In light of Gannon, it is time to re-visit the pretzel incident.

[DemoTex]

The "pretzel" story (Jan. 14, 2002 - see link) was an obvious cover-up. I have always thought that Bu$h got drunk and fell (or something like that). Now, in light of the Gannon story, I am more suspicious of some late-night White House hanky-spanky with Gannon or a Gannon-like character. I hope the bloggers investigating Gannon will look back at the pretzel caper.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/14/bush.fainting/

[lostnfound]

1. I think you are reading way too much into a bruise

which could have thousands of perfectly normal causes. Bumped into a cabinet door, tripped over a footstool, anything.

[neweurope]

4. But maybe not... this Gannon thing seems important enough

to not forget one possible aspect. Funny, I have thought about the pretzel thing today, too.

And I've always wondered why Cheney seems to have power over Bush... Bush DOES seem to be at least bisexual. Was Gannon put on him? I'm sure that many things we discuss here are ridiculous and very far off. But that's what brainstorming is all about. Filtering comes last.


---------------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[pbartch]

30. IF.............if any sexual scandal hits Bush.....Christians will leave

quick. They won't support a SEX crazed George Bush.

I know my church would not.

[AntiCoup2K4]

37. Not ANY sexual scandal.

So far they have excused cocaine, alcoholism, drunk driving, draft dodging, desertion, lying about war, and gross negligence (at best) in failure to prevent 9-11. So I don't believe a Lewinsky scenario would harm Dumbass in the least.

Unless the "Lewinsky" were male, that is.

Homophobia is one thing that the right wing base can always be counted on for. Not that I really believe JimmyJeff or JeffyJim or whatever his name is was blowing the monkey boy, but there is always Victor Ashe.

[TruthIsAll]

88. I flashed back to Pretzelgate today also.

It's all cumming together, rather like ashe from a spent gannon....

[DenverDem]

6. Then why did they LIE about it?

If it WAS a "normal" cause.

There is NOTHING normal about the busholini crime cabal.

[Merlot]

9. Then why the stupid "pretzel" excuse?

Why not just say the prez bumped into a cabinet door, etc? Instead, we get this weird story of choking on a pretzel.

I don't know what the answer is to this, but I'm pretty sure the pretzel story was a cover-up of something. It's just to weird.

[FreedomAngel82]

65. I think so too

I mean who would be that stupid? :shrug: I remember my mother told me about that and I, of course, died laughing. He does seem kinda clumsy (I myself am) but a pretzel? :shrug: I wonder what the cover up is....

[HysteryDiagnosis]

11. Bumped into some WMD under a table in the Roval Office.... eom.

[Vektor]

79. Maybe he got pistol whipped

trying to rob a liquor store wearing Laura's pantyhose on his head.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

83. ..fell into Laura's fist...

[dpbrown]

86. It's not a bruise....it's rugburn on his face

Ride 'em Gannon! Yippee!

[Catherine Vincent]

94. !

:-) :spank:

[AntiCoup2K4]

2. So you're saying Junior likes it rough?

**runs off to :puke:after the visualization of Junior and JimmyJeff....**

[tx_dem41]

3. You've got to be kidding. n/t

[DenverDem]

7. busholini has had a gay relationship with Victor Ashe since Yale.

No, we are not kidding.

[tx_dem41]

12. So, if he's gay...

that's a bad thing? There are many other incidents to cite his hypocrisy on. I wonder why so many are getting in a lather on this one.

[DenverDem]

13. Because his moran "base" would not be able to handle it.

Sure, you and I could care less if he was bi or not, just don't be a hypocrite about it.

Can you imagine the cognitive dissonance that would ensue in the talibornagain cults if the truth of the polysexual nature of this administration's leaders and functionaries came to light?

Blowing up Iraqi kids does not resonate with xians, those kids are just godless Muslim subhumans. But if the homophobic millions got a good look at their supposedly saintly demigogue getting gleefully roughed up by a stud for hire, that would break through their willfull ignorance fairly effectively.

