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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 09:58 PM
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Is too much energy spent obsessing on George Bush?
Sure he's a despicable and i suspect pathological character but do the intricacies and techniques of empire elude close scrutiny with all eyes focused on boy king? Do the avenues which would lead to alternative institutions get blocked when so much energy is spent hammering on this feckless leader? Do the numerous other, and more influential, technocrats of this heinous administration elude the harsh criticism they so richly deserve?
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:03 PM
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1. Well, sane Germans didn't have much success in ignoring their Fuhrer.
How do we build alternative institutions while we have fascists controlling virtually everything we do, say or think?
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:26 PM
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5. To find out look at what the Spanish did in the Mondragon...
Society during Franco's regime, look at how they are attempting to create civil society in Zambia, many other examples. Create local currencies, local health funds, neighborhood think tanks, community garden projects, edible schoolyard programs for the kids, etc. the world is waiting, see ya' there.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:12 PM
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2. Interesting points
He is just the front man for a whole big syndicate. He is their poster boy and their lightening rod.

Think of him as the curvy woman in the scanty costume distracting you from the slight of hand the sham magician pulls. We need to be more concerned with what's up the magician's sleeve.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:15 PM
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3. All too true. We all know * isn't responsible for much of anything
But how do you keep an eye on those behind the scenes?
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:33 PM
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6. you follow them, know their past positions and policies heres a start.....
look into these vampires and shine the light on them and tell others. James Woolsey, John Bolton, Paul Weyrich, Grover Norquist, Stephen Hadley, Eliot Abrams, John Negroponte (google Battalion 316 Honduras), Robert Zoellick many more. what is helpful with this exercise is that it also teaches people about the fabric of the empire, its many tentacles and the numerous institutions and organizations required to prop it up. PULL DOWN THE CURTAIN.
www.theocracywatch.org
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:20 PM
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4. f
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 10:23 PM by liberalmuse
I spent his first 4 years HATING him. To be honest, I hate his policies and don't really give a fig about the man himself.

My first really evil thought towards a human being occurred on 12/09/00 (meaning, I've actually been able to justify my thought since then) and it's gone downhill from there. I still do hate Bush, and damn my soul for hating anyone, but have grown to realize he is not worth so much of my time or my energy. Neither are the neanderthal baby soul Bushbots. They truly believe he is a man of 'god'. There's nothing I can say or do to change this. They just need to evolve, and that is going to take some time, I think.

We will survive the Bush years, but it's time to move in a new direction. I've learned to let go. Whatever will be, will be. I will still fight like hell for the things I believe in, but have grown to realize that I don't have the power to change the things I'd like to change NOW. As Americans, we've been fooled into believing each individual has so much power, but the truth is, there is only power in the collective, the One, which is the point in time a critical mass of us awaken to the truth: that what you do to the demonized 'other', you do to yourself.

Just knowing there are others out there (49% here in America, and probably more, and most definitely more throughout the world) who feel as I do has been a sort of panacea. In the past 4 years, we've learned that the Dems in DC are pussies--or rather, lap dogs. We know that most people in the U.S. are so preoccupied with their personal lives that they don't give a thought to what the Bush cabal is doing in their names. What do we do? We LIVE. We go on, still awake and aware, but knowing there is only so much we can do, and we try to fulfill our own individual lives and the lives of those around us, regardless.

Things will get better, but those of us who are awake know they will get worse first, and we are ready for it. Call it fatalistic, but WTF? Bush isn't worth the bulk of my time, and, as I've seen, others have taken this fatalistic approach. We are all in this together. If the human race is eliminated, so be it. If we learn and move on, great.
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Red State Blues Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 10:37 PM
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7. Good question.
I think many of his detractors are really talking about BushCo. I know personally when I say Bush, I mean the whole cabal.

DeLay is pretty much beyond the pale, it seems to me if there weren't so many targets for our frustration that he would be "outta' there."

I believe Chomsky made the point, when talking about Bush I, that getting rid of him personally wouldn't really accomplish much as long as the system that rewarded his behavior remained in place; another one just as bad would emerge. In fact, it was worse, the birth of the whole neo-con clusterfuck rose directly from the ashes of Bush I ' s defeat.

So for me it's yes and no, BushCo deserves all the criticism we heap on them and more but I worry that many who are "less involved/newer to the problem" will consider the problem solved when B* is pried out of the White House.
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jjtss Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:01 PM
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8. We all Hate the Bush Crime Family
One of the reasons we obsess about them is because we are constantly assaulted by G.Brish's likeness everywhere we turn. On the street, on the newspapers, on the TV and the Internet. The man is narcissistic, which is a part of his sociopathic personality. If we didnot have these constant reminders of his existence we could probably move on, then again perhaps we are not meant to, after all the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:07 PM
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10. I believe a good dose of hate is a healthy thing and....
I suspect if you really got to know the man you would hate him more than you do already. I do feel like alot of these other colossal bandits are left to do there dirty work lurking in the shadows due to so much attention drawn to g.w. and that is helpful to the empire.
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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:07 PM
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9. George Bush is a disgusting piece of crap!
Edited on Thu Jan-20-05 11:07 PM by Jackie97
And he's not worth obsessing about. Have you ever thought about somebody "You're not worth it"? That's how I feel about Bush. No more years!

Anyway, I'm going to try to work toward progress by reminding our people in Congress what most of America thinks and that they're up for re-election in two years. I also plan on trying to work more on a state level for change. In other words, I'm going to try to do something productive.

I think I have been productive in the last few years against Bush's policies. I worked in the anti-war movement, and I think it's had a lot of success in waking up a lot of Americans. So, I guess I haven't spent the last few years obsessing after all.

It's like something I read.

"Don't agonize. Organize". Maybe it was "Don't agonize. Mobilize". Anyway, I think you get my point.
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-05 11:10 PM
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11. Right on
Local economic structures. www.ithacahealth.org
Local food sources.
Grassroots politics.
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