Official thread #5, Rice Confirmation, Chuck Hagel speaking

[JohnOneillsMemory]

(#4 below getting too big for dial-up, hope this is ok...)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1528090&mesg_id=1528090&page=

continuation after Byrd...

[JohnOneillsMemory]

1. Ah, the Senator who elected himself with corrupt voting software...

[rodeodance]

2. Hegal really did not have much to say before he said he would vote Y.

[rodeodance]

3. gosh, they actually put Condi's bio up on the screen

[rodeodance]

5. George Allen R. Virginia talking---praising Condi --yawn

[frylock]

7. i heard that she plays the piano or something..

anyone care to substantiate that?

[realFedUp]

12. She plays the piano very well

Of course a piano doesn't lie...

[sepia_steel]

4. I am so sick of their

talking-point lies.

[rodeodance]

9. and more yawns-conditions on the ground (iraq) continue to be "difficult"

[rodeodance]

13. I feel like I am in la la land-after hearing Bryd --these Reps follow --it

is like they are talking of two completly different persons!!

[stevedeshazer]

6. DRONE: George Allen

Part of the Republican "brain trust".

[CWebster]

15. What an embarrassment. nt

[LibDemAlways]

28. Allen has no brain.

See my post #8. He was the only teenager in Southern California to paper his car with confederate flags. His most significant contribution in high school was to spray paint racist graffiti all over the place to stir up hatred toward blacks. He's a real piece of work.

[fairfaxvadem]

82. He is a real creep.

But he's kept it pretty well hidden in Virginia, I can tell you that. There was all sorts of talk about his confederate stuff in his house and all, but still, there is a lot of quiet acceptance of that in parts of the Commonwealth, unfortunately.

We've always been curious who financially sponsored his political start in Virginia, considering he didn't grow up here.

Just cannot stand the man.

[LibDemAlways]

8. What an ass Hagel is.

There's not a single repuke with a shred of integrity. They all have rubber stamps growing out of their sleeves. Allen is on now. I see he left his white sheet home today. When I went to high school with him back in the late 60's he had a word for people like Condi Rice...and it started with an "n." Well known racist and all around idiot.

[Pirate Smile]

17. Pundits are really starting to talk him up as a Pres Candidate for

2008. Does he have some skeletons in his closet?

[LibDemAlways]

35. A big ugly racial skeleton.

See my post #28 above.

[JoMama49]

I know I'm completely biased against these Repukes, but

they sound so stupid to me. This Allen guy is not even making any sense at all. What kind of logic is he using? He says she should be confirmed because she agrees with *'s values? This guy is abolsutely devoid of any common sense. He's a whack job!

[JohnOneillsMemory]

10. The Repubs have little to say. Generalizations and distortions.

...more 'freedom is on the march' and applauding fake elections...

[BR_Parkway]

Such sweet irony if someone hacked their election - put in someone

that didn't follow ShrubCo in lockstep and passed an amendment to allow gay marriage.

[JoMama49]

37. And, also kick the U.S. out of their country and voted to

keep their oil!

[Pirate Smile]

11. How many no votes are there? Boxer, Kerry, Kennedy, Bayh,

Dayton, .....

I didn't hear Sen. Carl Levin - did he say no?

[realFedUp]

16. Levin said no and had a good speech...n/t

[Pirate Smile]

20. Ok, well that is 6 for sure.

[rodeodance]

18. rehashing the reasons---brutal SH, etc for going to war

[nickinSTL]

19. Levin's definitely a no

He tore into Rice.

[mhr]

14. It Dawned On Me That The Republican Biographies Are What Will Make The

MSN tonight, not the truth from several Democrats.

I am sure they were "instructed" to do this so that each MSN outlet could pick and choose from a set of similar statements.

I think we are being had once again.

[rodeodance]

oh, I do hope you are wrong!

[realFedUp]

21. When you apply for an important job...your piano playing

isn't going to close the deal for you.

These people can't defend her record in
the NSA.

[rodeodance]

23. Allen dismising the Dems who do ot support Condi

[AgadorSparticus]

91. which can only be rivaled by her ice skating abilities, apparently...

such repuke sensibilities. :crazy:

i find it tragically funny that in the 4 yrs of office, condi has not done ONE thing worth mentioning in a confirmation hearing. not one damn thing. how can a person take office and in 4 years not have a single thing to show for their time? she learned from bush well....

[Pirate Smile]

27. I have already seen Dayton's comment about Condi not wanting

to have her integrity questioned but that he doesn't like to be lied to, repeatedly, consistently, etc.

[realFedUp]

32. Where did you see it? n/t

[Pirate Smile]

47. CNN's Inside Politics - I flipped over while Hagel was talking. I am

already up-to-date on her life story. I don't need to hear it again.

It is a good sound bite.

