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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:18 AM
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New RW target: Interracial sex
To make your mark on the RW these days, you have to be pretty far out there.

This guy, Sam Francis, is actually distributed by a major syndicate. David Brock at Media Matters has launched a campaign to get this racist column about the Great Monday Night Football Sex Scandal spiked:

http://www.vdare.com/francis/041126_football.htm

Here's why:

Like the Jackson-Timberlake performance, the Owens-Sheridan ad was interracial and brazenly soif only morals and taste had been the targets, the producers could easily have found white actresses who are less obviously Nordic than the golden-locked Miss Sheridan, but Nordic is what the ad's producers no doubt wanted.

For that matter, if you only wanted to take a swipe at morals and taste, you could find a black woman to rip her towel off or replace Mr. Owens with a famous white athlete (there are still a few).

But that wasn't the point, was it? The point was not just to hurl a pie in the face of morals and good taste but also of white racial and cultural identity. The message of the ad was that white women are eager to have sex with black men, that they should be eager, and that black men should take them up on it.

< snip >

But the ad's message also was that interracial sex is normal and legitimate, a fairly radical concept for both the dominant media as well as its audience.


Here is Brock's letter to Creators Syndicate:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200412070002
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:24 AM
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1. it's time for some morals and values purging in this country ...
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 10:24 AM by NVMojo
get rid of the racists, religious whack jobs walking around, newly empowered by the Chimp. Oh, wait, we must eject the chimp first ...oh, wait, first we gotta get a legal voting system in this country. We are so third world, we can't seem to get that right either. That's what we get for non-electing a bastard like Karl Rove to "behind the scene" OZ.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:52 AM
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8. I heard Will Pitt say that we are fighting a political war on 20 fronts
you just listed a few
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:30 AM
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:37 AM
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3. When I first saw that commercial...
...the only thing that bugged me about it was the cross-marketing of MNF and "Desperate Housewives". (I'm just burned out on all kinds of marketing). When I saw that the commercial had turned into a controversy and was being reported on day after day, I thought to myself, "Oh, now I know why". The guy who wrote this column may very well be a racist but I suspect that his attitude is shared by an unfortunate number of others and is at the heart of why this whole thing became a "controversy" to begin with.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:41 AM
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4. If they are targeting inter-racial sex, Jeb Bush is in trouble
Isn't his wife Cuban?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:39 PM
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21. She is Mexican
And Asian Elaine Chao has a caucasian husband....

Uh-oh!!! Let's not even go into the robot-Stepford union in the highest corridors of power!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:02 PM
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62. didn't you get the memo?
interracial relationships are a-ok when there's a white man involved.

:eyes:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:54 PM
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101. Phil Graham, asian wife; William Cohen, black wife
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 05:31 PM by DesertedRose
and both Republican, white males.

*Interracially married Deserted Rose*

On edit: My gosh, we can't have black & white mixed kids running around here! They'll end up like....like...

BARACK OBAMA, for pete's sake!!!

:eyes:
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:42 AM
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5. Don't forget that many 'southern' states had anti-interracial marriage
laws on the books until 1967. Arkansas was one of them and it took the Supreme Court to rule against those laws. It's all about Chimp's base!
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:12 AM
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12. I agree--we've got to worry about Rove playing to 'the base' and its racism
especially now that Dubya's illegitimate incumbency has won him a second term.

One of the few things to be glad about in Dubya's first term was that there were two African American men in the room for most Cabinet meetings. Now that Powell and Paige are on the way out, there will be fewer internal checks on the ingrained racism that helped get most of the remaining Cabinet members where they are today.

Now we've got to really worry about the KKK wing of the Republican Party getting its moment in the sun.

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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:02 AM
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86. It's not just with African Americans and Indian Americans ...
When I look back, my best friend's suicide in second grade affected me deeply.

I was in an American (USA) sponsored grade school in the country of Singapore. My best friend was a little boy who lived next door. All Americans were contractors and their families at the time (60s).

My friend was half Japanese on his mother's side and half British from his father's. Every day the children would cruelly tease him about his Japanese heritage. One day he skipped school and committed suicide by throwing himself in front of a speeding bus.

