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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:14 PM
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Here are the 13 Democrats who voted for cloture on the Bankruptcy Bill.
Biden
Byrd
Carper
Conrad
Johnson
Kohl
Landrieu
Lieberman
Lincoln
Nelson-FL
Nelson-NE
Salazar
Stabenow

Shame on them all.

We need to find primary opposition for all of them.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:20 PM
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1. Damn Salazar! Damn him! I sent that fricker money
during the election. What a sleazeball. I've already written him one letter regarding his vote on Condi, Gonzolez & the tort bill. Do you think I've received even an acknowledgement from him or his office? Hell no. Asshole.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 07:23 PM
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49. I sent him money and also asked people to donate at my blog.
What a disappointment.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:22 PM
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2. A vote for cloture is not an automatic vote for the underlying bill, altho
it often corresponds to a vote for the underlying bill.

Let's see how they vote on passage for this egregious bill whose benefits are vastly skewed to banks and credit card companies.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:54 PM
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26. So?
Who cares whether they vote for the bill or not now? We know - and more importantly, they know - that the pukes have the votes to pass the bill. By letting it come to a vote (i.e., voting for cloture), they're as guilty of passing the bill as anybody who actually votes for the bill.

One of my senators is on that list. She will hear from me in no uncertain terms.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:59 PM
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30. You make a good point. The Dems ought to have filibustered this bill.
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 06:03 PM by flpoljunkie
We can only ponder why they did not. Perhaps their criticism is largely for show, as we do have the 40 votes necessary to block cloture--and yet the vote was 69-31.

Link to cloture vote: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00029


Those Dems, plus Jeffords, voting NO:

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Wyden (D-OR)
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 12:43 AM
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40. no pondering needed... they're all ASSHOLES. well, most.
There is no 2 party system, There is no 2 party system, There is no 2 party system, There is no 2 party system, There is no 2 party system, There is no 2 party system.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 01:23 AM
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45. Thanks for the list
of both. I wish we could get rid of the DINO's next year. I know this is a long shot but did any republicans vote "no"? I know I know. Crazy asking.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:22 PM
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3. The usual suspects.............
some, like Landrieu and Lieberman, are DINOs in my opinion.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:22 PM
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4. Get real
Are you in Michigan? Whether you are or you aren't, give me one name of someone in the Democratic party who would run against Stabenow in the primary..........

A realistic call to action would be to urge everyone to call these Senators and let them know we are unhappy with this vote. Demand answers.

Your suggestion is knee-jerk and unrealistic (as most emotional reactions are).

Julie
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:24 PM
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6. They are Republicans to me now.
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x_y_no Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:24 PM
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5. I'm pretty upset with Nelson-FL
I really believed he'd stand up for the right thing here. :-(
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:26 PM
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7. Did all other Dems oppose cloture? How about Chaffee and Jeffords?
Do you have the link?
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:29 PM
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8. Here's the link:
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 04:30 PM by MikeG
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:30 PM
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9. Thank you.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:55 PM
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27. Chaffee needs to go.
There have probably been many Dems voting for him in the past. Hopefully, they will wake up and help us pick up a Senate seat.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 01:02 AM
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42. For Rhode Island, we could get somebody more liberal
Chaffee is basically the equivalent of a moderate dem. We could easily get a very liberal dem in there from Rhode Island.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 01:24 AM
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46. Not surprised by the republicans
*sigh* So depressing. I wish one of them would stand up. But that's just a crazy dream.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:35 PM
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10. several of them are 6 years out ...
way past when anyone will remember this.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:37 PM
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11. This one will last a long time.
It affect real people in a big way.

One million file bankruptcy each year.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:38 PM
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12. i know it sucks and i wish they hadn't voted cloture on this but ...
no one is going to remember a cloture vote on this.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:39 PM
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13. The same ones will vote for it.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:45 PM
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14. Not if we can try and get to them
first. Everyone, please contact these DINOs ASAP and advise them that we ain't all too happy with them. Tell them specifically why, don't get emotional or angry. Otherwise, they won't listen.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:47 PM
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15. Cloture is how you kill a bill w/o anyone knowing.
They have been bought and paid for.
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clovis29 Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 07:20 PM
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48. Maybe we can remind them later? nt
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:52 PM
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16. "...Consumer Protection Act"
What the hell do they say they are protecting?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:55 PM
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17. They're protecting the consumers
from receiving any form of consideration as to the circumstances of their financial troubles, be it illness, job loss, divorce, etc. Gotta keep those poor, deprived. ever-greedier mega-corporations in business somehow.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 04:58 PM
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18. Kinda reminds you of Dubya's "Clear Skies" and "Healthy Forests" bills!
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 05:27 PM by flpoljunkie
Their modus operandi-misname their bills. It shows the depths of their cynicism.
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LTRS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:22 PM
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19. I think I have pretty much had it with the democratic party
Edited on Tue Mar-08-05 05:23 PM by LTRS
There is no party discipline; and we have a bunch of bought and paid for pols in our ranks. On top of that, the rest are cowards who talk the talk sometimes, but never walk the walk.

I'm just so fed up with all of them. Screw 'em.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:24 PM
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20. Fuck 'em all..
Goddamned whores!!!!

