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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:38 PM
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Barbara Boxer smacks Condi down right out of the gate!!!
Boxer's first words were a rebuke for Condi's reply to Voinovich regarding the tsunami: "It was a golden opportunity for US to...."

Boxer told her basically that's NOT the kind of diplomatic representation we need...

Now she's on Iraq.

GO BOXER!!!
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:39 PM
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1. This is definitely going to be Boxer at her best.
n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:41 PM
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4. she wants to set the record straight-I do not know if that is possible
at this point!!!! as it has become SO distorted!! But I hope
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:40 PM
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2. She's on a roll!!!! I love her, i'm so glad she's my senator.
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:47 PM
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15. Can we trade? I'm stuck with the two a-holes....
Bond and Talent.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:52 PM
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37. Eeeekkk!!!! I'm so sorry!!!! But hell no i'm not trading.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:19 PM
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I'm with you chimpsrsmarter! She's a keeper!
:loveya:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:22 PM
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137. Impune what? Her integrity? Oh pleeaassse!
Gag me!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 02:00 PM
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177. Barbara Boxer refuses to believe anything out of Condi's mouth
Condi sez don't attack my statements as false and questionable. How dare you contradict me or my husband president, we walk hand in hand with Jays'us.

I never laughed so fucking hard in my life! When Condi said to Barbara Boxer not to impugn her.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:22 PM
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138. I've got McConnell and Bunning...joy
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:49 PM
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21. brag....brag!! Bummer, I have Wyden
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:35 PM
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158. Trade you one slightly used Coleman w/ extra brown-nose for her (nt)
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:39 PM
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164. Ugggghh coleman!!!! He makes me so fucking mad!!!!!
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blueblitzkrieg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:40 PM
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3. Brilliant!
I loved it, Barbara just clotheslined Condi!
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:41 PM
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5. She's definitely speaking for those of us who protested invasion of Iraq
refreshing to hear alternative voices...especially
from our representatives.

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phantomvotes Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:42 PM
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7. You go GIrl!
Barbara Boxer is on it!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:42 PM
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6. She will be the ONLY Senator to ask tough questions.
I hope she tells Condi about the 30,000+ citizens who signed her petition.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:53 PM
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40. i disagree i think other dems have done terrific
they built it to this. lugar letting it happen. think this was all ochrastrated. i think this is dem and some repug doing together. i think it is great

my thought, how are they going to talk it tonight. on msm

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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:00 PM
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74. Lugar DOES hate her guts n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:43 PM
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8. How dare she speak the fucking truth to this bitch!
The gall! The only Senator with any balls?
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:44 PM
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9. finally enticed me enough to tune in.
Yikes, the look Condi is throwing would freeze fire (or burn ice).
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:38 PM
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162. no kidding!
bad little condi :spank:
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:44 PM
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10. She is great!!!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:44 PM
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11. Boxer is calling her the LIAR that she is to the nation!!! woohooo
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 12:50 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
Barabara Boxer for President!....not even hillary would have the balls to speak truth to gov't!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:45 PM
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12. bravo barbara
she said condi sacrificed her respect for the truth to push this war. I feel like weeping with relief that one senator is speaking the plain truth.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:50 PM
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28. They allowed Boxer to continue minutes past her alotted time
Did anyone catch that?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:46 PM
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13. OMG!
She's reminding Condi of all the LIES she told in the march to war. She's so GOOD! She's going to throw her words back at her. :loveya: Boxer rocks!
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blueblitzkrieg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:47 PM
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14. Amen
Finally someone with the guts to hold Condosleazy responsible for her lies!!!

Boxer is a national hero
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:48 PM
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19. Boxer saying Condi on two sides of the issues and this does NOT serve
the American people. Go Boxer Go!!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:52 PM
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36. She is what the entire Democratic party should look like
Keep that in mind in 06.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:07 PM
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109. Second that!!
She is the standard that all others will be measured against!!

God, I love her!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:30 PM
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152. and 3rd that motion!!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:48 PM
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16. Boxer throws it down!
Reading her lies out loud...calling her on it...WHY is she the ONLY ONE?

Shades of Wayne Morse.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:49 PM
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24. "people are still dying" -saying Condi not doing much about this.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:48 PM
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17. I hope feinstein is embaressed by her display
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:05 PM
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100. nah
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:48 PM
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18. I'm so proud of our senator!
She's awesome!!
She's especially important to us because our congressman is a Republican. :puke:
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:48 PM
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20. Condi giving the evil eye....
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:49 PM
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22. Boxer is IN HER FACE about Condi's contradictions!

...course it won't matter in the long run.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:49 PM
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23. New American Hero!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:51 PM
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29. Condi says she was aware of the stakes and moans the dead
Condi is pissed off at Boxer-----
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:18 PM
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131. Moans the dead? You mean banshee style?
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:35 PM
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159. Did she really say that!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Lizardness coming out?
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Kevin Spidel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:49 PM
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25. PDA NEEDS A TRANSCRIPT!
please ... if you have it, send it to kevin@pdamerica.org!
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 04:05 PM
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189. Here is one...
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-011805...

Boxer, Rice Exchange Pointed Words


Following is a transcript of Sen. Barbara Boxer's remarks and Condoleezza Rice's response at Rice's confirmation hearing as provided by Federal News Service.