[tx_dem41]

18. So all gays have to come out of the closet to make you happy? n/t

[havocmom]

28. No. But when private life can make public life a tool due to blackmail,

and the security of the nation can be jeopardized by forces unseen, not voted for and unknown, then it is an issue of national importance.

Is it OK for national policy to be at the mercy of someone who 'has the goods' on electable front-men? If the issue was financial chicanery, wouldn't we need to know? If the issue was (and it may well be) one of substance abuse, wouldn't it be important? If the issue was membership is some religious cult, would it matter? Face it, if the proclaimed leader of the free world could be blackmailed, it is important and needs to be addressed. It is not about sexual orientation. It is about lying and what gets done to keep those lies buried. THAT is the issue.

[DenverDem]

35. No, just ones that cynically use homophobia to gain power.

As I mentioned before, it's not the gayness it's the HYPOCRICY, along with the damage done to gay people by this demagogic administration.

[FreedomAngel82]

66. It's like with the Cheney's as well

They're big hypocrites as well. They go on about all their Christian base as well and then towards the end of the campaigning before the election Cheney's daughter goes out and campaign's to get the LGBT vote after all they've done to their community. :wtf: So if one of them is gay it's all hypocritical. Destorying rights for one community while being it themselves.

[Geek_Girl]

84. Pandering to the Homophobic Christian right is wrong

and if Bush is gay and he is outed may be that would stop the hateful ant-gay rhetoric on the GOP side.

And allow for a positive discussions on sexual diversity in our country. Maybe even the Christian Right will have to rethink there view on "values".

[stevedeshazer]

16. So you don't see this form of hypocrisy?

I don't care if he's gay. I really, really don't.

What I do care about is lying. It's really that simple.

[tx_dem41]

17. So all closeted gays are lying? n/t

[stevedeshazer]

20. How did you get there?

Of course not. Straw man.

Gannon/Guckert is lying, not all closeted gays. Geez.

[tx_dem41]

22. You were the one that talked about hypocrisy....

and then said in the next sentence he was lying. You might understand why I am confused since hypocrisy and lying go hand in hand to many.

I apologize if I couched your thoughts in the incorrect terms.

[stevedeshazer]

34. I think we agree after re-reading this

No apology needed. Gannon is lying, he's a hypocrite. On that, I'm sure we agree.

The confusing part to me was when you mentioned hypocrisy in post #12, 'cause that was what I was responding to.

Now, I see you seem to take issue with DemoTex's original post where he postulates that the pretzel story was a coverup for something else. I have to agree with him as far as that goes; the pretzel story is just not a very plausible explanation.

His conclusion that it may have been the result of "hanky-spanky" is a stretch in my opinion, but there are many reasons not to believe the official version of events as far as we've been told on this matter.

I don't think closeted gays are lying per se; there are many good reasons in this society to not admit you are gay, that's beyond question.

No offense intended. :toast:

[tx_dem41]

39. You're right! We do agree.

Nice to talk to you! :-)

[AntiCoup2K4]

27. Actually, yes they are.

Every closeted glb person is in fact lying about who they are. That's not to say their reasons for doing so aren't valid, at least from their perspective.

But that's beside the point. As it is with most things concerning the Bush Criminal Empire, the problem here is the HYPOCRISY.

The very people who want to ammend the Constitution to discriminate against homosexuals, turned out to have an ever growing number of closeted gays, lesbians, and at least one transgendered person (Ann Coulter) within the Fraudministration and their most rabid mouthpieces.

So the issue here isn't their sexual orientation, but the fact that they hypocritically spread fear and hatred against other queers in order to gain from it politically.

Imagine a black man in the KKK. Not likely, but not impossible either, as long as he never took his sheet off and wore gloves. Ward Connerly could probably pull it off. Or a Jew working for the Nazis in the 1930's.

How would that be any different than all these hateful homos in and around the Chimp Fraudministration?

[tx_dem41]

33. So, you say yes to my question.

Interesting.

[havocmom]

29. No. pResidents who claim to have been attacked by snack foods

to cover for something they dare not speak of are lying.

[tx_dem41]

36. And, your evidence....?

I'm kind of stupid this way, but I kind of like evidence before I go out and make a fool of myself.

