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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:31 PM
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I think Scotty McClellan is lying here >
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 04:15 PM by Stephanie
Does anyone recall the post at KOS that traces the establishment of the Talon website on one day, and then the appearance of "Jeff Gannon" in the WH press corps just a few days later?


*edit* thanks to caligirl who provided the KOS timeline - here it is - Scotty is definitely lying.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/9/191334/0754

As the Iraq war raged and as the truth surrounding the forged documents that claimed Saddam attempted to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger emerged, a website and news organization came into being... Talon News (March 29, 2003)... owned by GOPUSA.com. Within days `Jeff Gannon', a man with no journalism experience secured White House briefing room press credentials (April 3, 2003).

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For Immediate Release
February 10, 2005

Press Gaggle with Scott McClellan
Aboard Air Force One

En Route Raleigh, North Carolina

10:10 A.M. EST

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/02/20050210-6.html#4



Q Jeff Gannon. How did he get a White House pass, or what kind of credentials did he have?

MR. McCLELLAN: Just like anyone else who comes to the White House.

Q Hard pass?

MR. McCLELLAN: No, he had never applied for a hard pass. He had a daily pass. I think he's been coming for --

Q Was he coming for --

MR. McCLELLAN: Hang on. I think he's been coming for more than two years now.

Q Under what name?

MR. McCLELLAN: Sorry?

Q Under what name?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, you have to get cleared. You have to -- just like anybody else that comes to the White House, you have to have your full name, your Social Security number and your birth date. So you have to be cleared just like anybody else.

Q So he was being cleared under James Guckert, or whatever his name is?

MR. McCLELLAN: My understanding, yes.

Q Okay, and how did he get picked to get a question asked at the last news conference?

MR. McCLELLAN: He didn't. The President didn't have a list. The President didn't -- he was in the briefing room. There are assigned seats in the briefing room. We didn't do any assigning of seats, and the President worked his way through the rows, and called on people as he came to them. He doesn't know who he is.

Q Were you aware that he had another name?

MR. McCLELLAN: Was I aware? I had heard that. I had heard that, yes, recently.

Q But did you know during all this time that he really wasn't Jeff Gannon?

MR. McCLELLAN: I heard at some point, yes -- previously.

Q As Press Secretary, what do you think about this whole --

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, like I said -- what do I think about it? Well, let me explain a few things. First, as the press secretary, I don't think it's the role of the Press Secretary to get into picking or choosing who gets press credentials. Also, I don't think it's the role of the Press Secretary to get into being a media critic, and I think there are very good reasons for that. I've never inserted myself into the process. He, like anyone else, showed that he was representing a news organization that published regularly, and so he was cleared two years ago to receive daily passes, just like many others are. The issue comes up -- it becomes, in this day and age, when you have a changing media, it's not an easy issue to decide or try to pick and choose who is a journalist. And there -- it gets into the issue of advocacy journalism. Where do you draw the line? There are a number of people who cross that line in the briefing room.

And, as far as I'm concerned, I would welcome the White House Correspondents Association, if they have any concerns or issues that they want to bring to my attention, they know my door is open and I'll be glad to discuss these issues with them. I have an open dialogue with the Correspondents Association. No one's ever brought such an issue to my attention, in my -- during my time as being Press Secretary. And you all cover the briefing room on a regular basis. You know that there are a number of people in that room that express their points of view, and there are people in that room that represent traditional media, they represent talk radio, they represent -- they're columnists, and they represent online news organizations.

Q Was the White House aware at all -- was the White House aware -- was the White House aware at all about the online websites that he was linked to?

MR. McCLELLAN: No. This has only come to my attention through the news reports, just a few reporters calling in.

Q But just to make it clear, the only criteria, from the White House perspective is, someone can pass the Secret Service background check

MR. McCLELLAN: No, no, that's not -- first of all, I don't involve myself in that process, it's handled at a staff level.
Like I said, if the White House Correspondents Association ever wants to talk about issues, I welcome that. But it becomes an issue -- it becomes an issue of where do you draw the line? Do you draw the line at advocacy journalism because there are a number of people that crossed that line, as I said? But there's hard -- there's hard passes and there's daily passes, as you are well aware. For a hard pass, you have to have a House and Senate credential, you have to regularly cover the White House, you have to apply for it, you have to go through a detailed FBI background check.

My understanding was, when he started coming to the White House about two years ago, the staff asked to see that it -- that he represented a news organization that published regularly. And they showed that, so he was cleared and has been cleared ever since based on that time.

And this is just now something that's come to my attention more recently because it's been an issue raised in some media reports.

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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:34 PM
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1. Snotty Scotty is lying through his fangs
He knew perfectly well that "Jeff Gannon" was "Military Escort" Jim Guckert, and now he's just trying to weasel his way out of it.
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Emboldened Chimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:34 PM
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2. Scotty knows right off the bat that he'd been going there for two years...
A telling detail...
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:35 PM
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3. Gee, ya think?
Keep digging that hole deeper Scotty!
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:37 PM
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4. If the Correspondents Assoc is the 9 member board who clears who has
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 03:37 PM by BR_Parkway
access

From their website:

A nine-member board of directors, elected by correspondents, addresses access to the chief executive; coverage arrangements; work space arrangements; logistics and costs for press travel to accompany a president on the road.

