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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:17 PM
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According to the Zogby poll, Bush is turning into a poison pill...
...for his party on all major topics except Terror:

<snip>

President's Job Approval-Specific Areas
Approve Disapprove
Iraq War 39 61
Jobs/ Economy 37 62
Social Security
/Medicare 33 63
Education 37 60
Environment 32 61
War on Terror 54 45
Taxes 44 54
Foreign Policy 40 56

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=971

The democrats just need to keep the pressure on accountability for these issues. Bush can't blame his predecessors any longer.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:18 PM
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1. you forgot
gay rights and abortion, which trump all of those.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:25 PM
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9. Must be from a different poll, this was released Feb 27, 2005....
...unless I missed those figures somewhere. Do you have them?
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:03 PM
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25. I just meant
no one seems to care about all those other issues when they are in a voting booth. Well, not 51% of us anyways.

I don't know what polls on abortion would look like. A majority supported a woman's right to choose at one time, but I haven't seen a poll on that in years. Gay marriage would only be supported by 30-40% if I had to guess.
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rukkyg Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:25 PM
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10. yeah
where's "moral values"
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:19 PM
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2. considering he didn't really win the election, this time either, I'm not
surprised.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:21 PM
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3. Wooohooooo, People are actually fucking getting it.....Let's take out
Delay while the take down is hot! Keep after em! NEVER SURRENDER!
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:31 PM
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17. Maybe some folks are figuring out that hating gays and Barbra...
Steisand ain't gonna help pay the rent or the mortgage or the tuition bills or the insurance premium.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:44 PM
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34. We'll see....something has to wake them up... maybe pain will do. n/t
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:21 PM
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4. And his BIG win on his BIG issue
terror, is only by nine percent. The Dems win in the double digits on many issues!
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:21 PM
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5. My word!
Gotta love those numbers! That's bee-yoo-tee-ful! :bounce:
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:23 PM
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6. Taxes 44 54 ::: Are these people retarded or what?
Then again, something that stupid, well, that is an insult to retarded people...
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:24 PM
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7. We need to turn people against all politicians. Paint them all with the
Bush brush. Get rid of them all and start over again.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:33 PM
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20. It doesn't work that way
It's like with public schools. You can get a poll that says all public schools are awful. But when you ask about THEIR public school, it's great. Politicians are the same. It's never THEIR guy, which is why incumbents win. All your suggestion would do is cause people not to vote and it's usually low income people who respond to that rhetoric, which is the vote we need to win.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:25 PM
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8. Doesn't matter much to Shrub
what his approval rate is now. Look for him to start
"caring" again sometime around September 11, 2008.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:26 PM
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11. but, wait, I thought that he had a Mandate??? I guess the American People
are just fickle, 'eh? :shrug:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:30 PM
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16. No his mandate is from God
the people are just irrelevant decoration for his public events.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:13 AM
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42. I thought Jeff Gannon was his man date. n/t
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jdots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:28 PM
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12. oh no he will become a martyr now
Saint George the Turd Maggot is a snappy title.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:28 PM
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13. How can he be ahead on the war on terror
and behind in foreign policy and the war in Iraq. That's weird.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:29 PM
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14. What are you talking about - he's a popular Wartime President!!
At least that's what Tim Russert keeps saying...
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:30 PM
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15. Apparently more Americans are "faith based" not "reality based."
Have you ever talked to a Bushie about real issues? They seem to agree with me on many real concerns, yet they "like" Bush and feel good about his "leadership." Somehow there is a disconnect. The neocons have won the fear based emotional battle. How go we combat that?
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:33 PM
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31. Disturbing is that I am finding this very true among females.
How can they trust this SOB. Women always back Democrats by large numbers.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:07 AM
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55. I have a female friend like this as well.
She agreed with Kerry on most issues, but voted for weasel boy because she felt safer from evildoers with him "in charge." She claimed Kerry never convinced her he'd keep us safer than the wanker-in-chief. I still don't get it. :shrug:
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 01:57 PM
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56. .
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:31 PM
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18. Anyone smell terror alerts coming?
Everytime I hear bad news for Dubya in the news it makes me leery and I start seeing every "war on terror" article as another cynical ploy to divert attention.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:41 PM
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33. What were the terror alert colors again?
I can't imagine anyone being able to hold a straight face when Condi, Rummy, and Karen come out saying that we are in eminent danger within 45 minutes by who? Syrians? Iranians? Venezuelans?

Then the Great Bush affirms the seriousness of this "threat(s)".