[havocmom]

44. If the injury were something he could comfortably talk about, he would

have talked about it truthfully. The snack food attack followed by dogs nipping and fretting is pretty fay fetched. That injury does not look like a bump with the floor. I am not the only person in the world to notice that.

[tx_dem41]

45. So, if it wasn't that , then it obviously was some "hanky-spanky"

as the OP stated. And, with the whole Gannon/gay story it just makes it that much more plausible to the American people. Got ya. Thanks.

[havocmom]

25. Not a bad thing as far as liberals are concerned. But a black-mailable

thing his 'base' would not accept and therefore, dangerous. Who knows, who threatens = who is calling the shots!

We KNOW the nation is not being led by a democratically elected president. We should ferret out just who the real powers are because democracy does not survive in darkness and ignorance.

[nashville_brook]

40. "this" isn't actually *gay* --- any of you guys go to prep school?

or been in jail? or the zoo, for that matter?

this is dominance behavior.

this is power played out in sex. they don't identify as gay. they might not even identify what they do as sex. it's bullying in order to affirm alpha order.

[tinanator]

85. judge not

leave that to the professionals. The ones in the fundy churches who pray for the sick fuck to get his fascist way.

[Stryguy]

5. I like how he says his dogs were looking at him funny.

It's because the dogs know they are smarter than him.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

8. he made a strange comment

when he came out to show his wounds. didn't he say something like

"sorry i'm late, i was having a little quality time with the wife, if

you know what i mean."

a strange thing to say considering the circumstances. but that's typical

of the bushes... saying something irrelevant to the present context but

useful in covering up something else.

[Merlot]

10. depends on who he considers his "wife"

Didn't he use that phrase once about condi? It may be a phrase or "pet name" that he can use for whoever, we just jump to the first conclusion.

[AntiCoup2K4]

In fairness to the Half-assed Monkey Boy

He never referred to Condi as his wife, at least not in public.

However, she DID refer to the Chimp as "my husba....uh, the pResident". :evilgrin:

[FreedomAngel82]

67. When did she do that?

I wish I saw that. LOL.

[SpiralHawk]

15. So maybe Laura clocked him

"Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big
ones are kept secret by public incredulity." Marshall McLuhan

[nashville_brook]

42. it would take her two years to de-tox from her meds enough to throw a

punch. besides, girls don't go for the eyes. that looks like it was throw with a left, with the most impact happening closest to his nose and the force going outward to his ear. that's a MAN's punch.

[CAcyclist]

97. It doesn't look like a punch to me.

It's right over the cheekbone - the bony prominance of the face and while it could be due to a punch, it seems more likely that it's due to him hitting a flat surface. I think he fell off the wagon right onto the floor..

[coffeenap]

54. Spiralhawk--the quote explains EXACTLY why the repugs have

gotten away with everything they have done! Hidden in plain sight with just the right groups rallying around to keep them safe. Explain away the small stuff. DU knows better and we are closer than ever to exposing it to the nonbelievers.

[KittyWampus]

14. He Also Falls Off Bikes- Seizure Is More Likely. And Your Insinuation

is frankly assinine.

[DemoTex]

31. Your strong opinion notwithstanding, we are being lied to.

It is all about the lies.

[KittyWampus]

55. You Are Absolutely Right!

rock on!

[hippiechick]

19. Easy enough, anyone got Gannon's whereabouts that weekend?

:shrug:

[donsu]

21. first thing I thought of

I had been saying that there was domestic abuse in the W.H. but when this Gannon stuff came out I wondered if.

[tx_dem41]

23. I am possibly missing the point. Are you saying that gay sex...

is more prone to physical abuse?

[havocmom]

38. Some sex, regardless of genders involved can get very physical

Why do you insist on generalizing when this is a very specific incident we are discussing? There have been no posts which are indicative of any bias against gays in this thread. No one is making blanket generalizations about any activity, but you keep charging us with it. What is up with that?

We are discussing ONE incident, the explanation for which has never made a lot of sense, and speculating on the real causes of injuries incurred by the current occupant of the Oval Office. Since We The People are the actual owners of that office, we damn well have a legitimate interest in possible lies by the current resident.