Yes, with all the present race-baiting by the republicans, for the first time in my life, I fear for my country.
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KuTava Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:07 AM
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91. Race-baiting?
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 10:09 AM by KuTava
I know Repuglicans are racemongering chimps, but I thought they did a good job of covering up their true nature in the past year, by manipulating the media into not covering it I suppose. (Until this article!!!!) What did I overlook?
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:43 AM
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6. Well he's right about one thing...
The morals in this country sure are lacking. Racism, religious predjudice, homophobia, hatred of anyone different than you, etc.
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kslib Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:50 AM
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7. WTF!?!
"Breaking down the sexual barriers between the races is a major weapon of cultural destruction because it means the dissolution of the cultural boundaries that define breeding and the family and, ultimately, the transmission and survival of the culture itself."

Is this guy for real!?!

:crazy:

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:55 AM
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10. yes this guy is for real
i just went thru a google search on this guy. check my post-these guys also have a tax exempt foundation
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:34 PM
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50. It's time we start exposing their tax-exempt, blatantly political
foundations, which Brock does an admirable job of in "The Republican Noise Machine."

Heritage and AEI are merely the tip of the iceberg.

Which one of these is Francis affiliated with?
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:12 AM
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11. What year is this????
Good night Charlie Brown...this cupcake would no doubt have a cow if he saw some of my friends, a wonderful interracial couple at my church with whom I'm playing in a worship team group. Excellent musicians, and they have a wonderful daughter who is absolutely stunning (I bet she grows up to be a monster musician as well.) What a horrid bigot...sad thing is there are an awful lot of people out there who eat that vile hateful spew right up. Grrrrrrrrrrr....

TP
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:34 PM
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70. Yes he is - and he's becomming more and more representative of the average
repuke and at the same time less and less of any Democrat.

That's the underlying point that's below the surface.

But we don't EVER want to attack the repukes as the party of racism and bigotry. No. That's not "polite".
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:46 PM
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72. Der fuhrer says
Ve must breed de Aryan soldiers to defend ze Fazerland from ze outsiders...

No, seriously. If you read white supremecist propoganda, it's the duty of every white man to marry a white woman and father lots of white soldiers to fight in the upcoming racial/holy war.

Women are valuable because they breed Aryan soldiers. If a white woman has mixed-race children, they are the natural enemies of the Aryans, and she is spawning her own destruction.

This is also what Hitler was on about.

Way crazy, but this is how these people think. They're all about preserving the integrity of the white bloodline, and if you look at them, they're people who need some outbreeding DESPERATELY. Outbreeding and dentistry.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:53 AM
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9. the exact same message
at all "aryran nation" websites.white women are traitors to their race if they fuck a nigger. these slugs get away with with saying this cause they are "educated" and "respectable" and use all the right "code" words. me, i prefer the people at stormfront-they don`t hide behind code words,they tell you just exactly what they think
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:35 AM
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13. Must be related to this guy....
"Intermarriage between whites and blacks is repulsive and averse to every
sentiment of pure American spirit. It is abhorrent and repugnant. It is
subversive to social peace. It is destructive of moral supremacy, and
ultimately this slavery to black beasts will bring this nation to a fatal
conflict" - Rep. Seaborn Roddenberry (R-GA) in 1911 on a proposed
constitutional amendment forbidding interacial marriage.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:52 AM
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14. How very republican. n/t
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:01 PM
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15. "White racial and cultural identity"

Jesus.

Shut up, you pin-dicked Klan goon.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:05 PM
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16. I thought this issue was settled years ago!
Is this what they're up to? Resurect all the old issues they were never really happy with?
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:17 PM
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17. Yep...
I don't think people really have an understanding of just how far back this administration wants to take this country. I'm American-African. Married to a Caucasian woman. I plan to have a political career, but with what people are saying here it seems like a good portion of America is stuck in the past. This is very, very disturbing to me personally. Profoundly. Puts me back to thoughts of leaving this country.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:21 PM
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18. It is very disturbing
and to me personally, too. I am a Caucasian woman married to a West Indian man. We have several friends who are also in "mixed" marriages of similar and other configurations. I have one brother married to a Phillipino woman, and another married to a Latina. This is downright frightening.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:12 PM
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65. hi!
:hi: i'm a ww also involved with a WI man at the moment and know lots of similar couples in my community. also, my sis is married to a mexican american man, one of her sons is married to a korean woman, and my own oldest is married to an armenian woman.

we have a regular united nations:)!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:49 PM
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23. A lot depends on where you live.
I'm 61, and I remember a lot of the attitudes from back in the 50's & 60's. I lived in Pgh, Pa then, and although there was racism, it wasn't anywhere near as bad as it was in the south. There was very little interracial dating or marriage, and the children from the few marriages suffered a lot of harrassment. Over the years, that seems to be over in the north, but not so in parts of the south.

