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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:16 PM
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So sorry. I can't help you . It's all up to President Bush now.
Got a call from the March of Dimes today. I listened to the woman's prepared text, and said, "I'm sorry, we will no longer be donating, please take us off your list." She asked why, and I said, "Due to the election results, we have decided not to enable the Bush Administration by supporting charitable organizations who are filling the vaccuum caused by his mishandling of the country. It's all up to President Bush now."

She sounded surprised.

We will say this to all of the organizations we donated to last year, when they come a' callin' this month and next.

For the next four years, we help our own, and that is it. We contribute to political causes, and that is it.
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libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:17 PM
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1. I think you are doing the right thing (in the long run).
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:19 PM
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2. Thanks. It actually does not feel good. But I can no longer enable
a disfunctional government.

If we had kids, it would be harder. There are so many parents that go out on a limb to support the public schools, since funding has been slashed. I don't know if we could do this if we had children.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:47 PM
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77. As the mother of a MICRO-PREEMIE - I think this is HORRIBLE!!! <<< READ!
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 01:51 PM by Kittycat
I have a surviving twin, born at 23.6/24.0 weeks. We lost his brother at 23.3 weeks. I think it's horrible to cut off a charity such as the March of Dimes or Easter Seals. These organizations directly affect children!!! They help to educate parents such as myself in how to care for a child, get emotional support and access to services for the child's development and medical care!

To learn more. Maybe you would like to visit my son's website?
www.knoernschild.org/kyle

Or, ponder for a moment on this:
http://www.marchofdimes.com/prematurity/b.asp?band_id=6...

I understand not wanting to make things easy for our Great Ass of a Dictator. But not at the expense of children :(

I'm so sad right now!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #77
80. *sniff*
Bless your heart, Kittycat. I have reservations about this tactic too - the March of Dimes has ALWAYS relied on generous private contributions and they are a very decent charity.

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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 03:32 PM
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81. Thank you, but it's not about us anymore...
It's about the many families out there just begining to face the struggles that we endured, and continue to deal with on a daily basis. From the NICU's, the march of dimes is reaching out to these families. Providing access to information and resources that were never there just a few short years ago. And from the antenatal maternity wards, they funding education and research to help those mothers keep their children in longer.

We were so fortunate not to loose both of our sons. Without the miricles of modern day science, I would have two angels today - instead of one. I know that the March of Dimes was there for us when we really needed them. And I would hate to see others endure what we did - but if they have to, it would be worse if they had to do it alone! Just the tiniest mistake can mean life or death, development or disaster for these precious babies.

My surviving son weighed a mere 1lb 1oz at birth - my angel weighed 1lb 5oz... The weak do survive with help, and donating to MOD is a way to help!
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:27 PM
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83. I am sympathetic to your situation. I'm sorry that this tactic
causes you pain.

However, as I said, I will take care of my own.

I have several friends facing horribly daunting medical situations. I will donate directly to them instead of to the larger charities.

I am glad that the MOD helped you in the past. I was a contributor until this year.

But until the BFEE is out, my friends and family get my direct assistance. That is it.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:50 PM
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97. I donate to MOD through work
we have fundraisers there - like 5 bucks for a sticker that lets us wear jeans to work for the day - that one is very popular. :)
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:46 PM
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96. Agreed
I'm the father of a (now three year old) preemie, and I work at a place that was created *by* the March of Dimes. (Little place called the Salk Institute....)

As much as I dislike Chimpy, I'm not going to short the MoD simply because Chimpy's an ass.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:23 PM
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3. We're on the do not call list, but I will be doing the same thing with
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 10:24 PM by No Surrender
all mail solicitations.

edited for spelling
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:26 PM
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4. I thought we were on the list, too, but have been getting calls from
charitable orgs in the last few weeks. Is there some exemption for them?

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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:18 AM
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13. I think charities are exempt
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 12:19 AM by GTRMAN
From the "do not call" list, as are political and religious orgs. if memory serves.

I am doing the same thing. I used to cut several local charities a check each year, donate all our unwanted clothes and things to Goodwill and stuff the Salvation Army bell ringer pots full every time I walked by one. No more, the gravy train has run out of gravy. I have a big pile of clothes I was going to donate that I will now pile up and BURN before anyone gets their hands on them.

There are over 500,000 people in Oklahoma, roughly 1 in 7, who have to make the decision whether to pay bills or buy food because they don't have enough money to do both, working people most of them. Yet they lined up at the polls 2 years ago and voted for a stupid "right to work" law, then this year they lined up and voted for the likes of GW** and Tom Coburn. Let them eat cake? Hell, let them eat shit for all I care!
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KitSileya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:32 AM
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24. I agree with you,
but isn't there some progressive charity you can give those clothes to? Or join a freecycle group? Burning the clothes would be damaging to the environment, and that doesn't just hurt red voters, it also hurts innocent Bangladeshi, for example.