<snip>

President
Ron Hutcheson
Knight Ridder


Vice President
Mark Smith
AP Radio

Treasurer
Doug Mills
The New York Times

Secretary
Edwin Chen
Los Angeles Times

Board Members
Steve Scully, C-SPAN
Jim Angle, Fox News
Kenneth Walsh, U.S. News &World Report
Mike Allen, The Washington Post
Terence Hunt, Associated Press


Former President and Sustaining Member
Edgar A. Poe, New Orleans Times-Picayune
1906-1998

Executive Director
Julia Whiston


Who the hell ok'd him???





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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:49 PM
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11. I emailed Hutechson this am, I have no response as of now
I don't really expect to get one either.

My question was about what sort of credentials one would need.

The wierd part is Gannon with no apparentlother journalism experience went to work at Talon on March 29 and by April 10 he was a Bureau Chief and White House reporter.

If that ain't the definition of strange then tell give me one because that just seems extremely unusual.


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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:01 PM
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16. And do you know on what day Talon was established?
Or on what day the domain was purchased?
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:01 PM
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17. His competition for the job was a volunteer High School kid, would have
been embarrassing for Gannon NOT to have been the one promoted LOL
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:32 PM
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27. NO!!
The authority to credential reporters lies with the WH press office. The power was removed from WHCA at the end of WW2.

It is the press office that allows entry.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:37 PM
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5. liar liar
friggin red hot freeper pants on fire!
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:42 PM
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7. Liar, liar. friggin red hot freeper pants on fire!
LOL! I'm trying not to burst out laughing and fall off my chair here in my office.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:38 PM
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6. Did Gallon travel on Air Force One and who paid his bills? n/t
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:44 PM
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8. a "fake guy" getting clearance within "feet" of the President...WTF
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:46 PM
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10. No way a "fake" name would've cleared security check.
They knew.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:46 PM
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9. Yup, caught in a lie - let's see if the press asks him about it
also, I see that there were no questions about the supposed Plame CIA memo there. He's gotta be involved in the Plame thing. I can't believe nobody asked Scotty about HotStud's Plame Grand Jury appearance. There's a lot more here. It's a joke that whores like leslie blitzer and howie kurtz are allowed to have jobs.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:50 PM
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12. You have to wonder why the PRESS sat by and allowed it to happen for YEARS
They're incompetent or complicit.

I'm leaning on option 2.
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scbluevoter Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:54 PM
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13. Wonder. . .
if he would have received credentials had his real name been Muhammed?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:57 PM
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14. oh yeah he is Lying Randi Rhodes just played the sound
of Gannon asking a bunch of softball questions

the way Scott called on him very very familiar
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:58 PM
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15. We need to get this story out and not let it die.
It's incredible.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:06 PM
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18. I posted the kos timeline here, and another person posted an
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 04:08 PM by caligirl
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:12 PM
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20. Thanks! Exactly what i was looking for!
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MaineYooper Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:09 PM
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19. his lips are moving aren't they?! nt
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:15 PM
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21. Here's a link to the best timeline for the important details I've seen
His initial appearance at the WH seems to be tied directly to Joe Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame and the CIA memo etc...


As the Iraq war raged and as the truth surrounding the forged documents that claimed Saddam attempted to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger emerged, a website and news organization came into being... Talon News (March 29, 2003)... owned by GOPUSA.com. Within days `Jeff Gannon', a man with no journalism experience secured White House briefing room press credentials (April 3, 2003).


DailyKos.com
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:16 PM
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23. thanks - I updated the first post
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:24 PM
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24. Based on the timeline, Scotty Mac is busted!
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 04:24 PM by tgnyc
He said in the press gaggle that the eligibility requirements for the pass are that the person be a journalist, one who works for a news organization that publishes regularly.

If Talon came into being on March 29, 2003 (a Saturday), and JG got his pass on April 3 (a Wednesday), his pass was issued at a time when his organization had not published regularly (unless 4 days total constitutes "regularly").

Scott definitely lied. We have to hone our argument to these facts to get the media to pay attention to the heart of the matter, and not the extraneous bullshit.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:25 PM
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25. Precisely. He's a LIAR.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:33 PM
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28. Talon News Archives start April 2003.
So if Jeffy got his pass on April 3 it would likely precede any actual Talon news stories, wouldn't it? I couldn't get exact date of the first news story as it required "registration" and I refuse to do that. As it is, I feel quite dirty and slimed just having visited the site.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 05:32 PM
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31. Very good. The media needs to be told about this timeline. n/t
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:16 PM
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22. I still don't understand the following key issues:
Who, exactly, grants permission to obtain a daily pass?

Who, exactly, creates the physical pass?

Does that person/persons ask for identification before handing out the pass? If so, what name did JG use on the ID he produced to pick up the pass? Was it his real name, which means the creator of the pass was in on the scheme? Or was it his Jeff Gannon moniker, in which case the guy was using fake ID?

Is there no law against misrepresenting your identity to White House staff and personnel?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:26 PM
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26. Scottie says it's not "his responsibility" as Press Sec (eyes spinning)
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:37 PM
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29. I have to believe that lying to the Secret Service is a crime.....
Isn't lying to any Federal Officer a crime? Certainly lying about your identity to get into the WH would be a crime, no? So assuming that Jeffy didn't do that???????The WH knew all along his name was not Gannon?
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:55 AM
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32. Seems like what they convicted Martha for, dont' think she was even
under oath.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:45 PM
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30. Well, duh, his lips ARE moving, aren't they?
That's how you can tell, you know.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:56 AM
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33. Was Scotty's mouth moving?
If "yes" then he was lying. It's that simple.

Julie
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:42 AM
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34. Poor Scotty.
I bet by the end of that exchange he was desperately wishing for a friendly Jeff Gannon question to change the subject, but alas, Jeffie is no longer in the building.
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