:grr:
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:25 PM
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21. Byrd's the only real surprise on that list
What the Hell was he thinking?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:28 PM
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22. I think Byrd may be ready to vote this bill up or down. Down, I hope.
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:37 PM
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23. For all Byrd's good votes on war and civil rights...
...he has always sided with the moneyed interests.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:50 PM
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24. This will be one bill we'll remember the vote on.
Shame on the ones who will vote for
this.

Pay off your credit cards, tear em up.
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:53 PM
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25. HOLD ON A SEC,
Biden, Carper, Nelson (NE) & Johnson voted against most of the Dem-sponsored amendments (damn sell-outs!!!), but the other 9 on that list consistently voted "YES". Wait until the vote to see what happens --

Also, kudos to Diane Feinstein!! She voted for the bill in the Finance Committee but announced she will not vote for the final bill (she said Repubs violated understanding that they would "work together" to make it a better bill). Maybe the calls and letters people sent her had an impact.....

Anybody know when the bill will come up for a final vote???
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 06:11 PM
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32. No date specified on either the Senate site or Thomas.
I'll keep watching, and also watch in the Legislative forum.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:58 PM
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28. Votes for cloture ususally equate with YEA votes-- who
in this list is persuadable?

Byrd and Salazar, maybe?

I think we need to put serious pressure on the ones that are most likely to be persuaded--especially those up for re-election. Just found this site on a quick Google and it looks helpful:

http://www.modernvertebrate.com/elections/2006-national/
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 05:58 PM
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29. Kohl is up for reelection in 2006 n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 06:04 PM
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31. Is he vulnerable to Democratic pressure, DINO, or ???
Will outside of WI pressure help him come to the light?
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:07 PM
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34. don't know
he hasn't been very high-profile lately--I'm sure I'll find out more later on.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:40 PM
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36. Discussing with a Conservative yesterday, he says no
Kohl looked solid to him, but the Dem Governor looked vunerable.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:46 PM
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38. Kohl is a odd dude
I'm fairly new to WI and was doing some tabling at the Madison Farmers Market last summer when this odd guy was standing next to me handing out fliers...he was dressed in really crappy clothes (looked like a Racetrack Charlie), kind of smelled and was a bit timid.

I asked him to move from the table a couple of times when he would brush up against it and make shit fall off. Then someone said..."Wow, that Senator Kohl!"

I was dumbfounded. He was a US Senator?
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Still_Loves_John Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 06:47 PM
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33. Yeah, that Byrd
Why, he's practically a Republican. It's disgusting.

--and excerpt from The Big Book of Things that Go Wrong When We Boil Down A Politician's Entire Career to One Vote.
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RUMPLEMINTZ Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:20 PM
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35. Can someone tell me
why when the Democrats are running for re-election they try to move to the "middle?" What the hell do they think? Do they think the repugs are going to vote for them? Why are they trying to piss us off? What bullshit!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 10:41 PM
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37. Lieberman/Landrieu 2008!
First they have to become actual Repugs...then they can run for the GOP.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-08-05 11:30 PM
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39. Salazar.
Meet my newly elected Democrat senator. So far, I think he's doing great. Not.
Remind me again, he was different from Peter Coors, how?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 12:59 AM
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41. Caucus vote, also, give Salazar a chance
He's just starting to get his feet wet, he hasn't really had time to establish himself as much of anything yet.

I have a feeling that as Colorado becomes progressively more blue, Salazar will become more liberal.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-05 09:26 PM
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50. The Gonzales ass kiss
ddin't sit well with me either.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 01:03 AM
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51. Look, I grew up on the east coast in the 1970's and I know from liberal
Edited on Sat Mar-12-05 01:04 AM by mountainvue
Democrat. I also lived in Colorado under Gary Hart and Pat Schroeder and Dick Lamm and Roy Romer. This is bullshit and we need to let Kenny know that. I voted for Miles in the primary and I'd work to get him elected again.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 01:04 AM
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43. Surprisingly absent from that list: Evan Bayh
Looks like he is planning his 2008 run already by trying to get liberal support.
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 01:09 AM
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44. Can I please point out the folly of this post?
The poster says we should find primary opponents to defeat all of the Democrats who voted for this bill. But wouldn't it be far EASIER to defeat a few incumbent REPUBLICANS, and therefore give Democrats control of the Senate?

After all, if the Democrats were in control of the Senate, this bill would have ZERO chance of passage. We wouldn't have to rely on high stakes parliamentary tactics like the filibuster.

Isn't it amazing how DU'ers seem much more enthusiastic about defeating wayward Democrats than right-wing Republicans? It makes me wonder how many of them really want to become the majority party again.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-09-05 07:13 PM
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47. Oh, but then the caucus wouldn't be pure
Just because we'd control all of the committee chairs, just because Pat Leahy would be allowed to block any Bush judicial nominee that he wanted with the snap of his fingers, just because Ted Kennedy would control the education committee, just because Harry Reid would be allowed to block any Bush proposal from reaching the floor that he wanted to, just because it makes sense, doesn't mean that we should do it. Instead, we should have a group of about 10 Senators who agree with the DU ideology. Because it's better to have 10 Senators who can complain about the Bush agenda as opposed to 51 Senators who can actually do something about it.

/sarcasm
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