Tweety finally figured it out

[WestHoustonDem]

We're creating enemies in Iraq and there's no end in sight. Amazing insight.

[Straight Shooter]

1. What happened? Did he dream of someone in chains, moaning his name?

What a dweeb.

[Mike Nelson]

2. Of course, he discovers this after the election...

He needs to get off the air.

[KoKo]

13. Did Tweety show the "AP" photo of Bush's fly supposedly unzipped? We

all thought Tweety would be "breathing heavily" over that one...:D...WHAT? No mention? Tweety was so dying to see "the bird."

Has he gone "undercover on us?" (Smirks)

[Vickers]

3. Gee, keen eye, Tweety

:eyes:

[DoBotherMe]

4. A sickening realization, but it made me

laugh. Irony always does. :eyes: Are the slumbering giants awakening?

[Eric J in MN]

5. Chris Matthews was agaisnt the Iraq War from before it started. (NT)

NT

[Mike L]

8. Right. Tweedy is no Olbermann, but who is?

Tweedy was the first pundit I heard use the term "neocon".

[KoKo]

10. okay....if he did that for you...then that's good. You have a loyalty to

him because of that, though? You don't think you would have learned about "Neo-Cons" on your own?

Do you still respect/watch him..or is it a loyalty to him for "turning you on to politics?" I'm curious...

[Mike L]

15. Damn, you really hate Tweedy.

I knew about "neocons" long before Tweedy uttered the word. The surprising thing is that he was using the word in late 2003 in a derogatory manner. I agree that he is not simply pro-Democrat like Olbermann and Ron Reagan, but he was giving the neocons hell from late 2003 through about June 2004. After that, he pretty much played it even.

Tweedy can be obnoxious at times and even stupid. However, there are many out there worse than him. He is usually entertaining. Most DUers may hate Tweedy, but from the posts here, it looks like they still watch his show. I haven't really watched any political show since the election.

Maybe you could lobby MSNBC to give Ron Reagan his own show. Now that would be great.

[KoKo]

19. No I don't "Hate Him." but I do see him as symbol of Media Bait & Switch..

so I am very compulsive about warning folks about him...I do it for the "newbies." You obviously don't need to be warned..you watch him out of choice...Sorry...it's the "little mother in me." Or the "Curmudgeon" whichever what you want to take it. :D

Watch what you want to...but on a Dem site I do take issue with him...so I try to warn..:shrug:

[UTUSN]

30. Well, *I* DO Hate Tweety, and it's tweeTy, not tweeDy

Here's one of many saved rants that might address different facets of your love for Tweety:

He was a political flunky/operative under CARTER and O'NEILL. In the hothouse of big time political flunkydom, STATUS and POWER come from the SUCCESS of your boss. RAYGUN kicked Tweezer's bosses' asses, and Tweezer gravitated to admiring that "success". When he started up his media career he was mentored by G.E. RUSSERT, who had himself already started "turning" whore by "reaching out" to LIMBOsevic and expending his formerly-Lib-bleeding-heart on those poor wingnuts who had been maligned and marginalized, lo those many years. Tweezer started doing video valentines, walking arm in arm with Nancy. He might have tapped into the frenzy of the FAKE impeachment, but "hatred of the CLINTONs" isn't what made him turn. When he's around Senator CLINTON, he is gushing as much as with Nancy. And he tried to be the Press Secretary for CLINTON and got turned down. Can you imagine what a disaster he would have been as Press Secretary?-----making policy on his own, soon resigning over being disciplined. Anyway, he was LOST to us Dems LONG AGO, back around 1988.

[robbedvoter]

33. Nice bio. Insightful too. I'd only add, the Clinton rejection deeply

scarred his already f*ed up psyche. His obsession with pay back became his own ticket to success - as rabid Clinton haters were/are always in demand in the "liberal media"

[KoKo]

14. No........I never heard Tweety (Matthews) utter that he was "against Iraq

Invasion." Ohhhhh...do you mean when he had Pat Buchanan on and PAT was rumbling that Iraq might be a disaster...a "New" Vietnam that could bring down the Chimp?

One has to watch how cleverly Tweety positions his guests and really "parse" the questions to try to find where Tweety "really stands."

I thin the fact that so many DU'ers tuned him out speaks volumes about WHERE TWEETY STANDS!

Somehow thousands of DU'ers (check the Main Page for DU'er Members) decided Tweety was nothing but a Whore for Bush....somewhere in the last year. And you don't mess with a MASS of DU'ers. :D

[Eric J in MN]

28. He said before the war that he didn't see the reason for doing it (nt)

nt

[UTUSN]

32. In His Lib Newspaper Columns He Was NO, on MSRNC He was PRO

When the ILLEGAL Iraq ATTACK started, with the GIs on the ground, he became an UBERpatriot. He's an ASSHOLE, no matter what.

[Carolina]

45. Don't Mess with a MASS of DU'ers

I love it! Bumper sticker material.

[Hieronymus]

6. Tweety is such an ass............

he spends far too much time kissing con butt.

[tngledwebb]

48. He IS big fat Con Butt!

He's a big poopy head too.

