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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:07 AM
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KERRY HAS CALLED BUSH AND CONCEDED (MSNBC)
Breaking now.
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wickywom Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:08 AM
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1. f*ck.
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jfalchion Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:49 AM
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115. What we do now...
The Rising of the Moon

Ireland.

Oh, then tell me Sean O'Farrell,
tell me why you hurry so.
Hush me Buchall hush and listen,
and his cheeks were all a-glow.
I bear orders from the captain,
Get you ready quick and soon,
For the pikes must be together
By the Rising of the Moon.

Chorus:
By the Rising of the Moon,
By the Rising of the Moon,
For the pikes must be together
By the Rising of the Moon.

Oh, then tell me Sean O'Farrell
Where the gathering is to be.
In the old spot by the river,
Right well known to you and me.
One more word for signal token,
Whistle up the marching tune.
With your pike upon your shoulder
By the Rising of the Moon.

Chorus:
By the Rising of the Moon,
By the Rising of the Moon,
With your pike upon your shoulder
By the Rising of the Moon.

Out of many a mud wall cabin
Eyes were watching thru' the night.
Many a manly heart was throbbing
For the coming morning light.
Murmers ran along the valley,
Like the banshee's lonely croon,
And a thousand pikes were flashing
By the Rising of the Moon.

Chorus:
By the Rising of the Moon,
By the Rising of the Moon,
And a thousand pikes were flashing
By the Rising of the Moon.

There beside the singing river
That dark mass of men were seen,
Far above their shining weapons hung
Their own beloved green.
Death to every foe and traitor,
Forward strike the marching tune,
And hurrah me boys for freedom,
Tis the Rising of the Moon.

Chorus:
Tis the Rising of the Moon,
Tis the Rising of the Moon,
And hurrah me boys for freedom,
Tis the Rising of the Moon.
:evilfrown:

 :kick:
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:13 PM
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136. I don't know about a rising moon but I sure feel like mooning someone.
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Joyce78 Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:20 PM
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146. Irish here
Great selection! Irish here ... maiden name Callahan. Do you know of "Paddy's Lamentation"? Another Irish liberty song sung during the American Civil War. Refrain is
"Cheer up boys,
the time will come again,
when the Sons of Old Erin
will be spearing".

We'll reclaim our Democracy. I was pretty down (still am, actually, and tired of trying to pick up the spirits of my entire family all day); however, The Rising of the Moon reminded me of my Irish heritage and renewed my fighting spirit! Thank you! Also, I thought the remark after yours was a real pick-me-up ... the person who claimed he'd like to moon someone!!
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:08 AM
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2. i feel sick
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Ruby Romaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:08 AM
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3. is it true? or could MSNBC be lying?
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seraph Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:09 AM
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8. No, FOX AIR saying same thing.

I was flipping and stopped when I heard that.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:09 AM
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9. It's an unconfirmed report from the Associated Press.
Believe it. It's over, everyone.

:grouphug:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:12 AM
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26. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
as I sit here, my daughter is asking my why I'm crying?? Hoe do you tell a 4 year old??
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:12 AM
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25. NBC News has now confirmed that Kerry has conceded to Bush.
:grouphug:
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seraph Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:09 AM
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4. At least your post stuck.


This really sucks.

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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:09 AM
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5. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:09 AM
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6. Good bye America
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 11:09 AM by DoYouEverWonder
n/t
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:10 AM
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15. Land of the FREE?>
n/t
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Plain old Doug Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:19 AM
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65. "Hello Amerika"
:cry:
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:09 AM
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7. fuck!
he said he'd count every vote! I know it was a long shot but still. We're so fucked! Kerry can go back to his wonderful life. We're all gonna have to deal w/ the consequences of this administration. Well, America, you've spoken. If I weren't affected by it I'd say you deserve all you get!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:10 AM
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10. Well now we know why they were so generous with their communications
with us rank and filers since last night. :grr:
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:10 AM
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11. It's all over now, Baby Blue
:evilfrown:
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Ms.Victory Donating Member (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:10 AM
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12. Damn!
They threw in the towel.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:10 AM
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13. No retreat, no surrender?!?!
I can't fathom this and my heart can't take much more if its true.
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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:10 AM
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14. He HAD to do that.....
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:12 AM
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22. You again?!
Of course he didn't "have to do that". He could have taken Edwards' advice and pursued it as zealously as the Repugs would were they in this position.