I live in Ga. now, and lived in SC for 6 years. I think it's going to take several more decades for the racial problems to go away around here. Most of it is hidden now, but these folks won't even let go of the Confederate flag! I can only hope that when the older generation dies, the younger people won't have these feelings.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:08 PM
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64. where do you live?
don't leave the country just yet...but which state you live in is important to your family's happiness.

i was married to an aa man, divorced now, and have an extremely well-adjusted biracial son. we live in california, a haven for ir couples and families. at my job, i am one of at least 3 ww with biracial kids. the other two women are still married. i've never had either of them relate any racial problems to me.

viva la difference!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:05 PM
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63. of course
deconstruction is what they want. take us all back to the fifties....well, FUCK 'em!
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:01 PM
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80. assuming that the don't want to
repeal the emancipation proclamation and all other antislavery laws and amendments. :evilgrin:
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:23 PM
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19. I hate to advocate violence
but I married an Hispanic and my kids are now interracial so if this twit comes within striking distance of me I will take his self-righteous, holier than thou, attitude and shove down his throat and yank it out his ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:13 PM
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66. amen, brother!!
n/t
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:15 AM
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92. Here is the product of my interracial marriage
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 10:15 AM by Maestro
and thanks Shanti.





Pretty scary, uh? Stupid racists!!!!!!!!!
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:48 PM
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99. your kids are adorable
peace~!
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:35 PM
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106. Thank you
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:12 PM
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104. WONDERFUL
they're BEAUTIFUL people! :-)
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:37 PM
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107. Gracias
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:36 PM
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20. Bush 1 running for re-election was the whole reason I got involved...
HippieKid was 1 year old and I was an unwed welfare mom, in college. We don't go to a mainstream church and she has a permanent tan. I knew at some point if that crazy fuck got re-elected, we would be targets for Gitmo, so I found the local Clinton/Gore office and signed up.

12 years later .... the fundies are finally getting around to us.

HippieKid's bright, critical thinking, bleeding heart liberal just like her mom.


http://www.iuploads.com>



:hippie:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:49 PM
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27. Cute, too. You must be very proud. n/t
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #20
43. Your daughter is gorgeous.
And a Dean fan too. You've raised a good kid!
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:48 PM
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46. Thanks to both of you !
:) I kinda like her :)



:hippie:
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:15 PM
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67. great pic, hippiechik!
thanks for sharing...
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:34 PM
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77. hee hee how cute! Great pic!
Love that shy but happy pose. She looks like she's thinking, "wooo, Mom, this guy is reallly important, huh? And I'm standing next to him! Wowwwwwww!"

I think I'd be thinking the same thing! :D
lucky kid
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:17 AM
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93. I don't think you have anything to worry about.
Anybody opposed to that beautiful child is nucking futs!!!!!!!!!!!
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ernstbass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:40 PM
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22. Isn't Clarence Thomas married to a caucasian woman?
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 02:10 PM
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24. I think so.
He also got into college thru affirmative action.

Republicans, both whites and self-hating blacks, always show their true colors at one point or another.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:47 PM
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38. yes
and he married Rush Limbaugh to his last wife - Marta.

Marta? hmmmmmmmmm...............
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 02:17 PM
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25. OMFG!!!
I just read the column finally.

"But the ad's message also was that interracial sex is normal and legitimate, a fairly radical concept for both the dominant media as well as its audience."

Not normal??!!! According to who's standards? The white slaveowners? Strom Thurmond? Hate to break it to this guy, but lust is colorblind, and when you're not talking about racists, so is love.

I'd like to see how much black blood he's got in him, seeing as mixing of so-called races has been going on for a very, very long time, and there are very few people without another race somewhere in their bloodline.