[WyLoochka]

7. He was against the

invasion and said so during the run-up, so he should be saying "I, as well as millions of others, told you so."

[Kahuna]

40. That's my recollection too. That was when he started talking about..

the neocons who were "hoodwinking" his hero *. Tweety knew from the beginning that the Iraq invasion was unnecessary and wrong. But he blames everybody but * for the invasion.

[Carolina]

46. yeah but then he practically

performed verbal fellatio on * when the boy wonder 'performed' his aircraft landing stunt.

Tweety is an ass and if he truly was/is against the war, he should have pounded that issue day in and day out since 3/19/2003. He should give daily body counts, emphasize the Vietnam parallels, take the politicos who support war to task everytime they appear on his show ... but he doesn't do any of that.

I turned anything NBC (which includes Russert, Imus, Matthews, Lauer)
off ages ago; it's a GOOD THING.

[KoKo]

9. That's an amazing insight? Hey I don't mind you "building post count"

but he is NOT LOVED here on DU...but if it gets your posts up...what the hell...go at it...

[dogman]

11. He'll come back from Thanksgiving Day dinner with his Rethug brother

and be all conflicted again.

[otohara]

43. who is his rethug bro?

[dogman]

44. He was a guest during the Rethug convention.

He was a delegate and is a county commisioner in Pennsylvania I believe. Tweety has cited letters from his sis-in-law about how VN Vets like his brother disliked Kerry and his anti-war stance. This is an older brother whom he admires and I believe is a source for his conflicted feelings. In the primaries he said his son was a Deanie. That is why I believe he flows back and forth. Also his own background in the Carter administration and his time with Tip O'Neil who in my mind was a total Quisling in dealing with Reagan.

[Carolina]

47. no Tweety was conflicted

without any help from his brother. Read David Brock's Republican Noise Machine. The Tweet is an ASS. Always has been.

[robbedvoter]

12. He was consistently opposed to war - his one redeeming deed

Other than that, looved the emperor and his codpiece gives him the vapors

[Hello_Kitty]

31. Which I always think is weird

How do Tweety, Pucker Carlson, and Buchanan like * while opposing his Presidency's defining moment, this bullshit war?

[robbedvoter]

34. Have you never worked for a bos you hated? The only difference

is that in the whoring industry, the job entails gushing over him - hell, the money is good! :shrug:

[Protagoras]

60. There job isn't to 100% rubberstamp *

It's to waffle around just enough to create some cognitive dissonance and pretend there is a *variety* of opinions. They juke to the left and right now and then so they can later say SEE WE HAVE OPEN DISCOURSE...which of course is BS. But when all you have to do is use an anecdoatal example read out of any larger context....well that provides the ammunition both sides need to remain happily pacified by the TV.

[mainer]

16. I thought Tweety had a great show tonight! His best line:

(asked of a retired general): "So how many Arabs do we have to kill before we convince them we like them?"

Actually, the show rocked tonight. The guy from Time Magazine (An Aussie?) gave a passionate analysis of how the U.S. has created its own worst nightmare by invading Iraq. Things are definitely not getting better, he said; they're getting worse.

[Cha]

17. And the powers that be put bush back

in to weaken America even further down the road.

9/11 and Iraq are bush's Failures..

[Disturbed]

18. Maybe...

the only bright spot with the Neo Fascists maintaining their power is that at least the Dems did not inherit the fiasco of the illegal invasion of Iraq.

[Cha]

21. Maybe..I'm always looking for

silver linings.

[Mike L]

24. True. When Iraq implodes and breaks up, at least they won't be able to

blame Kerry. (Although I suspect they'll find some way to blame Clinton :-)

The Sunni resistance will only get worse when the Shiites take over the country after the January 2005 election. The Kurds will probably break away by February 2006. The "final" election is scheduled for January 2006.

[KoKo]

20. It was his "be charitable to Liberals Night." Blitzer used to do the same

thing before he was muzzled. He would have his "Be Kind to Liberals Sunday"...once a month. Before they "declared WAR on Liberals or Dems."

Liberals and Dems...not the same thing much, anymore.

[Cheesehead]

22. But how come he wouldn't let Thomas Frank talk?

Frank said "I suppose you don't want to hear this" after Tweety cut him off about 10 times on other topics. Tweety is after Dan Rather's scalp it seems.

[calimary]

25. It will probably follow his pattern. He shows himself to be somewhat

enlightened today. That'll change. The instant the republi-CONS have run amok again and bullied everybody into submission, he'll be the first one on his knees with his presidential kneepads. He's everybody's baby. He's as loyal as whatever direction he thinks the wind is blowing.

While I haven't watched him every day - much of the time I find him rather difficult to stomach - I've seen him often enough to know that - if indeed he really did oppose the war, he certainly swallowed that opposition easily. He could have made more of a consistent issue of it. He could have been a LOT clearer and more forceful, and held a LOT more republi-CONS and bush apologists' feet to the fire. But he was one of the loudest, most shameless slobbering voices over bush's "package" in that ridiculous flight suit. Disgraceful.