But about the money I absolutely agree with you. Most families will be needing the money themselves in times to come, as Bush drives the economy into the toilet. use it to pay of debt etc. That'll make it easier for the next Democratic President and Congress to clear up the mess too.

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L84TEA Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:29 PM
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5. Same here...
Maybe they can dig through the Catholic Charity basement and get some moth ball filled old dead ladies fur coat to keep them warm.

I am outie on charitable organizations.

I am gonna pull a republican and take care of numbero uno and my family for awhile... well 4 years.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:06 PM
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6. I have been moving toward this stance for a while...
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 11:07 PM by kenzee13
...and this election sealed it. No charitable giving for human services that SHOULD be funded by my tax $ (instead of my tax $ funding perpetual war and the slaughter of children). And I KNOW how harsh this sounds - how harsh it is. I work for a non-profit that relies in part on donations to provide essential services - relies on donations more and more as more and more funding is cut.

But I can't see my way anymore to helping to enable the abdication of the government from the social safety net, from health care, from adequate education. I live in a "blue state" but we have plenty of fundamentalists and voters who hate welfare, hate teachers for making decent wages and scream about their school taxes, want smaller government and lower taxes at the expense (they think)of "those people." Meanwhile, they have elderly relatives on Social Security, family members who require State services for mental health, or substance use, or unemployment, etc. And we have hard working people forced to use food banks once a month because they are not paid anything near a living wage who voted for Bush.

Anything I have to give goes to the ACLU and on the ground community action groups that organize for change.
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Sparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:08 PM
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7. Good idea. Does anyone know if the United Way
enables the Repuke party?
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. My position is that any charity, including the United Way, which
provides or supplements services that should be provided by the government are enabling the Bush administration.

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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:21 AM
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26. I absolutely wouldn't give to the United Way
even if Kerry won. I worked with them years ago & I was appalled at what I saw. Even though it's been a few years since their last huge scandal was publicized, I believe they are still totally corrupt & they are still in bed with huge corporate interests.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #7
131. You can designate your entire donation to Planned Parenthood
That's what I did.
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:56 PM
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9. I've done this for four years
And it really is true--now my donations go to progressive causes.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:09 AM
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10. When solicited for donations, do you say why you won't give? nt
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:17 AM
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12. Absolutely and I give them an earful
Got solicited by my law school tonight and the poor (law student) fellow had to listen to an absolute diatribe about my pension estimates going down and no raises and the state I live in cutting the universities' budgets three times. AND I threw in Clarence Thomas as Chief Justice as an extra--LOL.
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:21 AM
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14. I especially like doing it to the law enforcement guys
Truly, I used to donate, but living in a deep South state I know they are all Bush supporters. Usually, I am sly and try to pull them along with me but tonight I just let the poor little law student just have it with all guns blazing. Not mad at the student--just vehement about Bush. Well, he (the student asked it) he asked how I was. LOL.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:33 AM
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17. LOL, (gulp) I may make an exception for the fire dept.
I live in a small town, and we are in a very difficult spot, if there is a fire, as we had last year, just two houses away.

I gave to them last year, and I think I'll do it again this year. But I think this falls into the blatant self-interest category.

Don't really care about the cops so much.
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 06:57 AM
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22. The fire dept/station/folks don't solicit here-eom
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:27 AM
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27. We have a VOLUNTEER Fire Dept.. I don't DARE stiff them!
Not a good idea. IMCPO
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7 Lazy P Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:52 PM
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66. The volunteer fire department in the town closest to me
was established in the 1930s. They have served for 70 years, through wars, depression, and through Democrat or Republican administrations. They've carted me to the hospital a couple of times after farm accidents without inquiring about my political affiliation. The people who volunteer do it because they want to serve the community. (and I think they really like driving the trucks, but that is another story) Regardless of who is in office, they have relied mostly on donations, fundraisers, and some state funding to cover their expenses. Think I'm going to stiff them now because of this last election?
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Sputnik Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:32 PM
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63. Not true in our case
While most law enforcement officers who vote do vote Republican, my husband is a police officer and certainly doesn't. I know other officers in his department who voted for Kerry as well. And we live in the South, too.

You'd be surprised how many officers don't even vote. My experience is that they are a very apolitical group as a whole. Many have no interest in politics whatsoever, and even some of those who spout off about what they believe never even take the trouble to vote. I've waged this battle many times trying to get them to the polls (particularly when there was a ballot measure in their own interest) and it was like pulling teeth.

But, I understand your feelings for sure.






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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:13 AM
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11. That's a fabulous response, and exactly what needs to happen.
I've said this before, but when Democrats fight and manage to water down what the Repukes want, all the mindless sheeple then say 'see? Repukes aren't so bad!'

They NEED to see just how bad it can be, and I hope it gets there fast.
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ogsball Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:27 AM
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15. I was at a fundraising seminar last week
Charitable giving rose significantly during the 90's but has leveled off and even decilined slightly since 2000. That includes church giving. It seems that the richest folks (200k+) give the smallest porportion of their income to charity--particularly the church.