Facts are that AKA Gannon has sites up which appeal to specific interests. I would guess they do not interest all gay men, just some who may be intrigued by what Gannon pretends to be. The image he portrayed seems to be of the 'rough and tough' variety. There are heterosexuals who like rough private activity too. So, what? The discussion is about the questionable explanation for pResidential injuries in light of recently verified news that a man with no real credentials was given access to the WH as a journalist. That man also has some web sites which he put up himself (nobody had to dig into his personal life and out him) which suggest he offers a specific type of activity.

The discussion is about whether any of it makes for a credible theory to explain the injuries of bush*. It is not about 'all gays' nor is it suggesting anything in general. It is specific.

Jeeze, a little focus on the actual subject would save a lot of confusion. :eyes:

[tx_dem41]

41. Jeeze, a little focus on some actual evidence would also save a...

lot of confusion. :eyes:

But, as long as the whole "gay angle" plays to the broad American public, by all means run with it. Principles be damned!

[havocmom]

46. Most of us are talking about lies and not the 'gay angle'

There does seem to be one poster obsessing on that. Who would that be?

The 'gay angle' is a card I have been waiting for Roveians to play since AKA Gannon's web sites got noticed by MSM.

I prefer my herring kippered

[tx_dem41]

47. Yes, by "hanky-spanky" in the OP, I'm sure that was implying lies...

and nothing about sex or sexuality. :eyes:

[havocmom]

49. Was talking SPECIFIC incident and various theories about why such

a far fetched explanation was given for it.

If rational dicussion by consenting adults in a public forum are so upsetting to you, perhaps you would be happier with a different subject and thread. We really are not here to make you unhappy. But we really are here.

[donsu]

101. you know I didn't

(I don't think smirk is gay I think he is bi

[nashville_brook]

24. someone left "more than an impression" nt

[Lars39]

26. I'd always thought it was his handlers

either making sure he knew who was really in charge, ie Cheney,
or persuading him to do something/attend some function, etc.

[havocmom]

43. Me too. Always guessed somebody had to remind him he wasn't really

the boss. He does have a history of difficulty with authority. And the anecdote about weaving slowly on a bike in from of his mom's car, preventing her from getting down the driveway... when he was twenty something speaks volumns. That would suggest he gets pretty petulant and tries to control through passive-aggressive means. I don't see Cheney OR Rove putting up with any BS from a spoiled brat who never accomplished anything in reality. Made sense that if bush* got a little too stubborn, he might just get clobbered. He seems unimpressed by subtle means. ;)

[Lars39]

48. Yep, the carrot approach probably wouldn't work.

I'd never heard the bike/driveway story before, that's so weird!
Can you imagine growing up near him? :scared:

[havocmom]

74. It came out when that wife of a former Bush family pal wrote her book

Cannot remember her name. Her husband was the trusted family pal who got the shrub into campaing work when he was in the Guard. Somebody help me out here, what is that lady's name?

[AntiCoup2K4]

89. Considering what they did to Reagan to keep him in line.....

...Junior got off easy.

[DU GrovelBot]

32. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##

==================
GROVELBOT.EXE v3.0
==================



This week is our first quarter 2005 fund drive. Democratic
Underground is a completely independent website. We depend almost entirely
on donations from our members to cover our costs. Thank you so much for
your support.

[thinkingwoman]

50. ignorance about bdsm fetish

ignorance about the bdsm fetish leads to suppositions like this one.

Remember that guckert/gannon bragged about not leaving marks, just impressions? It's a matter of pride in the bdsm subculture to be able to inflict pain for sexual pleasure WITHOUT leaving bruises. There are numerous published books and websites about it, not to mention a lot of face-to-face advice given freely in bdsm circles.

"Liking it rough" doesn't mean liking to have to answer questions from co-workers, family members, or strangers, and I think the temptation to link Bush's facial injuries to rough sex with a male prostitute is a temptation that should be resisted.

I think his frequent facial injuries and drooping left side of his face indicate a health problem. Nothing more or less than that.

How he likes his sex, and with whom, are another matter entirely.

