Demzilla Devours Dean (from Washinton Prowler

[candy331]

Is anyone familiar with this paper, can they be believed? Has the shaft of Dean started?


Former DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe left a few surprises for incoming DNC chair Howie Dean. Perhaps the biggest was McAuliffe's decision to give to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) full access to the DNC's donor database known as "Demzilla."

McAuliffe didn't consult with Dean or any of Dean's advisers in giving the two congressional campaign committees access to the list. For years, the RNC has given its party's House and Senate campaign committees access to its version of the data base, but that's partly because both committees help finance the list and its upkeep. Neither Democratic committee will be paying the DNC a dime for what many on Capitol Hill consider a huge windfall to the DCCC and the DSCC.

Dean was not happy when he learned of McAuliffe's decision. "He was pissed," says a former Dean campaign staffer, now at the DNC. "Demzilla is one of the few tools the DNC had that it can leverage for fundraising. The money we raise would then be used to help support Democratic candidates and the party operations. Now everyone has the same list, the same data. The DNC has no chit to play."

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www.spectator.org/dsp_article

[jean]

1. my money will go only to Dean - simple as that

[LittleClarkie]

2. Why are you linking articles from the American Spectator?

I promised myself I'd never go over there again. Now I have to go wash my eyeballs. Do you have any idea what a tedious process washing ones eyeballs can be?

I'm just sayin'.

[Guaranteed]

3. McAuliffe- you're a fucking BITCH.

Sorry, NSMA. :P

[mandyky]

6. Good riddance McAwful!

They only got the list that existed pre Dean take over, I hope. I just signed up this week, so I hope they missed me.

[LittleClarkie]

8. I want another source, one that isn't so Right wingnut

This could so easily be disinformation meant to be divisive.

As Dr. Dean himself said, I will not respond to blind quotes.

I didn't like this tactic during the campaign either. "An anonymous source close to the campaign said..."

[w13rd0]

4. consider the source

n't

[LittleClarkie]

7. I guess the answer to the OP's question should be answered

NO IT IS NOT A CREDIBLE PAPER.

This is about as far right as it gets. They're in line with Rush, Ann Coutier and the Smear vets. Ick. Ick. Ick.

[Pirate Smile]

5. This is from a RW rag. Do NOT take the bait.

Believe this only if you believed the ad that was on the same page yesterday - the one that tells you AARP hates US soldiers and loves gay marriage.

[Guaranteed]

9. McAuliffe should tell us he didn't do this, then. nt

[mistertrickster]

10. Who the hell cares? That was the list loser McAuliffe compiled.

Dean will build a list five times as big.

Out with the old. In with the new.

[Guaranteed]

11. Welp, here's another source:

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/021705/demzilla.html

Outgoing Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman Terry McAuliffe has given the House and Senate political committees access to “Demzilla,” the massive computer voter database that has brought the DNC closer to information parity with the Republicans.
The sharing of Demzilla could mark the beginning of a new regime of information-sharing among Democratic political committees that have long competed with each other to reach a limited donor universe.
Patrick G. Ryan
Outgoing Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman Terry McAuliffe


Democratic strategists said Demzilla will have a much greater impact on the party’s congressional fortunes than McAuliffe’s other 11th-hour bequest: the transfer of $1 million to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC).
The new DNC chairman, former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, said last week that he was aware, and fully supportive, of giving the committees access to Demzilla. Both Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.), chairman of the DCCC, and Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), chairman of the DSCC, pleaded with McAuliffe to share the file, according to aides.

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So, apparently Dean SUPPORTS this. What a good guy he is! :)

[candy331]

13. Thanks BGL for the article, some us haven't been around politics

as long as others and don't recognize all the rw shills yet, that is why I asked? OK calm down folks I asked.

[Guaranteed]

14. The AS article isn't made up, but it is RW spin. nt

[madfloridian]

12. Spectator, trying to divide us.

From all I have seen and heard, this database should have been available all along.

The Spectator is as bad as NewsMax.

[LittleClarkie]

15. Agreed

and thank you.

I can't believe folks aren't considering the source. American Spectator (shudder!)

[NAO]

16. Spectator is far right wing propaganda outlet

They have a hugely funded think tank and Republican propaganda machine to help them crank out articles to further the right wing takeover of America.

