I come in peace to offer a olive branch

[Democrats unite]

1st I will say I have been very critical of Dean, due to knee jerk reactions from what allot has been posted.

I will cease and desist, if we all do it together. I have always said I would vote for Dean if he were the Democratic Nominee, I just won't support him in the primaries (reason being, there are three other people I happen to like better).

We all get hot under the collar at times & that is understandable, we just need to learn how to control it.

I will be more than glad to debate here as long as it is constructive & factual information not just heresy.

I am sincere on what I just wrote, is anybody with me? Or did I just waste a thread?

We all due have one true goal here and that is to put a Democrat in the White House in 2004!

[RetroLounge]

1. Yeah, whatever.

a little late, wouldn't you say?

[BurtWorm]

3. Better late than never.

:shrug:

[Democrats unite]

6. it's a little late for allot of us, but...

You can accept it or not. The choice is yours.

[youngred]

24. at least they're trying to change

more than can be said for some....

[indigo32]

2. This has always been my policy

your embrace of it is happilly accepted.

[chiburb]

4. Ya know, everything you write is fine...except:

"I will cease and desist, if we all do it together. "

Why don't you just do it? Why do you have to be a jerk because others are? Why do you have to become what you hate?

Disclosure: undecided, in no hurry to decide, ABB.

[pdx_prog]

5. The Primary process

has never failed us. The candidate that is the best for the job, and is the most "electable" to win is chosen 90% of the time. The people pick the candidate.....these are the same people that vote in the GE too. We must pull for our candidate in the Primary, but stand behind the chosen one in the end for our cause.

[NashVegas]

7. Talk is Cheap

Olive branches don't mean much when they're not backed up by action.

[eissa]

8. ABB here

I feel the same way; it's the reason I started a thread to Kerry supporters. I'd like to see my guy, but if not, I will talk up whomever our candidate is.

[FreeperSlayer]

12. Stay the course: ABB!

Bush out!

[lefty_mcduff]

9. Yep. Count me in.

Dems 'eating their young' has got to stop. Taking back the 'peopl'es house' should be the only focus.

[Ramsey]

10. A nice offer

Thanks for it.

I can certainly agree to your terms. All along I have tried to avoid bashing any other candidate or his supporters on this board.

Having said that, the past 2 days have been very very hard, and I have defended Dean and his supporters a number of times from highly vitriolic attacks. I have not ever started a thread unfairly critical of another candidate or his supporters, nor will I.

I loathe the infighting. Some of what passes for discourse lately resembles our collective disgust with the Bush administration, only directed at our own candidates. It wastes time and denigrates the functionality of this forum.

All in favor of factual and constructive debate!


(Edited for typo)

[DoveTurnedHawk]

11. After FranklyFrank's Thread, I'm Laying Off Dean for a While Too

I have greater appreciation now for the concept of Dean as "All-Star Lead Blocker" for the entire Democratic party.

DTH

[WilliamPitt]

13. Can I get that link?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

15. Sure Will, Here You Go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=160285

DTH

[edzontar]

14. Do whatever you want, but do it for yourself

No personal offense intended--but I have been reading your recent threads while I was timed out despite a succesful appeal (software, i think), and they have almost to a one been hurtful and opportunistic attacks against my candidate.

My advice: If you want to be positive now, just do it, and don't condition it on someone else's approval.

There are plenty of good reasons not to post attack threads that have nothing to do with what other people are, or are not doing.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

16. Good Advice

I'm not conditioning my own "Dean attack" moratorium on anything.

DTH

[On the Road]

17. Thanks for the Olive Branch

We all need to hang together in the general.

[Democrats unite]

18. My apologies for being sincere...

It is appearent some here won't abide by anything I say. I meant what I said, but be rest assured if provoked, I will respond. I came in peace but will...

[indigo32]

19. Hey ya got one "Yeah Whatever"

and alot of basic agreement. Why the concern?

[LuminousX]

20. The key, the thing that prevents us from accepting your offer

is you want everyone to do it with you. That is great, except I, no one, can speak for everyone. So, while I do agree with you, if I say 'absolutely, let's do it' and tomorrow someone says something belligerent and callous towards Clark, you call the truce off and we are back at square one. Meanwhile, I still haven't violated the agreement.

