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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:59 AM
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:01 AM
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1. I dare that ugly prick
to blame our troops
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:02 AM
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3. Looks like he already did. (nt)
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:02 AM
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2. Don't let up Kerry...this is just a huge mistake they made
nail 'em
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:04 AM
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4. Link?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:06 AM
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5. Bush/Cheney send Giuliani out to blame the troops?!? Outrageous!!!
How can these people say with a straight face that John Kerry and the Democrats are not supporting the troops! Unbelievable!!!

Has this administration taken responsibility for anything that has gone wrong on their watch?

It will be up to the voters to hold them accountable on November 2nd. We cannot rely on the cowardly media to speak truth to power.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:07 AM
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6. Now if we can just get the press to report it
MSNBC just now had their reporter saying "the Bush campaign is accusing Kerry of denigrating the troops."

It probably wouldn't be wise for me to hold my breath waiting for the same kind of report about Gulliani.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:08 AM
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7. I asume Kerry will mention this on
the stump
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jgardner Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:12 AM
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8. Bush keeps saying that Kerry doesn't
support the troops - HA! Guiliani was probably only repeating what he was told to say, but now that it's coming back to him he'll likely be ostracized by the GOP. They'll crucify anyone whose name doesn't start with B and end with Ush.
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endnote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:12 AM
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9. Well, 911 was Juliani's fault then...
He did not install machines guns on the twin towers...
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:13 AM
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10. And just yesterday, the a-hole in chief dissed Kerry by claiming
he denigrated the troops. Have I said lately how much I hate the vile piece of filth squatting in the people's house?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:16 AM
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11. absolutely boffo!
All the excuses are coming home to roost now.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:18 AM
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12. Any Active Duty military accessing DU from Iraq? Your thoughts?
Rudi Guiliani has just called you out.

3ID and 101st Airborne...the press is reporting that you were both at the site. Did you know that the IAEA had the explosives accounted for and under seal at the site?

Bush wants everyone to believe you failed to perform your duty.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 09:04 AM
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22. Hack's message board link
www.sftt.org
They have over 250 posts on the explosives from military.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 09:18 AM
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23. Can you link the forum topic
Or just tell me which sub forum its in. Thanks.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:20 AM
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13. YES JOE! Good work. Got a link? I want to forward.
:)
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:34 AM
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16. here is a link from john kerry blog
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:41 AM
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19. US Newswire link:
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Sara Beverley Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:31 AM
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14. The person truly responsible for this screw up is Rumsfeld. He and those
closest to him were directing the action on the ground. It was their orders that the troops were following. And that was to secure the oil ministry and the oil wells at all costs. They did not heed the warnins of the inspectors who told them to secure the cache of traditional weapontry and explosives. This is an administration of proven arrogance and ignorance. Anyone who would vote for Bush because 9/11 happened is living in denial. 9/11 happened on Bush's watch and this administration ignored all the warnings about it beforehand.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:43 AM
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20. Thank you for saying what needed to be said
Why does Rumsfeld still have a job? He bullied the military into backing his stupidity and now all hell is breaking loose.

He seems to be making good use of Cheney's hidey hole since Abu Ghraib.

Frog march!!
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:33 AM
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15. I love how they are so willing to blame our troop for their own mess ups!!
The same with the prison scandel- sure blame the 19 year olds who are dying in YOUR war.

(closing my eyes and envisioning this regime coming to an end)
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:40 AM
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17. Sounds Like Abu Ghraib And The "Bad Apples" of Corporate Malfeasance
Abu Ghraib was the fault of a couple of bumpkins abusing their power, nothing to do with the climate clearly established by the administration's pooh-pooh-ing of the Geneva Conventions.

Likewise, the major corporate scandals under Bush's watch were about a few bad apples, and had nothing to do with out of control deregulations set by the White House.
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:40 AM
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18. I caught that too, And Matt Lauer quickly changed the subject
It's just part of the "full service" for Bushites on NBC.

Just before that Campbell Brown did an attack interview on John Edwards wherein she peddled the Bush line on the missing high explosives.

Wonder if the kstp-tv video will change that?


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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 09:30 AM
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25. Here's a link to . . .
my contemporaneous post from this morning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I actually thought that I misheard for an instant. And, I'm glad Lauer changed the subject and didn't challenge Guiliani. If Lauer had called Giuliani on his comment, Giuliani would have had an opportunity to backtrack and explain it away!

As it is, Shrub and Giuliani are on the defensive, and they must attempt to explain the comment in the media. Any excuse will ring hollow, and be perceived as backfilling.

I certainly don't think Lauer consciously elected to not follow-up or to change the subject. Rather, he appears to have been working from a script. I don't think that he's too quick on his feet!



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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 08:59 AM
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21. Did Rudy just suggest that our troops should have disobeyed orders?
Since they were never told to thoroughly search al Qaqaa, nor were they given sufficient time to do so. Should they have told their commanding officers they REFUSED to go to Baghdad until the entire facility was tagged and marked?

Really, Rudy, I'd like to know. And to think there was a time when I didn't actively loathe you.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 09:23 AM
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24. And the polls says the majority of the military support Bush.
Why?
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 09:38 AM
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26. Here's the video
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:18 PM
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33. Thanks that's the link I needed I just couldn't believe it till I heard it
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 10:26 AM
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27. Hey Guliani how the heck are our troops supposed to search carefully
enough for high explosives when their orders were to guard the oil pipelines and the oil ministry ????

Support our troops. Dump W.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:12 PM
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28. Go Joe Go!
I have to say I'm extremely pleased that Kerry made the decision to bring Joe Lockhart onto the campaign team.

What a bulldog he has been! I love it!
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rlev1223 Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:15 PM
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29. He just effed himself out of future Prez bids
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:33 PM
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35. Save that tape!
Rudy can be pilloried with that tape if he tries to run for national office. That's about as low as a "leader" can go--blame the grunts.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:15 PM
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30. I just wish they'd quit calling this clown "America's Mayor".
I think he's a pig, and he damned sure ain't my mayor.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:17 PM
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31. Joe Lockhart for DNC chairman!!!! n/t
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StElsewhere Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:58 PM
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32. Lying his ass off
I live in New Jersey. Shortly after 9/11 I watched a documentary that apparently was filmed the day the towers fell. Here's Guiliani, outside amid the carnage of that day, screaming because he placed two calls to the White House to say New York City was under attack and still had received no response. Three years later, this lying prick, stands before the Republican National Convention and says, " On that day, I turned to Bernard Kerick and said, thank God, George W. Bush is President."
He's not only a pig for blaming our troops, he's a lying pig.
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:32 PM
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34. it's the 101st airborne
not what you might call amateurs. bush is always flapping his trap about being the commander-in-chief. well, dumb fuck, that means the buck stops with you. it's always somebody elses fault isn't it?
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allalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 07:36 PM
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36. anyway
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 07:37 PM by allalone
who cares what that little prick thimks
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