I would view their articles with extreme suspicion and also look for deliberately constructed frames which make Dems look bad.

[LittleClarkie]

17. Indeed, the author has no name

the sources aren't named. No accountability.

[Carmerian]

18. Remember, folks

The American Spectator is a Scaife-funded rag, and the one that launched the radical rights' get-Clinton crusade in the early 1990's. Whatever you find in their pages is likely calculated psyops.

[LittleClarkie]

21. I remember a commercial during the campaign

where they were giving away Smear Vet books with each order of Rush, Courier and other hate-mongering crap.

[crispini]

19. Yawn. Hell, *I've* got Demzilla access.

Dunno where they're coming from on this, but EVERY party officer should have access to this AND BETTER data.

[zulchzulu]

20. Ewwww... List Wars...

One of the things I've learned about Dem lists over a couple election cycles old are how shitty the data is as well as outdated and 40% useless most of it is.

The whole thing that needs to happen is to create new lists and update the old ones with a hatchet.

As long as the most hard-core grassroots people who have survvied more than a couple elections share their lists and grow from there, it's all good.

To somehow think that Dean is to a disadvantage because he might be sharing old, outdated and somewhat erroneous lists is pure folly.

Demzilla is an old fat dog that needs to be brought into an autopsy and save what is valuable. Then build from there...

[kodi]

22. pretty funny actually. this is the big leagues dr. dean. get used to it.

macauliffe made sure that dean would take over a position that had less influence than usual.

while the well dr. dean now peers into is not dry, it is a bit more muddy than he thought it would be.

[madfloridian]

24. Not funny to me that someone would be happy about possible problems.

This Spectator article is being used to wedge,though, I believe.

Don't forget Dean has back up and his own files if need be.

I believe Dr. Dean will play quite well in the "big leagues." I am so glad you seem supportive (a wee bit of sarcasm there.)

Read the The Hill article posted above, a much fairer one.

Get used to the fact that things are changing in the DNC. If they mess him up really, there other things to do. I doubt that will happen, I really do. I think most Democrats realize change is needed, and also needed is someone like Dean who takes the attacks and keeps on fighting back.

Hate to see anyone happy over dissension.

[kodi]

25. no offense taken. i support dean, but he go snookered

if he can't laugh at recognizing he had a fast one pulled on him then he is as humorless as his antagonists say.

did he really think that these folks were just going to hand him the keys to the DNC filing cabinets and say "go get 'em buckaroo"?

and no, admittedly dean has not played well in the big leagues. he folded down the stretch in the 2004 primary campaigns and got cut to ribbons by his more experienced opponents who attacked him with less venom than we should expect from the GOP over the next few years.

game on, boy. if dean is pissed that the mcauliffe wing is fragmenting financial control of the DNC then he fails to understand that he is actually the one who necessitated it.

and isn't his goal of defuse power sharing why he wanted the job in the first place?

the act of giving the congressional delegation access to the DNC donor list makes the individual politician more responsive to the donors and activists than to the party itself. it allows the politician to bypass the party structure and tap grass roots money.

and what the hell else does dean want?

[madfloridian]

26. Did you read The Hill article?

Did you?

It says Dean was not pissed at all, he approved of it, and he is a team player in his new job. The staffer was not named. And from what I have heard privately since inquiring the Spectator is BS bigtime.

You fell for the spin.

[DaveinMD]

28. I've heard from Dean people I know that McAuliffe screwed Dean

It shows how astute Dean is to not go public with this. McAuliffe is an ass and Dean will go down in history as a great Party Chair. He'll survive this.

[madfloridian]

29. I think you are wrong. I think this is meant to divide.

It is really a shame.

[DaveinMD]

30. My sources aren't media ones

they are Dean sources. It doesn't really matter. Dean will overcome.

Its funny, we used to disagree when I defended the likes of McAuliffe. Now I'm saying I was wrong and you still disagree with me. :-)

[DaveinMD]

23. this is just the tip of the iceburg

McAuliffe screwed Dean when he left. He's an ass. I was wrong to defend him on this site all this time.

By the way, McAuliffe owns a huge share of the company that developed this software.

[Carolab]

27. I have a solution. Donate only when asked by Dean and the DNC.

Also, donate to DFA.