SEN. BOXER: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Dr. Rice, for agreeing to stay as long as it takes, because some of us do have a lot of questions.

And, Senator Lugar, you are a very fair chairman, and I wanted to say to the new members also welcome -- and you'll enjoy this committee, because we have such a great chairman and such a terrific ranking member, and we really do a lot of things in a bipartisan way, unlike other committees. And I think you're going to enjoy your time here.

Dr. Rice, before I get to my formal remarks, you no doubt will be confirmed -- that's at least what we think. And if you're going to become the voice of diplomacy -- this is just a helpful point -- when Senator Voinovich mentioned the issue of tsunami relief, you said -- your first words were, "The tsunami was a wonderful opportunity for us." Now, the tsunami was one of the worst tragedies of our lifetime -- one of the worst -- and it's going to have a 10-year impact on rebuilding that area. I was very disappointed in your statement. I think you blew the opportunity. You mention it as part of one sentence. And I would hope to work with you on this, because children are suffering, we're worried they're going to get in the sex trade. This thing is a disaster, a true natural disaster and a human disaster of great proportions, and I hope that the State Department will take a huge lead under your leadership in helping those folks in the long range.

Well, Mr. Chairman, again I thank you. I am -- Dr. Rice, I was glad you mentioned Martin Luther King -- it was very appropriate, given everything. And he also said, Martin Luther King, quote, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." And one of the things that matters most to my people in California and the people in America is this war in Iraq.

Now, it took you to page three of your testimony to mention the word "Iraq." You said very little really about it, and only in the questioning have we been able to get into some areas. Perhaps you agree with President Bush, who said all that's been resolved. I'm quoting today's Post: "Bush said in an interview last week with the Washington Post that the '04 election was a moment of accountability for the decisions he made in Iraq." But today's Washington Post/ABC poll found that 58 percent disapprove of his handling of the situation, to 40 percent who approve -- and only 44 percent said the war was worth fighting.

So in your statement it takes you to page three to mention the word "Iraq." Then you mention it in the context of elections -- which is fine -- but you never even mention indirectly the 1,366 American troops that have died, or the 10,372 who have been wounded -- many mentally, as a report that I read over the weekend that maybe a third will come home and need help because of what they saw -- it's been so traumatic to them. And 25 percent of those dead are from my home state. And this from a war that was based on what everyone now says, including your own administration, were falsehoods about WMDs, weapons of mass destruction. And I've had tens of thousands of people from all over the country say that they disagree -- although they respect the president -- they disagree that this administration and the people in it shouldn't be held accountable. I don't know if you saw the movie, "The Fog of War" -- war is a nightmare, you know that. Colin Powell I think was the most eloquent I've heard on it, because he's seen it himself -- he's been there and done it. And I don't want to have you in a circumstance where you're writing something years later about the fog of war. And I'm fearful if we don't see some changes here we're going to have trouble.

And I think the way we should start is by trying to set the record straight on some of the things you said going into this war. Now, since 9/11 we've been engaged in a just fight against terror. And I, like Senator Feingold and everyone here who was in the Senate at the time, voted to go after Osama bin Laden and to go after the Taliban, and to defeat al Qaeda. And you say they have left territory -- that's not true. Your own documents show that al Qaeda has expanded from 45 countries in '01 to more than 60 countries today.

Well, with you in the lead role, Dr. Rice, we went into Iraq. I want to read you a paragraph that best expresses my views, and ask my staff if they would hold this up -- and I believe the views of millions of Californians and Americans. It was written by one of the world's experts on terrorism, Peter Bergen, five months ago. He wrote: "What we have done in Iraq is what bin Laden could not have hoped for in his wildest dreams: We invaded an oil-rich Muslim nation in the heart of the Middle East, the very type of imperial adventure bin Laden has long predicted was the U.S.'s long-term goal in the region. We deposed the secular socialist Saddam, whom bin Laden has long despised, ignited Sunni and Shi'a fundamentalist fervor in Iraq, and have now provoked a defensive jihad that has galvanized jihad- minded Muslims around the world. It's hard to imagine a set of policies better designed to sabotage the war on terror." This conclusion was reiterated last Thursday by the National Intelligence Council, the CIA director's think tank, which released a report saying that Iraq has replaced Afghanistan as the training ground for the next generation of professionalized terrorists.

That's your own administration's CIA. NIC chairman Robert Hutchings said Iraq is, quote, "a magnet for international terrorist activity."

And this was not the case in '01. And I have great proof of it, including a State Department document that lists every country -- could you hold that up? -- in which al Qaeda operated prior to 9/11. And you can see the countries; no mention of Iraq. And this booklet was signed off on by the president of the United States, George W. Bush. It was put out by George Bush's State Department, and he signed it. There was no al Qaeda activity there -- no cells.

Now, the war was sold to the American people, as Chief of Staff to President Bush Andy Card said, like a "new product." Those were his words. Remember, he said, "You don't roll out a new product in the summer." Now, you rolled out the idea and then you had to convince the people, as you made your case with the president.

And I personally believe -- this is my personal view -- that your loyalty to the mission you were given, to sell this war, overwhelmed your respect for the truth. And I don't say it lightly, and I'm going to go into the documents that show your statements and the facts at the time.

Now, I don't want the families of those 1,366 troops that were killed or the 10,372 that were wounded to believe for a minute that their lives and their bodies were given in vain, because when your commander-in-chief asks you to sacrifice yourself for your country, it is the most noble thing you can do to answer that call.