A bit more detail. . .
Higher taxes forced richer people to give to reduce their tax liability. This was particularly true of investments. The capital gains tax got people to donate thousands of dollars in stocks to charities.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:33 AM
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18. So it's a double-edged sword! nt
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:54 AM
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21. Hi, I agree with you on this one!
We may not agree on all subjects, but no real anger intended on my part...ok?
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:30 PM
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84. No problem. nt
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:40 AM
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30. They are supposed to tithe 10% of their income
Come on you right winged religious fanatics, if you want to allow religion and the bible to dictate how you vote, then put your money where your mouth is. Follow the bible completely don't pick and choose!

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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 11:45 PM
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130. They give money to their church
But the church uses it for new buildings or funding some sort of repub project, not for social programs.
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ogsball Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:27 AM
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16. I was at a fundraising seminar last week
Charitable giving rose significantly during the 90's but has leveled off and even decilined slightly since 2000. That includes church giving. It seems that the richest folks (200k+) give the smallest porportion of their income to charity--particularly the church.

A bit more detail. . .
Higher taxes forced richer people to give to reduce their tax liability. This was particularly true of investments. The capital gains tax got people to donate thousands of dollars in stocks to charities.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:48 AM
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19. Hubby and I decided on this strategy, too
We've always been generous -- and God, we get hit up for money. I'm actually going to enjoy this.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:50 AM
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20. Some of the best people around work in the non-profit sector....
and most of them aren't Bush*-supporters. IMHO, this is not the way to go.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:23 AM
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23. I must disagree.
I gave to schools...now I tell them President Bush has given you millions, and millions, and millions to leave no child behind. Learn to use your money wisely.

To the United Way, I am simply going to tell them that my money will go to California for stem cell research.

To the sheriff's department and the highway patrol, I will tell them that President Bush has given them millions, and millions, and millions. Learn to use your money wisely.

To the Chamber of Commerce, I tell them that the Republican County Government gives them 40,000 dollars a year. How can they represent me as a small business?

etc. etc. etc.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:38 AM
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:27 PM
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71. You're talking about government-provided services, not charities
schools and sheriff's offices are government programs. The charities supported via United Way may or may not be government-funded, but for the most part, the US Govt works in collaboration with non-profit services providers in the areas of health care and services for the poor. The non-faith based groups are struggling right now due to government cutbacks. Really struggling.
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:04 AM
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25. Until people stop *ENABLING* Republicans, Republicans won't stop...
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 08:05 AM by Atlant
> Some of the best people around work in the non-profit sector
> and most of them aren't Bush*-supporters. IMHO, this is not the
> way to go.

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Republicans count on the fact that,
up until now, we soft-hearted (they'd say "soft-headed") liberals
could be counted on to not let things fall to pieces no matter
how much the Republicans blew up the social support systems. So
until we stop *ENABLING* Republicans, Republicans won't stop
screwing us.

It's long past time to let things fall to pieces.

Atlant
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #25
28. Tough Love ....
... people think that's what the Repugs offer, but they're about to find out we can too :)
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:33 PM
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73. But the government works in collaboration with these charities...
it has been this way for the past 50 years or more! The government funds charities through your tax dollars to provide community services. Over the past 4 years, its been the faith-based charities that the Republicans have funded, and the non-religious charities have suffered the most. If you don't contribute to the good charities, they will go under, and all that will be left are faith-based charities!!
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #20
85. I worked in the non-profit sector myself, and I know what you
say is true.

However, because I know that my vote doesn't count any more, this is the only way that I can have a voice.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:18 AM
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31. I'm not saying that I disagree with your actions
but understand the implications.

Yes, our enabling of Republicans allow them to continue to destroy all that we have worked for over the years (Social Security, social programs, etc....), but as progressives we have a duty to do what we can for those less fortunate and in need. This is what distinguishes us from the right.

I work with non-profit organizations as an evaluator of their federal grant programs. Federal grants give organizations the ability to serve more clients and to provide valuable data to researchers who try to determine which methods work and which don't. Over the past four years, the grant money has dried up, and organizations that serve individuals living with HIV, homeless, children and adults with mental illness, substance users, and more are having to serve fewer individuals with less money due to this loss of grant opportunities. Meanwhile, United Ways and other funding agencies are having harder times getting people to donate due to the economic state of the country. So, non profits are hit from every side. Who loses? The poorest, most in need in our society. Yes, people have and will die because of these funding shortages. I agree with your rationale, but I have a difficult time engaging in that method due to the very real consequences. Frankly, the Republicans don't care if social service programs are drying up. They believe that the churches should take the lead in this area anyway. It will not hurt them for a very long time to neglect the most needy in our society. The trickle down will get to them eventually, but it will be long enough that the damage will be significant. I don't know if I can live with myself knowing that I intentionally didn't give the pittance that I can give to the women's shelter, or the United Way in order to teach the Republicans a lesson.

