If Dean doesn't get nomination -- Take Action!

[Strapping Buck]

Alright, no panicking here for Dean supporters. It is early and there is a long way to go until the nomination is officially made. So this is purely hypotheticaly at this point.

If Dean doesn't get the nomination, I say we organize a massive write-in campaign the likes of which this country has never seen. We could get enough write-ins for Dean to beat the shrub AND whatever republican-lite candidate the Dems might nominate.

This can be done. We have to believe.

[Padraig18]

1. Sorry--- NO SALE!

I am ABB---period. I will support the nominee of the Democratic Party.

[returnable]

7. Thanks!

A voice of reason! :toast:

[fishguy]

2. Any Dean supporter who does this should be kicked out of the part

Yeah, Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.
What did Dean ask in the debate?
Would everyone support the Democratic nominee, no matter who it is?

[bryant69]

30. Dead on

I have to admit I am not rooting for Dean, but I think he's got enough sense to know that this is a terrible idea.

I mean if you want to shoot yourself in the foot, do it; but don't shoot the country in the foot out of spite.

Bryant
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[Walt Starr]

3. That's my plan

Has been for some time.

If the Democrats don't like me voting for Dean, fuck 'em, I'll still vote for Dean.

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[Bucky]

22. Pssst, hey Phelan. Don't feed it.

Real Democrats who say nobody but Dean will come to their senses in their own good time. Those who won't we won't have to worry about.

[Phelan]

51. Its the truth though

I've come to a new appreciation for my yellowdog friends

[afraid_of_the_dark]

4. I like Dean as much as the next Dean supporter...

but I'd be afraid of splitting the vote between Dean and the Dem candidate - thereby handing the election to Bush. Sorry, but I'm not prepared to do that!

[GalleryGod]

5. What Insight!

:silly: :crazy: :nopity:

J.A.R.K.

[leyton]

6. What issues make the other candidates Republican-lite?

The candidates have nuanced positions on the IWR and the Patriot Act and I'll bet if you took a close look, you'd find that they were well-reasoned and well-intentioned. Of course, if you just look at the votes they cast, you'd never know it. The candidates also have firm liberal records on other issues.

Dean, by the way, is a centrist. To me, that's not a fault. He was pro-business in Vermont and believes firmly in gun-rights.

What makes Dean so virtuous?

[GumboYaYa]

8. Give it up....

I don't think Dean would want people to waste their time on something like this.

[PVnRT]

9. Yes, let's divide the party

That's the way to win the White House!

[LTR]

10. Well, my vote has to be earned

And anyone who stands the best chance of beating Bush has earned that. Including Howard Dean, if he actually has a chance.

[deminflorida]

11. Well after that display last night, maybe everyone should write in

his name in Crayon.

Please, don't try and split the party...Whatever Dean is doing, he's doing it to himself. The good and dedicated people who are following him should not be the reason for all of us to have to suffer another four years of Bush. We need you....it's that important.

Last night was tough, but there will be other days ahead.

[no one in particular]

12. You know who what wants this done, don't you?

The freepers have said over and over that if Dean doesn't win, they want to spark a write-in candidacy to split the vote.

I'm not accusing you of being a freep, but such a scenario would be a freeper wet dream.

[leyton]

13. That's assuming

roughly a third of the country supports Dean, a third supports Bush, and a third supports the other Democrats.

I don't think so.

[Hep]

14. Perhaps you are right, it depends on who gets the nomination

n/t

[mmonk]

15. You are free to do so

but I think if he doesn't get it, he will suggest where to put his support.

[Walt Starr]

16. Dean will do as all have done

and endorse the winner should he lose.

But no other Democrat will have my endorsement.

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[Stuckinthebush]

Easy on the name calling...

I don't agree with Walt on this one, but he is far from a moron.

[FreeperSlayer]

29. Call 'em like you see 'em!

What else could you possibly call someone who thinks a third party candidate is a good idea?