Are you enjoying yourself this morning?
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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:13 AM
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31. Not at all SIR. I am not. As I said I am pissed off. But not at Bush or
is war cabinet but at the 58 million people who let your Country DOWN!
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:15 AM
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45. Agreed
The popular vote margin was just too big for Kerry to drag this out.
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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:16 AM
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51. Thanks... for once a voice of reason!
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:26 AM
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83. And I'm pissed off at a party
that can't find a candiate who can beat somebody as bad as Bush. I don't think any of the original primary candidates could have won. Is that the best we can do?

We also need to face the fact that a traditional Northeast liberal is not going to win. Kennedy was the last one and he barely slid through.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:35 AM
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102. Thats my beef also...
All of stand on the titanic while these dumbass bush supporters rearrange the freaking deck chairs and the band plays on.

A POX ON ALL THEIR HOUSES!!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:11 AM
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16. so much for no surrender, no retreat
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:11 AM
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17. (If True..) Fuck you Kerry.
I trusted you to fight.

That's it. It's time to take over the Democratic Party.
We're a minority party, let's fight like one. We're the new Goldwaterites and this is our 1964.


It's time for a fresh start.
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missjudy6 Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:29 PM
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139. I'm with you Teaser.
Time to either fight or escape.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:11 AM
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18. I'm so fucking disappointed.
This sucks. I think I'm going to be sick.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:12 AM
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23. Just get mad.
Anger is power. Stay angry.
Angry at weak kneed Dems and corrupt Repugs.

Remake this party. Don't serve it.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:38 AM
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106. I happen to agree with that theory. Anger is power
I NEVER got so much done as when I was pissed off.
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LondonReign2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 05:12 PM
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142. As Johhny Rotten sang
Anger is an Energy.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:23 PM
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129. I keep going from sobbing to anger to acceptance back to anger.
I don't know if I'll ever sort this out.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:56 AM
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121. I am sick.
I'm closing up and going home.
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phylla Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:11 AM
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19. no-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:11 AM
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20. Where are our Thomas Jeffersons, George Washingtons, James Madisons
and Ben Franklins?!

----------------------------------------
Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter /
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:35 AM
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101. all dead in small plane crashes.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:11 AM
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21. BUSH IS TOAST AND ANYONE WHO IS WORRIED SUCKS!!!!!
....oh wait....
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:13 AM
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29. Worriers do suck still.
What did worrying get you?

Some ulcers and wasted time?
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:21 AM
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72. No, it got me not-devastated on election day and kept me...
...altert and intelligently informed.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:28 AM
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91. I know
you're right. I'm freaking puddle right now because i'm so scared. I really thought there would be change and there wasn't. I feel so helpless right now. I wish I had been like you.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:15 AM
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41. Good one! Thanks for the smile
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:12 AM
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24. I'm so sorry, everyone. I love you all so much.
Let's spend four more years together, and do this again in '08, ok?

:grouphug:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:15 AM
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43. back at you Jen and all my fellow DUers
I was just thinking I found this site just about a year ago today. And it changed my life in someways. I'm sticking around for all the fights. :grouphug:
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:18 AM
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64. Don't stop fighting!! Let's stick together, DUers!
We have found ourselves an oasis in a sea of madness here.

Let's keep it together, continue to love and support each other.

We fought the good fight. We played fair. We won't stop, and we'll be back.

:grouphug:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:00 PM
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123. I just woke up and am fighting back
tears as I learn what has happened overnight!

It would be a Million times worse without you guys! Thanks so much for being here!

:grouphug:
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:43 AM
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109. Me too. didn't find DU til this time last year...
I LOVE ALL OF YOU ...It's been a real education and on the PLUS side....I'm not alone in this...that would be too horrible to bear.

I'm willing to continue in DU if DU sees fit to keep the site going.