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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #31
36. This isn't intended to influence the GOP's policies
It's meant to influence people's votes.

You said "Frankly, the Republicans don't care if social service programs are drying up. They believe that the churches should take the lead in this area anyway."

That's true, and if people see that the GOP just doesn't care for their well-being maybe they will vote Democratic. We need to make it obvious to people that the GOP is not the party of the people. The GOP is looking out for their rich contributors and nothing more.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:30 AM
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40. You know too much to participate in this thread.
There's little evidence that most people here actually contributed to anybody. But now they've got a newer snarky comeback before they slam down the phone.

I, myself, respond poorly to phone solicitations; some of them, especially for law enforcement charities, are rackets. But Planned Parenthood, for one, will get another contribution this year.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #40
86. Generally, those of us who get the calls are past contributors.
Planned Parenthood, by the way, will continue to get donations from me. I consider them a progressive organization, fighting the BFEE agenda.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #31
75. Thanks for this. I work in the non-profit sector as well
I really wish people would educate themselves on these issues before making decisions to no longer support charities that provide much-needed services in the community. I would hate to see a day when only faith-based charities were serving the needy.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:26 AM
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32. I feel the same way, let Jeysus provide them with their needs. n/t
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L84TEA Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:27 AM
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33. Tell them to CALL THEIR LOCAL CATHOLIC CHARITY...


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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:00 AM
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34. Please distinguis between non profits - they're not all the same
The national non profits like RED CROSS might have a chance at influencing policy. I'm all for withholding donations to them.

Small local non profits probably don't, and probably are as distressed about the election as you are. Preschools, clinics, senior centers and other services for low income people are hurting just like you are, and they have no more power to fix things than you do.
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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:03 AM
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35. We lost in the small towns. That's where we most need to get tough
If the small town non-profit groups are hurt by the Bush administration they have a chance to influence the voters in their communities because they know many of them on a personal basis. And if people see that there community is being hurt by the GOP then maybe, just maybe, they'll vote next time.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:17 AM
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38. Who the hell mentioned small towns? Not me.
I said there's a difference between national non profits like the REd Cross and small local non profits.

I don't know where you got "small towns". Nothing I wrote.
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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:47 AM
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48. I don't remember saying you wrote "small towns"
I wrote "small towns." I live in a small rural community in a red state and we get calls all the time from the volunteer fire department asking for donations. I'm not going to give to them because they will feel the pain much more than an organization like United Way or Red Cross. If they have to depend on what they get from federal sources then they will realize that the GOP isn't helping their cause.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:48 AM
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49. That's okay by me. I'm just advocating some discretion on the part
That's okay by me. I'm just advocating some discretion on the part of those who want to say no to non profits in pursuit of this agenda. In many cases it might be a very good idea. In some others it's probably not.
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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:54 AM
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51. I agree n/t
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #34
41. I'm not sure you understand...
As long as *THE CLIENTS* of these non-profits think things are
just ducky, they can keep on not voting (or even voting for Bush).
The message must be driven home to a lot of non-voters and Republi-
can voters that things are not ducky and that the left is no longer
willing to help bail things out while the Republicans are busy
smashing holes in the lifeboats.

Atlant
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:41 AM
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42. No, I understand. But what you might not understand...
No, I understand. But what you might not understand is that in some areas - like Seattle, where I live, the vote was overwhelingly for Kerry. Do you think those people don't understand? I think they do.

I suppose if you were targeting non profits in red voting areas it might make more sense.
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:54 AM
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52. It would be interesting to poll the clients...
It would be interesting to poll the clients of the non-profits. I'll
bet that even in Seattle, the clients are non-voters or fundy
Republican voters.

This isn't just a question of electoral votes (in which case your
argument would have more merit). This is a question of the popular
vote, of mindshare, of the House, the Senate, the state legislatures,
the governors, the city councils, and the mayors. We must make it
clear to *EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE*, that Republicans are destroying
all of these support systems and it's only been through the good
will of *BLEEDING HEART LIBERALS EVERYWHERE* that these systems
haven't already fallen to pieces.

I'm at the point where I think the only message that can possibly
get through is the cut-off of the liberal's support.

Atlant
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #34
87. Local non-profits that bear directly on *my* life and the lives of
my family and friends will continue to receive my support. That is part of taking care of your own.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #87
88. I would add that in my community, which went 70% for Kerry,
this strategy applies to national charities.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #34
103. It's not the charities that hurt...
... it is the people recieving their help.

Apparently you didn't get the memo. 51% of them trust Bush** more than the Democrats to attend to their needs.

I'm more than willing the see if he will, we owe them that, don't you think?
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allthatjazz Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:08 AM
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37. other ways to protest with your wallet
saw this yesterday: http://spendingliberally.org /

"Our votes don't count. Our protests are ignored. It's time to impose economic sanctions"
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #37
39. The problems with these boycott sites
1. They sometimes include companies that also give to Dems and even the ones that give MORE to dems than repubs

2. They mostly only list the companies to boycott - not the better alternatives
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:44 AM
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45. Welcome to DU
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #37
50. and don't just boycott. "Buy-cott" - buy from businesses
that share similar progressive political attitudes.