I am giving their families, as we all are here, all the support they want and need. But I also will not shrink from questioning a war that was not built on the truth.

Now, perhaps the most well-known statement you've made was the one about Saddam Hussein launching a nuclear weapon on America with the image of, quote, quoting you, "a mushroom cloud." That image had to frighten every American into believing that Saddam Hussein was on the verge of annihilating them if he was not stopped. And I will be placing into the record a number of such statements you made which have not been consistent with the facts.

As the nominee for secretary of State, you must answer to the American people, and you are doing that now through this confirmation process. And I continue to stand in awe of our founders, who

understood that ultimately those of us in the highest positions of our government must be held accountable to the people we serve.

So I want to show you some statements that you made regarding the nuclear threat and the ability of Saddam to attack us. Now, September 5th -- let me get to the right package here. On July 30th, 2003, you were asked by PBS NewsHour's Gwen Ifill if you continued to stand by the claims you made about Saddam's nuclear program in the days and months leading up to the war.

In what appears to be an effort to downplay the nuclear-weapons scare tactics you used before the war, your answer was, and I quote, "It was a case that said he was trying to reconstitute. He's trying to acquire nuclear weapons. Nobody ever said that it was going to be the next year." So that's what you said to the American people on television -- "Nobody ever said it was going to be the next year."

Well, that wasn't true, because nine months before you said this to the American people, what had George Bush said, President Bush, at his speech at the Cincinnati Museum Center? "If the Iraqi regime is able to produce, buy or steal an amount of highly-enriched uranium a little larger than a single softball, it could have a nuclear weapon in less than a year."

So the president tells the people there could be a weapon. Nine months later you said no one ever said he could have a weapon in a year, when in fact the president said it.

And here's the real kicker. On October 10th, '04, on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, three months ago, you were asked about CIA Director Tenet's remark that prior to the war he had, quote, "made it clear to the White House that he thought the nuclear-weapons program was much weaker than the program to develop other WMDs. Your response was this: "The intelligence assessment was that he was reconstituting his nuclear program; that, left unchecked, he would have a nuclear weapon by the end of the year."

So here you are, first contradicting the president and then contradicting yourself. So it's hard to even ask you a question about this, because you are on the record basically taking two sides of an issue. And this does not serve the American people.

If it served your purpose to downplay the threat of nuclear weapons, you said, "No one said he's going to have it in a year." But then later, when you thought that perhaps you were on more solid ground with the American people because at the time the war was probably popular, or more popular, you'd say, "We thought he was going to have a weapon within a year."

And this is -- the question is, this is a pattern here of what I see from you on this issue, on the issue of the aluminum tubes, on the issue of whether al Qaeda was actually involved in Iraq, which you've said many times. And in my rounds -- I don't have any questions on

this round, because I'm just laying this out; I do have questions on further rounds about similar contradictions. It's very troubling.

You know, if you were rolling out a new product like a can opener, who would care about what we said? But this product is a war, and people are dead and dying, and people are now saying they're not going to go back because of what they experienced there. And it's very serious.

And as much as I want to look ahead -- and we will work together on a myriad of issues -- it's hard for me to let go of this war, because people are still dying. And you have not laid out an exit strategy. You've not set up a timetable.

And you don't seem to be willing to, A, admit a mistake, or give any indication of what you're going to do to forcefully involve others. As a matter of fact, you've said more misstatements; that the territory of the terrorists has been shrinking when your own administration says it's now expanded to 60 countries. So I am deeply troubled.

MS. RICE: Senator, may I respond?

SEN. LUGAR: Yes, let me just say that I appreciate the importance of Senator Boxer's statement. That's why we allowed the statement to continue for several more minutes of time.

SEN. BOXER: I'm sorry, I lost track of time.

SEN. LUGAR: But clearly you ought to have the right to respond. Then, at that point, we're going to have a recess. But will you please give your response?

MS. RICE: Yes. Senator, I am more than aware of the stakes that we face in Iraq, and I was more than aware of the stakes of going to war in Iraq. I mourn and honor -- I mourn the dead and honor their service, because we have asked American men and women in uniform to do the hardest thing, which is to go and defend freedom and give others an opportunity to build a free society, which will make us safer.

Senator, I have to say that I have never, ever lost respect for the truth in the service of anything. It is not my nature. It is not my character. And I would hope that we can have this conversation and discuss what happened before and what went on before and what I said without impugning my credibility or my integrity.

The fact is that we did face a very difficult intelligence challenge in trying to understand what Saddam Hussein had in terms of weapons of mass destruction. We knew something about him. We knew that he had -- we had gone to war with him twice in the past, in 1991 and in 1998.

We knew that he continued to shoot at American aircraft in the no-fly zone as we tried to enforce the resolutions of U.N. Security -- that the U.N. Security Council had passed. We knew that he continued to threaten his neighbors. We knew that he was an implacable enemy of the United States who did cavort with terrorists.

We knew that he was the world's most dangerous man in the world's most dangerous region. And we knew that in terms of weapons of mass destruction, he had sought them before, tried to build them before, that he had an undetected biological weapons program that we didn't learn of until 1995, that he was closer to a nuclear weapon in 1991 than anybody thought. And we knew, most importantly, that he had used weapons of mass destruction.