:grouphug:
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:17 AM
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53. I'll be here.
Dammit. :grr:
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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:18 AM
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57. I am worn out but I will try
:grouphug:
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:26 AM
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84. I love all of DU, too. You guys saved my life.
At my age I don't know if I'll see another election, and you sure made these last few months good ones for me.


I had that fire in my belly, that sparkle in my eye, that pride in my heart.

A group hug with all of you would be nice right now . . . but then, you'd see the tears streaming down my face.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:12 AM
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27. I'm numb......
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L.A.dweller Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #27
35. That;s how I felt last night.
Now tears are in my eyes. Kerry should have fought.
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Kerry212 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:12 AM
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28. wait! check this out!
all battelground states have indicated that a full recount should take place. we can STILL win. hang in there. fuck the chimp!
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:15 AM
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46. Link, please!
Please post a link!
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Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:13 AM
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30. Good God
This is the end of America. Does no one in power believe in the Constitution?
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:17 PM
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137. the constitution? Who follows that anymore in Bushworld?
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:13 AM
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32. before I go ballistic...
I want to hear his reasoning for this. I'll give him at least that courtesy.
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:15 AM
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47. His Reasoning
may be that he's a member of the reality-based community and can read the writing on the wall.
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frogfromthenorth2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:18 AM
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59. lol
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benito Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:13 AM
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33. Unfiltered on AAR
Is kinda pissed. I'm just as upset.
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hnsez Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:14 AM
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34. Just get mad.



Anger is power. Stay angry.
Angry at weak kneed Dems and corrupt Repugs.

Remake this party. Don't serve it.

SAY IT BROTHER!


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Kerry212 Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:15 AM
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42. exactly!!



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mdhunter Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:14 AM
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36. It's done. CNN just reportedit. 1:00 speech from Fanueil hall
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:14 AM
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37. did they use any skull and bones mumbo-jumbo?
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:14 AM
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38. Unbelieveable!!
Edwards just appeared on tv early this morning to say, "we pledged to you every vote would count..." well, what about those provisional votes? This is a waking nightmare we are living through.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:14 AM
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39. I am so disgusted.
A repeat of Al Gore. I thought sure he would wait awhile, just to be certain that all votes are counted.
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MajorFlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 05:59 PM
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143. "A repeat of Al Gore"? Al Gore exhausted all his legal remedies. He
made it clear that he would fight it to the very end. When the 5 Supremes bent over for shrub and declared the election over, Gore finally threw up his hands as he recognized that there was no higher court to appeal to. His litigation team pursued multiple issues in multiple forums and acquitted themselves well. Kerry's quick cave in makes Gore look downright heroic for his efforts.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:15 AM
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40. Oh God...I'm Dying!!!
Why??????

I can't breath!!!!
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makhno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:15 AM
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44. Fuck this shit
What happened to counting all the votes? Challenging? What the fuck, Democrats, what the fuck?

You can't legitimize that bastard!
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LiberalManiacfromOC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:15 AM
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48. I just heard....
But why?!
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Hephaistos Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:21 AM
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70. Not enough provisional ballots, maybe?
...or lack of balls
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Hephaistos Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:28 AM
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93. Likely less than 160k provisional ballots
according to the American Prospect blog:
http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archives/2004/11/index.h...

Extremely slim chance of there being enough votes to make up the difference.
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:15 AM
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49. Why do we always back
QUITTERS!
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:17 AM
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56. Trying not to be bitter, but...
Just this morning I said, "At least Kerry won't roll over and let Bush scratch his belly like Gore did."

Fuck I'm pissed at them!
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:16 AM
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50. Same shit different day
I thought Kerry would fight. I was wrong.

It's a sad day for America. The terrorists have won.

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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:18 AM
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62. The terrorists won? WTF?
Umm it was the american people who voted, not the terrorists. . .
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:24 AM
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80. Yes ...
In order for the Islamic Fundamentalist agenda to continue they will require an America who will continue to abuse their base, will continue to suppress their people, and will continue to give them a reason to fight on. Bush is a good thing for terrorists; Bush is a fundamentalist himself and so we have an administration who is fighting on the terrorist's level.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:28 AM
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88. But the Amerikan people voted for the real Terrorist - GWB...
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:16 AM
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52. Sad Day.
Temporarily (Perhaps): I've lost faith in the young vote. I've lost faith in this country's ability to recognize truth -- I've lost faith in American democracy. I no longer identify with American "democracy." I no longer identify with the majority of Americans. I am proud that my state went overwhelmingly for the better guy and I'm glad that my state is part of the north-eastern brain of America. Still -- I feel like this country is on its way to falling. Terrorists need not attack us -- terrorists need not worry about destroying America; Americans will do that themselves it seems.