A good place to start is Co-op America.

www.coopamerica.org

On the right hand side you'll find the Boycott Action News, the Green Pages Online, and other goodies.

Have fun!

:think:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:42 AM
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43. They'll do better
with tobacco money since tobacco won't be opposed much anyhow.

We'll need the money for our medical bills as far as ground efforts for health are concerned.

All the organizations have been on auto-pilot for their own destruction (at least the defeat of all their good goals)anyway.
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Ishoutandscream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:42 AM
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44. Said same thing in effect to our United Way Rep. (a Bushbot)
and a very radical Bushbot at that. Told her that the government is dropping the ball under Bush, and that I couldn't help pick up the slack from govt. cuts under the Bush administration. She seemed kind of angry and amused at the same time.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. Good for you!
Though I've articulated my objection to starving local non profits I am all for denying the big groups who can influence policy.
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YNGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:46 AM
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47. I won't even consider doing that.
Most things in life transcend politics, and helping those in need through direct contact or private charities are just some of those things. I don't consider it to be the governments duty to help others. It's up to me and other individuals like me. If the government pitches in some, all the better, but even if they pitch in nothing, the need doesn't go away. No, I'm going to help others who need help, I don't care who's in office.
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #47
53. And that, in a word, is why the Republicans will defeat you.
> No, I'm going to help others who need help, I don't care who's in office.

And that, in a word, is why the Republicans will defeat you.

Atlant
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YNGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #53
55. Listen to what's being said.
Let me get this straight. You won't give to charities because there wouldn't need to be any charities if * wasn't in office. Is that what you're saying? Is the government suppose to be the only charity?

Mr. and Mrs. Smith down the road still need help staying warm this winter, just like countless others have needed assistance over decades and decades and various administrations. MS isn't going to cure itself. Neither is cancer.

I'm going to help people in need. Period. To ignore that there are people in need and to not contribute to helping relieve that need would not only be mean, it's stupid.


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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #55
58. I gladly give to charity *BUT*...
I gladly give to charity *BUT* it has reached the point where a lot
of people, SUPPORTED BY MY CHARITY, are now outinely working against
my best interests. This makes it seem to me that giving to charity is
thereby inimicable to my own interests.

So I, like the original poster, am done.

This year, *ALL* the charities can go beg from Republicans instead of
from me. Any other behavior just helps the Republicans murder us.

Atlant
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YNGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #58
60. Is that it?!?
>>I gladly give to charity *BUT* it has reached the point where a lot
of people, SUPPORTED BY MY CHARITY, are now outinely working against
my best interests. This makes it seem to me that giving to charity is
thereby inimicable to my own interests.<<

You only want to help people if they view things politically the same way you do? If it doesn't ultimately benefit you, then screw it?

I don't care what someone's politics are, if they're in need and I can help, then I will. My next door neighbor is a Repub. He needed help mending his fence this summer and I helped. He's helped me before when I needed a second person to accomplish a task. We're people first, not political labels.

Charity isn't about who voted for whom or whatever. Charity is about giving and not expecting anything in return. The reward is having done the right thing.

I can't force anyone to do what they've determined to do, but I hope some who are seriously thinking about not giving to charities or not volunteering to help those in need will reconsider.
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:59 AM
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62. Yes.
> You only want to help people if they view things politically the same way you do?

At this point, yes.

In fact, YOU BET YOUR ASS THAT'S WHAT I WANT!

Atlant
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #60
90. "You only want to help people if they view things politically the same way
you do?"

In a word: YES
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cattleman22 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #90
105. How does that help the Dems?
How does the Democratic party tell people that they are the big tent party and for tolerance when some Democrats practice a lifestyle that exludes anyone who has a different opinion?

Wouldn't the best course of action be to specifically target charity to people who might have voted for Bush. Maybe they did so out of ignorance and such a charitable act could help sway them.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #105
111. See post #83. nt
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shugah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #55
61. personally, i won't stop helping
where i can. for instance, if the kerry supporter down the street can't stay warm this winter, i'll do what i can to help. what i feel as an obligation to help those less fortunate will never go away. any hungry kerry supporters in my neighborhood can knock on my door anytime, and i'll feed them. we are most assuredly in for harsh economic times, and there will be many who need help. if i choose to spend my charity dollars in a very direct, and yes, very selective way, does that make it less helpful?

bush supporters? as far as i'm concerned, they are on their own - individually, collectively, as corporations, businesses, etc. there is no excuse for the way they voted, and i will have no sympathy when they get what they voted for.

(at least this is how i feel at the moment. i'm a bleeding heart by nature, but i am really pissed off, too.)
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #55
89. So help Mr. and Mrs. Smith down the road. But do not enable the GOP
with contributions to large charity orgs that supplement services that the government SHOULD be providing.