That was the context that frankly made us awfully suspicious when he refused to account for his weapons-of-mass-destruction programs despite repeated Security Council resolutions and despite the fact that he was given one last chance to comply with Resolution 1441.

Now, there were lots of data points about his weapons-of-mass- destruction programs. Some were right and some were not. But what

was right was that there was an unbreakable link between Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction. That is something that Charlie Duelfer, in his report of the Iraq survey group, has made very clear, that Saddam Hussein intended to continue his weapons-of-mass- destruction activities, that he had laboratories that were run by his security services. I could go on and on.

But Senator Boxer, we went to war not because of aluminum tubes. We went to war because this was the threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of a man against whom we had gone to war before, who threatened his neighbors, who threatened our interests, who was one of the world's most brutal dictators. And it was high time to get rid of him, and I'm glad that we're rid of him.

Now, as to the statement about territory and the terrorist groups, I was referring to the fact that the al Qaeda organization of Osama bin Laden, which once trained openly in Afghanistan, which once ran with impunity in places like Pakistan, can no longer count on hospitable territory from which to carry out their activities.

In the places where they are, they're being sought and run down and arrested and pursued in ways that they never were before. So we can have a semantic discussion about what it means to take or lose territory, but I don't think it's a matter of misstatement to say that the loss of Afghanistan, the loss of the northwest frontier of Pakistan, the loss of running with impunity in places like Saudi Arabia, the fact that now intelligence networks and law enforcement networks pursue them worldwide, means that they have lost territory where they can operate with impunity.

SEN. BOXER: Mr. Chairman, I'm going to take 30 seconds, with your permission. First of all, Charles Duelfer said, and I quote -- here it is; I ask unanimous consent to place in the record Charlie Duelfer's report --

SEN. LUGAR: It will be placed in the record.

SEN. BOXER: -- in which he says, "Although Saddam clearly assigned a high value to the nuclear progress and talent that had been developed up to '91, the program ended and the intellectual capital decayed in the succeeding years."

Here's the point. You and I could sit here and go back and forth and present our arguments, and maybe somebody watching a debate would pick one or the other, depending on their own views. But I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in the facts. So when I ask you these questions, I'm going to show you your words, not my words.

And, if I might say, again you said you're aware of the stakes in Iraq; we sent our beautiful people -- and thank you, thank you so much for your comments about them -- to defend freedom. You sent them in there because of weapons of mass destruction. Later, the mission changed when there were none. I have your quotes on it. I have the president's quotes on it.

And everybody admits it but you that that was the reason for the war. And then, once we're in there, now it moves to a different mission, which is great. We all want to give democracy and freedom everywhere we can possibly do it. But let's not rewrite history. It's too soon to do that.

MS. RICE: Senator Boxer, I would refer you to the president's speech before the American Enterprise Institute in February, prior to the war, in which he talked about the fact that, yes, there was the threat of weapons of mass destruction, but he also talked to the strategic threat that Saddam Hussein was to the region.

Saddam Hussein was a threat, yes, because he was trying to acquire weapons of mass destruction. And, yes, we thought that he had stockpiles which he did not have. We had problems with the intelligence. We are all, as a collective polity of the United States, trying to deal with ways to get better intelligence.

But it wasn't just weapons of mass destruction. He was also a place -- his territory was a place where terrorists were welcomed, where he paid suicide bombers to bomb Israel, where he had used Scuds against Israel in the past.

And so we knew what his intentions were in the region; where he had attacked his neighbors before and, in fact, tried to annex Kuwait; where we had gone to war against him twice in the past. It was the total picture, Senator, not just weapons of mass destruction, that caused us to decide that, post-September 11th, it was finally time to deal with Saddam Hussein.

SEN. BOXER: Well, you should read what we voted on when we voted to support the war, which I did not, but most of my colleagues did. It was WMD, period. That was the reason and the causation for that, you know, particular vote.

But, again, I just feel you quote President Bush when it suits you but you contradicted him when he said, "Yes, Saddam could have a nuclear weapon in less than a year." You go on television nine months later and said, "Nobody ever said it was" --

MS. RICE: Senator, that was just a question of pointing out to people that there was an uncertainty. No one was saying that he would have to have a weapon within a year for it to be worth it to go to war.

SEN. BOXER: Well, if you can't admit to this mistake, I hope that you'll --

MS. RICE: Senator, we can have this discussion in any way that you would like. But I really hope that you will refrain from impugning my integrity. Thank you very much.

SEN. BOXER: I'm not. I'm just quoting what you said. You contradicted the president and you contradicted yourself.

MS. RICE: Senator, I'm happy to continue the discussion, but I really hope that you will not imply that I take the truth lightly.

SEN. LUGAR: Let me intervene at this point. Now we've had four hours of good hearing, and we thank all members for their constancy. We're going to recess, and I'm going to suggest we come back at 2:30. Is that convenient for you, Dr. Rice?

MS. RICE: Perfect.

SEN. LUGAR: Very well. We recess until 2:30.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #189
198. Where Sen. Boxer says:
"Well, you should read what we voted on when we voted to support the war..." I thought I heard Sen. Boxer say "which I read, BUT MOST OF MY COLLEAGUES DID NOT."
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:49 PM
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26. Condi's chest is heaving...
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:49 PM
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27. Boxer said she has MORE lies Condi told
and will go into them in the other rounds of questioning. ;) This will be GOOD. Boxer is primed and ready. :bounce:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:54 PM
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45. Condi slams Boxer-says Boxer has impuned her integrity!! What
inegratity!!!