We may lose our judicial system for decades. We may lose our freedom in the name of preventing false threats. Saudi Arabia won an election today -- Osama Bin Laden & Fundamentalism itself won an election today. Unfortunately and unlike these winners -- the American people will ultimately lose.
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WarhammerTwo Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:47 AM
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113. Couldn't agree more...
I feel the same way, Goob. The exact same way. The only vindication I have is that my home of New Jersey also voted for the guy with the brains in his head (but no spine, apparently)rather than the guy with a bible up his butt. ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG!

When the Patriot Act gets expanded (as Bush has pledged) and we lose our civil rights, when women will be forced to forfeit their lives during labor, when gays will be chased with a broom back into the closet, when the war drags on too long and the draft comes about (the draft would've happened under Kerry too if he couldn't get us out of there), when everyone withdraws their money from social security and today's seniors are left scratching their asses, when the middle class is utterly destroyed and everyone is either rich or poor, I will scream at any Bush supporter who complains, "Are you happy now?!"

Then I will move to Canada.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:17 AM
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54. fuck this
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:17 AM
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55. WHY???? WHY?????
I can hardly see my monitor through angry tears. WHY?

I thought every vote deserved to be counted. I thought we'd fight. What the fuck happened to that?

WHY?????

Screw all the people who voted for bush. They are racist hateful homophobic bigots who don't have three brain cells to rub together. And if you are reading this and voted for bush, YES I DO mean you. You voted for hate. You voted for bigotry. You voted for fearmongering. You voted for total fiscal irresponsibility. You voted for illegal unjust immoral wars of choice, and that makes you a total fucking bastard.

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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:19 AM
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67. Thats what I want to know. Why?
n/t
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Cornus Donating Member (720 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:44 AM
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110. My thoughts exactly nt
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Soth Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:18 AM
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58. *plays Taps*
Bye America. I'm sorry I have to watch you be buried.
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Katarina Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:18 AM
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60. Good God
What the fuck happened? We put our hearts and soul out to this man and this is what we get? Where's the fucking fight? What about all the uncounted votes?
What about ALL OF US???? I'm disgusted.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:26 AM
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81. What about Us....What about us.....eom
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neohippie Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:18 AM
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61. A divided house cannot stand
Now is the time to make sure that the Haliburton investigation and lies of this administration do not get forgotten. There certainly isn't any kind of clear mandate for Bush. The nation is obviously very divided over the mis-administration.
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:21 AM
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74. God's President ...
Perhaps not a mandate for Bush in our eyes but Bush will see this as America supporting his policies, his war crimes, and his religious agenda. Bush will take this as God giving him the right to continue pushing for church & state -- for over-turning roe v. wade -- etc. etc.
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clintonlover Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:55 AM
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119. how can you say
he has no mandate?--he was re elected...He won... thats his mandate...
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:18 AM
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63. I believed in this guy.
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:20 AM
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68. So next time can we run a candidate who might actually win?
Who'll run as a Democrat? Can we run a Howard Dean and not a compromise candidate--we can't win with them--if we've learned anything--it's that from the last two elections.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:02 PM
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124. The Democrats keep
running centrists who lose. What are they going to do now, move further to the right? Maybe now they will think of moving back to the left since their strategy of moving center right has been a failure.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:21 AM
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71. I did too
I really did.
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:21 AM
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73. Me too... made myself accept him, then learned to believe in him.
After fighting so hard for Clark, I had to fight doubly hard to accept Kerry. I believed in him.

"Fight for every vote?" Maybe those guys waving the flip-flops at me WERE on to something after all.

Sorry - not a troll. Just an incredibly depressed girl.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:55 AM
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120. Now is the time to say this....
I had lunch with a lifelong friend of whom I hadn't see in a long while. She is a democrat. We chatted and laughed together and we talked politics. THEN.........she said to me: Why can't the Democrats pick better candidates to run? This was said about Kerry.