Vdare.org doesn't look all that mainstream, though. It looks to me like some "white pride" site the racists use to look moderate.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:44 PM
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30. Vdare is definitely RW
But this loser columnist is being distributed by Creators Syndicate (according to Media Matters), which is quite large and mainstream.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:47 PM
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45. What's this "dominant media" comment?
I stopped watching MSM "news" a couple of years ago at least, but as a designer I love shows like "Trading Spaces" and "Clean Sweep" and a bunch of others. There are a lot of inter-racial families out there, and these are real people, not ads or fictional shows. Once again, the RW nuts are far behind the curve. This IS what America looks like!
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:02 PM
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47. Don't tell him that.
His head might explode.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:46 PM
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26. Just look at this guy:


Jesus. No wonder he has issues. His wife probably ran off with the gardener.

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:51 PM
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28. What woman would prefer a handsome black athlete to him?
Just about any of us.....

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #28
34. I'm a heterosexual man...
and I'd sure as hell prefer a handsome black athlete to that guy.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:18 PM
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68. it's the 'angry white guy' syndrome
the same ones who go to eastern europe and asia to find girls (yes, girls). american women won't have him, so he must import his bride.
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Quill Pen Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:35 PM
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36. Now that just ain't pretty...
Honestly, I'm at a loss. What would you say to this guy on a first date? "Nice combover?" "Oooh, I love the way your jowls jiggle when you're railing against the decline of the white race?"
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #26
73. Nice Hitler haircut there buddy...
Where's the 'stache?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 04:53 PM
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29. You know what's funny?
I saw that commercial (in a clip on the internet not on TV) and the fact that she was white and the guy was black did NOT even register with me on any conscious level until I read what this guy spewed out.

Skin color is just not a factor for me in anything.

What sad little lives people like that must lead. Truly....sad.

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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:57 PM
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40. Same here.
I didn't understand the controversy until some people here pointed out it might be because it was a white woman and a black man.

I guess I just didn't estimate how backwards these pathetic shitheads really are.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 04:18 PM
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69. Maybe I'm a bit naive
but it didn't come to my mind right away.

I just thought, "oh it's the sex thing...stupid puritanical freaks".

But I see it's once again about racism. Wow these people are still living in the 19th century.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:46 PM
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31. Hopefully this AP story is just coincidence
CLEVELAND (AP) A person who has sent threatening letters denouncing interracial relationships to some NFL players and other prominent black men now is targeting high school athletes, authorities said Thursday.

St. Ignatius and St. Edward, two Catholic high schools in Cleveland with well-known sports programs, received threatening letters addressed to student athletes, FBI special agent Bob Hawk said. St. Ignatius received eight letters on Nov. 30. St. Edward received two letters last week.

< snip >
Over the past two years, 60 such letters have been sent to at least six NFL players and other well-known black men across the nation, including civic and business leaders. None of the recipients has been identified.

The mail, postmarked from cities in northeastern Ohio and Pennsylvania, criticized interracial relationships and directed the men to end such relationships or theyre going to be castrated, shot or set on fire.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:05 PM
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32. those who did the mailings need to ask themselves
why make such a stink about someone you could never have?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:29 PM
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35. I think you just answered your own question. n/t
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:00 PM
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102. Something similar happened when Kobe was in the news
Flyers being put on cars in Eagle, CO admonishing white women to stay away from black men....
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:21 PM
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33. I disagree with Brock this time
We need to make this column the symbol of Republicans everywhere. He can be their Sister Souljah or Murphy Brown.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:41 PM
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37. Bob Jones college....W in 2000...ban on interracial dating
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:54 PM
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39. they're just upset because they can't get any of that
'forbidden fruit' themselves without paying for it
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:59 PM
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41. THis RW Fucktard must really have his lace panties
in a bunch over bush and Condi...

RL
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:19 AM
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88. Naw! Having an attractive Black mistress is the ultimate in classy ...
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 09:20 AM by ElectroPrincess
Check out it's prevelance in New Orleans during the 1800s.

It doesn't get anymore disgusting than that. :(
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:35 PM
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105. Mistresses are just fine.....
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 05:36 PM by DesertedRose
just don't "legitimize" the relationship with marriage....

remember the scene from the movie version of "Black Like Me?"
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:00 PM
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42. Interracial gay sex will no doubt
be a capital crime soon :mad::grr::mad:
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:33 PM
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44. Why only interracial? let's ban sex all together and be done with it
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:27 PM
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:45 PM
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52. Hmm...I wasn't aware that Bulworth was the platform of liberal thought.
I don't think anyone in the Democratic Party honestly believes that Utopia can be achieved by "fucking each other and fucking each other until we're all the same color."