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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #45
98. At least Condi was listening.. that is exactly
what Boxer was doing!

Go Barbara!!!!
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toymachines Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:51 PM
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30. boxer is the best plotician alive. my opinion.
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 12:51 PM by toymachines
she is kicking ass lately. notice she called him george bush first, and then said president as an afterthought.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:51 PM
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31. Condi's credibility is impugned-GO BOXER!!!
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:52 PM
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35. Yeah, she acts offended for having her credibility impugned
But all Boxer did was point out her OWN LIES!!! If she cared about her credibility, she shouldn't have lied like a rug.

Now she's going on about peripheral stuff -- Saddam and UN resolutions, faulty intel, blah blah -- and has nothing to say to defend against all her contradictory statements cited by Boxer.
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #35
44. Sounds like * when he screwed McCain and McCain calling him out...
on the Larry King Show.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:51 PM
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32. I'm gobsmacked! Boxer was stunning!
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 12:53 PM by babylonsister
Maybe she'll help other dems to grow a backbone!
Boxer left me breathless with those quotes of Condi's.
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:51 PM
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33. Condi is not answering the question
as to why she lied.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:51 PM
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34. Holy crap that was the best thing ever!!!!!
Rice looked like she was going to puke and now she trying to get through her response. Lugar let Boxer go over her time........what does that say?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #34
46. I wonder if Boxer is the designated hit-lady?
She was the ONLY Senator to stand against the Ohio EV and now she's the ONLY Senator to hit Condiliar on all her lies. Maybe she's the chosen hit-lady for the Dems?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:57 PM
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59. She's the heavy lifter of the day for sure
I can't wait until the actual question round from Boxer.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:28 PM
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147. Maybe it's because there's zero chance of her losing her seat.
They can let her be the trial balloon for the new combative Democratic Party stance, and if the reviews are good, then they will throw down.
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:52 PM
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38. CondiLIAR said for Boxer not to impuge her intregrity
Condiliar.....DOES NOT TELL THE TRUTH. She is a liar and she has no intregity. She knows that and so does everyone on that panel. BARBARA BOXER SHOWED CONDI'S LIES.....AND those lies are sticking in her mouth. Barbara............GO GET HER!!!
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msgadget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #38
47. Without ever refuting the contradictory statements,
and instead going on and on (and on)...

Oooph, Boxer was reader for her with the reports - Go Boxer! I had little faith in anything substantive being accomplished today but this is turning into a little somethin' of a battle!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:52 PM
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39. tell me about the "mushroom cloud" condi bitch!!!!~!!
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:53 PM
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41. Condi is rattled. Her voice is quavering.
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 12:53 PM by IMModerate
--IMM
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phantomvotes Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:55 PM
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49. She just stated
" Saddam threatened our interest ".
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #41
52. This woman is the WORST possible choice for SOS...
even putting aside all her lies, etc. She cannot handle stress, challengers without sounding like she is about to cry. That is going to instill confidence and credibility with the world? NO WAY!
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:05 PM
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99. She doesn't have the skills to be on the front line.
Does GWB know what a diplomat is?

--IMM
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:53 PM
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42. Condi: how can you say I lied( I still respect truth) Then: Sadam/911 BS
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:54 PM
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43. LIAR LIAL LIAR....NO ONE BELIEVES YOU ...WHO WILL EVER BELIEVE YOU AGAIN?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:55 PM
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50. Boxer not taking Condi lying!! go Boxer!!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:55 PM
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48. Is anyone else's CSPAN cutting out periodically?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:56 PM
Original message
Not mine.
:shrug:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:56 PM
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55. mine's not. Do you have bad weather? n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:56 PM
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57. Condi now defending Bush--as ususal!! te he--condi is indignant!!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:55 PM
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51. BB tearing Condi a new rectum
oh yeah
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #51
79. CA DUers please take the time to email Boxer
She is kicking ass and needs our support

http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:56 PM
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53. Boxer - WMD was the reason - not "freedom" - don't change subject
Condi - we gave many many reasons - now we pick.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #53
58. Saddam was paying suicide bombers to attack Israel?
If they were so concerned about Israel, then why did Arafat die a free man of natural causes while?
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RuleofLaw Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #58
157. Actually what Saddam did
was to pay the families of suicide bombers $25,000.00 in relief.

