Osama didn't walk out of Tora Bora

[DoYouEverWonder]

he was flown out.


Officials deny bin Laden
escaped November capture

by J.S. Newton, Fayetteville Observer, 2 August 2002


The soldier said bin Laden's captured cook had told American military officials bin Laden's exact location.

But a Special Forces team captain on the ground would not give approval to go after bin Laden because there was no specific mission order to do so, the soldier said.

While the Army was deciding what to do, Special Forces soldiers saw two Russian-made helicopters fly into the area where bin Laden was believed to be, load up passengers and fly toward Pakistan.

"I said, `There he goes,'" the soldier said.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/linkscopy/OdbLeNc.html

[robbedvoter]

1. here's OBL perspective of things (February tape):

15. jeebus, OBL talk about Tora Bora
On 17 Ramadan, a very fierce bombardment began, particularly after the US command was certain that some of al-Qaeda leaders were still in Tora Bora, including the humble servant to God and the brother mujahid Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri.
The bombardment was round-the-clock and the warplanes continued to fly over us day and night.
War in Afghanistan
The US Pentagon, together with its allies, worked full time on blowing up and destroying this small spot, as well as on removing it entirely.
Planes poured their lava on us, particularly after accomplishing their main missions in Afghanistan.
The US forces attacked us with smart bombs, bombs that weigh thousands of pounds, cluster bombs, and bunker busters.
Bombers, like the B-52, used to fly over head for more than two hours and drop between 20 to 30 bombs at a time.
The modified C-130 aircraft kept carpet-bombing us at night, using modern types of bombs.
The US forces dared not break into our positions, despite the unprecedented massive bombing and terrible propaganda targeting this completely besieged small area.
This is in addition to the forces of hypocrites, whom they prodded to fight us for 15 days non-stop.
Every time the latter attacked us, we forced them out of our area carrying their dead and wounded.
'Alliance of evil'
Is there any clearer evidence of their cowardice, fear, and lies regarding their legends about their alleged power.
To sum it up, the battle resulted in the complete failure of the international alliance of evil, with all its forces, a small number of mujahideen - 300 mujahideen hunkered down in trenches spread over an area of one square mile under a temperature of -10 degrees Celsius.
The battle resulted in the injury of 6% of personnel - we hope God will accept them as martyrs - and the damage of two percent of the trenches, praise be to God
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=946056&mesg_id=946138&page=

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. The funny thing is

that I heard this exact story from a friend in NC, who knows one of these Delta Force guys since the kid was born. He claims he was there and that they had Osama surrounded. Then the big brass came in and told them to back off, that they were taking charge. Then the helicopters came and took Osama away. Needless to say this kid is one pissed off individual.

[FreakinDJ]

5. A deal worked out with the Saudi family to spear Osama's life

Bush couldn't burn his finacial bridge with the keepers of the franchise.

[TacticalPeek]

3. And Knight-Ridder's coverage:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000694851

"While more than 1,200 U.S. Marines sat at an abandoned air base in the desert 80 miles away, Franks and other commanders relied on three Afghan warlords and a small number of American, British and Australian special forces to stop al-Qaida and Taliban fighters from escaping across the mountains into Pakistan. Military and intelligence officials had warned Franks and others that the two main Afghan commanders, Hazrat Ali and Haji Zaman, couldn't be trusted, and they proved to be correct."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=947762#947854

[UL_Approved]

4. Gotta expose it

These kind of stories need to come out more often and need to get real exposure. How is it that we can put several thousand special-ops guys on the ground and have more technology on our side that they had in "Enemy Of The State", and still not manage to do something that plain-clothes cops do in our country every day? There can be no other explanation, and I just hope other people come to the same conclusion.

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. Remember that spat of 'suicides'

among the Fort Bragg troops. I just found this tidbit from David Icke that ties the suicides to the guys who were at Tora Bora. I never put the two together before. It seems that someone might have wanted to make sure these guys didn't hang around long to go telling tales?

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That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.

That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles2004/theorists.html

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

6. Freepers are starting a campaign to widely circulate Kerry's CNN comments

regarding Frank's approach in Tora Bora.

Here's what one poster said:
"This needs to be front page news all across this nation. On CNN, in 2001, when Tora Bora was underway, Kerry said that the Bush plan...
"is having its impact, and it is the best way to protect our troops and sort of minimalize the proximity, if you will. I think we have been doing this pretty effectively, and we should continue to do it that way."

This is undoubtedly another out-of-context quote. Seems to me it would be relevant to find out WHEN it was said in relation to the events going on in Afganistan, for instance. AND, what did Kerry know about the mission at the time he made the comment? Had he been briefed, for instance, that the Afganis to whom the mission was being outsourced had been fighting for the OTHER SIDE as recently as two weeks before the mission (I believe this is what I heard: I don't have the source at this point). It was Franks job to properly vet ANYONE who participated in such a crucial mission. There needs to be a counterargument out there.

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. Kerry and everyone else in Congress

was making their statements and judgments based on the information that the WH and DOD was feeding them. Now, 3 years later, we know that a lot of this information was nothing but a pack of lies. I think that when you receive new information or find out that you've been lied to , a change of opinion is to be expected.

[OnceAndFutureTruth]

9. I know that, and you know that, but the RW is making hay of Kerry

comments. There needs to be somebody looking into WHEN he said these things. Was it at the very beginning of the operation at Tora Bora, for instance? Maybe before Franks had actually contracted with the specific Afgan forces? From what I saw at Free Republic they are again planning to try to use out-of-context comments to deflect the valid criticisms that Kerry is making re: Tora Bora. Calling it a flip flop (that's probably as much what has gotten me worked up over this as anything!). SO, what is the timeline? Because that's critical. I am new here but know there are people here who are much more tied into the campaign than I am, so I am hoping they will become aware that there is a coordinated RW approach to this issue being called for at Free Republic, and respond accordingly. Especially, since right now this is a crucial issue to Kerry's argument for re-election: Here's ObL again, and you could have gotten him at Tora Bora.

[LynnTheDem]

10. dupe

[LynnTheDem]

11. That's just FREEPING LIES again and that's a FACT.

Kerry was answering a question about the troops using FLAME THROWERS.

NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with outsourcing.

Freeping rightwingnuts LIE. They ALWAYS LIE.

About EVERYTHING.

EVERY TIME.

Freeping rightwingnuts DON'T KNOW HOW to tell the TRUTH