I have to tell you, I felt that way too up until the last 2 months with all the bang on rallies.......Now I see she was tuned in all along.

I always thought it was odd that he came from behind all of a sudden in Iowa caucuses. Oh well, it's water under the bridge now. :cry:
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:07 PM
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125. I agree with your friend.
I know people who voted for Kerry but did not really like him. We do need more exciting candidates.
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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:19 AM
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66. HE OWES US A FUCKING EXPLAINATION!!!!
WHAT ABOUT "NO SURRENDER"???????

FIGHT GOD DAMNIT FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Lavender Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:20 AM
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69. He may be, but I'm not conceding
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:22 AM
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75. "No surrender" my ass
Maybe he had no alternative, but right now I'm so pissed at Kerry that I'll have to cool down a little before I understand this.
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hangemhigh Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:22 AM
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76. I am so pissed. Just wrote to kerry.
They owe us an explanation. Big time. Something is very wrong here.
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republicansareevil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:22 AM
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77. I'll believe it when I see a link
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:24 AM
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79. Here - AP story.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:23 AM
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78. Calm down people. The votes still get counted. Kerry had to do it.
Concessions don't stop the vote count. The vote cannot be certified in Ohio until all of the legal votes are counted. Kerry had no choice here. The numbers don't look likely - but in the unlikely event that he would end up carrying Ohio - he wins regardless of any concessions. He can then unconcede and claim victory.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:35 AM
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103. Kerry did not "have to" concede.
He could have very calmly and in a smiling mood say that all of the votes and contested counting would have to be finalized before anyone conceded anything. No point in rushing this, do the work, count the votes, sort out the messes, then see what the results are. There is always time to concede anywhere down the line. It did not have to be done now.
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cubsfan forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:41 AM
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108. I believe John Kerry is trying to head off the violence and hatred
that would inevitably accompany contesting the election. Be Angy with the 51% of the people ignorant enough to follow the little Hitler.


Oh, and a note to all of those "Straight shootin', hard-workin', 'manly men' in Ohio and elsewhere who voted for the man who shipped off their jobs to other countries:

"Hungry? Eat your B/C sticker!"

Professor 2

"The antidote to ignorance is education; there is NO cure for stupidity."
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:12 PM
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135. They counted the 2000 votes in Florida, eventually.
They showed that Gore won. Nobody gave a damn. Bush was President. It'll be the same thing now. If there is anything significant in the Ohio (or Florida) provisional ballots, we can count on the media to obfuscate it or make it disappear, just like 2000. The only difference is that Gore fought until the Supreme Court shut him down. Kerry didn't.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:26 PM
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138. when Kerry conceded it gave the perception that * is the winner.
Perceptions are hard to fight, perception is everything for R's. that's why Bush &co work so hard on creating them. Perception, not fact, got us into a war for crissake.

It is also a slap in the face to voters. Plain and simple.

It sends the message that votes don't really count, and of course they do, or they do if you actually fight those who suppress the vote or its outcome.

Kerry should not have conceded.
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:26 AM
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82. Kerry sold us out -- Damn You, Kerry, you took my contributions under...
...False Pretenses!

BushCo stole Ohio and Florida and who knows what else.

Now, BushCo will come and steal our Social Security money and give to the rich as tax cuts.

Younger people better start saving to help support their parents in the old age. Older people better prepare for a much lower standard of living, and perhaps even homelessness.

The Nightmare Years will begin NOW!

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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:26 AM
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85. That's a kick in the guts I didn't see coming
Shock and bitter disappointment doesn't even come close to how I'm feeling.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:41 PM
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140. I didn't expect Kerry to concede either.
I knew Bush would cheat, lie and steal and work as he did to bring out the "I hate homos vote", but Kerry had said he would not allow another Florida to happen.

I didn't know that rolling over on his back was the way he was going to avoid another Florida.

Maybe he's got a plan, but for now I'm mighty pissed at our Mr. Kerry.

And where in the fuck is Howard Dean when you need him.

