delete --

[cthrumatrix]

for the sake of dean supporters I have deleted.

[cthrumatrix]

1. this "would become the story"...put the media on the defensive and

can be used to site example after example of how the media is not a "truth teller" for the people....

* coverage of Iraq truths out there...not shared

* coverage of "lobbyist in politics - not shared"

* ther are sooo many examples....

This could be a huge campaign issue.

[bearfartinthewoods]

33. no...it would make him sound like nixon in the "cloth coat' speech

does anyone remember that anymore? trying to put off your mistakes onto the media didn't work for quayle, hart, poppy, dukakis etc.

tell me one time when this ploy worked?

[JustJoe]

36. It happened once on the 12th

of never.

[HFishbine]

2. One more thing

"Thank you for giving me the this time. Yeaaaahhh!"

Okay, just kidding. You are correct. That would be a deft way of handling it. There may even be better more recent examples of the things the media ignored though, esecially things ignored while they were covering "the scream." Bush's request for $40B more for Iraq might be good.

[cthrumatrix]

3. it would put the media in "trouble" and him on the offensive

[molly]

4. Better yet - he should apologize

that would catch everyone off guard.

[cthrumatrix]

6. definitely...... changed

[Skip Intro]

10. Completely Disagree

Fill in the blank, "I'd like to apologize for _________ ."

There is nothing for him to apologize for.

[Guaranteed]

25. That would be odd....for sure...

That's an interesting idea. I think apologizing might make a point, in a rather sarcastic way.

[HereSince1628]

27. If Dean makes a deal of it, it damn sure will be

If I were advising Dean I'd let it rest until someone criticizes it.

Then I would suggest taking ownership of it, even joke about it.
Laughter is a hell of a foile, especially when you are laughing at yourself.

[Guaranteed]

32. I kind of like apologizing for it.

That would be his own little jab at the media...Try making fun of THEM, for a change.

[HereSince1628]

38. Deflecting media by shucking it off with a laugh is ok by me

Dean supporters might take on the yell in a "I scream for Dean" sort of spirit at rally's.

Maybe Dean could use it in phrases like...

"Clark was paid $800,000 to lobby for a software company seeking to get a contract to help John Ashsroft to invade your privacy... to which I say, 'YEWWWWW!' Take back America!"

But I wouldn't apologize for something that wasn't wrong.

I'm not looking for a candidate with all the courage of a citizen of Lake Wobegon. We have a majority leader like that already, and look where its gotten us.

[bearfartinthewoods]

46. but if i were dean, i'd never forget how clark mocked him on this either.

[INTELBYTES]

5. I think I getting ready to change my candidate.

Although I think Clark is the best, my second choice has always been Dean. Since Clark doesn't even appeare to be placing in the polls, I'd rather see Dean than Kerry become the candidate. It's still a while before the Texas primaries, but as you pointed out, the media is being very unfair to Dean. He will probably get my vote when he comes to Texas.

[cthrumatrix]

7. IF he can get over this hurdle -- he can do it

[BootinUp]

8. Welcome and inevitably...good-bye

funny...don't remember you advocating for Clark before. :)

[INTELBYTES]

13. Check my other threads.

If you have seen me around before, you would have know that I've always carried the Clark avitar.

[gulliver]

9. Watch the debate tonight first.

I'm betting Clark cleans up.

[HFishbine]

12. That's nice. Thank you.

More than nice though, by the time we get to Texas it may be wise.

[JustJoe]

11. Start blaming the media for your problems,

youre finished. I'd go with a straight explanation
of what happened, like Trippi did on the blog that
somebody just posted. Dont blame the frigging media!

[cthrumatrix]

16. LISTEN...the media is going to gore Dean first and others later- wake up

[JustJoe]

20. Wake up yourself --

Just because it is the media at work doesnt mean
you can go whine about it. That's what Nixon did,
remember? The people themselves saw the speech
and had a strong reaction. Did you read what Trippi
wrote about it on the blog?

[cthrumatrix]

21. they can decide what and how to say it... but being meek is not

going to change the media

and no I haven't read it...i will

[JustJoe]

24. Who said be meek?

Telling the truth of what happened is not meek.
Let me know what you think when you read it.

[cthrumatrix]

29. I read it...it doesn't address what happens from here?

He needs a "statement" he needs a comeback of truth...he needs to re-establish his "persona" ....

The media can spin this anyway they want...the Dr. will have the microphone and the people will hear the truth in his voice.

[cthrumatrix]

26. I read it -- Trippi blames the media... and so do I...so what is your

point...?

Nixon was a crook covering...I think the comaparison is not the same.