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[Bucky]

18. Karl Rove told me to tell you "thanks"

The check is in the mail. Unless this is meant as parody, and then you just put one over on me.

[Stuckinthebush]

Dean would kick your butt if he heard this!

Sorry, I had to throw in a Dean anger thing. ;)

But seriously, Dean would not approve of such a scheme. He has mentioned a few times that he will fervently support the eventual nominee.

I think we should all follow his lead on this one.

[Bucky]

24. He'd kick your butt while reciting state names, in fact!

I'm sorry. That was uncalled for.

[Stuckinthebush]

27. *snicker*

I am just picturing that one.

Alabama! *blam*

[michaelbmoore]

19. Thats Crazy!

And just what Rove wants. Please don't give it to him on a silver platter!:crazy:

[edzontar]

23. I would only consider bolting like this if it was Clark

The way i feel right now, i could NEVER vote for that man.

[bowens43]

31. I feel the same way about Clark

but instead of a write in for Dean I'll be casting my vote for the Green or Socialist candidate on the ballot.

[mmonk]

37. Nice

I don't feel the same way about Dean. I'll vote for him if he is the nominee. I'm ABB that has the best chance (no third party this time due to the need to try the best way to change the power in the White house).

[bowens43]

41. Some of us don't see a Clark victory as a change of power. n/t

[mmonk]

44. not biting

[mikehiggins]

58. Well, we'll miss you in November

Buh bye!

[edzontar]

63. It is all hypothetical, of course...

Because i am certain that the general will not be the nominee--not by a long shot.

[bowens43]

25. If Dean can't win the primary

you think that he can win the general election with write in votes? That's silly. I'm a Dean supporter , but count me out.

[Loonman]

26. Split the voting pool

That makes sense.....


Nader?

[LynneSin]

28. A Dean write-in candidancy? No thanks, I don't want another 4 yrs of Bush

I'm the biggest Dean supporter and believe me, if he does not get the nomination I will not support him as either a 3rd party candidate OR a write-in candidate.

Let's be realistic folks. Dean would become the Ross Perot of 2004 and sink the democratic candidate, allowing Bush to win.

Dean is young enough that he can try again in 2008 or 2012. Let's not commit political suicide by making him a write-in/3rd party candidate.

[AntiCoup2K4]

32. I will not vote for anyone influenced by PNAC

So hopefully, Iowa was a fluke.

[On the Road]

33. Not Only Would I Not Participate a Write-In Campaign

I would actively oppose any attempt at a third-party candidate.

On Edit: I'm a Dean supporter from the beginning. And Dean himself will oppose such a movement if someone else proposes it.

[Kira]

34. No way!

I love Dean, and will support him all the way. If he does drop out I will then support Clark first. But in the end I will support with all of my passion the Democratic candidate. We must win back the White House. We cannot split our votes and resources.

[Sir_Shrek]

35. I don't know if I'm ready to support Dean to that extent yet....

n/t

[bigwillq]

36. Let's be reasonable

I support Dean and plant on voting for him in my state's primary but if he doesn't get the nod then it's all about beating Bush. I will support any of the other DEM candiates, no matter who gets the nod. I agree with the others that we can't spilt the party. I feel the party is already split with the amount of candidates there are still running. Although good for the party that there's so many qualified people out there, I fell us DEMs will have a better chance at beating the Shrub if we all stick together.

[digno dave]

38. now now

Calm down. I know you are a bit angry about reality setting in over in Iowa. Everything will be alright and you WILL vote for whoever the Democratic nominee ends up being. If you were ever a real Democrat you will eventually come to this conclusion once your blood pressure
gets back to normal.

[beyurslf]

39. Um yeah...

Let's make sure we split the liberal vote and ensure another Bush term for 4 years. Surely civil liberties, women's rights, the environment, the economy can stomach it if we can.

[NashVegas]

40. This is Just Silly

Howard Dean supporters have no reason to engage in this particular line of hypothetical thinking. If his supporters weren't willing to work within the Democratic party framework, we'd not even bother to vote in the primaries.

