MY GOD. CONDI IS DEAD IN THE WATER.

[Guaranteed]

BOXER IS DESTROYING HER.

Condi asked that Lieberman/McCain amendment to be stricken from the final bill. An amendment that was passed unanimously.

Boxer is just beating the shit out of her.

[New Earth]

1. is it just me

or was her voice just shaking?

[n2mark]

5. Her voice is always shaking if your are talking Condi

She is acting like a victim, that is all I have to say.

Poor me, feel sorry for me, I am being picked on , somebody help me!

[Al-CIAda]

9. Which was the Oliver North act to some degree

I agree w/tthe thread starter, Boxer is kicking ass!
Its unbelievable -blow after blow. Keep on in Boxer!

You know, if they all took an issue she would be exposed big time.
Why they aren't taking the opportunity to get her on the rcord under oath is puzzling to say the least.

[StephanieMarie]

43. Of course she'll be confirmed. The point is to expose her lying

*ss for what it is, for the record, under oath, for posterity!

[JDPriestly]

25. Condi -- hoisted on her own petards.

What is it they say about lies -- they always come back to haunt you. Condi, dear, this is your mom, "Honesty is always the best policy. Tell the truth, dear. You'll feel much better if you do."

[Donailin]

46. the thing about her is

that one she's an only child. Spoiled rotten, no doubt and no experience in compromise, kinds like George. 2, she and her family wanted nothing to do with the protests in the sixties for civil rights, in fact they wanted to distance themselves from those 'negroes' who didn't educate themselves and fight injustice in the halls of academia, as opposed to the streets like commoners. Actually, I don't think they wanted to fight at all, they moved to COLORADO when she was a teen.

Colorado??During the height of the civil rights movement? Is there any state "whiter" than Colorado in the sixties? I think they wanted to distance themselves from Birmingham altogether, perhaps it left a bad taste in their mouth.. Yessiree.

[Generator]

48. Okay way off the point

But being an only child and hearing the bullshit line all my life about being spoiled-enough. You can't say something racist-but if your mother never shared her womb you are inferior?

There are plenty of "only" children that aren't rich or spoiled.

I hear Bush has a brother or two himself.

I'll leave it to someone else to defend the minority population of Colorado. I'm sure there are some Black only children there that aren't spoiled and know the difference between wrong and right-something Condi clearly lacks in her delusions.

[Mz Pip]

49. Me too

I'm an only child and my parents went out of their way not to spoil me. They weren't tich either.

I hate stereotyping.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Donailin]

61. ah, my apologies to only children

but it is not difficult to spoil one, and many parents fall into that trap.

[Donailin]

64. I was talking about Condaleeza Rice

Do you suggest she wasn't spoiled, or wasn't discouraged from
participating in the struggle for civil rights by being a part of the movement?

I look at her accomplishments, which are remarkable, but I see no evidence of how she championed any cause but her own.

http://aztlan.net/oiltanker.htm

[TheWesson]

50. BAP

a better Condi theory is the Black American Princess theory - overly eager to cozy up to authority and be "good".

An obedient overachiever.

oh here's a URL
http://www.alternet.org/story/14651

[emulatorloo]

6. it is not just you. . . .n/t

[PurityOfEssence]

41. That's why I call her "Mary Tyler Moron"

She always has a terrified quiver to her voice whenever the heat's on. You can also almost hear her say "Oh, Mr. Grant..."

The moron epithet is because she's a classic mediocre intellect who so desperately needs to be thought of as brilliant that she sucks up to power, works like hell and gets advanced degrees and positions to make her genius unassailable. She's a fraud of the worst kind.

When she was lying about them not knowing that airliners could be used as missiles during the first "Bush Knew" scandal of May '02, she was almost in tears as she lied, lied, lied. Her fragile pomposity was truly on edge today when she scolded Boxer about impugning her integrity.

She's an evil, nasty, supremely egocentric and deeply lonely person.

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. Doesn't that also describe the Chimp?

evil, nasty, supremely egocentric and deeply lonely person. Birds of a feather, two peas in a pod.

[Up2Late]

59. That her tell-tail "I'm Lying" tip off

It's just like *'s smirking chuckle that he does when he's struggling to convince a skeptical reporter.:evilfrown:

It also shows how much more effort and brain power it takes to make up convincing lies, hence, * is scripted most of the time.:evilgrin:

[blueblitzkrieg]

2. Boxer: "You are not listening to the question."

She's schooling Condi, lol!

[Up2Late]

8. I believe the proper words would be that she giving her...

...a "Bitch Slapping.":evilgrin:

[crispini]

3. Boxer RULES. nt

[emulatorloo]

4. Boxer and Kerry exposed her and her 'husband' for what they are

But the rethuglicans are doing a wonderful job of cheerleading.

[Menshevik]

7. is this being broadcast online anywhere?

I'm in the UK

[Al-CIAda]

10. Go here-

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

Its the C-Span 1 feed

[Up2Late]

11. You can stream CSPAN @ cspan.org

http://www.c-span.org/
or
http://www.broadbandc-span.org/

They also have replays, but I saw Condi's grilling is on the top of the broadband page.:evilgrin:

[Menshevik]

12. thanks guys!