My point is, Dean needs to fight back...I think those words (modified) would resonate with the people and put us on a new direction of offense...not meek and mild Dr. Dean.

Thanks for your comments

[JustJoe]

35. Youre right, he does mention the media & I wd leave

that part out. I would say the gist of this...

Trippi:

Here’s the real story on Monday night – the one the press still hasn’t told.

I’ve been around campaigns for a long time. On most campaigns, if you come in third in Iowa with 18% and you go to the after party, you’re lucky to find 4 people there. Most every one by the time it’s over has left to find another party and another campaign.

But on Monday night Howard Dean walked in to the ballroom in Des Moines and there were 3500 people there. And the energy was higher than most victory parties I’ve been to.

The Governor looked out at the room and saw 3500 people who had come from all across the country because they believed in changing their country and he wanted them to know how proud he was of them and their efforts. And he wanted them to know that we’re going on no matter what.

He wasn’t thinking about the cameras. It was the people right in front of him who had done so much because they believe in a better America that he was speaking to.

[cthrumatrix]

37. I'm not sure...he doens't know where he was at? That could be spun

[JustJoe]

41. I dont read him saying

he doesnt know where he was at.
The "not thinking about the cameras," you mean?
To me that just means he wasnt being phony,
wasnt playing to the cameras, but was concerned
with the people who had given so much for him
& needed bracing up. I think he can say that &
that wd touch peoples hearts. That's how he got
to the top in the first place--on feeling,
honest feeling. The media angle,
I've just seen that go sour every time. It
doesnt matter if its true---which it IS--it just
wont work with those people out there who wonder
what he was doing that night. He should just tell
them what was going on, simple and straightforward,
from the heart, while everybody's watching.

[sybylla]

14. Excellent idea

best one I've heard all morning.

Dean's campaign has done well in the past dealing with attacks from opponents. I would hope that they will be just a masterful in dealing with attacks from the media.

I decided this morning that CNN has chosen to become the new National Enquirer rather than purveyor of the news. Last time I will ever watch that whore factory.

[Cuban_Liberal]

15. Rule #1 of politics:

Never start and argument with someone who owns a printing press (so to speak). You'll never win.

[cthrumatrix]

18. well....ou rmedia is soo corrupt they are selling us up a river

Dean has already said this on tweety's show....

He has to reach the people...the media will screw him from this point on

[JustJoe]

22. Exactly.

Never whine about the media.
It's the death knell.

[HFishbine]

23. Whining? No. Speaking the truth? Yes.

We loved it when Kucinich did it.

[JustJoe]

31. That was different, if I recall.

That wasnt DK whining about what the media
were doing to *him,* was it. If Dean gets on
there & goes, "It's the media's fault," average
joe is going to go, "No, I saw you & you were pretty
hopped up, and that wasnt the media, that was you."

But if Dean puts it in the context of what happened
in that place that night, the 3500 supporters, him
wanting to cheer them up--read what Trippi said--
that wd start turning it around. My view: don't
blame the media.

[Cuban_Liberal]

40. K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple, stupid)

Trippi's explanation is short and makes complete sense, and it will 'ring true' with ordinary Americans. I would suggest that Dr. Dean go with it, rather than blaming the media. If he uses Trippi's explanation, most folks will buy it and move on. :)

[JustJoe]

42. Amen.

Man, I hope he does it, because everybody will
be watching that debate for one big main reason--
to see what he (and the others) are going to say
about that pep talk. From the heart, Howard!

[Indiana Democrat]

39. Kucinich never had a chance.

Like Sharpton, he can say anything he wants because he can't possibly harm non-existant chances.

[quinnox]

17. Maybe it will help, but let's face it Dean has been crucified in the media

over this. I can't count how many times I have heard or seen that Dean yell over the last couple days. I don't know how Dean can fix this one, or if it is even possible.

[cthrumatrix]

19. he can only win on the offensive vs. all the others...with truth

[Indiana Democrat]

28. You want him to blame a media conspiracy??

Are you trying to help him or hurt him?

Godd God...

[cthrumatrix]

30. No... but, how does he get out of this mess.? has one perosn shared how?

[Guaranteed]

44. He has to make a joke out of it.

Make a joke out of the joke. This is stupid...it's schoolyard politics.

[sybylla]

34. there's a difference between conspiracy and whoredom

It's not like the media will stop crucifying him if he says nothing. Dean really has nothing to lose by responding appropriately.


IMHO, nothing in the original suggestion sounds to me like whining. But maybe that's because I don't have a horse in this race yet except ABB.

[JustJoe]

43. Even tho I disagreed

I wish you hadnt deleted your post.
You started an important thread.

[maddezmom]

45. it's reposted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=162932