I would not call that paying suicide bombers.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #53
155. very seldom see this mentioned on TV--all the rationales to choose
from. yes, see it in alternative press/internet but not on regular TV!!
Condi certainly did not want this rehearsed today--She was angry!!
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hangemhigh Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:56 PM
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54. Checking in and nothing to add 'cept GO BARB! nt
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:56 PM
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56. Boxer Rules!
Watching Condi reveal herself as a stuttering liar is priceless.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:57 PM
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60. "you quote Bush when it suits you" Boxer to Condi
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:59 PM
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65. don't impune my integity--says Condi 2x to Boxer (boy is she pissed off)
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blueblitzkrieg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:57 PM
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61. I have CHILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Boxer, I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:58 PM
Original message
Link to Bush's AEI laundry list speech 2/28/03
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #61
73. I bet Condi's limo driver is hearing cuss words he's never been exposed
to in his life before. That woman was pissed! Go Barbara, thank you for being a Senator.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #73
135. is she on her way to the WH to consult with Rove -in her limo??
te he
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:58 PM
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62. darn...just when Condi was looking ready to cry
break.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:58 PM
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63. Barbara Boxer is a Democratic HERO!!!
It is so amazing and so refreshing to hear someone speak the truth to and about these criminals!!!!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #63
120. Boxer is an American Hero!!
eom
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #63
146. will someone please nominate Boxer in '08?
thanks. She's the only one with balls.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:58 PM
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64. Condi thinks it's a "discussion" - no dear, it's an investigation
and whether you're happy or not!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:59 PM
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66. Boxer "IMPUGNED HER INTEGRITY????"
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! NO CONDILIAR! YOU did that all by yourself!!! Fucking wench!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #66
77. Andrea Mitchell said "Boxer was so in her face" first time have a real
discussion about the rationals (plural) for the war!
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #66
93. Oh, the Audacity to doubt her Veracity
"Senator, do not impugn my integrity."

That was a most beautiful thing. So glad I tuned in to catch it.

Thank you Senator Boxer!
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #66
105. that Boxer is awesome! Amazing fearless woman!
Why is she the only one with such stones? Erm, guess we'll have to rename that phrase to 'labias' or something.
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #66
166. Boxer replied
"I'm not. I'm just quoting what you said. You contradicted the president, and you contradicted yourself."

Rice then babbles that Boxer should not "imply that I take the truth lightly."

Lugar "intervenes" (his word) and they recess for lunch.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:59 PM
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67. Barbra Boxer A True American Hero
Thank you Barbra for calling Condi on her lies!!!
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ferme ta bush Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:59 PM
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68. What's Boxer's Phone Number? Let's all call in support!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:59 PM
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69. Boxer is going to be thraxed by BushCo
Get her some extra protection fast.
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #69
179. yeah, I love her, but now I fear for Boxer's life
no private planes for her from now on!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #179
194. I Thought That Too
She might want to stay away from state dinners, political events with food and drink (dioxin, etc.)
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:59 PM
Original message
Down goes Condi! Down goes Condi!
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 01:00 PM by quiet.american
(I've sneaked C-Span.org on at work -- talk about a gloves-off smackdown! Go, Boxer, go!)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:01 PM
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84. No. She's not going down...
Because there are not enough senators like Sen. Boxer.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #84
103. Don't take me too literally! n/t
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:14 PM
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123. How are you seeing this?
My C-Span link says no Condi until 2pm. Why can't I see this live. Arggghhh!
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #123
126. Right -- they're on break -- tune in at 2pm :) n/t
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 12:59 PM
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70. WOW! Boxer did a great job! n/t
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:00 PM
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71. WHOO HOOO!!!
That was one Beeeeyoooootiful SMACKDOWN!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:00 PM
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72. Sen. Boxer did not impugn Rice's integrity....
Rice impugned her own integrity with her lying.
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. Ain't that the truth
nt
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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #72
80. Absolutely right
You can't impugn what is not there.
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #72
82. yea man...
Condi was rattled by that one...YEA SEN. BOXER...!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:01 PM
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85. agreed-lets savor the moment
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #72
91. Precisely -- they can't HANDLE the truth
and as usual, they want to shame the Democrats into shutting up for the sake of supposed "Politeness." GOOD for Boxer for not backing down!!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #72
195. Wouldn't CONdi Need Integrity In The First Place For It To Be
impunged?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:00 PM
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76. They will be back at 2:00 Eastern for 4 more hours.
Man, I hope I don't miss Boxer's next round!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:01 PM
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78. call in call in call in!!
make sure the side of the angels gets airtime during the recess!!
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pookieblue Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:01 PM
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81. Dayum... You go girl!
I think that Boxer nearly had Condi in tears!
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:01 PM
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83. Barbara Boxer is a real leader of the Democratic Party
She should be the role model for the rest of the elected officials in this party.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:03 PM
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90. both Boxer and Kerry said they reserved the right to vote against Condi
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:07 PM
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107. I am so proud of Boxer
At last - a Democrat with a backbone and some piss and vinegar in her veins. She is going to need serious, serious cover for this attack on "democracy, freedom and the United States." Can't you just hear the neocon repugnants this evening in the news cycles? We have got to have her back and demand the rest of the committee start asking the hard questions.

Anybody notice how Tweety and Mrs. Alan Greenspan quickly moved off the topic of Boxer's questions onto Kerry back at work? MSNBC is shilling big time. You would have thought after almost four hours of testimony the big story of the day was that Kerry was back from his world tour.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #83
151. Barbara Boxer rocks. Let's just leave it at that. No coattails.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:02 PM
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86. Husb2Sparkly just called me from the car
where he was listening to this on the radio. All he said was:
"If it were possible, I'd want to have Barbara Boxer's baby." Haha! :D
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:03 PM
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Whatta guy!!! nt
:)
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blueblitzkrieg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:02 PM
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87. Andrea Mitchell defending Condi and the argument for WMD
stupid corpWH0RE
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:02 PM
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88. Sen. Boxer is truly
a person of integrity and should go down in history as the truest patriot of our time. :bounce: :toast:
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:02 PM
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89. How can you impugn something
you never had?