[Kadie]

41. Here is a link to an AP story already out...

Senate begins Democrat-demanded debate on Rice nomination
BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer

Tuesday, January 25, 2005


(01-25) 09:48 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy and other Democrats assailed President Bush's decision to go to war with Iraq Tuesday and declared they would oppose Condoleezza Rice's nomination as secretary of state as a principal architect of a failed policy.

Kennedy, of Massachusetts, keyed the Democratic attack with charges that Rice, as Bush's national security adviser, provided Congress with "false reasons" for going to war. Had she not, he said in a speech, "it might have changed the course of history."

Sen. Mark Dayton, D-Minn., following up, accused the Bush administration of lying and said he was voting against Rice's confirmation as a way of trying to stop mistruths.

And Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., charged she concealed the Central Intelligence Agency's skepticism that Iraq was trying to obtain uranium for a nuclear weapons program from Africa.

more...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2005/01/25/national1045EST0554.DTL

[mhr]

94. Print Media - Not Nightly News Or Cable Networks

eom

[blueblitzkrieg]

22. this Allen jerk is a bumbling asshat nt

[Untouchedalarm]

25. All shook up

[rodeodance]

29. says opponents have sought to blame Condi personally

[realFedUp]

24. Who else gets called "Dr." because they have a PH.D?

Very few, unless they are in a university situation...
I'm not disparaging her work but come on...it's
just a tool to elevate her profile and experience,
which isn't a lot.

[rodeodance]

36. Dr Kissenger--I belive I have heard that a lot

[realFedUp]

43. that's true.

another architect of weapons of mass deaths.

[sabra]

26. Did Allen even practice?

Seems like the first time he is seeing this speech!

[Untouchedalarm]

31. It is harder to tell a lie

[tanyev]

33. It was probably written for him.

[anarchy1999]

Stumbling in every direction, all over himself.

n/t

on edit:

All over the map. What an idgit.

[fairfaxvadem]

46. I was just thinking, "this idiot makes no sense"

But then I realized it was my very own senator Allen from Virginia, and this is pretty typical of him.

And some say he is "presidential material".

The very thought makes me ill.

[Magleetis]

30. Funny

how the Repugs never mention all of the innocent civilians we have killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[realFedUp]

39. Allen's doing the attack on Dem Senators comments

Guess the backroom boys were busily scribbling
some talking points during lunch.

[Acryliccalico]

50. Freudian slips...................................eom

[anarchy1999]

34. Is there a way in this world that her confirmation can be stopped?

An emergency stay, a peoples' lawsuit? Anyone know?

[rodeodance]

38. no-it is written in the tea leaves already.

[JoMama49]

42. I believe the only way it can be stopped if over 40 Senators

vote no, then they can call a fillibuster to stop it. Any less than 40, they can't. At least that's what I understand.

[Acryliccalico]

40. I noticed how they trip over their tongues when lying.

:kick:

[rodeodance]

45. naw-perfect poker faces--and no stumbling when lying

[Untouchedalarm]

51. Boxer

Is going to attack him like vampire

[fooj]

44. Those assholes are sooo unbelievable!

[MuseRider]

48. So we should not hold them

responsible for their mistakes because they admit them? Damn, how many of you have jobs that would let you get by with that one? I sure didn't.

[stevedeshazer]

49. "Monday -morning quarterbacking"

Thanks for the football metaphor.

Are you dropping back to punt, George?

[rodeodance]

"be careful not to attach her credibility" in capitals around the world!!

my god!!!!!!! as if they do not know already!!

[rodeodance]

54. the new doctrine is "peace thru liberty"

[underpants]

57. Allen"Be careful not to be diminshing her credibility.....

it effects how others around the world see her (oh now they care)....our new doctrine is pece through liberty

[underpants]

65. SWEET NECTAR OF LIBERTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He has been using that phrase since 1998

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

71. Allen is such an asshat. Jaysus, I thought

Kay Bailey Hutchison was bad, but this guy takes the absolute cake.

Can all the guys do is submit newspaper articles.

Oh goody, Barbara Boxer's on. Gotta go.

[blueblitzkrieg]

52. Allen says detracting or criticizing Condi hurts America in world's eyes.

[fooj]

53. Who in the hell has that bitch been diplomatic with? Allen needs...

to be careful! Fuck him. This country a great disservice? E-mail that fat bastard and tell him what WE REALLY THINK!

[Untouchedalarm]

Hell

There are people going hungry in USA

[rodeodance]

63. "carping and stricking"--over particizen attach!! Crappo!!!!!

[rodeodance]

67. says "don't diminish Dr Rice's credibility" in the eyes of the world!

[GreenArrow]

80. bitch has NO credibility

in the rest of the world.

[buzzard]

55. Did he just say how dare you disagree with Condi

Peace through war is more like it

[anarchy1999]

56. "Sweet nectar of liberty" , Good God where is this man from?