Get local. Very local. And make sure that if Mr. and Mrs. Smith voted for Bush last time, that they get a feel for why they're in this bind.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #47
54. That's your choice
and you are free to do it, just like those of us who have regularly donated to charity are free to say, no more!
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #47
72. Thank you for adding some common sense to this thread
I thought I was the only one!
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:28 AM
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56. Do you mind if I steal your response? I would like to use it myself.
Yes, I think it is up to Bush now, and religious organizations, to fill the void.

Maybe I'll change my mind later. Until then....
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. Well, I may contribute to the homeless. THEY didn't vote for *.
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:32 AM
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59. They probably didn't bother to vote. They are part of the problem! (NT)
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #59
104. I might be difficult..
... to register to vote when you don't really have a residential address.

I'm willing to cut the homeless some slack.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #56
93. Feel free to use it! By the way, I should have made it more clear
when I said that I wanted to take care of my own.

I mean I want to support local charities in my county, which went 70% for Kerry. I want to help my friends who need help, and my family.

I have one cousin who is a Bush supporter, a drug addict, and a racist. He will not get my help. And he already knows why.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:36 PM
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64. Nice. Well done.
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 12:36 PM by info being
However, I might suggest that you continue donating to independent media.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:37 PM
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65. That's awesome!!!
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:57 PM
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67. The March of Crimes wouldn't get my $$ any day, any way
Does the March of Dimes really fund horrific animal experiments?

Sadly, yes, though the charity is tight-lipped about it! The March of Dimes has funneled millions of dollars into animal experiments. March of Dimes-funded experimenters have: sewn shut newborn kittens eyes, left them blind for a year, and then killed them; cut organs from pigs and stitched them into primates; and addicted pregnant animals to alcohol, nicotine and cocaine. In one study (results published in 1998), experimenters cut into the abdomens of pregnant sheep and destroyed the ear drums of the unborn lambs. Just before birth, the mother sheep and lambs were killed, and the brains were cut from the lambs to be examined.

The March of Dimes "only" uses mice and rats, doesnt it?

March of Dimes has funded experiments using pigs, sheep, dogs, hamsters, rabbits, rats, cats, opossums, birds, primates, and other animals, and has made it clear that it will fund experiments on any species it chooses. However, even if March of Dimes experimented on mice and rats exclusively, it would still be wrong. Rats and mice feel pain every bit as much as cats or dogsand as much as you or I.

Is there evidence of poor treatment of animals in March of Dimes funded experiments?

All animal experiments involve physical and/or psychological harm to the animals. But, disturbingly, primates in experiments funded by the March of Dimes have died due to the absence of an anesthesiologist during surgery, lack of adequate monitoring after surgery, and from "technical problems." March of Dimes funded experimenters have also restrained monkeys in chairs for many days at a time, sewn cats' eyes shut, and damaged the brains of ferrets and other animals.

Could the March of Dimes' animal experiments actually save human babies?

Birth defects are prevented and babies are saved when research dollars go to effective and relevant research, which comes from studying human problems and human babies, not from sewing kittens' eyes shut or addicting rats to cocaine. In fact, virtually all known developmental hazards have been identified through studies of human populations. The dangers of thalidomide, alcohol, methyl mercury, and lead, just to name a few, were all discovered by observing people, not animals.

http://www.marchofcrimes.com/faq.html
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:43 AM
Response to Reply #67
134. Fuck The March of Crimes
I have serious problems with the things done to micro-preemies - often with little chance of meaningful life - and even more with their hideous animal abuse.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:57 PM
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68. Damn right!
No more donations, period.

Only political contributions.

RL
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 12:58 PM
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69. I agree n/t
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:16 PM
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70. The government has provided a huge amount of the funding for non-profits
and these non-profits have been struggling in the past few years because the government has cut so much of its funding for services such as food banks, health clinics, etc. These charities are FORCED to make up for the government cutbacks through fundraising, and it costs them even more money to have to go out and raise funds to stay open.

The Republican-preferred "faith based" charities are getting plenty of support from the government as well as private donors, while the non-faith based charities are really struggling to survive. So please think about this before jumping to conclusions.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:35 PM
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74. Charity isn't what it's cracked up to be. Our fellow humans don't
really need our help. We need to make things MUCH worse on the people who need help so that we can BY GOD win an election!
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. Is that supposed to be humor?
You think that making an old or sick person's life harder will help get us votes?
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #76
79. I see that recognizing scarcasm is not one of your strong
suites.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #74
99. losing elections will do more to hurt the needy than giving to charity...
will help them.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 01:47 PM
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78. I said something similar to a home-improvement telemarketer last month
(This was before the election)

"I'm sorry, I'm not making any home improvement purchases with the current state of the economy and our national leadership. I don't feel confident making any large purchases in case the Bush Administration outsources me and I can't pay the bills."

But of course, I'm keeping up my donations to and memberships in Democratic and progressive causes.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:03 PM
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82. There are other ways to help the needy...
You don't have to donate to any of the large organizations. A good percentage of whatever you give is eaten up in "their costs" anyway.