Has anyone heard anything from Al gore or President Carter? I really want to hear from these guys. Bill and Hillary, too. What's our leadership have to say? I want to hear some of the anger, suspicion and doubt felt by Americans to be clearly expressed and I want some action.
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:27 AM
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86. ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
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BurgerMeister Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:27 AM
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87. GL
GL
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:28 AM
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89. Unbelievable!
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:28 AM
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90. He just told 54,782,697 Americans
to give up and forget it :cry:

Democracy is dead
America is dead
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Godhumor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:28 AM
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92. Well, now we pick up the pieces...
I think we need new blood in the party on both the public and behind-the-scenes level. I have decided to take a much more hands-on approach to politics within the next two years, as I am already looking at how to run for some local offices.

There can be no second honeymoon for Bush--we need to start hammering home that Republicans are in fairly complete control of the government, and they can not blame mistakes on anyone else. We need to be ready to step in early and show a viable choice for the voters in 2006 (here's hoping Dean takes over the DNC leadership) whenever republicans step on toes. Of course, I am discouraged by last night, but I am hoping this actually produces a rock-solid core that we can rebuild around and be ready to come out swinging every single time from here on out.

I am not giving up hope in this country of ours; I will not believe that people will watch it disappear without incident; I can not accept that a defeat today is the end of the world. Now is the time to show that we are true democrats, and that we will not roll over. Let a few heads in the DNC roll, get back to work, and accept this as a fact that our party needs to work harder. In less than 2 years we will be seen as the candle flickering in the dark.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:48 AM
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114. What people are you talking about?
You "will not believe that people will watch it disappear without incident"? What kind of "incident" are you looking for? It is kind of like the old skit where the little guy says "just step over this line and I'll punch you out!" And the guy steps over the line and the little guy draws a second line and says, Ok, just step over this line." And on and on. This is no longer the country we all thought it was. We have killed over 100,000 citizens in Iraq over the past 18 months and the American people don't care. The Bush gang is stealing the US blind, right in front of our noses, and the American people don't care. The Bush gang is systematically removing all of our civil rights and the American people don't care. It doesn't really matter what the Democratic party looks like, if it doesn't reflect what the American people actually are - brutish, racist, conquerors who have no concern for human rights; wild-eyed religious fanatics who want to bring back stonings and burnings and slavery; plantation owners who want to breed the better work force. No, dividing the physical country into parts is our only hope - and that would take a real, bloody war to accomplish.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:29 AM
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94. Good God Almighty....he's CONCEDING...I had to come back on
WTF????????????

I want my money back! I want the full year of my life working for and worrying about him BACK!

I just had to get up to respond to this...I had finally gone to lie down.........THEN THIS!

I'm speechless!!! No I"m not... I'm outraged by the fact that their camp didn't even bother to FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED! That is shitty.

Something hideous took place over night and they aren't going to find out what it was...WHAT A LET DOWN. How are we the every day struggling people going to MAKE it through this bush hell another four years? The poor are going to suffer big time; "Axis of Evil" countries will be invaded, more people will die.....we will be bankrupt

I'm angrier now than anytime in my entire life. Let me read your posts to see just how angry I should be.. Holy fucking cow :grr:
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:30 AM
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95. Some "Closer"
:eyes:

I'm outta here! I can't live my life in a country like this.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:30 AM
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96. Not watching anymore
I cannot reason why this happened in order to make sense out of it--there are at least ten different reasons I keep playing over in my head trying to come up with the "a hah" moment.

Truth is that it doesn't matter much at all what reason; Bush won. A majority of people in this country voted for his brand of fascism. They have sealed their/our fate.

What is left of the Democratic party is a pile of dead, spent ashes. I have no solution as to how it can be fixed. I have a nagging suspicion that not too many think it has to be fixed at all and will continue on playing games in Congress much to their egotistic delight.

I think it will take a very long time to return to the America I once knew.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:31 AM
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97. Well,at least we will be able to make fun of the results of repub hegemony
They will try to continue to blame Bill Clinton,and 9/11 for the results of their policies,and we will be there to continue to make fun of them for it.
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mojavekid Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:33 AM
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98. Pick up the pieces and start over.
quiet now, angry later.
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WillTheGoober Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:33 AM
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99. Popular Vote
By all means Bush won an overwhelming popular vote. As a supporter of popular vote -- I understand why Kerry has to concede here.

