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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:47 PM Original message |
Lyndon Baines Johnson was the most liberal president in US history. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. first prove he was more liberal than fdr |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. How exactly was FDR liberal? |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. whatever. |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:55 AM Response to Reply #9 |
57. such an in-depth and thoughtful rebuttal |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 06:24 AM Response to Reply #57 |
87. nonsense. i could write a book on how dismissive her argument was |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 06:54 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I proved my point... |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 07:22 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. did you learn your debating skills from shrub? |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 07:55 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. LOL! You think that LBJ was a conservative tool? |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 08:27 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. i was mocking you debating techniques |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 08:45 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Trying to recover after that "whatever" comment, eh? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #93 |
107. Historians Seem To Think Very Highly Of Him |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:55 PM Response to Reply #107 |
122. But not as a liberal |
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slowroll (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:15 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Wow. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:08 AM Response to Reply #90 |
102. I Agree With You And Disagree With You... |
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ProudToBeLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
78. lol, very very enlightening |
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ArtVandaley (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
132. Ever hear of the New Deal? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:41 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. LOL. |
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genius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. You are right. Though I think if FDR had been pres in 60s, he would have |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:50 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I agree with you there. |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:43 AM Response to Reply #22 |
66. me too n/t |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
2. Lincoln freed the slaves. |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 11:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. And wanted to deport them to Africa. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:06 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Prove it. nt |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. That Lincoln wanted to deport freed slaves? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:32 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Ok, I concede the point. |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Because as president, Lincoln had national jurisdiction. |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:51 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. wouldn't he had to been governor to support change in the jim crow laws? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:03 AM Response to Reply #25 |
39. Eh, you are reading too much there. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
123. Lincoln was NOT in favor of resettling blacks |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:13 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. I considered those arguments, and decided to leave it. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. If you want to "undermine" the significance of the EP |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. I have no idea why she choose "he wanted to deport them" instead. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:46 PM Response to Reply #131 |
137. Yes, that was a good link |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #123 |
129. Here's a lecture on the subject: |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #129 |
134. That's more like it |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
6. How can you leave Viet Nam out of the discussion-- |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. He has to. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. To me, Chimpy and LBJ are almost synonymous. n/t |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I would say that Bush and Wilson are more similar... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Yeah, Wilson is best match I can think of. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:41 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. You cannot ignore foreign policy when it comes to Chimpy |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Bush's domestic policies such as on Economy has a lot to do with what |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:47 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. And LBJ's didn't? |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:52 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. not really, more about the cold war |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
139. Part of LBJ"s motivation for social justice and civil rights |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:16 AM Response to Reply #14 |
74. Yes, exactly right...Wilson wanted to "Save the world for Democracy"... |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
40. Truer words have never been spoken! |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:14 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. He was a lying son of a bitch, and corrupt too. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:47 AM Response to Reply #40 |
67. Yeah |
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amazona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:10 AM Response to Reply #67 |
103. not hardly |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:13 AM Response to Reply #11 |
105. That's Blashphemous.... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #105 |
114. Politicians in a democracy do not "give" things. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:33 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. If Not For Johnson Many Of Those Programs Would Have Been Delayed If Not |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:03 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. What's this? Faith based history? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:16 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Maybe You Should Read More And Opine Less... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:33 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. I assure you I read a great deal. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:42 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Seems We Are Hoisted On Our Own Petard |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:15 AM Response to Reply #7 |
62. Hardly. I am discussing domestic policy. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #62 |
109. My apologies for the gender mistake. |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
76. That's sheer, unadulterated... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
112. I read a good deal actually. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:44 AM Response to Reply #7 |
85. You mean "her argument." |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:03 PM Response to Reply #85 |
113. Yes, please see post #109. |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:17 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. As an historian, I am trained to look at focal areas of policy. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Literary critics tend to "focus" in the same ways as well. |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:56 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Nope. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:00 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Yep. |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:10 AM Response to Reply #32 |
45. Have you read Robert Caro's volumes on LBJ? |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:30 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Yes, I have. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:48 AM Response to Reply #32 |
86. Who was the most radical president, in your opinion? |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
75. Because JFK escalated it... |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:28 AM Response to Reply #75 |
98. Ah, but you can't point out |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:49 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. You said a mouthful! |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:13 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. Hi Maddy |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
