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floridaguy Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:35 PM
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When and how does the Revolution start?
I'm going for a bike ride for a couple of hours. Please fill me in when I get back.

So where do we start? :bounce: :grouphug: :bounce: :grouphug: :bounce:
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:40 PM
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1. November 3, but we blew it.
We sat down to our computers and blogged instead of marched. The Ukranians knew what to do. We just froze like deers in the headlights.
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floridaguy Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:48 PM
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2. Good analogy
What makes us more compliant than the Ukranians? And isn't it amazingly ironic how OUR government supported the claim of election fraud?

Perhaps by doing that, they'd siphon off some of the anger right here.

I'm wondering what our next step is though.
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:50 PM
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3. I don't know ...
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 01:52 PM by MatrixEscape
Seems like all the protests and marches to date have had the response:

"Bush rules that out!"

He is in his Father's bubble and well-protected from results. You could think of him as the actual embodiment of the Radical Relgious Right's ultimate idol, the fetus -- safe and warm in an endless political womb. His umbliical is connected to the Neoconic body.

In other words, the response has been to ignore protests whether they are local or Worldwide. Only a representational government would be subject to the People's protest.

Protesting has its values like creating solidarity or trumpeting the message(s), but the media is hermitically sealed, so that only has a impact on the locale in which the protest occurs in today's America.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:02 PM
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4. Don't know but whenever it starts..Media needs under Control First !
Otherwise it will never be shown ! How odd. Americans are so spoiled ...The only way revolt would take place is if they cancelled Nascar or the Apprentice or NFL ! People live in a dream world. My dreams were shattered last week and yes I blame Bush and the republicans for that too..Sunset on firearms ! People had better wake up !
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:23 PM
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6. IT is called the Missery Index
It has just breached 50%, when it breaches (NATIONALLY, some areas is aproaching 70%) 80%, the lid is off, if, and that is a big if, it reaches 90% all bets are off...

Here is another term you should get used to... microclimate, and I do not mean the weather, but the political weather
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Blue Wally Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 06:18 AM
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23. As I recall from the Ford-Carter years.....,
Misery Index is the unemployment rate plus the interest rate plus the inflation rate. Carter used it to call Ford a failure then it got worse in his four years and Reagan used it to bash Carter.

That particular "misery index" is pretty low right now with inflation and interest rates so low and unemployment not near as as bad as the seventies.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 02:21 PM
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5. You did hear of twelve workers in OH
who were arrested for picketing last night, didn't you?

What about the mass demonstration in DC by the AFL-CIO

The rushing of the state house in Columbus?

It has started... truly, but you really have to pay very close attention... some has been reported (the workers last night, trying to portray then as thughs, and that is the other shoe droping by the way) Others have not

Tanks in LA, I mean I am sure that was on CNN all day...

Shhh, pay attention, it is right under the surface... and like any other civil war or revolution it is slowly heating up

By the time this is so obvious the press WILL HAVE NO CHOICE but to cover it... well it will be that obvious.

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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:09 PM
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7. Spit on your hands, hoist the black flag, and ...
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 03:17 PM by DemoTex
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

H.L. Mencken

We need to "slit throats" the way Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., and Woodie Guthrie did it. MLK used Gandhi as a template, and led a non-violent movement that shocked and awed the establishment into submission. Woodie Guthrie's "machine" (guitar) killed Fascists.
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:29 PM
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8. here and now
start by recognizing that we are a corporate-controlled nation, and that even more so than the GOP, corporate power is the enemy of the people. Then boycott all non-essentials. Yes, you have to eat, but you can make socially conscious choices in where you buy your food.

Do you really need to buy crap for christmas gifts? Do you really need the newest cd/dvd/game on the market? One step at a time, think about what you buy, what you support, what you can do without in helping to undercut corporate power by simply Not Buying It.

Visit the economic/progressive living group for more ideas and support.

:hi:
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 03:47 PM
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9. We missed the first boat.
Had we of taken to the streets, right after the election, things would have been a lot different now. But we had to have Kerry as a leader.


We had plenty of press, foreign and domestic that would have covered it. We had plenty of foreign observers here, that would have been on our side. We would have had foreign leaders on our side.