We've killed too many innocents already including over 1,500 of our own troops. No more.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 04:12 AM
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39. HOCUS-POTUS by the weekend if not sooner
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:33 PM
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19. Thats great but its a little late
Bush is a poison pill for all of America, the hope is it isn't terminal.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:36 PM
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22. Well popular opinion could render the shrub politically impetent...
...for the next four years and totally send the republican party into disarray. That may be a price that would be worth paying for the country to get our government back.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:29 PM
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30. If the Democrats get a house of Congress next year it could...
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 11:30 PM by PROGRESSIVE1
end Bush ability to do anything except be a "place keeping" till 2008,
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:34 PM
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21. I smell them I do
Terror terror everywhere around us.

:kick:

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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 01:28 AM
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38. Did you hear about the Pentagon anthrax attack today?
This was mentioned on the CNN radio news.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:43 PM
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23. If other polls support this, do we expect another domestic terraist attack
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 11:10 PM by Nothing Without Hope
If the Wah on Terra (TM) is the only thing that boosts the blivet**'s ratings and thus the oomph with which congressmen can be pressured to keep in line, this does not bode well for domestic tranquility. That they did it before I have no doubt - LIHOP at the least on 9/11. What will they do this time when the fear of ravening hordes of gays tryiing to --oh, the horra of it! -- marry each other is no longer enough to blind the nation to what the criminals in the White House are doing?

Very scary thought.

Found at AllHatNoCattle.net today:
(edited to add: note that THIS flight suit model is strategically sock-stuffed, too)
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:48 PM
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24. I don't know about recent other polls, can anyone post to see...
..what they show?
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:15 AM
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36. That's a great pic.
Your eta had me laughing out loud. :7
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:06 PM
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26. Don't get excited yet... Dems need to capitalize on this.
It's one thing to dislike someone. It's another thing to actually like their opponent. I've heard a lot of conservatives complain about the Republicans, but they don't like the Democrats either. We need to make sure we have positions on the issues, and that they actually get out there. This is how we convert political "raw materials" into finished goods... our candidates in office and our goals realized.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:14 PM
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27. How you gonna capitalize on this without some backbone transplants
for major Dems, Reid and Boxer seems to set a good example and even Kerry too now that he is running for 2008 (no f'in way John, your done). But who else bats more than .200 in this weak lineup?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:16 PM
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28. I'm not attacking anyone.
I'm just saying we need to insure that we work to actually turn this in our favor instead of assuming these numbers actually put us ahead.

I'd like to see Kerry run again. I'm happy with the job he's doing now.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:28 AM
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37. Yes, this is an opportunity, not a guarantee
But I am bewildered about the leadership strength we seem to lack as Dems. So I am attacking much of the current crew for being appeasers and overcautious on so many questions that it reflects on the people's views on the so-called most important issue: terra. We won't fight Bush on every question he is wrong on. The only one putting some lumps on Bush lately is the governor a state with less than a million people. And a former gov of small state. Anyone else?
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:28 PM
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29. OH he has such a "huge" mandate on the War On Terror.
NOT!!!!

:eyes:

How the HELL did this it get "reelected"?
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:35 PM
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32. They made Kerry look worse
That and guns, God, and gays.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 11:55 PM
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35. WAy to cower the idiots on "terror"..
Ignore warnings pertaining to 9/11(thousands of US citizens killed)..keep the "terror alerts" polictical and start a war in Iraq with tens of thousands of innocents dead and this makes you "strong on terror".

In a pig's fucking eye!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:32 AM
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43. Think the poll question shows "We are terrified of Bush" because his
foreign policy numbers are pretty bad..yet Terror is his only high number. What if that means when asked people interpret it as fear of Bush? :scared:


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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:48 AM
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40. Who cares about popularity when you have Diebold machines? nt
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 07:59 AM
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41. Here it is, keep on hammering , bring that # of 61% against the Iraq War..
Higher, say like 69 to 73% and * won't be able do shit except focus on it (that's a recipe for an even bigger disaster with all them irresponsible republican folks in office) at any rate I think they are running out of ideas (even bad ones) :toast:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 09:17 AM
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49. Glad to see you have an opinion
Sharing is sometimes a forgotten art, but it's okay, i can understand :hi:

(snip)
How to Talk About Your Feelings

Once you know who you can talk with, you'll want to pick a time and place to talk. Does it need to be private, or can you talk with your brother and sister in the room? If you think you'll have trouble saying what's on your mind, write it down on a piece of paper. If the person doesn't understand what you mean right away, try explaining it a different way or give an example of what's concerning you. Is there something you think could be done to make things better? If so, say it.