Look around you. There are plenty of good people that can use a helping hand, who are falling through the cracks. Belong to a church?
Ask about helping a family buy groceries, or pay their rent. Buy a needy child a bicycle for Christmas.

Go around your neighborhood and collect blankets and coats that aren't used. Take them to a homeless or battered women's shelter.
Volunteer to mentor a child, or teach an adult to read.

I was standing behind an elderly man at the pharmacy a few months ago. He had 4 prescriptions, and was trying to figure out which ones he could do without. He finally decided to get a month's supply on 2 of them, and a week's supply on the other 2. While they were being filled, he wandered off to kill some time. I told the lady at the window that I would pay for his two most expensive ones. It wasn't that much money to me. I hate the fact that after decent people have worked hard all their lives they must decide whether they want to eat, stay warm, or get the medicine they need. He looked a little less defeated as he left the store.

Look around, they are out there. Leave the large organizations to fend for themselves, if you wish...but not the people.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #82
92. Good ideas, Contrary1
There are ways to help people (think locally, like local food shelves) without supporting the large, bloated charities. The point is to stick it to Boosh's corporate supporters, not the poor.
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #82
94. Churches ARE large organizations
You sound like a Republican when you suggest faith-based charity. Churches don't need help. The government has shifted all of their money for social programs to faith-based programs.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #94
95. Ooops! That's not what I was trying to say...
Sorry, I wasn't being clear. What I meant was that if you belong to a church, it is a good place to find people that may be in need of some help. Many times, the pastor will be able to point you toward a particular family.
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cattleman22 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #94
100. RE:The government has shifted all of their money for social programs to
faith based programs."


Is that true?

Are all secular charities banned from receiving federal grants?
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #100
101. Most of it
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cattleman22 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. I find that disturbing
Do you have a link showing this information.

When a charity group applies for a federal grant, is there a place for the group to say wether or not they are religious?


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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:31 AM
Response to Reply #101
116. Some documentation would help.
You know, a link with real information?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 11:39 PM
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #82
106. Contrary1, that's wonderful of you!!
That's my attitude too. I know certain people who could use a little extra help, and I help them personally.

Why give to an organization where you don't know if the money reaches anyone? Why not just be on the lookout for people in your community who need the help?

Thats really sad that the guy couldn't afford his prescriptions. Did you stick around for when he found out you paid for them for him?

G.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #106
108. No, I didn't hang around.
I didn't want him to be embarrassed. He had no idea who I was,
and it was better that way.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 04:49 PM
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91. Good idea tell them that at church also.
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 05:03 PM by gordianot
Since churches are now involved in politcal events I have decided to donate directly to political causes I endorse. Sorry see you later, I can no longer tithe.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 05:59 PM
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98. Printed and posted by the kitchen phone. Thanks. eom
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:18 PM
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107. I suggested a few alternative non-profits in a similar thread --
ones that help out victims of the Bush policies and fight against the policies.

ACLU, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, Americans United for Separation of Church & State, Interfaith Alliance, PFLAG, Planned Parenthood and feminist groups, media watchdog groups and alternative media, and the groups of war vets that are speaking out, for example.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #107
114. Thanks for these. nt
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:32 PM
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109. I can't believe some of what I'm reading here. Is this a Repug site?
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 09:35 PM by meganmonkey
I just can't believe it. I could right a book, but I;ll try to sum it up.
I work for a non-profit. A relatively small, completely local, and extremely vital organization. Essentially, we rescue food that is going to otherwise be thrown away, and we distribute it to over 100 programs in our county that feed low-income folks. We also run a soup kichen that serves about 100 people every day for lunch and dinner. All of those programs are also nonprofits. We deal with dozens and dozens of local businesses to procure the food. We use the labor of literally hundreds of volunteers, many of them 'regulars'. We only have 12 paid employees.
Many of the programs that we serve couldn't even exist without us. Most of them are feeding mainly elderly folks, kids, and mentally/physically handicapped. We saved and distributed literally 2 Million pounds last year, and are on track to increase that to almost 3 million this year.

And guess what? We get about 6% of our money through government grants. And guess where the rest of the mony comes from? People like you, who are lucky enough to have some extra money to spend. And local businesses, who support their communities. And who have enough kindness in them to help someone instead of buying another pair of shoes. Or who don't have a lot of money, but still realize that a lot of people have less. And are kind enough to prioritize sharing a little bit.

A lot of you on this thread sound like you have lost your faith. You sound cold, not like human beings with warmth in your hearts. Quite frankly, you sound like republicans.

DON'T LET THEM WIN!!!!!!!!!
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:36 PM
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110. So the victims of Bush's policies can just suffer?
What is being accomplished here, except for worsening the problem?
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:50 PM
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112. I'm all for boycotting republican businesses but charity is different.
If we turn our backs on non-profits, people will have no choice but to go to faith-based charities and may find themselves having to sign a "republican loyalty oath" in order to get help. Children are too young to vote. The homeless are often suffering from mental illness. Animals, wildlife, and the environment can't vote. It just doesn't feel right to give up on trying to be helpful, even if it seems that the ends will justify the means.