8. agreed |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
48. John Kleeb, you see the best in everyone |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:33 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. I feel the war was his big mistake but I wont overlook his good qualities |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:11 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Never let anyone discourage you from your intellectual pursuits |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:18 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. thank you |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
10. after reading "Deriliction of Duty"...I can't bring myself to like him. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
28. I can't either. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
16. even including Vietnam |
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mohinoaklawnillinois (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
17. I agree wholeheartedly with you Maddy. |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:51 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. Yes. |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
24. on race and poverty, no doubt |
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mohinoaklawnillinois (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Remember that picture of LBJ that was printed shortly before his |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:36 AM Response to Reply #34 |
55. this is the photo that haunts |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
31. LBJ - One of the Greatest |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:57 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Finally, someone who agrees with me about JFK! |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:58 AM Response to Reply #35 |
58. and me as well |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:53 AM Response to Reply #31 |
69. Sorry |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:10 AM Response to Reply #69 |
95. that's the story, yes |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
33. Who among us are old enough to remember those who died |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:58 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. *raising my hand* |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:04 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Then I cannot understand how you could support LBJ |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. because LBJ helped save a lot of lives |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:09 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. that is true |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:34 AM Response to Reply #42 |
54. "LBJ helped save a lot of lives" |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:13 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. Are you capable of talking about domestic policy? |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:38 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Yes, I'm capable of talking about domestic policy |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:00 AM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Conveniently |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:26 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Were you alive during the LBJ admin & Vietnam War |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:53 AM Response to Reply #70 |
80. No. JFK got us "into" vietnam |
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nomatrix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 08:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
142. Historian? Remember Vietnam well? |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:53 AM Response to Reply #65 |
79. You don't understand the definition of "domestic policy" |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 04:05 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Domestic Policy is more than passing Legislation |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 04:57 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Tell African Americans who now have the right to vote as well... |
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ArtVandaley (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #60 |
138. Yes, I do |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:28 AM Response to Reply #41 |
51. Not exactly true. |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:00 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. well, i was born after the war |
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mohinoaklawnillinois (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:08 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. I am. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:19 AM Response to Reply #33 |
47. I remember. nt |
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kodi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:38 AM Response to Reply #33 |
56. i was 14 when my uncle died there. i remember the day quite well |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
49. Lyndon Baines Johnson can never be separated from Vietnam. |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
124. LBJ didn't start the VN War |
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Doomsayer13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
50. His programs were a liberal dream |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:14 AM Response to Reply #50 |
61. Wouldn't it be great if such were possible today. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:16 AM Response to Reply #50 |
83. I agree - what a mixed legacy - greatness of leadership, absolute failure |
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LTRS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
64. Most surprisingly liberal president |
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Turd Ferguson (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:47 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Let me start by saying... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:04 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. JFK is NOT more overrated than Raygun |
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Turd Ferguson (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:11 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Agreed |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:33 AM Response to Reply #64 |
84. Peace corps? Space Program? Housing Act? Area Dev Act? Cuban Missle |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 03:12 AM Response to Original message |
73. I agree completely... |
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DerekG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
89. LBJ--the human paradox |
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leansleft (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
94. Domesticly Johnson was a great president |
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slowroll (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
97. I dunno about the framing of this question |
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marc_the_dem (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
99. I agree because of his work on civil rights |
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FeelinGarfunkelly (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #99 |
128. JFK put housing, voting, and CRA'64 into congress.. |
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amazona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
101. tough call between him and FDR |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
104. I do think LBJ is the more progressive |
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itcfish1 (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
108. I Agree |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
110. and was the killing of JFK |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. LBJ didn't have a part in the killing of JFK |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #111 |
115. may have been |
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Bush was AWOL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:13 PM Response to Reply #110 |
126. Prove that he had a part in that killing? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
121. FDR Built The Welfare State....LBJ Expanded It.... |
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JohnKleeb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #121 |
135. right |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
125. LBJ had the help of the Oil Industry |
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ArtVandaley (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
136. Debate Abe Lincoln's presidency but ignore the Civil War |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:00 PM Response to Reply #136 |
140. The Question Was Whether Or Not He Was The Most Liberal Democratic |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-04 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
141. If you forget about Auscwitz you could say that Hitler was an ok guy. |
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