Some kids - just like some adults - are more private than others. That means some people will feel more shy about sharing their feelings. A kid doesn't have to share every feeling he or she has, but it is important to share feelings when a kid needs help. You don't have to solve every problem on your own. Sometimes you need help. And if you do, talking about your feelings can be the first step toward getting it.

Reviewed by: Richard S. Kingsley, MD
Date reviewed: December 2004
(snip)
http://kidshealth.org/kid/feeling/thought/talk_feelings.html
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:36 AM
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45. WTF,over 60 PERCENT disapprove on Iraq and economics...
Yet this FOOL was re-elected??? Granted November was a while back but what the HELL people??!?!??
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:41 AM
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46. Nothing new about these numbers
I think these numbers reflect exactly how people felt before the election and so they voted against the man. Too bad he cheated
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:49 AM
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48. You have a good point,November wasn't that long ago.....
Along with CNN changing exit poll numbers for Ohio at 2:00 am. Something as usual STINKS about this election.

Thanks for fighting the results John.....
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 08:47 AM
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47. Jesus. Do you realize that according to those polls, Bush's 2nd
term is owed to 9/11? Because he was able to capitalize on America's fears, the conservatives shut-out the fact that he was incompetent in every other way?
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:25 AM
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50. I love these numbers....but they're meaningless unless...
...people start speaking out and protesting. Many people do protest and speak out--but they are a tiny fraction of this 61 percent who disapprove of Bush's handling of Iraq.

Where is this 61 percent?

These poll numbers are abysmal. They are so low--they're laughable.

What percentage of Americans opposed Vietnam, during the height of Anti-War movement? I would assume the Vietnam disapproval numbers are similar to these current Iraq disapproval numbers. Why isn't there a protest movement that accurately reflects these numbers?

I guess this is a great weekend for the big protests. Maybe this demonstration against this disgusting pResident will help others to come out of the closet and admit that * is an utter failure and a disgrace to this country.

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:26 AM
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51. I am not much for remembering important dates but...........
this one sounds sounds like something to think about

March 19: The World Says End the War!

Global Exchange
March 12th, 2005

Saturday, March 19 marks the two-year anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and people throughout the world are planning to raise our voices as clearly and powerfully as possible to say that the Iraq war was wrong, and it needs to end NOW.

Two years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, the country continues to bleed and suffer. The death toll on all sides is mounting, with some 1,500 U.S. troops and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed so far. The U.S. military, rather than solving Iraq's problems, is, in fact, the source of many of the problems. And, the cost of the war is soaring, with more than $150 billion being spent on war that could otherwise be used to create jobs, relieve poverty, and improve health and education, both in Iraq and the United States.

Meanwhile, no weapons of mass destruction were ever found in Iraq, nor were there any links discovered between Saddam Hussein and the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. The Iraqi military clearly did not even have the ability to defend its own capital, much less the strength to attack the U.S. or its neighbors. American military planners were scandalously unprepared to deal with governing Iraq, and U.S. relations with the rest of the world remain unsteady. This was an unjust and unnecessary war, one that needlessly took the lives of tens of thousands of innocent people.

There are so many reasons why we need to speak out on March 19 - to send a message to Iraqis and the world community that not everyone in the United States supports endless war and aggression against the rest of the world; to make sure the United States government doesn't apply its Iraq approach to Iran, Syria, or North Korea; and to insist that the military occupation of Iraq, which has gone on for two years already and has resulted in the loss of so many lives, has got to end
(snip)
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=9478
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:28 AM
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52. Anthrax, Schmanthrax.....
Bid Laden Trail goes cold!!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7185592/
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 10:33 AM
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53. WHY do people still give him high marks on terror? He has
completely fucked everything up. :shrug:
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Number_6 Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:03 AM
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54. No, he was not re-elected
By Occam's Razor, and by all the evidence in the
Election 2004 forum, the simpler explanation is that
poll numbers like these reflect the thoughts of a
random sample of what's-left-of-America. And that
the voters in Nov. were comprised of a similar
sample. And that they threw out the clown. But
the clown has supporters who own voting machine
companies and the source code is "proprietary" and
these things are Black Boxes. And the results do
not reflect the will of the people. But the people
are kept in a state of cognitive dissonance by
TV and the like, a lot more confused than Ukrainian
people. In terms of whether the election could have
been messed with.
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