Run crying to your husban . . . er, boss . . .
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:04 PM
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96. I do not think Condi saw Boxer coming at her ahead of time!! do you?
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 01:31 PM by rodeodance
Condid seems taken off guard!!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:05 PM
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104. funny... WE did!
We had most of the text of her opening statement yesterday! (I wonder why KKKarl didn't get her a copy)
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:14 PM
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122. There was plenty of warning.
The "don't impugn my integrity," gambit was thought out in advance. Wonder what they have in reserve. This bunch has not shown itself to be good at thinking ahead.

--IMM
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:19 PM
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132. wonder if Condi is enjoying her lunch??
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:46 PM
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172. Har har!
"Mmmm... crow."

:evilgrin:
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:03 PM
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92. you can still sign her petition re Rice hearings
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 01:07 PM by medeak
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:04 PM
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97. did you know your personal info
is on there when I clicked the link...?

you might want to fix that...
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:08 PM
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112. thanks!
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sfbrent Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:06 PM
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106. Easier petition URL
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:21 PM
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136. Thanks for the link....
signed and donated :bounce:
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:03 PM
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94. Boxer is one of the last remaining democrats.
The rest are dead...the party is dead.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:13 PM
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Boxer...
... proves you don't have to have balls to have balls.

I wish we could clone her 50 times and replace all of the mealy-mouthed, equivocating, milktoast, chicken littles who have infested our senate.

THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:04 PM
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95. Anyone have Sen. Boxers contact info?
I just want to thank her.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:08 PM
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111. Here ya go!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:15 PM
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125. thanks, I just sent her an email of thanks
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #111
196. Damn!
I wanted to send her my thanks, but I'm from Wisconsin & it said if we are from another state, to send it to our senators :-(
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 06:50 PM
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197. Boxer Should Partay Tonite - She Sure Deserves It!
:party:
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:05 PM
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101. I'm still in awe of the truth on TV ... KUDOS to Boxer
I just loved it loved it loved it!!!! I wish Boxer had an hour or two to go head to head with that lying "itch!!!

And for those of us who are bemoaning that Boxer doesn't represent us cause we're not in CA. Maybe we can't vote for her, but senators are there to support all of us throughout the country as opposed to Representatives who are there for more local interests. She's my Senator too even if I'm in TN and can only vote against Frist. Although it will be my biggest joy to vote against him when he's up for re-election.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:14 PM
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121. and we can support her by donating to her campaign as well
Even though I'm in TN She standing up for all Americans. She's a real hero.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:05 PM
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102. SEN BOXER GETS TO RESUME HER QUESTIONING AFTER THE LUNCH BREAK!
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 01:07 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:07 PM
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110. wow, how long is the break - can't wait!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:09 PM
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114. wonder if Condi is conferring with Bush and Rove?
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #114
149. 'security threat' coming up to save Condi?
Clear the Building! Clear the Building!

hahahah.
it's not so unbelieveable is it?
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:42 PM
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167. LOL -nt
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:11 PM
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118. They will be back at 2:00 eastern. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:08 PM
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113. thanks for that info, i did not know that.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:11 PM
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117. the coolest, she can calm down a bit, refocus
and go after her again, lo lol. she got mad, bah hahahah
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:16 PM
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127. Will they be starting with Boxer or do they have to do a "round"
and go to other people? (I wish all the Democrats would just defer to Boxer and let HER handle this!! Watch and learn, boys!!)
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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:07 PM
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108. We in California are proud of you Barbara!
:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:
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Maiden England Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:09 PM
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115. Lets be fair, Condi, didn't lie....
when she said she had not lost respect for the truth....

...how can you lose something you don't have in the first place.

Arrogant. Incompetent. Liar. Perfect qualifications for a Bushco SoS.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:27 PM
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145. About the only time too. What a convoluted way to say it too!
"I respect you, but don't love ya anymore"
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:11 PM
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116. Wow...listening to it on radio
You can really hear the catch in Condi's voice...and the anger. She really sounds incredibly self-righteous. Someone who actually watched it...what was Condi's face looking like? Was there actually steam rising out of the top of her head?

Sen. Boxer, we adore you!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:13 PM
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119. She looked like a satanic chipmunk
giving birth to a rabid porcupine.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:17 PM
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128. So not really much different, huh?
;)
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #119
130. Yes, Indeed! Her lips were curling just like The Grinch...
Go Boxer! :spank:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:24 PM
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141. LOL!
Thanks, Senator Boxer.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 02:51 PM
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185. ROFLOL!!!!!!!! Yeah she did look just like that.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 03:27 PM
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188. Spine-backward n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #116
129. it is meant to silence the opposition (don't impune my integrity")--but it
did not work with Boxer.
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #129
133. Wish the rest of them would show as much fire as Boxer
That is exactly what is needed....people with fire to actually stand up to them when they get so indignant and offended, instead of trying to play nice all the time.

