Karl Rove -- mission accomplished to slow "Dean"

[cthrumatrix]

The press and "new voters" did affect the outcome.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

1. Huh?

What the hell are you talking about?
I was under the assumption that Rove was cheering for Dean from the start.

[cthrumatrix]

2. think again

he doesn't want Dean....he has a following, endorsement, a message and machine...

Be serious...

[Jackson Smith]

5. So much for his "machine", he got creamed in Iowa.

Dean is severely wounded IMO. It wouldn't have been that big of a deal if he came in a strong 2nd or whatever, but Dean got demolished.

[cthrumatrix]

12. just like others have...Dean and his team will move on...and you know that

[Jackson Smith]

17. Kerry is going to be very tough in NH. Clark also.

People seem to be looking very closely at electability.

[cthrumatrix]

19. it's 50 states....we will see...

[jeter]

27. If Rove's strategy was to "slow" Dean...

...then it has failed miserably.

Because unless Dean wins New Hampshire, he is finished.

[jpgpenn]

3. Karl Rove " Shit my guy LOST"

[cthrumatrix]

6. wow...such clarity in rationale

[jpgpenn]

11. kinda like your subject heading huh?

[cthrumatrix]

14. nope...just following the other "thread"...same title spin

spin can go both ways

[greatauntoftriplets]

4. Are you suggesting that Iowa Republicans voted Democratic...

...to skew the vote?

[shoopnyc123]

9. Well If You Can Change Your Party The Night Of...

the caucus, YES!

[Maddy McCall]

16. How long have we at DU asked "When will Republicans see the light?"

What do I have to say to the Republicans who came on board tonight?

WELCOME TO OUR PARTY!!! :party:

[cthrumatrix]

10. was done with Cynthia McKinney....the answer is alot of support was new

where it came from --- nobody knows

[Valjean]

7. Karl's dream

If Karl had his dream, Al Sharpton would be the nominee.

But I do think that Karl Rove would be quite confident about beating Howard Dean. The one he is terrified of is General Clark.

BTW, Michael Moore has endorsed Clark. That must mean he is a real democrat ;-)

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Welcome to DU, Valjean!

:hi:

[ClintonTyree]

22. Michael Moore........

was a Nader supporter in 2000. He was one of the people that enabled Bush to steal the election. If I were Clark, I wouldn't WANT Moore's endorsement.
Michael Moore isn't the messiah everyone thinks he is. To other than ultra left wingers he's considered a self promoting, pompous ass.

[bhunt70]

8. good job...lets just tell Iowa that they've been punk'd

by Karl Rove. /sarcasm

that's a good message to take through election season.

[cthrumatrix]

15. well....they do have a track record of that...don't they?

[Jawja]

21. Karl Rove and the Media did not defeat

Howard Dean in Iowa tonight.

The previously "undecided" voter did.

Throughout the entire campaign, there has been an "undecided" voter group in most all of the polls of 17% to 24%, depending on the poll. Combined results of the 2004 Democratic Presidential Campaign polls, as recorded at pollingreport.com, reflect this fact.

Those who previously registered in the "undecided" or "don't know" column are now weighing in. This number is big enough to change the landscape of the entire race; and at least in Iowa, it has.

The previously "undecided" apparently decided on either Kerry or Edwards tonight. In New Hampshire, previously "undecided" could create a totally different outcome.

[mandyky]

18. No, THIS wasn't Rove, Gephardt's

talk about Howard Dean and Medicare, etc stuck a bit. ON CSpan 2 - the Adair caucus, one of the people said Dean cut Medicare and Social Security. Dean needs to stress his senior drug program, and other healthcare programs.

Ironically, Gephardt ends up biting the bullet - MSNBC is predicting this is the end of Gephardt's career. Ouch. Talk about richochet.

[cthrumatrix]

20. there are questions that we will not get answered ....like all elections

I suspect voter registration was number one, then caucus cross overs, that caused the outcome.

[mitchum]

23. Whatever makes you feel better

Physician, heal thyself

[shance]

24. No, it doesnt make us feel better that an establishment candidate

who voted for the war and has never apologized, not to mention told us to get over the 2000 election was supposedly nominated.

Doesnt make me feel too special....

[mitchum]

26. Well, why don't you use those sour grapes for comfort food?

Some fucking nerve questioning John Kerry's liberal credentials. Sorry you missed the 60s

[polpilot]

34. Kerry on MTP '03: George Bush is a good man trying to do good things.'

Anybody who speaks these words cannot represent me. EVER.

Dean '04...

[John_H]

25. LOL! Kick!

[Renew Deal]

28. Dean slowed Dean

He is responsible for this. It was his double talk and his mouth that got himself into this.

[oasis]

29. Ordering an elderly person to "sit down" doesn't play well in Iowa.

[okieinpain]

31. dean supporter, and I would have to agree with you. dean got

to get it together and stop having all of these bloopers. this is the same shit that happened to gore. he's got to be on message 24/7, what he says has go to pass the smell test.

[Democat]

30. Rove wants Dean

This was not a good night for Republicans.

[Cannikin]

32. What about Clark? (as far as Rove goes)

They dont say much about him. Very very little.

[stickdog]

33. Clark lobbied for Republican firms and worked for a largely Republican

military.

Rest assured that Rove has no reason to want to derail Clark's candidacy at this time.

But note that the RW hits against Dean just keep coming -- even though he isn't even the front-runner anymore and he's supposedly unelectable.

Why?