Please, don't give me the boot for asking this question.

[MellowOne]

First, I young without the experience and knowledge of most of you. So maybe this is hocus-pocus or old news, but a friend is filling my head about the New World Order, the Illuminati and the Bilderbergers. He says they control the world and nothing we do can stop them because they have so much control. Comments?

[CatWoman]

1. all your illuminati are belong to us

[Beetwasher]

11. LOL!

Hail Eris!

[Maple]

2. Rubbish

or to be more accurate: bullshit.

[Warren DeMontague]

3. fnord. n/t

[donheld]

4. Nice try, i give it to you

I'm not totally sure it's rubbish.

[Nikepallas]

5. I've heard those stories too but I honestly believe those folk - - if they

do exist- - would deal with BUSHCO or even be dumb enough to put BUSHCO in power.

[norml]

6. There is some interesting information to be found on those subjects

but I would be sure to cross check everything. There is much we can do, even against the most powerful of the many associated gangs, and gangsters.

[txaslftist]

7. Who really needs them?

I don't think the paranoid delusional references are based in firm reality, any more than I believe the rapture or Armageddon are on the way....

But do we really need to be afraid of these shadow-phantoms? Aren't the real bad guys enough? I'm a lot more worried about where the Reichwingnuts are taking us than I am of any plot by the Illuminati.

[w4rma]

8. …

HALIFAX, Nova Scotia — President Bush yesterday challenged international leaders to create a new world order, declaring pre-September 11 multilateralism outmoded and asserting that freedom from terrorism will come only through pre-emptive action against enemies of democracy.

In his first major foreign-policy speech since his re-election, the president set out an expansive second-term agenda with three distinct goals: reforming multilateral institutions, prosecuting the war on terrorism and spreading democracy in the Middle East.
…
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041202-122549-7793r.htm

March 6, 1991 (extracts). This speech has often been cited as the administration’s principal policy statement on the postwar order in the Middle East.
…
"Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a "world order" in which "the principles of justice and fair play ... protect the weak against the strong ..." A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfil the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations.

The Gulf war put this new world to its first test, and, my fellow Americans, we passed that test."
…
http://www.al-bab.com/arab/docs/pal/pal10.htm

Illuminati = ultra-wealthy insiders. There is nothing mystical or magical about them. Just a bunch of very very wealthy, very political people who avoid being on the news like a plague. And they *definitely* would like you to believe that they can't be stopped. But their vision of the world appears to be unsustainable as it is a very unhappy world that nurtures rebellion and war.

[rman]

17. right. NWO isn't even a secret

--

[rman]

18. nor is Bilderberg

the only thing we are allowed to know is who goes to the meetings, and that they talk about very important stuff there. stuff that affects all of us.
it's just that we aren't allowed to know exactly what things they talk about and what they say about those matters.

[DireStrike]

19. never mind.

[genius]

9. PNAC

In 1998, half the pro-war gang Bush has working for him sent a document to Clinton calling for a U.S. militarily-controlled world. They called their group Project for a New American Century.

Bush I gave his New World Order speech on 9/11/91.

[ragin_acadian]

16. yeah, and what i find most suspicious about the PNAC letter,

is the call for a "new pearl harbor" to get americans to endorse the conservative agenda.
new pearl harbor? i wonder what they could have meant?......

sounds like norquist-ese for taking CIA trained islamic guerillas, and teaching them to fly in florida.

hey MellowOne,
check out whatreallyhappened.com - they have some good information on the faking of the nick berg beheading, the fake osama we saw just before the election that was never investigated for authenticity, mossad/CIA involvement in 9/11 as well as....well, just go check out the 9/11 archives, it will blow your mind.

i don't put much stock in bilderburgers or illuminati, i think that is just bread and circus crap put out by elements of the u.s. gov't to divert attention away from the REAL conspiracy's like PNAC, and using direct or indirect American military might to make sure the rest of the world falls in line for the global blueprint designed by corporations, and implemented by their politicians.

[MellowOne]

29. Thanks for the link

Lots of information!

[burrowowl]

32. Welcome to DU, young Mellowone!

commondreams.org is a good site and on the lefthandside click on Zmag and the Onion and Ironic Times to keep a sense of humor.