The difference between Bush and Kerry is that Kerry has integrity and is the better guy.

Hold on tight -- stick together -- we need to pick ourselves up off the floor and grow stronger.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:34 AM
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100. You're looking at the reason the Democrats will keep losing
WEAK! WEAK! WEAK!
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Steelangel Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:35 AM
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104. WHAT? WHY?
Kerry still have good chance! America IS DOOMED for good. I wonder what happen to our freedom & rights from now? Fuck it.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:35 AM
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105. fuck
welcome back to the 1950's. Why concede before all the votes were counted. fuck. How do I break this to my 16 yr old and not disallusion him from politics forever.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:13 PM
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127. Omg, I have a 16 yr old who came into my room on tender feet
searching my spirit for "how I was feeling". I told others here awhile ago, HOW WILL I LOOK MY TEEN IN THE EYES? How will he ever believe in anything positive again.

We spent this entire year in full steam ahead working for Democracy and a brighter future. He got all enthused about it too. I was so proud of him. It looked like this election was the ticket to cause him to perk up and want to get involved more fully with life and educationl

FUCK YOU REPUBS AND WEAK KNEED DEMS for doing this to my family.

My teen said that if Bush won, he would go to jail instead of being drafted. Either way, his life is screwed behind that catch 22.
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Maiden England Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:40 AM
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107. I don't understand how this can happen to America in 2004
Have we learnt nothing from history.
We can't give up, we just can't.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:45 AM
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111. Add to this their gains in the House and Senate.

Add to this their gains in the House and Senate for two elections in a row, and I have to say they finally have a mandate. I say the Democratic party should concentrate on rebuilding the party and building a propaganda arm to combat that of the Rightwing and let the Republicans govern as they see fit.

Let the Republicans give this country the fvcking it so desires. When the Rightwing nutjobs propose replacing the Income Tax with a 23% National Sales Tax, I say Dems should reply "the country gave you the mandate" and vote Aye. From that moment forward the largest tax paid by all Americans will be a Republican tax. The Republicans will henceforth be known as the tax-and-spend party. And, of course, with Republicans firmly in charge, it should prove impossible to blame the ensuing 50% inflation rate on Democrats as companies start passing on their extra 23% cost to the customer.

Okay, I realize that 50% inflation rate is probably low. If the manufacturer passes his 23% cost increase to the wholesaler, then the wholesaler will be paying 23% more for the product PLUS a 23% sales tax on the purchase of that product. So the wholesaler's cost has increased about 50% which will be passed on to the retailer who will also have to pay an additional 23% sales tax on that purchase. Which leaves the retailer's cost increase around 75% to be passed onto the consumer. This leaves the consumer paying a 23% sales tax on a product selling for 75% more.

Yeah. I like the idea of doubling the cost of everything. Should make people REAL happy with the Republican party.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:47 AM
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112. Here we go again.
We take the high ground for the "good of the country".

Since when did the Bush cabal do anything "for the good of the country".

We are fighting against terrorists, theives and revolutionaries here. This is a game where if you play by the rules you lose!
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Kerry in 04 Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:52 AM
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116. GOD DAMN IT KERRY YOU FUCKING PUSSY ASS BASTARD!!!!!!!!!
WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????? I DONATED MONEY LAST NIGHT ALONG WITH OTHERS SO YOU COULD FIGHT THIS BULLSHIT NOT BE A PUSSY AND GIVE UP LIKE GORE DID.



I AM SO FUCKING PISSED.
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makhno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:54 AM
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117. I hear you
"Give us money so we can betray you" isn't going to fly anymore, methinks.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:17 PM
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128. I asked for my money back too....
I'm a poor disabled woman but I pitched in each month for the first time in my life. I COULDN'T AFFORD that money. I feel like I've been ripped of by a televangelist!
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:54 AM
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118. W...what?
I'm numb all over and crying as I type this...all our work to depose that crooked SOB in the White House has been for nothing. We've failed again to try and make America see the truth.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:00 PM
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122. WAIT WAIT WAIT -- others can fight FOR Kerry.
There are organizations that can independently fight to find out about voter fraud. How much money does MoveOn still have? Could some lawyers get together and pool their pro-bono hours to fight this thing -- then KERRY isn't seen as the one fighting it, but more votes could still be found. Kerry conceding can be seen as the patriotic thing to do ... but others can keep fighting on in his name. He'll look good, and the fight will still go on!