I don't like oaths or crap like that here. They are faily meaningless in the long run, but I will tell you that I will not start a negative thread against Clark. That doesn't mean I won't post a negative comment about Clark, but I will not start a thread. I will not disrupt positive Clark threads with negative remarks (i.e. Clark gets an endorsement and Clark supporters wish to celebrate, I won't post in the thread how the endorser is a loser.) I will do this without asking you to do anything. I will attempt to lead by example.

I make this promise to all the other candidate supporters out there as well. And again, I don't expect any of you to change your behavior one iota.

[Democrats unite]

21. Thats not what I meant...

I would like all to do it, I know that is unrealistc. But if I see the majority do it, then yes. The less we get doing it the more they will just simply disappear.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

22. I Think They're Saying Just Do It, Don't Just Talk About It "If" (eom)

DTH

[chiburb]

25. See # 4.... n/t

.

[JNelson6563]

27. I don't think your offer is being rebuffed

I think it is the conditions attached to it that cause some skepticism, coupled with the offensive (ok highly offensive) tone of many of your posts.

Many agree with your point we need to not beat up on each other. I suspect many will take your offer much more seriously (as you appear to mean it IMO) if you follow through now.

There will be posts you won't like about your candidate. There will be about all who remain. None of us can claim "I will only be nice if everyone else is nice too" and expect it to be taken too seriously since we KNOW that, as surely as the sun will rise tomorrow, someone will be critical of our candidate. That would be like me, in the getting-hammered-hard north of Michigan, saying I will vote Republican if it doesn't snow anymore. ;-)

It will be what we choose to do when criticisms happen that will reveal all of our true intentions on this civility matter.

I've had a lot of success with knowing smiles and clicking out of irritating threads myself. Something else may work for you.

Julie

[cally]

23. Just do it

We get nowhere from trashing other Dems. I will support you but I don't think you need a consensus. We have to act like leaders and just keep our eyes on the goal. Defeating Bush and restoring basic human values.

[library_max]

26. Good for you.

Don't sweat the negative responses. Some people are touchy right now, and with very good reason. But you've got the right approach. Patience and perseverence are great virtues.

[NoPasaran]

28. Fine

I don't think I've trashed any candidates here but if I have I apologize and will sin no more.

I thought it was silly (though I must admit pleasant) to have Dean considered a shoo-in before any votes were cast.

Likewise it is ridiculous to write us off when only a few voters have been heard from. This is a marathon, not a sprint and I think we have the resources and the dedication to go the distance.

However the primaries turn out though, come November LET'S GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!

[Meldread]

29. I'm with you. :)

Okay, so I never really posted an attack in the first place. (I've done my best to stay out of it.) However, I support you and am glad you are turning around.

We cannot divide ourselves from within. We are all Democrats. We are all Americans (okay -- not all but most). We cannot cut each other down; we should do our best to prevent our candidates doing it to each other as well. It's about the issues, the facts, not character assassination.

When we support things -- such as the media's spin on Dean's speech -- we are walking right into Karl Roves arms. They are laughing at us, and Chimpy is sitting in the Oval Office smirking as he watches the news.

We have honorable men (and even an honorable woman before she left to endorse Dean) running for President. They each have their good and bad qualities. However, each of them is an improvement over Bush. (Even Joe Lieberman, even though the improvement wouldn't be that great.)

We cannot continue this bickering -- we are only shooting ourselves in the foot. Do we want to send a beleaguered, badly beaten, and ripped-to-shreds candidate into the General Election? Things are just going to get Uglier, but let the Republicans do the attacks. Let them show their true colors, but Democrats must stand united.

United we stand divided we fall. It isn't about who win's the nomination. It's about taking America back. We can't do that if our guy is already dead before the General Election even starts.

I support you, and I encourage others to join you. It'll be a hard promise to keep, but one worth keeping.

[Walt Starr]

30. Ooookay, now that Dean has been down and kicked thoroughly

time to pull out those olive branches.

Fool me once and all that.

[dsc]

31. I hope that you decide to do this

Though I can't speak for every single Dean supporter I think most of us have tried to stay on this issues.