[tx_dem41]

51. Another matter, that is quite frankly,

no one's business.

[thinkingwoman]

52. sex or health?

Are you saying his sexual escapades or his health issues are no one's business?

Just asking because I wasn't sure by your post.

I think the sex is nobody's business, for sure. I think the health may be or may not be, depending on whether it impairs his work or not.

[tx_dem41]

53. I was talking about the sexual aspect.

And, I wasn't attacking your post. Just adding my opinion to it.

[thinkingwoman]

56. thanks

I thought I understood correctly but hey, it's been one of those days. ;-)

And thanks, but I didn't think you were attacking me.

[FreedomAngel82]

69. Has he issued out his

latest physical test? Don't they do that? I thought I read somewhere on here that he issued out one he had but he hadn't this last one. :shrug: He was really late testing for it though wasn't he? Of course they said he was in fine shape except a few pounds added on from donuts and stuff from the road. Heh heh.

[thinkingwoman]

73. fine shape. ha.

yeah that's a good one.

You know, I don't think he has issued a summary for this last one that he finally made time for in December. Wonder why?

[neweurope]

57. But of course the sex life of this president matters. For numerous

reasons.
1) There once was some blue dress. If for no other reason I'd be interested in the sex life of THIS president! They even fed the blue-dress-story to us Europeans ad nauseam.
2) This administration is openly anti-gay. If a member of the administration is gay: it would matter VERY much considering how they make life for gays harder all the time!
3) If the president is living a lie: that would matter very much considering all that "moral" bull you all are being fed every day!
4) If the president has done anything which makes him a victim of blackmail: that would matter very much indeed! Others here have said it much better than I could. A blackmailed president wouldn't really be in power anymore, somebody else would be. That's against all principle.
5) If the president were gay it could be the means to topple him. The whole world would be grateful.

NOT speak about it/dig into it for POLITICAL CORRECTNESS? In THIS case? Come on. If he is a hypocrite - flush him out!

I'm sure NOBODY here is interested in Bush's sex life PER SE at all. But this happens to be the most powerful man in the world. A man who brings war and death and poverty. A man who lies. And THAT's why his sex life is interesting. Until we are assured that his sex life takes place with Pickles only. Those two can do whatever the hell they want. Choke on pretzels together for all I care.

-------------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[FreedomAngel82]

71. And don't forget

What happened with Clinton. They were ALL over his sex life! Remember that? Just to nail him? So this would please me greatley if there was something there. Because of what they did to Clinton. Clinton didn't cause wars all over the place, he didn't lie to go to war, he didn't put people in poverty, he wasn't being anti to a specific group of people and making their lives hell. All his base cares about is sex anyways. That's all they talk about when dealing with elections. Abortion and anti-gay rights. They don't care their fearless leader started wars based on lies and killed thousands of our men and women but also so many uncounted Iraqi's, they don't care people are out there without jobs for MONTHS, they don't care people lost their health care, their homes, having poor education. So the only way they'd ever open their eyes is if it's proven he's a hypocrite with sex and his "Christian values" in something they'd actually listen to. The only time one of them mentions Clinton is either with Monica or blaming him for something Bush did. They don't care about how good we had it in the 90's. Oh no. :grr: So if Bush is turning the White House into a gay sex place then sure we need to know. And Guckert was invited to invite only White House parties. I still wanna know how HE got in.

[zann725]

96. Good perspective, neweurope! Thank you.

n/t

[robbedvoter]

58. Agree. And we have more proof than say, swiftboaters or WMD proponents

I have been calling Gannon Pretzel lately and mentioning his 'top man" preference.

I also like to tie it in with G. Gordon Liddy's remark to a panting Tweety:
"Unlike Gore, W doesn't need a woman to show his masculinity"
And tie it in with the national security concern and remind people why New Jersey lost a good governor.

[tx_dem41]

59. So you have no problem using the fact that someone is gay as a..

weapon to be used against people? You don't find where that is insulting to gay people?

