John McCain One of Them

[erpowers]

It is official John McCain is a neo-con. He called for permanent military bases in Afghanistan.

[IrateCitizen]

1. John McCain has ALWAYS been an uber-hawk

This is not surprising in the least. Those who believe him to be a moderate have been utterly fooling themselves.

But I will say that although he is a conservative Republican, he is at least one that has some integrity. And that alone sets him apart from the neocons, who by and large have none.

[No Exit]

4. ... and a wimp, to boot.

He never held Junior and Karl to account for the hatchet-job they did on his military record in 2000, when he himself was running against the Fortunate Son.

And McCain was one of the "Keating Five". How soon we forget.

[Justitia]

11. Keating Five - no kidding - one of the biggest looters of the US Treasury

in other words, a fucking bank robber.

And WE are paying back the $$$ THEY stole.

Largest financial scandal in US history, and to think some people hold him in high esteem. They are clueless.

[DinahMoeHum]

13. McCain got off on a technicality, if you ask me.

:evilfrown:

[No Exit]

19. Right up there with Neil Bush!

Financial looting and criminal "business enterprises" are, after all, the Bush Crime Family's stock-in-trade. Which makes John McCain an honorary Bushie (just like Bandar!)

[PsN2Wind]

5. "one that has SOME integrity"

Some can mean quite a bit or almost none. In this case I believe it's almost none.

[IrateCitizen]

18. I still give him credit for fighting for CFR...

That one stance he took, in opposition to his party, gives him at least a modicum of credibility and integrity in my book.

However, he IS a conservative Republican, and it's folly to expect him not to ACT like one....

[dandrhesse]

9. amen to that, I was one of them until I looked up his record, what a joke!

[springhill]

17. Hell, Hillary is one of them..........

Along with a lot of other "one of thems."

[ClassWarrior]

2. John McCain is a cartoon. A buffoon. A sick joke.

He has NO integrity. He gives Bush** daily blowjobs, even though the Bush Crime Family trashed him, his wife, and his child. What a fucking coward McCain is!!

NGU.

[FreedomAngel82]

20. I think he is a coward too

I found out about what happened to him in 2000 and all I know he did was confront Bush and say it was wrong thing to do on some talk show or whatever during the primaries. Of course Bush just sat there looking like a proud idiot. I wish someone would run against Bush and pull the same b.s. on him and fight back on his family. So, what they're Bush's. Who gives a crap. That family has so much dirt on them. And I still think Poppy was involved in Kennedy. :grr:

[Padraig18]

3. John McCain has ALWAYS been one of them!

That's why the sheer idiocy of people promoting him as a Kerry VP choice last summer was so infuriating! For those readers who are still confused, I'll spell it out: JOHN MCCAIN IS A FUCKING REPUBLICAN SHILL!

[Donna Zen]

31. Don't forget "He's a sell out"

McCain of all people should be concerned with the way that bush has used and abused the military, but instead he cowers before the throne. Disgusting.

There are well founded rumors that Kerry was considering a republican for SoD. Who? McCain.

A sell out.

[DemoTex]

6. McCain's support and vote for Alberto Gonzales was the icing on the cake.

Or maybe it was the cake and this is the icing. However, you would think that a man who was putatively tortured as a P.O.W. in a Hanoi prison would be loath to validate the torture policies of the Bu$h regime. Nor can I understand how a person who has seen and experienced war, as John McCain has, support a war waged on the flimsiest of reasons with little or no diplomacy to seek other alternatives to that war. But then again, maybe McCain and Gonzales consider the Nuremberg Indictments quaint too.

[calimary]

16. For me the icing was his pussy behavior in response to the bush attacks

on him via his family.

The rovians engineered a smear in South Carolina, after he'd beaten bush in New Hampshire. They realized they had to nip his campaign in the bud immediately if bush was to win. So they started a rumor campaign, calling people in telephone push polls, and morning shock jocks on radio stations and planting the seeds of a truly ICKY rumor - "would you vote for John McCain if you knew that he'd fathered a black child out of wedlock?"