If fraud is found (kicking out lots of fraudulent ballots or E-ballots) or if enough votes are found to trigger recounts in certain states, who knows?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:11 PM
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126. tell me where to send the $$$$$
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:28 PM
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130. I love you guys.
I don't know what to do do. There's no way we can win in '08. Doesn't anybody see? 2000, 2002, 2004... they're not going to let us win it. Democracy is just a illusion at this point.

I can't cry. I'm out of tears. All I can do is bunker down and prepare for the worst.
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Kerry in 04 Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:38 PM
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131. kick
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Kerry in 04 Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:38 PM
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132. kick
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JaneDoughnut Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:21 PM
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133. I'm devastated
Democracy is a joke. It has never been so clear or so devastating to me before. I'm ashamed to live in a country that would endorse the actions our leaders have taken over the last four years by giving them another four years, be it through legitimate election or failure to address fraud. Our rulers are corrupt and our citizens are willfully ignorant. Could it be worse? Oh yes. And it probably will be. Bush/Cheney '04 - Thanks for not paying attention!
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library_max Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:05 PM
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134. My apologies to every doubter regarding Kerry.
I was a Kerry supporter from early on in the primary contest. I honestly thought he'd be our best campaigner and best qualified to be President. It never occurred to me that he would just cave like this. For God's sake, Al Gore held on for weeks in 2000 with a LOT less reason for hope.

And don't tell me that the votes can be counted anyway. The votes were counted in Florida after Bush v. Gore and Gore's concession. They showed that Gore won. Nobody gave a damn. Counting the votes now will be purely a matter of academic interest, and if they do indicate anything significant we can count on the media to hide or obfuscate the facts. Our only hope was for Kerry to fight. And he didn't.
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ExclamationPoint Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:08 PM
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144. It was the liberal thing to do
Where would our integrity be, i ask, if we tried to steal the election like a bunch of stupid republicans? It is now our job to unite, and bring people to the middle of the political spectrum, not to push mindlessly left and right until we are in civil war. I beleive Kerry did the right thing, and maybe even gained the respect from a few repubs, or at least make them feel sorry for what they did.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 04:43 PM
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141. I was at Ground Zero when I heard this on my headphones
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 04:44 PM by robbedvoter
Now the 2 tragedies are forever linked. 911 and rollover. Shame.
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Hoosier Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 07:49 PM
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145. FUCK....Ideology trumped Principles
I've yet to hear or read the concession. I can't. Maybe in a couple days.

Once again, in the course of human events, ideology trumped principles.

Where do we go from here?

I live in a red state. I've got an MBA and a ok-paying job. The wife has her PhD and tenure.
How do we leave those?
How can we raise our 2-yr old and 4-yr old in this backward-ass fucking state? In this backward-ass fucking country?

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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 12:53 PM
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147. I'll get my revenge a little bit at a time
When Bush's revamped Supreme Court overturns Roe v Wade - if someones daughter gets raped by an ex-convict and is forced to have the baby, I'm going toask them if they voted for Kerry in 2004. If the answer is anything but YES, I'll laught right in her face.

When Bush reinstitutes the draft, and some young kid's number is up, I'm going to ask him/her if they or their parents voted for Kerry in 2004. If the answer is anything but YES, I'll laught right in her face.

When those that can still afford to go to college graduate and have to take a job at Mc Donalds or Taco Bell because all the good jobs have been sent overseas,I'm going to ask him/her if they or their parents voted for Kerry in 2004. If the answer is anything but YES, I'll laught right in her face.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 01:03 PM
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148. They probably won't answer you truthfully.
They're all a bunch of lying asshats.

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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-04-04 10:04 PM
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149. Is that a REAL newspaper fromt page, or a joke/parody.
If it's real, God Bless the British!
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