If he voiced opposition to the war, I'd say - WHAT opposition? Precious little. And NOW he has an epiphany and talks about what a mess it is. Frankly, that was clear from the beginning. It's only more glaringly and painfully obvious now, with a much higher death toll.

Took your own sweet time, didn't ya, Tweety. Either you're for the war or you're against it, bud. If you're against it, then dammit, BE AGAINST IT. SAY SO. DON'T PUSSY-FOOT AROUND IT AND TRY TO APPEASE THE "IN" CROWD SO DESPERATELY. And if you try to play both sides at once, and be all things to all people, you prove yourself to be nothihng but a whore, and you're going to reap the kind of "high" regard most of us on DU have for you, dear boy.

[JennC]

23. He is sure letting Amy Goodman have her say!

She has some excellent points and a clear argument.

[tishaLA]

26. She was EXCELLENT on his terrible show

The RWer was terribly weak, just repeating the same dumb shit. I'm actually going to write Tweety--God halp me--and tell him to make Goodman one of his regulars.

[JennC]

53. I held my nose and did the same ;-)

Went with the ego stroking about how it was nice to see someone willing to show diversity in our media rather then be a wimpy "yes man". Ugh. I didnt know I had it in me. You never know.... maybe he reads some of them.

[ChiciB1]

59. I've Written Him So Many Times

And all I've ever gotten is an "auto-response!" But I did enjoy Amy Goodman, she was so well... intellectual!!

[bklyncowgirl]

27. Yeah Amy was great.

Tweety seemed to back her up even a few times. Hope that means she'll get on the show some more. Michael Ware from Time magazine was also excellent.

[Radical Activist]

29. Is he ready to apologize to Kucinich, Sharpton, Nader and

everyone else who called for a quick withdrawal that he dismissed as a loony toon.

[robbedvoter]

35. Nader called for what again? I never heard from him before the war

And during the campaign, in October, when the neglected explosives story broke, Nader said: "It detracts from the real story - jobs! - Both paries should shut up about the stolen explosives"

[Radical Activist]

42. He called for a quick

withrdrawel from Iraq, regardless of what else he said. I forget how many days. He did present himself as the pro-peace alternative, but you knew that didn't you?

[tngledwebb]

49. He probably knows a lot 'bout

quick withdrawals from hot-spots. How many kids does he got?

[Radical Activist]

50. Hey lets have a big pointless argument about Nader!

because, hey he isn't bashed often enough on this site. :eyes:

[tngledwebb]

54. Sorry RA,

I meant Matthews.

[Radical Activist]

61. Oh now I get it

nevermind

[tngledwebb]

55. Dupe

[tngledwebb]

56. Got no real issues

with Nader. And I don't blame him or his supporters for what happened four years ago 2000, for example.

[BlueManDude]

36. but that doesn't stop him from worshipping Bush

he knows that we're doing something immoral and counter-productive - yet he spares no opportunity to praise the people responsible for it. How can he be taken seriously?

[Shopaholic]

37. It won't last--he'll be back kissing Repug ass in now time--

you've got to remember that Tweet is mentally ill and is prone to multiple-personality disorder. Hell, sometimes his personas change so rapidly that I expect him to start arguing with himself!

[BlueManDude]

52. The pundits are as guilty as Bush, Cheney, Pearl et al

they are complicit in the destruction of this nation. At this point I make no distinction between Karl Rove and Tim Russert.

[ChiciB1]

57. KICK!

Will the REAL "Tweety" Stand-Up?"

I'm really happy to see that so many have come to see what I've been seeing for several years!!! A REAL turn-coat!

[No_Mor_Dumya]

38. Tweety's jealous of...

Olberman for getting all the cool emails when he hasn't been getting any.

[Kahuna]

41. Tweety probably has never seen an email. I doubt that he..

he reads any that are critical of him.

[Kahuna]

39. Doesn't matter. Overall he still thinks * is an honorable man.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[ChiciB1]

51. TWEETY FOLLOWS...

which way the winds blows! I remember his start with Tip O'Neill late Speaker of the House, back when Dems held court. He was high on "liberals" back then!

He's never gotten over his HATRED of Clinton, and I'm not sure what particular reason he uses now. I THOUGHT it was MONICA, but come on, if that's it he's a REAL BONE HEAD!

Yes, he WAS against the war, but lately all I've seen from him is ASS-KISSING and he doesn't seem to mind whose ASS he's KISSING!

I once thought he had a back-bone, but now have come to see that there is NO, NOT, NOTHING... "there, there!"

I REFUSE to ever watch him again. Unfortunately, if anyone has noticed, Olbermann uses his laugh on his show! But Olbermann has some "balls' these days and other than C-Span is the only TV news I DARE watch these days.

But I'll wager that he'll soon START wavering back to from whence he came... he can't stand to be OUT OF THE LIMELIGHT! Olbermann Upstaged him, and "Tweety" THINKS HE is why people watched MSNBC!! I'm so SICK of "point counter point" on all the shows, what's the POINT???

But, can anyone really TRUST HIM???

[leftofthedial]

58. Tweety is a whore

Rove will refill Tweety's crack pipe and all will be back to normal soon--Tweety in hot pants and fishnets, trolling the boulevard looking for right wing propagandists to service.