[Killarney]

42. Do that... if you want Bush to win.

Everyone should support the Democratic candidate.
For the greater good of the country.

[Northwind]

43. Damn straight

This is exactly what will happen if Dean is not nominated.

Nominate anyone but Dean, and you guarantee 4 more years of Bush.

NBD '04.

[DinahMoeHum]

45. Stupid move, SB. The bottom line, first, last, and always is. . .

ANYBODY BUT BUSH/CHENEY !!!!

Fellow Dean supporters in my area have said that even if Howard doesn't get the nomination, they will still pull the lever for whoever's the Dem candidate.

Eyes on the prize, folks! Eye of the tiger.


:kick:

[quaker bill]

46. Removing Bush comes first always

Dean himself agrees with this. This diehard Dean supporter will vote to remove Bush, regardless of nominee.

[papau]

47. like be Green-cut your own throat to show you bleed?-silly -ABB is the way

Why is this considered more than a freeper troll?

No one at DU is going to guarantee a Bush victory in 04 by running a Dean 3rd part effort.

[Don Claybrook]

48. The intent of this thread is obvious

I don't think too many Dean supporters have been fooled by this thread.

[K8-EEE]

49. I Will Vote For Whoever Wins The Nom!

Dean hasn't won it; he isn't entitled to it, he has to win it just like all the rest.

[JNelson6563]

50. Terrible plan

Dean stands no chance as and Independent. No one does at this point. Counter-productive strategy IMO.

Julie

[cosmicdot]

52. oh, ya'll Yellowknife Democrats

seriously, are you an American in Canada or a Canadian in Canada?

[Strapping Buck]

56. American in Canada

I have been living up here for about the last 10 years.

[bloom]

53. no n/t

[Strapping Buck]

54. Aside from the particulars concerning Dean...

This country will NEVER embrace truly liberal ideas, and will ALWAYS be a country club for big business and special interests until there is a viable 3rd Party. The Dems always move to center to appeal to all those folks in the red states. And the Repugs keeps moving the center further to the right.

It's time for a revolution, and only a viable 3rd party can make it happen-- at least IMHO.

[John_H]

55. EveryDemocrat should read the original post

this is the mindset that takes hold when "the movement" takes prescedent over "the man."

[goodhue]

57. ABB

What happened to ABB?

[Zomby Woof]

59. Is this anything like Draft Gore?

:eyes:

[Walt Starr]

60. Nope it's more like

Give us a candidate we can feel good about voting for or just plain fuck off.

[DrBB]

61. So Dean can be the Nader of 2004! Yay! "We have to believe...

...that Dems are the biggest idiots on the planet!"--was that what you meant to say?

[Walt Starr]

62. I've lived under the Bush regime for 3 years and survived

I no longer fear Bush.

I will only vote for a candidate who can give me some hope, not one who will play on my fears.

[TreasonousBastard]

64. Heh!

I trust that most Dean supporters are Americans, Democrats, and in opposition to Shrub before being simply candidate supporters.

Aside from this being a silly and fruitless gesture (I doubt it would actually get all that much support and affect the election significantly)anyone contemplating it might want to look at what happened to just about every third party and independant candidate in history.

To start a writein campaign for Dean is likely to consign him completely to the bottom of the dustbin of history. Not exactly what anyone wants is it? I don't much like the guy, but I don't want him destroyed. I think he is valuable and can undoubtedly continue to contribute if his supporters don't carve him up before his opposition does.

[CreekDog]

65. If Dean Can't Win The Demo Primary, How Can He Win The General?

Doesn't make much sense. He is strongest with Democrats.

Besides, he's running for the party nomination. He should support the nominee, whether it's him or somebody else.

[Walt Starr]

66. He can't

but it doesn't mean I have to vote for whomever does.

I fear the party continuing on the same road it went down in 2002 more than I fear Bush getting another four years.