The point made in the movie was that people's color is used to divide them in superficial ways, when the only meaningful and logical way to divide people is by class. Divide us by race and pit us against each other in order to keep our class structure safe from reproach. This is how the Republican Party has operated in the past, and was a hallmark of Nixon's Southern Strategy.

Martin Luther King was killed when he started fighting class warfare from the bottom up and speaking out against this philosophy of superficial division.

This is very well-articulated and thought out racism, and you have obviously spent a great deal of time on it. I think you ascribe motives to us that are not our own.

I think Democrats and liberals support a left of center government, not an extremist Utopia achieved by any means necessary.

I appreciate that you have spoken your mind and have taken great care to respond accordingly. Constitutional principle dictates that it should be allowed to be said, even if your logic disgusts me.

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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:48 PM
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53. Please look in the mirror, and read your last sentence aloud.
:freak:


:hippie:
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:48 PM
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54. Miscegenation -- West Coast vs East Coast
But race mixing is a fashion of a fundamentally different nature than bellbottoms and mullets. Miscegenation is FOREVER. Have you ever considered the possibility that the day may come when miscegenation is no longer fashionable? Horrors! What are you going to do, put your mixed race kids in the attic next to your parents' bellbottoms? You'll be stuck with them, and that's the cosmic joke being played on you by the gods who despise the "fashionable" types almost as much as I do.

I don't know what part of the country you live in or where you are from but I can tell you from about 30+ years of living on and off the west coast (now I am on the west coast for good) that interracial relationships out are more frequent at all levels of society.

Miscegenation was once a crime until the 60's, and it was more of an issue with the East Coast/South than on the West Coast.

Now if the people like Sam Francis has his way and thinks it's possible to criminalize miscegenation, then the "left coast" might as well secede because it's so diverse and racially mixed we'd all be illegal!
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:59 PM
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55. Whoo
Miscegenation as fashion statement, never heard that one before. I don't think there's any danger of our kids suddenly finding themselves on the downside of the fashion curve, though. For one thing, the nation will have to undo the decades of happy cross-pollination that's been going on, can't be out of step if you're in the majority. That'll take generations of strict enforcement. And of course, some prime specimens of pure racial stock will be needed to reseed the natural order -- I suppose then, you're here to offer your services as a purebred stud? Is that what this is? Lonely white male seeks harem for God, Country, and the Future of Mankind?
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:15 PM
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56. Good comedy.
Funny stuff! I bet you kill at parties.:eyes:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:21 PM
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57. Remember, there's nothing more dangerous than stupid people who mean well.
You got that right!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:34 PM
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58. Is that a brown shirt or a sheet you're wearing?
Racist sewage at it's most nauseating and ignorant.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:57 PM
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60. Interesting
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go find a mullet-wearing black man willing to violate me and as many white girls as I can find in twenty minutes while we smoke dope and listen to what the media marketing industry tells us to.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:29 PM
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49. This is a loser issue for them.
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 03:22 PM by tasteblind
I know of plenty of interracial couples that vote Republican. Just like the gay marriage issue, they are biting the hand that feeds them, and unlike banning gay marriage, this won't play well with anyone except their loony fringe.

Edited to note: There goes one now!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 02:39 PM
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51. Thanks to my husband and me, survival of the culture is doomed.
Breaking down the sexual barriers between the races is a major weapon of cultural destruction because it means the dissolution of the cultural boundaries that define breeding and the family and, ultimately, the transmission and survival of the culture itself.

May this man burn in hell. I suppose he's got a name for my mixed -race son, too.

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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 05:35 PM
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71. Haven't they ever heard of hybrid vigor?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 08:30 PM
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79. Apparently not, but if my 7 yo is an indication, they WILL! nt
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:43 PM
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59. This guy use to write for the Washington Times and Townhall
so they can't claim he's 'fringe.'
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 03:59 PM
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61. These people should stay far away from Hawaii
This state is THE ultimate melting pot of races...first the Hawaiians, the Haoles (Whites), then Chinese, Japanese, Portuguese, Filipinos, South Pacific Islanders, Southeast Asians, Europeans, Australians, Blacks, & Hispanics are all in the mix. Oh, I recently met a Lebanese man, so we have Middle Easterners too.