Right, another planet.

[fooj]

68. He's straight out of the depths of hell!

[nickinSTL]

58. My impression of George Allen...

he's an idiot.

[realFedUp]

59. Allen says don't dissent....the rest of the world is watching

Dissent is the cornerstone and check
by a unilateral pre-emptive striking Jekyll
and Hyde empire building, oil greedy
democratic nation, asshole.

PS: I think the rest of the world is very
clear on what this administration is doing.

[MuseRider]

60. Sorry Virginia

this guy is as bad as my Senators(Kansas). What a dope. Sweet nectar of liberty? Iraq? So we should not have any discussion because it diminishes her international credibility?

[AVID]

61. ALLEN - "A unity of purpose to advance freedom"

doesn't get it

[fooj]

62. So it's oK for this jackass to attack US personally?

[sabra]

64. Allen: "taste of sweet nectar of liberty"

I think I am going to hurl!

[underpants]

90. He started saying that in '98-4 times since then 2 in the last week

Condi Rice’s confirmation hearing
1/19/05
http://allen.senate.gov/?c=story&t=press&story=2005011961776.859375

Because of President Reagan's steadfast determination, hundreds of millions of people tasting that sweet nectar of liberty in central Europe are now friends and allies," said Senator Allen.

On the 2004 election
10/10/2004
http://www.vote-smart.org/speech_detail.php?speech_id=69507
Ronald Reagan's election changed the dynamic of the Cold War from one of containment and co-existence to the advancement of freedom. As a result, hundreds of millions of people in Central Europe, once behind the Iron Curtain, now taste the sweet nectar of liberty, have joined NATO, and are true friends and allies.

Senator Allen's Tribute to President Reagan
June 8, 2004
http://www.nrsc.org/nrscweb/newsdesk/articles/401.shtml

But President Reagan believed the blessings of liberty must not be bestowed only on a few nations and only to those blessed to be born on free soil; Ronald Reagan, with the strength of his convictions, exported and advanced democracy to continents, countries, and people yearning to taste the sweet nectar of libert.



GOVERNOR ALLEN SELECTED AS "JEFFERSON SCHOLAR"
August 28, 1998
http://www.alec.org/viewpage.cfm?pgname=3.1aa56

He also pointed to North Korea, China, Iraq, Cuba and other countries where "there are people who have never truly tasted freedom's sweet nectar.

[E_Smith]

66. SCREW YOU ALLEN. this is bogus.

devolved into partisan attacks... shut the eff up and sit down.

[sepia_steel]

70. God! what a fucking avalanche of

BULLSHIT!

Hypocrites.

[rodeodance]

Boxer up!!

[anarchy1999]

"Impeccable credentials"? You've got to be kidding me!

Way too much Kool Aid being passed around today.

[anarchy1999]

76. Barbara is up! Time for a new thread!

n/t here goes..........

[Pirate Smile]

69. Allen - don't question her credibility or else the rest of the world may

not believe her. Haaa haaaa. I think the rest of the world already knows not to believe anyone in the Bush Administration.

[Kota]

84. The truth hurts her credibility, they make our point for us.

[fooj]

72. GO BABY GO!

[realFedUp]

73. gee, wants a WSJ editorial to be inserted in the record

what a surprise.

[blueblitzkrieg]

74. boxer is up!!!!

[American Tragedy]

75. Excellent, Boxer's on

[rodeodance]

81. Boxer surprized at the response she got (good and bad)

[rodeodance]

83. surprized cause she thought she was doing her job as a member of

the Senate For. Relations Committee

[sabra]

77. BOXER! - new thread time?

[realFedUp]

78. Start a new thread for Boxer

[fooj]

79. Wait until Boxer waves her petition around!

[rodeodance]

85. she mentions that thousands and thousands signed a petion!1

[rodeodance]

86. said that all Presidents need checks and balances--this is her role

[caligirl]

88. I got an email last night from her office, they want more signatures.

http://ga4.org/campaign/ricehearings/dkskds4pji7jb6


edit for numbers 86000+ signed

[JohnOneillsMemory]

87. now Boxer quoting Alexander Hamilton..check and balance...Consitution...

...doesn't say Pres has free reign in selection of cabinet...

[JohnOneillsMemory]

89. What's all this Constitution talk? It was written on paper for gawd's sake

and easy to shred, as my (JOM) girlfriend pointed out!
(sarcasm)

Boxer now quoting MLK "our lives begin to end the day that we stay silent about things that matter."

Boxer "the thing that matters today is this war"

[JohnOneillsMemory]

92. Link to THREAD #6 for Boxer here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1528555&mesg_id=1528555&page=

[buzzard]

93. Truth is not something this administration holds in high regard.

In fact I think it is mandated that those close to *sh must be able to tell big lies.