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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:23 PM
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Speaking ill of the dead (Hunter Thompson)
I find this by Stephen Schwartz in The Weekly Standard especially tasteless and lacking in class -- even for a Republican. And that's saying a lot.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/274xgjeb.asp

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Indeed, it would be one thing to say that Thompson and the others like him, such as Burroughs and Ginsberg, are dated. Even embarrassingly old-fashioned artistic works, bereft of immediacy for those who are not part of the environment from which they emerged, have the capacity for revival. But Thompson produced a clamor without content. Doubtlessly, the most pathetic aspect of the '60s phenomenon was the absolute conviction of Thompson and those who encouraged him that "living in the moment" really did count more than anything else in the world, that history never existed and that the future was their property.

His enablers included lefty journalist Warren Hinckle III, who first published Thompson's experiments in incoherent "reportage" in a forgotten magazine called Scanlan's, and pop huckster Jann S. Wenner, the grand ayatollah of Rolling Stone, a tabloid which began as a pop music paper, then tried to make itself over as a serious journal, and is now read by . . . who? For some commentators, the greatest compliment paid to Thompson was the incorporation of a dishonest, heartless figure modeled on him, and named Uncle Duke (after Raoul Duke, the narrator of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas) into Doonesbury. But that strip is generally known for its tone of dishonesty and heartlessness, and, like the writings of Thompson, seems extremely dated, increasingly unread, and finally irrelevant in its mean-spiritedness.

Thompson, as I can say from personal witness, was not flattered by the Doonesbury valentine. "I don't steal from his stuff, do I?"
Thompson grunted in a bar one afternoon in San Francisco. For him, imitation, or caricature, was the least sincere form of flattery, and in his bilious reaction there might have resided a microscopic element of self-awareness. He may well have understood that the drugs, gunfire, motorcycle mishaps, public rantings, and widespread adulation in which he was immersed were evanescent, and that his books were too thin to keep his memory alive for very long.

One must imagine that in his own middle '60s Hunter Thompson looked into the mirror and saw that nobody needed a gonzo interpretation of the world after September 11, that nobody was amused by his capacity to survive fatal doses of sinister concoctions, and that, increasingly, nobody knew or cared who he was.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:25 PM
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1. No asshole...what we need is more Jeff Gannons!!!@
I hope this MOFO burns in Hell!
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:26 PM
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2. This piece has one lesson in it, children
And that lesson is...

No one will give a fuck when Stephen Schwartz takes his last shit and shuffles off this mortal coil.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:31 PM
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3. Exfrickingactly
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:32 PM
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6. Hell, I don't give a fuck NOW
Moran.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 06:00 PM
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12. Precisely
I don't care what he has to say now.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 06:28 PM
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14. Nobody knows irrelevance better than Stephen whosits.
"Write what you know", the right wing hack thought as he pondered the meaning of irrelevance.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:31 PM
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4. Sleazy Bastard...
The Good Doctor would eat his spleen!!!

RIP, Doc!
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:31 PM
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5. Yes. And Simon and Schuster has ordered a new press run of F&L-LV
Edited on Wed Feb-23-05 05:35 PM by Richardo
Because the interest in that "thin book" is through the freakin roof since his death.

Idiot.


From amazon.com:
Ffear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S. Thompson

Paperback: 224 pages
Publisher: Vintage; 2nd edition (May 12, 1998)
ISBN: 0679785892
Product Dimensions: 8.1 x 5.2 x 0.6 inches
Shipping Weight: 8.2 ounces. (View shipping rates and policies)
Average Customer Review: based on 321 reviews. (Write a review)
Amazon.com Sales Rank in Books: #15
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:32 PM
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7. I started a thread on this article in the "Editorials" section
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:34 PM
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8. Again
name another book from teh '72 campaign that is still in print and you might begin to have a point, Stevie. However, there ain't no such animal. Apparently, Hunter is still viable.

Oh, and Burroughs? Later editions of his books are far larger run than his early editions. Ginsburg, same. I don't see Stevie writing anything that impacts a generation such as Howl:

I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by
madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at
dawn looking for an angry fix,
angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient
heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the
machinery of night,
who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high
sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of
cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities
contemplating jazz,
who bared their brains to Heaven under the El and
saw Mohammedan angels staggering on tene-
ment roofs illuminated,
who passed through universities with radiant cool
eyes hallucinating Arkansas and Blake-light tragedy
among the scholars of war,
who were expelled from the academies for crazy &
publishing obscene odes on the windows of the skull,
who cowered in unshaven rooms in underwear, burn-
ing their money in wastebaskets and listening
to the Terror through the wall,
who got busted in their pubic beards returning through
Laredo with a belt of marijuana for New York,
who ate fire in paint hotels or drank turpentine in
Paradise Alley, death, or purgatoried their torsos night after night
with dreams, with drugs, with waking nightmares, al-
cohol and cock and endless balls,
incomparable blind; streets of shuddering cloud....

--more--

https://notes.utk.edu/bio/greenberg.nsf/0/6f7dd8b9270db5c585256d0d001e0a93?OpenDocument
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:36 PM
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9. Will people be writing about Stephen Schwartz
debating the pro and con after he passes? Thompson is legend, Schwartz is a Schwartz.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:44 PM
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10. Who is Stephan Schwartz?
And why should I care what he thinks?
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 05:52 PM
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11. Respond to him!!! Here's what I wrote:
Your pathetic and wretched mind seems to have interpereted creativity and truth as senselessness. This makes sense, though...it is a common error made by those who live with their minds and souls cowering in fear of being judged themselves by others. Hence, people like you only spew forth bitterness at those who are not afraid of creating something totally unique.


Serves him right. He ought to be more mature than what he was acting like.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 06:19 PM
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13. Excellent!
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-23-05 07:08 PM
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15. where is this goof?
i noticed the local media, all a buncha bush loving whores, ignored the good Doctor's demise, even during regular news....and it was the prevalance of pigfat *holes like this freak in the mass media which almost certainly was the straw/camel's back that drove Hunter to say 'fukkit' (if the nazipoos didn't murder him(?)....Hunter despised Geebush, he despised everything that geebush represents, and remember Gary Webb, James Hatfield, Margie Schoedinger, Paul Wellstone, Mel Carnahan, John Kennedy Jr, the people on flight 587, the 3000 victims of sept 11th, 100 thousand Iraqis, 1500 American soldiers etc)
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