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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:00 PM
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74. There was a time when protestants and Catholics couldn't marry
what the hell is wrong with these people?

I'm a strong supporter of inter-racial sex...and any kind of sex. I think the real reason Republicans are so miserable is because they just aren't getting laid.

Nordic? Sheridan sounds like an Irish name.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:05 PM
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75. Leave me alone, Sam Francis.
I'm an Orthodox Jew, 48 and I live with a British-African woman who is 28. Oh, I married, but my wife left me after our son was born. My significant other and I have lived together for 10 years. We are not interested in your asinine world view, but we do know the REAL reason you attack innocent gays and lesbians is because you want to come after us next.

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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 06:25 PM
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76. Same racist bullshit
just replace the white hood with a B/C 04 sticker.
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 07:40 PM
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78. So which is it? Creationism or Evolution?
Sam Francis says, "Breaking down the sexual barriers between the races is a major weapon of cultural destruction because it means the dissolution of the cultural boundaries that define breeding and the family, and ultimately, the transmission and survival of the culture itself."

That sounds suspiciously Darwinian to me.
Tsk Tsk Tsk. If I didn't know better, I'd think they didn't have any consistent philosophy, but were merely interested in whatever argument of convenience furthers the narrow, regressive flavor of the moment.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:43 AM
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:36 AM
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82. I got Chinese, Spanish, and Inca Indian blood in me, My wife got
German, English, Irish, and Cherokee. Our kids look great, their brains intact but future clouded by this early movement to return to the past.

The picture of this guy should itself be banned as it is nauseating to the skinnys. He needs some serious bowflex time to get fresh dates.. as it is, prolly has to pay to get off.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:50 AM
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83. Oh, please, do go on...
explain what he has in common with the "far-left" (first, I guess a definition of what you consider to be far-left... the term gets used in a relative sense around here often)... because in my brief read of this guy - I don't see the similarity.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:54 AM
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85. See below, salin. I know that DUers expect evide to accompany wacky
allegations, so I provided some.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:51 AM
Original message
Bullshit. Francis is a member of "Townhall," a notoriously
political RW "think tank" foundation with TAX-EXEMPT status.

On DU we expect facts to back up wacky allegations like yours.

If you think Francis is LW, take a look at his favorite hangout:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/samfrancis/archive.shtml

Oh, yeah, welcome to DU. Yeah.

No beer for you, though.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:51 AM
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:05 AM
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90. In my brief review of Francis's articles, I see two major themes:
complaints that Bush isn't conservative enough, and a number of articles about immigration, purity of race and the shameful (and daannnngerrouuussss danger Will Robinson) trends towards blurring race/culture divides. He lashes at minority races and their failure to appreciate the true ethics of hard work and equality for all that "Anglos" brought to the New World as their very own personal cultural heritage.

To get a better idea of Francis's ideology, I did a very little investigation, and found Mr Francis devoting one whole article to praising Samuel Huntington's "The Challenges to America's National Identity". Here is a snip from Amazon.com's ed. review of that book:
<snip>
Despite its clinical tone, this book is an aggressive polemic whose central argument-that America, at heart, has been and in many ways should remain a Christian, Anglocentric country-wouldn't be out of place on many a conservative radio station. The author seeks at length to prove that the American Creed, which he defines as a Protestant-influenced ideology modeled on the British system, was the founders' original intent and remains America's best course. He then turns to many of the usual subjects-the imperiled primacy of English, the dangers of immigration and multiculturalism-to make his case. He argues that a growing divide between the patriotic working class and "denationalized elites" will lead to internal fissures. Where those findings can lead is another question. For instance, he predicts a movement of white nativism. This movement while not "advocating white racist supremacy" would still believe that the "mixing of races and hence culture is the road to national degeneration."
<end snip>

Francis also wails about the poor treatment ("gang rape" to use his description) by critics of the book "The Bell Curve", 1994, Hernstien and Murray. Herewith, a sample from one review.