This is GREAT!

[fooj]

13. Condi-You are being a very, bad girl! Listen to the question.

Boxer nailed her ass to the wall!:spank:

[dolstein]

14. Newsflash: Condi Rice will be approved overwhelmingly

Boxer will be no more successful in derailing the Rice nomination than she was in challenging the Ohio electors.

Can you count? There are over 50 Republican senators, every one of whom will vote to make Rice Secretary of State. And most Democrats will too, since they believe the President should be able to choose his cabinet. Perhaps if Condi Rice employed an illegal immigrant things would be differnent.

[GreenArrow]

17. bet Chafee doesn't

Maybe Snowe either. But you're right, Condi will be confirmed.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. Well, from where I sit, our elected officials have two options:

Either borrow from the Daschle "how to be a spineless Bush toady" playbook and allow the Juggernaut to roll over us, or put up a fight.

I'm proud to note that, once again, my Senator is doing the latter.

Unless I'm reading your post incorrectly, it sounds to me like you'd prefer everyone clam up-- unless they have a chance of "winning". Unfortunately, vocal protest is about all we have at this point.

Just the mere fact that someone, somewhere, gets it out on the media airwaves that a few of us still remember that the ever-shifting BS rationales for this war have been replaced and repackaged as they consecutively fell through... is a victory in this day and age.

Thank You --Again--, Sen. Boxer!

[quaoar]

36. I think the point he is making

is that in the end, it doesn't much matter how many points Boxer scores or how many times she makes Rice look like a fool. In the end she will be confirmed and we'll be stuck with her for four fucking years.

It's like talking to a brick wall trying to make people see what incompetent liars Bush and his whole crime family are. Boxer can mop the floor with Rice and the Republican sheep in the Senate will still vote for her.

It's depressing really, but you still have to make the effort, because the alternative -- apathy -- is even worse.

[Guaranteed]

37. At least you get to respect yourself in the morning.

And, who knows, maybe you'll gain the respect of the American people. Some say that translates into votes.

[quaoar]

40. Indeed

But it is still frustrating to know that no matter what smoking gun you pull from your holster, no matter what incriminating memo you blow up to poster size, no matter how many experts you quote -- no one in the Bush crime family will violate omerta. No one will even admit to errors or misjudgments.

You can bring in a tractor-trailer load of evidence showing Condi is incompetent and the Republicans who call themselves senators would still vote for her.

It used to be that if someone fucked up as badly as Condi has, they would have the decency to resign. But the collective conscience of this administration wouldn't fit on the far side of an electron.

[Warren DeMontague]

54. Playing it the other way hasn't done us a whole lot of good..

It's not exactly a news flash that we're not going to win much more than symbolic victories in a 55-44 (or 45) Senate. The alternative is to do nothing, which would piss plenty of people off (myself included) to no end.

Barbara Boxer isn't perfect, but at least she's showing some much-needed gumption. At a time when other Dems are asking what core principles, like Separation of Church and State, equality for Gays & Lesbians, or Reproductive Choice, we can jettison overboard in interest of courting the red state "left behind" kook contingent, at least Barbara Boxer believes in what she stands up for and stands up for what she believes in. We could use more like her.

[Orangepeel]

45. Of course it matters. Not for the confirmation, but for the future

Condi Rice is going to run for Senate against Barbara Boxer some day. The more hits Condi takes now, the harder that will be.

[Warren DeMontague]

55. As a Californian, I say...

"Bring Her On"

[Up2Late]

66. We need a California Update

What's the situation now, with your e-voting machines?:kick:

[Up2Late]

60. I think the thing that pisses me off most

is that the Bushies just don't get the fact that, even if they do control the message by controlling the U.S. MSM which keeps 50% of the American people stupid, They DO NOT control the message in the rest of the world. :freak:

The rest of the world hates us, because they get their news WITHOUT going through the America MSM Filter.:grr:

[enough already]

63. Democrat sheep

will vote for her too. With very few exceptions, the party has decided to roll over and play dead.

[Guaranteed]

26. I'm sorry, you must have read something in my post that wasn't

there.

[Warren DeMontague]

56. Self-Delete

I Got lost in the thread, maaaaaaaan.

[sampsonblk]

27. Success = putting up a fight

That's how I am going to measure Dems from now on. I'm sure I am not the only one.

It's time to start fighting back and quit caving in - whether we have the numbers or not is irrelevant to me. If we fight, we will eventually get the numbers.

[JDPriestly]

28. If a victory for you is a majority of votes,

you're in the wrong country. Go to Germany where liberals are in the government. We are a minority party. For us, it is a victory if we get our two cents in. Boxer is doing that. That alone makes her a winner.

[dolstein]

52. Sorry, but I don't define victory downward

especially as a way of avoiding reality.

[TankLV]

42. So we should just shut up and sit down?

and give up and give them all a pass?

Do I understand you correctly?

They need to be bitch-slapped and slapped hard - for all the world to see.

CNN is actually talking about this - Condi looks BAD - like the unqualified, incompetantant window dressing she is.