A is for Accountability.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:15 PM
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124. Wahhhh! What happened to Sweet Polly Purebread?
I'm soooo proud that Boxer is my senator! No BS with her!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:23 PM
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140. She got a bee in her bonnet and that 'bee' was Boxer:-)
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 04:16 PM
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191. BBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
Lovin' it! :loveya:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:20 PM
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134. That's my Senator
Thank goodness for Senator Boxer .
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:22 PM
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139. You DU's in Calif.
better build a statue of your Sen. Boxer. She sure deserves it. This country deserves to remember her as a true Senator representing all of us. :kick:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 04:17 PM
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192. Now there's a good idea...
Thanks!
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:24 PM
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142. Boxer is now the #1 Dem in my humble opinion.
We need to get a big push behind Boxer for 2008. Boxer either needs to be the Vice or Presidential nominee she is the only one with any backbone and brings the truth out in fact finding reports.
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:24 PM
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143. does anyone know if CSPAN will replay this, so those of us
who missed it, can watch? Also, which CSPAN station was it on? I am hoping that Boxer will come back just as voraciously after lunch... Does anyone else wonder if anyone else on the panel knew how pointedly she was going to go after Condi? Does anyone else wonder if Boxer will be told to tone it down? I hope she goes after her with all she's got, but I am wondering. Usually, those guys have lots of back room meetings before any of this goes to air. I would think so anyway. Just my humble opinion.
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #143
153. yes...they said there will be a repeat broadcast...
not sure when but they did say they would re-broadcast the entire hearing...

You have to see it...Boxer nailed Condieliesa's boney ass to the wall...!!!

Boxer: "You contradicted yourself..."

Condi: "booooooohooooooooo"
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:33 PM
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154. oohhh,, thank you! I will look for it this evening... n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #143
156. i think i read 8 PM eastern time it will be replayed on c-span
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lavenderdiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #156
163. Thanks ElsewheresDaughter, for the additional info!
You've made my life easier, I don't have to scrounge through the TV Guide! :hi:
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:45 PM
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170. Check www.c-span.org for schedule. Boxer started 1hr35min into it...n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:26 PM
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144. You Californians had better just watch out --
-- because some of the rest of us are at this hour conspiring to kidnap one of your U.S. Senators.

We are jealous that Barbara Boxer is not OUR senator.

And we're willing to steal her away.

Barbara Boxer is the new Helen.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:28 PM
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148. That's right -- I think we should write to all of our D. senators and say:
"Watch and LEARN."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:29 PM
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150. I will write to Feingold-although I think he also did well.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:36 PM
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160. Yes. Many Democratic senators could learn from Boxer,
and I feel that this is the kind of public service I can learn from, too.

I am REALLY inspired by her example today.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:41 PM
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165. With all due respect Old Crusoe...
stay the hell away from our gal...take some comfort in knowing that she is working for ALL of us today! I don't blame you...EVERY STATE NEEDS A TRUE BOXER!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:46 PM
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171. Fooj, I'm blinded by love and I'm comin' after her.
I don't want no trouble now. Just need Senator Boxer and then I'll be moseyin' on.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #171
190. Kinda hard to get over that "lovesick" stage, huh?
Everybody has a dream... PEACE!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #190
193. And peace to you, too, fooj.
good wishes.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:37 PM
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161. Barbara needs a food taster, armor vest, no sm. plane travel

and we should send a ton of flowers to her office. Gold ones.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:43 PM
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168. We've got her back here in California!
I've never been so proud...(except on the 6th, of course!) :bounce: :bounce:
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:44 PM
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169. Media list
thank goodness I asked mods for it a few days ago...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

am hammering away for Boxer....
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:48 PM
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173. I'm mailing a link to this thread to Sen. Boxer's office...i think they
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 01:50 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
should see just how respected and loved her values and stance on this issue (Condi's confermation to SOS) on this board is.

maybe we should all mail a link?
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:49 PM
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174. Hockey chant!
CAAAAHHHNNNN-DIIIIIIIIIII!
CAAAAHHHNNNN-DIIIIIIIIIII!

That was refreshing...
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:52 PM
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175. Will be repeated on CSPAN at 8 pm ET
5 pm Pacific

b_b
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 01:59 PM
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176. Hey, Babs...
You should play this on your laptop for Condi when you resume...

http://www.hategun.com/features/mistaken/index.html
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 02:06 PM
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178. Unlike*, Boxer really got a huge mandate in November. She got
the 3rd highest vote number of any Senator in history.

Oh yuck, McClellan is on.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #178
180. Attention: C-Span back on live @ 2:35 PM! n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 02:37 PM
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181. the bastards made sure we missed Sen Boxers continued questions at 2:00
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 02:41 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
c-span just resumed at 2:30 and purposefully so that Boxer would not be seen...i am so angry and effing disgusted :puke:
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #181
182. Is that what happened? Damn them.
I'm at work watching/listening online. I missed the first part. I made sure to log back on at 2pm to see Boxer's remaining questions. All I got was Scotty Boy while the C-Span site said 2pm Condi hearings. I am pissed.
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 02:44 PM
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183. Before the break I think they said they'd resume at 2:30 est
So I don't think we've missed anything---I hope not! There will be a repeat tonight.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #183
184. I will be in front of the TV @ 8 pm.
I really want to see Boxer take on Rice. I'm also curious to see and hear Kerry. I've neither seen him nor heard him speak since Nov. 2, 2003.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #183
186. no they (c-span) said resume at 2:00 but asscrack and WH press briefing..
Edited on Tue Jan-18-05 03:04 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
was used to prempt the hearings that just so we would not see nor hear anymore of the TRUTH and save condi/bush from further humilation

see post #118 .....also heard and read 2:00
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-18-05 03:09 PM
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187. Luger said 2:30
When they recessed.
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