Of course, nobody is obligated to give to charity. Just my two cents.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:58 PM
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115. Ok, so here is a compromise: Local giving only, to progressive, secular
charities.

I considered the possibility that this will only strengthen the faith-based charities, but they are going to be strengthened anyway. They will receive the bulk of federal funding for social services.

This whole idea is an extension of another that I've been struggling with, and that is the lack of parity between some of the deep red states, which get a 2 for 1 tax return, as compared to CA, where I live, where we get .86 for every dollar in federal taxes.

I assure you, we will also aggressively avoid paying any unneccessary taxes this year. We never really worried about that so much in the past, and just paid up. This year, we will have an accountant help us figure out how to avoid paying as many federal taxes as we can.

Yes, this sounds like a Republican speaking. I can't believe I feel this way, but there it is. I do. I can't support or enable Bush's war, his lies, or his fake-based social programs.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 01:37 AM
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:18 AM
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118. Be sure to spread your hostility around your own home town, too.
Any time we *choose* to contribute to a charity, it is just that, a choice. You obviously have no idea about where I live, or what the needs are here. Nor do you have any idea at all about what my means are, or what my personal choices are about where I spend my time volunteering or, when I have extra funds, where I contribute them.

If you choose to enable the Republican party to decimate social programs behind a smokescreen of charitable giving, so be it. I do not. I take care of my own, in my own community, and yes, there is great need here, and in any community, *anywhere* in this country.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:13 PM
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124. But you began the thread by denying any charitable giving.
Guess I struck a nerve.

If I give, I'm enabling the Republican party. If you give, you're Lady Bountiful.

Now I understand!


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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:49 PM
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113. Since the Pukes love the Faith-based stuff, and since we're AMORAL
Why would they want my amoral money in the first place?

I won't be giving. It's up to the President and his MORAL, faith-based supporters. Let them handle it.

I'll give to progressive causes.

Bake
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erniesam Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 03:32 AM
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119. for those who asked about United Way
Elaine Chow(sp?) who has been on the Bush team the past four years is a past president of United Way of America. She is also the wife of a republican from Ky. Also, United Way used to rely heavily on organized labor for donations but now relies more heavily on corporate donations.
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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 11:55 PM
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132. I really think we should boycott the United Way
I know from personal experience that they are *not* on our side!

see my post #26
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Go_andbe Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:06 AM
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120. what is the point?
did you change her mind?
Did you help get our people in office?
Did you help anyone.

It all seems kind of mean to me.
Thats not what we are about.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:21 AM
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121. Who's the "we" you refer to?
You think it's mean? Too bad.

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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:47 AM
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122. We Won't Give...
if the people feel that only repukes have "values" and that the rest of us are moral degenerates, so be it. We will help our own only and leave the rest for bush and the evangelicals. We are fighting for our very survival here as a democracy and will do what it takes to get the truth out. In this case, the truth is about half the people not even going to vote or voting for bush even when they are starving. Let's see if banning gay marriages or abortion will improve their lives, pay their medical bills, feed their families.
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blanza Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:49 PM
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123. Selfish and egotistical
That is rather selfish. You want Shrub to spend tax (other people's) money on helping people, but you are not willing to spend your own money. Sounds rather middle schoolish "baby baby stick your head in gravy. wrap it up in bubble guma and send it to the Navy"
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:29 PM
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126. So, where does tax money come from, baby baby? nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:33 PM
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 10:30 PM
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127. And I suppose this includes tithing to evangelicals? nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 11:17 PM
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:07 AM
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133. OMG, I just looked at your BS link. Got it from Sullivan, eh?
This is the most rigged thing I've seen since last Tuesday night!

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:55 AM
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:15 AM
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136. Why Not Say NO to the IRS ?
Just withhold your tax payments, and tell the IRS that since the 2004 election was stolen, there will be "No Taxation Without Representation". It should sound familiar, being an old principle of American democracy.
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Justathought Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:29 AM
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137. March of Dimes is not as wonderful as they would have you believe..
I am in agreement with this tactic....the government should be subsidizing more health organizations and it is more cruel to see children suffer under the heartlessness of this dictator in my opinion.

As to the March of Dimes, I quit donating long ago. My nephew needed a wheel chair and my brother was laid off from work. My nephew was three years old. The March of Dimes denied his request because in their statement to my brother "your son is not a good candidate because his life expectancy does not warrant our help." My brother and all of the family were devastated by the selectivity of help the March of Dimes helped families even though we had been avid donors. My nephew died a couple of years later and my brother carried him from place to place up until his death. But, through the denial of help, my brother and sister-in-law were restricted to their home as well as Christopher. O8) Christopher is at peace now but the cruelty of this organization haunts us to this day.
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