<snip>
Whites are smarter than Blacks, not because they choose to be it's in their gene pool. This argument is not based on racism it's based on genetics according to Hernstein and Murray. If we take this so called objective argument a step further we will eventually stumble along a rather simple but obvious conclusion. According to Hernstein and Murray, whites are smarter than blacks and high intelligence (or IQ) has a strong correlation with success, and low intelligence has a strong correlation with crime, poverty, illegitimacy, and welfare dependency. Therefore the intelligent, most objective stance for the government to take in this country would be to eliminate social action policies like affirmative-action, welfare, head-start, etc. This in a nut shell is the basic premise of the late Richard J. Hernstein and Charles Murray, authors of the controversial book THE BELL CURVE.
<end snip>

So there you have it, a small sample giving an idea of Mr Francis's sympathies. I glanced at several of Francis's articles and I can say that intellectual-sounding polemics about whites needing to protect themselves against the threat of immigration (specifically brown races) infects his entire *snort* "ouvre".
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:47 PM
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97. Just to clarigy; the deleted message was just a dupe of my other message!
I don't want anyone questioning my DU credentials here! :hi:
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:03 PM
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98. nope, I've read enough of you to know your credentials are unimpeachable!!
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 02:04 PM by FizzFuzz
I just thought you would appreciate my thoughts there.

:hi:

hmmm, peach...shame that a nice word like peach gets a bad rap by being in the middle of a powderkeg word like that....
oo, sorry, stream of consciousness attack....
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:09 AM
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87. and you guys notoriously try to distance
yourself from your own wackos by throwing up erroneous suggestions that align them with us... but with no explanation as to why. Francis's work isn't getting carried by left leaning publications or esites... so even if he isn't affiliated officially with the GOP... his views are being promoted by GOP mouthpiece orgs... suggesting sympathy/agreement with his views.

Per the "you guys" comment... refering to your own self-claimed affiliation in your profile.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 09:56 AM
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89. Here's to "deleted message's" ONE sorry post!
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 09:58 AM by blondeatlast
Now let's have a beer!

:toast:

And a round for the Mods as well...

:toast:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 11:21 AM
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94. I really wish this guy would get some publicicty
But, because of "liberal media", he doesn't.

Recently, especially after reading Thomas Franks terrific book What's the Matter With Kansas?, I have started becoming aware of the most underlying reasons for why we lose.

And, this article is a great example.

If the media were truly liberal, this guy would be all over the place.

All I see on the news is conservative commentators chosing fringe issues pushed by a very small group of people on the left, and then using it to paint the entire progressive/liberal mindset with a very broad brush. Some things aren't even true. (Liberals want to ban the Bible. Liberals want to do away with Christmas. Liberals want to make it illegal to eat meat. etc...)

Imagine hearing even a small fraction of fringe right-wing positions discussed in the media, and having them painted as "conservative" positions, as views espoused by the entire Republican Party.


"Conservatives want to ban any mention of Santa Claus in the public sector"
"Conservatives believe that Timothy McVeigh was a hero and a patriot."
"Conservatives want to make interracial marraige illegal."
"Conservatives believe that we deserved the 9/11 attacks, because it was God's way of punishing us for homosexuality."

For Christ's sake, didn't the right just elect a Representative that believes in eugenics???

Why aren't these fringe issues discussed, and painted as Republican positions???
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:45 PM
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96. CP, you MUST read "The Republican Noise Machine."
I also pledge to read "Kansas!"

Brock really rakes the muck over these foundations and connects all the proper dots.

The most sickening part of it is that these incredibly well-funded foundations are, of course, TAX-EXEMPT.
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CroixRoussienne Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 12:36 PM
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95. Can you spell "inevitable?
I just have to jump in here, as the subject is just too rife with possibility to let it go by without comment. Just my two centimes of advice as an old and wise lover of women the world over.

Read "Brown: The Last Discovery of America" by Richard Rodriguez. I grew up in Sacramento, just like he did, and I can tell you that love knows no color, racial or social boundary whatsoever. I have fallen for white, black, yellow, brown, pale gold and tawny bronze women; I have sent love letters to a Japanese "princess", went mad for a lovely lass in high school le coleur de nuit, and am currently enthralled by the presence of a young Algerian lioness whose colors are beyond my powers of description...

My darker-shaded brethren chuckle when I explain that my family is not actually "white" - It's pink!

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:54 PM
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100. I Have A Question..
All forms of interracial relations are more or less accepted but why was there always less hostility towards Asians and Caucasians dating and mating?
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:03 PM
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103. Man is on his march straight backward
to the Cro-Magnon years.
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