[robbedvoter]

60. No dear. I see it as poetic justice. You are advancing a RW point

not unlike the attack on Boxer as racism. here's bartcop making my day in pics:

[tx_dem41]

61. There are many DUers of good standing that are condemning

the recent gay-bashing on this forum. BTW, your last two pics from Bartcop aren't even Guckert. But, who cares about intellectual honesty and ethics anymore.

[robbedvoter]

76. Thanks for coming to challenge our ethics. No wonder you need

the good standing of others to justify your talking points.

[tx_dem41]

77. Hey, that was actually funny.

Thanks, and I mean that sincerely.

[robbedvoter]

80. You're welcome! :-)

[neweurope]

62. No I don't. Once more - you seem to not be reading our posts - it is

not about that man's possibly being gay. It is about this war criminal's possible lying. About the possibility that his inclination would mean blackmail which is a danger to everybody in your country. To everybody in the world, to be frank.

You seem to take this personal. I'm sorry about this. Let me say it again: It's not about gays. It's about BUSH and what he - or his handlers - are doing to this country and to the world!

And it's about the - even if vague - possibility TO GET RID OF HIM!

edit:
Forever the political left - not only in your country - has been NICER and more HUMANE than the political right. This is something to be proud of. But NOT to the point that we're sitting on our hands and letting war criminals run the world!

Just try to imagine what THEY would do if they smelled such a scandal on the Democrat's side? Oh no. Once more: I'm sorry if you take this personal. If you do, though, you should ask yourself why (it's none of our business, to be sure). This is a good community on DU. You MUST know that nobody here has anything against gays! If somebody should let his own possible problems cloud this issue he would not work in his own good interest. THIS ADMINISTRATION is openly anti-gay.


---------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[tx_dem41]

63. No, its about the legitimization of using the rumor that one is gay as ..

..a political weapon. If you are okay with that, have fun with it. Just promise me not to be proud about it.

[neweurope]

64. I just edited my post - read this too, please. And I'd never be PROUD.

I'd just be immensely relieved.

But even though I would not be proud I would not be ashamed either using the gay-ness of a person who openly works against gays as a weapon. Hell no.

Remember Fallujah.

----------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[tx_dem41]

68. No, I don't know that...

DUers don't have anything against gays. I think its been quite obvious the past couple of days that this is definitely not the case (and sincerly, I'm not talking about you).

[neweurope]

75. I don't see what you see. Not at all. What I see is excitement that there

just MIGHT be a possibility to hurt Bush. Two entirely different things. I won't answer anymore for the next 8 hours or so because it's bedtime over here.
Good night :)


-----------------------

Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[tx_dem41]

78. Believe me, I'm excited too.

Which is why I don't want us to "f" it up.

[leftofthedial]

70. well, he choked on something

the little bushturd is a nazi and the whole neotheocondeath cult are practicing fascists

maybe they were doing a little good German bit

Germans like sausage and pretzels

[blm]

72. DT, haven't you HEARD? Bush's nickname for Gannon was "Pretzel".......

heh

[DemoTex]

87. Seriously? Got a link?

I've been sitting back and watching "tx_dem41" totally thread-jack this piece. Weird. He/she has no clue.
Mac

[blm]

90. Nah. Walt Starr made that one up a couple days ago....

I'm making like Talon and plagiarizing.

;)

[havocmom]

92. ...has no clue and no intention of getting one

Or maybe just working the room? Have been expecting that there would be attempts to portray our interest in all the aspects of gannongate as attacks on gays in order to deflect attention from malAdministration malfeasance.

The junta has a tendency of projecting. What they say about us is generally what they have done or plan to do. THAT is what interests me most. By their charges, they are known. Anytime now, the MSM will start to infer that posters at DU are engaging in gay-bashing. They will twist and distort, as per usual.

Somebody will have to tell me when it starts, cuz I just don't pay attention to MSM anymore.

[TrustingDog]

81. o my. someone made a mark and not an impression. n/t

[Mabus]

82. don't forget when he "fell off his bike" in the woods

Bush, who was accompanied on his bike ride by his doctor, Richard Tubb, a military agent and a member of the Secret Service, fell about 16 miles into a 17-mile ride. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/22/bush.fall/index.html

A military agent or an ex-Marine named "Bulldog."
;)

[zulchzulu]

91. Chimpy probably really did try to get a pretzel and fall on a table

He IS that stupid.