[THUNDER HANDS]

10. well, in a sense its correct

I mean, a very small group of people do control most everything. They would be the heads of the defense industry, the media, and the armed forces and those who seek to keep things the way they are.

Wether these people are the Illuminati or the Bilderbergs or what not, I don't know.

But there are puppet masters out there, I honestly believe that. Its their world and we're just paying rent in it.

[Beetwasher]

12. Now You Did It! You Named That Which Should Not Be Named!

You will be visited soon and dissappeared forever! You should never have gone there. Such a waste. Tsk tsk. They're coming for you as we speak.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. Bury $1,023.23 in a wooden box (not Metal!) in the back yard...

and one of our underground agents will contact you shortly.

[WillyT]

13. After My Illuminaughty Super 8 Projector Broke, I Switched To VHS !!!

Now I'm tryin out DVD!

:evilgrin:

[CatWoman]

14. hey you!!!!!

:hi:

I'm peeing my pants here :D

[WillyT]

15. LOL !!!

Hey Beautiful!!!

How ya doin?

:loveya:

[Stinky The Clown]

20. The New World Order is the **Glitterati** not the Illuminati.

The real leader is Sir Elton John.

No one but a sequined man in a duck hat can lead this world and you know it. Why were you asking that question? To throw us off?

I bet you think Liberace is dead, too, dontcha? Admit it! You do. Right?

And what about Elvis? Huh? Didja ever think of that? Huh? Didja?

I thought not ......

[kentuck]

21. How did a young person like yourself learn to spell "Illuminati" and

"Bilderbergers"??? :)

[Warren DeMontague]

23. That's so Adam Weishaupt.

All the cool kids know they're now referring to themselves as the
"Illumiburgers" and the "Bilderrati"

[0007]

22. Second one I heard say the same thing today!

[MsMagnificent]

25. I've read some very compelling things about Bilderberg

Eye-witness, very credible.

as for the other's, who knows? I don't.

However, to put in more of a Catch-22; it behooves they who ARE in a group such as that, to make it seem more ridiculous,
overblownly so.
That's the kind of game the Bushie's play all the time, you all know that!
Just go to bilderberg.org -- it's so outrageous you tend to discount the entire thing.


What I DO know is Skull and Bones is real.

There most obviously ARE such a thing as secret societies.

Oh... and I don't know if any of you guys have noticed this, but is Bill Clinton's affect the same as whet we used to know?
He's so closed off now. Inscrutable, and that wasn't one of his synonyms before...
I've never seen him in a tight-lipped, inscrutable "The Universe is enfolding as it should" like so many fat cat CEO's and billionaires and even some politicians...

And Yep.
He was at that "meeting"
in Europe,
in a closed off hotel, --4 star of course!--
with other past heads of nations and very rich men
that some are convinced was the Bilderberg.

So? Is there a connection?
God I hope not. And of course it could be one of a million other things... just something is changed.
And of course it's FAR from only him!

I'll see if I can pull up that article -- it was in print, not online, so don't know if I can find it here online or find it in RL.

[MellowOne]

30. bilderberg.org DANG!!

Scared the holy crap out of me! I want my mommy!

[bemildred]

26. So if there is nothing we can do, what are you doing here? nt

[JaneEyrez]

27. Research, not derision is required.

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with
a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists".


J. Edgar Hoover, former head of the FBI

It is an unsettling thought that almost every important decision made by our government, financial and military leaders is made in secret for reasons not shared with the rest of us. It is so unsettling that most of you will choose to poke fun at the possibility, but you'd be amazed how much solid and scholarly information there is available that this is the case and has been for a very long time. Yes, it makes one feel betrayed and powerless, but it also makes you angry at the manipulation and control that is now being utilized against us. Our media no longer stands as a power to investigate corruption and malfeasance. So we are on our own. Don't look, because what you see will make you very unhappy.

[yodermon]

28. Can you source this quote

it might be my new fave :)

[Obviousman]

31. Check the back of your dollar bill

I honestly dont believe in any of this. It makes for a good scary story, but not much else.
William Donohue