NOTE HERE: how a filthy flat-out LIE can be turned into a perceived truth MERELY by presenting it as a question, not a statement. The listener's or reader's mind then puts two and two together the way you want them to, once you've used this manipulative trick to lead them to your version of four.

People got those phone calls all over the state in advance of the big primary there. And the morning radio jocks were of course doing their part. It POISONED THE WELL against McCain. POISONING THE WELL is something WE, TOO, need - repeat - NEED to do against them, BTW. By the time their seeds had been planted and taken root (because people, deep down, LOVE dirty gossip, and dirty campaigns and dirty campaign ads - much as they protest they do not. Otherwise, why would the "National Enquirer" and "The Star" and "The Globe" be such consistently big sellers? So John McCain's presidential campaign was irreparably derailed.

So what does McCain do? NOTHING. This was not just an attack on his character and credibility. It was also an attack on his wife, their marriage, and their INNOCENT, NON-COMBATANT - ADOPTED daughter who was from Bangladesh, and thus did have dark skin. And again - what did McCain do? NOTHING. He didn't fight for THEIR honor. He didn't slam the bush campaign for dragging his wife and child into the mud while they were busy trying to fuck him over. He said NOTHING. He did NOTHING. He offered NO OBJECTION and NO PROTEST, and expressed NO OUTRAGE.

If I were his wife, and he hadn't stood up for me, or AT LEAST defended our daughter's honor, I would not be his wife anymore. If he wasn't man enough to stand up for me and our child when we were being publicly trashed for no reason whatsoever, so some sniveling, spoiled snot-nose with a bigtime last name could grab the brass ring, he certainly wouldn't be man enough for me. And I wouldn't hesitate to make my feelings public.

THAT is why John McCain is DIRT to me. LOWER than dirt. And I doubt he can ever recover in my mind, especially since he's had all this time to do something about it - and hasn't. Last time we saw him, in fact, he was hugging and kissing the same snot-nose who profited handsomely by the public shaming and evisceration of his wife and daughter. John McCain is a walking, talking, living, breathing disgrace. Lower than dirt.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. I wonder how his wife

feels about all this. I know if I was his wife I'd feel the same exact way as you. I wouldn't understand it. Why wouldn't he stand up for two people he obviously clearly loves?

[calimary]

24. No kidding.

I'm a wife. I'm a mom. I'm also an adoptee. This just pushes a bajillion buttons in me. I think about her all the time and wonder what she thinks, how badly she hurts over that, and what her daughter might know (after all, think of all the fights your parents had that you overheard - or even tried to listen in on). Besides, my dad was the kind of guy who really stood up for me. He had to go read the riot act to one of my teachers at school one time, and man, did he EVER! My dad was a lot of things, but he NEVER would have let ANY attack on me stand unchallenged. I think about that every time I'm reminded of John McCain. Some day his daughter may want to know about that, too, and she has every right to confront him about it. WHY didn't he stand up - at the very least - for her? I suppose you could argue that, regarding his wife, well, she's a big girl. She's an adult. She was certainly attacked for other things - financial and drug-related. She married him, she knew who/what he was (a politician), and she knew what she was getting into. And I could be wrong about this, but I think I remember that she's his second wife. Even so, he could have, and should have, stood up for her. It would have been the elegant, gentlemanly thing to do, and he would have gotten more women's votes. It might even have fended off the rovians' smear attack. Whatever.

But to remain silent while that smear hit his daughter, too?

UNCONSCIONABLE.

[FreedomAngel82]

21. I don't get it either

I'm always wondering what in the world could he do staying on Bush's side for things like this. Like DemoTex said: McCain knows all about torture. He knows people can't get information using torture because it would be useless. Only thing I can think of is people in the neocon group would totally destory him if he and others don't file and rank. *sigh* I'd rather do the good deed instead of worrying about a political career.

[murray hill farm]

7. His voice of reason...

was long ago bought and sold to the highest bidder.

[peacetalksforall]

8. McCain is no political hero to our country.

Military = poppies for profit?

Just wondering.

Poppy Land before the Taliban. Poppy Land after the Taliban. The U.S. decides to live in Poppy Land.