This is a good thing.

Better to act out of ideals and the search for the truth.

Thanks, but your attitude as exemplified by this latest post illustrates perfectly why we lost and have been losing big time.

We don't need pink tutu dems who give up, shut up and sit down while they are evicerating us every moment.

[ulysses]

15. GOOD.

:thumbsup:

[Emboldened Chimp]

16. My only criticism of Boxer---

When Condi started waxing poetic about AQ being a different kind of enemy, and this being a "different kind of war", Boxer failed to mention that the Abu Ghraib prisoners were just common Iraqis swept off the streets.

[Al-CIAda]

18. She did mention it -she said 'they were set free the next day"....

But she didn't pose that point in a direct question in response to Liezza's non-answer.

[Emboldened Chimp]

20. She could have poked holes in Condi's answer...

by saying that the prisoners at Abu Ghraib should have been afforded the rights of prisoners because they weren't AQ. It was a moment that she let pass, but otherwise she kicked Condi's ass...again.

[Al-CIAda]

21. She also made it a point to say ALL senators approved the language (stress

)stressed McCain)...all great stuff...

But to your critiqe you are right that she should have stressed the HUGE distinction that Iraqis are IRAQ CITIZENS, not 'terrorists".

[justiceischeap]

19. She didn't say it plainly

But she did say that when she said all of these prisoners have been released.

[KoKo]

23. She will be confirmed...because of Repugs but our Dems Did GOOD!

Boxer, Sarbanes, Dodd, Obama and Kerry...they got to her good!

[Donailin]

47. I think since she'll be confirmed anyway

the dem senators dicide to give her the royal treatment.

Good. Tomorrow is another day.

[Dinger]

24. Somone Should Ask CONdi, Euphamistically, About bu$h's

relationship with her, or (God forbid) ask her if she knows about Margie Schoedinger.

[ClassWarrior]

29. Somone should ask CONdi, euphamistically, about Bush**'s balls.

His inaugural balls - what'd you think I meant??

<LOL>

NGU.

[JDPriestly]

30. Reference?

Sorry, who is Margie Schoedinger?

[Dinger]

53. Here Are A Few Links:

http://www.fortbendstar.com/Archives/2002_4q/121102/n_Woman%20files%20lawsuit%20against%20President.htm


http://www.opednews.com/thoreau1103bush_rape_suicide.htm

http://www.cherrylaldave.com/margie.html

http://www.chron.com/class/obits/archive/qsearch.hts?operation=getdoc&database=Obituaries%3B&databases=Obituaries%3BObituaries%3BObituaries%3BObituaries%3B&docid=76532&docids=76532%3B76200%3B76168%3B46566%3B&query=schoedinger+NOT+3:RSEC&pos=1&numhits=25&start=&type=&user=houston&sview=1&hview=2&dview=1

http://vestigialconscience.com/BushRapeSuit/margie-schoedinger.htm - more docs & other info

http://www.rense.com/general32/charged.htm (Has link to court documents - pdf file . . . interesting



Now watch people come to bu$h's defense. It's weird how whenever I bring this up, people tell me how crazy this is, etc., and to me anyway, they seem to rush to the defense of this bastard bu$h.

[bettyellen]

31. oh please she's enough of a horror without you starting with the

sexiist cave man bullshit.

[0007]

39. Hmmmmm

((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((gong)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


Back to the back of the room!
Spelling Bee tomorrow. *Hint two e's in that big word

[hollowdweller]

32. I really want to see some balls. A party line vote to confirm her!

[sellitman]

57. I agree

But it won't happen. We have elected weinies.
:shrug:

[madfloridian]

33. What were the countries she mentioned that we need to go fix?

There were 7.

[Sparkly]

34. I completely missed Boxer Round Two !!

Was there another mega-thread on it? Was she as powerful as she was in Round One??

[Guaranteed]

35. Oh, moreso. She ripped Condi apart on torture.

Had her saying two different things in successive sentences. It was brilliant.

[Sparkly]

38. I'm so sorry I missed it!!

Did she get a long period of time?? I'll definitely try to catch it on C-Span later...

[TrustingDog]

51. me too, missed it. arggghhgghghghghghghhhhh!

Saw the round 1 Boxer and That was breathtaking... ohboyohboy, round 2 sounds even better.

[Bake]

58. Cundy will be confirmed. But hurrah for Barbara Boxer!

I wish Boxer were my Senator.

She's one of damn few Dems with a backbone (I would say BALLS but that would be sexist). Biden says he'll vote for her. What a fuckin' wuss.

Crucify Condosleeza while the crucifyin's good.

Bake

[rodeodance]

62. Condi has her 'husband' and other neocons as a lifeboat.

[suegeo]

65. Condi will survive.

Dr. Rice will live through this and get a better job.
However, all her bungling will end up getting alot of other people killed. Terrorism is on the rise due to this woman's mistakes, and its us serfs that will pay the price.

[Tacos al Carbon]

67. Man, is that ever a misleading thread title

Unless "DEAD IN THE WATER" means "will get less than 98 votes to confirm" because you better believe that Rice will get over 90.