I'd believe the fact that he tried to grab a pretzel from a bowl and fell into the table and then landed on the ground while hitting a leg on the table. His face chafed the side of the table as he tried to reach up to try to get the pretzel again.

He really IS that stupid.

[FreedomAngel82]

93. Or maybe he

was trying to be cute and threw it up in the air to catch in his mouth and he missed. :shrug:

[zann725]

95. Didn't Gannon's "ad" say he "didn't leave marks?"

Since this doesn't look like just an "impression," it couldn't've been Jimmy/Jeff.

[chefgirl]

98. Well, I'm glad you said it

I purposely have not read the rest of this thread yet because I just wanted to say that I'm glad someone else besides me is thinking this.

Ever since it happened I have always thought that the mouse under his eye looked, for all the world, like some right handed person clocked him. I always stopped myself with the question, who would have the balls to tag the president and even if they did, who, besides maybe Laura, could do it and get away with it.

I hadnt thought about that incident in a long long time, but I swear, it popped right into my head the day we saw the pics of ole 'Bulldog'.

Thank goodness I'm not the only one who's mind works this way.

-chef-

[Dr Fate]

99. Which family-values Republicans did Gannon have sex with?

Who popped Dubya?- is this really due to some frat-boy-style rough-stuff?

So many questions...

[Dr Fate]

100. That scene from JFK comes to mind...

...I wouldnt put it past them...

[5against1]

102. Ashe/Bush

does anyone have any background/proof on Ashe and Bush's relationship?

[Dr Fate]

105. The media didnt ask for proof when they swiftboated Kerry.

They just reported every allegation as fact- if Bush was a DEM, all we would need is people SAYING its true...

I think its a pretty solid instinct to assume Bush is into the rough stuff. ;)

[pauliedangerously]

103. About the pretzel....

...was it a twist or a rod?

[bush_is_wacko]

104. I have to relay this because my family found it VERY funny when

this happened to my husband. Vaso Vago Syncope is a term for a fainting episode.

My husband has been diagnosed with Vaso Vago Syncope with micturation (not sure if I am spelling this correctly, but it doesn't matter). That basically means fainting spells while urinating. He underwent a complete work-up including MRI/cat-scan, electrocardiogram, blood glucose test, blah, blah, blah, because he did this one morning and somehow ended up wedged between the commode and the bathroom counter even though he is 6' tall and about 190 lbs. I had to call an ambulance over the incident because, quite honestly, the way he was wedged made it look as if he had broken his neck and the fact his pupils were expanding and shrinking over and over again and his breathing was intermittent, at best, made me think he was dying.

Anyway, the doctors were worried he'd sustained an injury to his spinal cord so they ran a complete battery of tests. When the doctor finally had all the results she came into the room and told us they found nothing out of the ordinary but they suspected this vaso vago syncope with micturation thing, she sort of got real quiet after she gave us the basic definition and then she looked at me and said something to the effect that this would likely get more pronounced as he aged and he would likely at some time experience something like this during orgasm. Now, I am 5 foot tall and weigh about 110lbs. The implication was, basically, lady you probably ought to be spending all your time on top or you are going to be smothered!

My family is pretty open about these things and so we talked to them about it and they all got a real good laugh out of that one! Needless to say my husband now pee's sitting down and sex is , shall we say interesting? I could never lift him off of me! No way, no how!

Anyway the reason why I mention this is, what if bush did EXACTLY that? Passed out during orgasm. The indication is he was standing by looking at the bruise on his face, which BTW is similar to the bruise my husband had after he wedged himself next to the toilet. But he had a bruise on the back of his head as well. Laura bush didn't sustain any injuries that day did she?

This progresses with age so it makes sense that it may have happened before, and my husband and bush have similar past histories regarding drugs and alcohol abuse, and when I say similar, the drugs are identical. My husband is ALSO a recovered alcoholic. He merely dabbled with the drugs. Thank God I never had to deal with that issue!