[IronLionZion]

10. So you'd rather have the Taliban?

:shrug:

Yeah drugs are bad, but the Taliban was worse IMO.

[EVDebs]

This is strange, but Bush PAID the Taliban to suppress Heroin-growing

you may find that article hard to find but it's out there.

[peacetalksforall]

25. I can't say yes or no because we've been fed too many lies.....if the

Taliban were good enough for us to invite to this country to cut a business deal with them and if they were good enough to talk to about trashing the poppy fields, and if we and they are now good enough to let the poppy fields flourish again, BUT they were BAAADDD people because they (supposedly )let bin Laden train terrorists in a country they were ruling, AND now they are good enough to stay out of the picture and let us co-run things, including a drug trade....what's to believe?

I'm beginning to disbelieve everything we'be been told about the role of bin Laden. He appears to be a partner with PNAC, therefore isn't the Taliban a partner with PNAC?

Bottom line...I don't believe anyone anymore. Their DISREALITY game is working...THOUGH...their version of reality is to have me believe their version of reality. It's not working.

[adigal]

12. John McCain supports torture

with his vote for Alberto Gonzales. I called his office and told them I was writing an article about him supporting torture for my site, and I also emailed him asking him why he supports torture.

His name should forever by synonymous with torture.

[EVDebs]

14. Read his quote in Bob Herbert's column !

The Republicans' bizarre parallel universe
Bob Herbert NYT

http://www.iht.com/articles/537205.html

"Ten or twenty years"...Sounds great to me ! Let's ask our troops what they think about that...Permanent bases are shown in a map Christian Science Monitor put out awhile back; I posted it somewhere on DU but it was already out of date--new secret bases are already going up !

The guys in service now will only be coming home on twoweek leaves for annual service over there; it will continue that way until enlistments pick up.

[Davis_X_Machina]

15. McCain is just Orrin Hatch 2.0....

...a new release, with the improved charisma chip, and the optional hero biography module, but still the same basic code.

[ragin_acadian]

32. ha! good one.

i don't know if you can call it the "optional" hero biography module, none of the other current republicans took that option! they all cowered stateside, including rumsfeld.

[noonwitch]

23. Of course he is. Although, a base in Afganistan is not a bad idea.

From the US point of view. A permanent base could spur economic development in that area, as locals will want to participate in businesses that serve the US military. It will also help prevent a return of the Taliban to power.

I fully support our military involvement in Afganistan. That's where bin Laden was plotting 9-11 from. On top of that, the nation is poor, undeveloped and women were being treated worse than chattel under the Taliban. With our military's presence comes economic and educational opportunities for the people there.

I do think the war in Iraq was wrong, but I do want a successful outcome there, too. Not to make Bush look good, but to bring our soldiers home alive and soon.

[Larkspur]

27. You mean like spurring the economy with prostitution and drug addiction

Afghanistan is not Europe.

[noonwitch]

29. Actually, I was thinking more like McDonalds and Target

although with Bush in office, it would more likely be WalMart than Target.

Also, like any other region of the world, I'm sure Afganistan has local art, clothing, etc., that could find a market with soldiers and western visitors to the area. They need something to jump start their economic development and this could be part of it.

[leftofthedial]

26. well . . . duh!

he's the kindly grandfather face on the neotheocon death cult.

[Tinoire]

28. McCain has ALWAYS been a neocon

No ifs, ands or buts about it. He's one of those trojan horses certain "conservative Dems" want to foist on the Democratic Party read up on McCain during the previous elections- he's always been the man backed by the neo-cons. Bush didn't pick up support from the neo-cons until he picked Halliburton Cheney as a running mate- up until that point, they'd all been backing McCain.

But yes, you're right- he's one of them. Makes you wonder about all the people who wanted him as Kerry's running mate and kept swearing up and down about how progressive he is :eyes:

[Rambis]

30. He has a black baby

and is mentally unstable because he was tortured in Vietnam. Now he sits in the lap of the guy that smeared him. Go figure:wtf:

[Illinois_Dem]

33. John McCain is a waste of protoplasm and an oxygen thief.

He has always been a neocon.