We didn't do anything huge, because of Kerry bowing out. That and all the rumors, that something big was happening behind the scenes by the Kerry camp. That kept a lot of us quiet.
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be-considerate Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:22 PM
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12. I am boycotting all repug products
I have a list of stuff that is made by those on our side:
1. Cliff Bars
2. Ben & Jerry's
3. Horizon Dairy
4. Einstein bagels
5. Tom's of Maine
It's the only food I'm buying right now until I can find out other companies that also hate Bush.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:24 PM
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14. Ben and Jerry;s was sold to a puke company
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 05:25 PM by nadinbrzezinski
go over to the economic activism board... we will help

oh and on edit,

Welcome to DU, make yourself comfortable
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 09:55 AM
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24. Hi be-considerate!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:27 PM
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10. We may need TWO revolutions
One that begins immediately in an effort to shut down the current power mongers, and one that is designed to position liberals/progressives/Democratics to fill the power vacuum that will arise should the first revolution be successful.

Can you point to the year that gave birth to the American Revolution ?

Was it in 1765 with the Stamp Act and the Quartering Act?

Was it in the 1750s with the French/Indian war?

It certainly didn't begin in 1776. There were--at least--several years of pissed of colonists planning the means by which they could best secure the blessing of liberty.

We need two revolutions, or at least a two pronged revolution. One that attacks the powers that oppress, and one that unites the oppressed.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:23 PM
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13. I get tired of pointing this to people
This revolution or civil war is now on... and it is moving to the hot stage
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:23 PM
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19. Were you intending to respond to me?
because if you were, I don't undertsand the reason for your tone.
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 05:32 PM
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26. Still think secession would be best. The red states are a lost cause.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:44 PM
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11. The revolution will not be televised.
You will not be able to stay home, brother.
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,
Skip out for beer during commercials,
Because the revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be televised.
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be brought to you by the
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.
The revolution will not make you look five pounds
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.

There will be no pictures of you and Willie May
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32
or report from 29 districts.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down
brothers in the instant replay.
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving
For just the proper occasion.

Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.
The revolution will not be televised.

There will be no highlights on the eleven o'clock
news and no pictures of hairy armed women
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.
The revolution will not be televised.

The revolution will not be right back after a message
about a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.
You will not have to worry about a dove in your
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.
The revolution will not go better with Coke.
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.
The revolution will put you in the driver's seat.

The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,
will not be televised, will not be televised.
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;
The revolution will be live.




And that means you have to live it. Don't wait for the TV or your friends to tell you because, as suggested, the Revolution will not be Televised.

Live it by doing what you can when you can. Don't buy what you don't need. Don't buy what you merely want. Send the word out to like minds. Participate where you can when you can. Some of us have to travel to the fight (I'm going to OH from NC to participate in recounts). But some people can't take 5 or 10 days off work. So put up posters, send news stories, write your representative and the local papers. And if there is a mass protests to join, join it. Take a damp bandanna (for covering your face in case of tear gas) and a disposable camera (so you won't lose your good one if the cops decide to smash it) Wear a thick jacket, thick jeans and tennis shoes. Leave your ID, your jewelry and glasses at home if you can.

godspeed.
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hightension Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:36 PM
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20. Last Poets
Haven't heard them in years.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:08 PM
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15. A GOOD TIME FOR A REVOLUTION IS WHEN THE ARMY IS...
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 07:09 PM by mitchum
SOMEWHERE ELSE
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 01:58 AM
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21. That's profound
ly funny...because it's true.
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:55 PM
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16. kick
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Scrooge Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:57 PM
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17. it starts slowly
Put an anti Bush flag on your bike. It starts one person at a time. gradually others might catch on.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:20 PM
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18. It starts locally
Who is your mayor, who are your city councilmen? These are people who you can generally talk to, and make an impression on if you can articulate concerns. Even party hacks will bend if they know what the people they live among and represent expect. If your town is run by people who don't give a damn about you, find out who ran against them last time. Organize an opposition.

Forget the presidency. They may well steal it again, but if we focus from the ground up, rather than from the top down, city by city we can take things back.

This is from a political neophyte, but four more years of hoping for the best is not in me. Getting involved where a difference can be made is the best tonic for the Nov 3 doldrums.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:55 AM
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22. The Revolution Starts Now!
Just aske Steve Earle. It won't happen if we wait for someone else to do it.
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bluedonkey Donating Member (644 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:47 AM
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25. The revolution starts
December 12,at noon!March to your State Capitol!
Just do it!You'll feel better!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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