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MileHiStealth Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:36 PM
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Rolling Stone writer infiltrates Republican Campaign
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6539082?&rnd=1097563943513&has-player=true&version=6.0.11.847


My favorite paragraph ...

The story's only saving grace was that the truth was so much more unbelievable. Republicans are paranoid enough to expect a mole from the Kerry campaign, but I was far worse than that -- a dissolute, drug-abusing anarchist who reads the battle diaries of Vietnamese generals on rainy days, roots for Russia at the Olympics and once published an article titled "God Can Suck My Dick." I was, in short, the most offensive individual who could conceivably be planted in the campaign of George W. Bush. I was tempted to feel guilty about this. But in the end I figured that it was only fair. Since John Ashcroft has made it easy for FBI agents to infiltrate anti-war groups, it seemed to make sense that an anti-war journalist should infiltrate Ashcroft's party.

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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:50 PM
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1. Wow...
That's pretty incredible! They actually sound like the people in the freeper posts that are copied over here!

I think the only way I could get through the period of time he did.. was knowing that I'd be exposing them later in Rollin Stone Magazine!!

Great article. I saved it so I could read it again later :)
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elepet Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:51 PM
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2. that was a great article!
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 11:56 PM
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3. Here's my favorite!
"We have kids now, because they know you're a Christian, they go out of their way to make your life miserable," I said. "I know this one guy. They'll take his Bible from his classroom and snort cocaine off it, right in front of him!"

Susie put her hands over her heart.

"They'll get suspended for a week," I said. "But then they're right back in there."
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:04 AM
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4. He hits the nail on the head here:
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 12:10 AM by JohnnyCougar
But here's the twist. {Repukes} are not looking for facts with which to defeat opponents. They are looking for facts that ensure them an ever-expanding roster of opponents. They can be correct facts, incorrect facts, irrelevant facts, it doesn't matter. The point is not to win the argument, the point is to make sure the argument never stops. Permanent war isn't a policy imposed from above; it's an emotional imperative that rises from the bottom. In a way, it actually helps if the fact is dubious or untrue (like the Swift-boat business), because that guarantees an argument. You're arguing the particulars, where you're right, while they're arguing the underlying generalities, where they are.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:28 AM
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17. and also here:
"Once you grasp this fact, you're a long way to understanding what the Hannitys and Limbaughs figured out long ago: These people will swallow anything you feed them, so long as it leaves them with a demon to wrestle with in their dreams."

This is so true.. what a fantastic article
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:08 AM
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5. I think the story of the black voter, Lorin, was the most compelling..
.. Unbelievable how racist those people were. Sounds like he's done with them... And the crazy deputy. OMG. Great reads.
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MileHiStealth Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:24 AM
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9. The clone army !!!
Yea , that was hilarious. Gives you insight into
their warped mindset . To think this freak is
allowed to carry a gun ...
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:11 AM
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6. Wow. That article really got to me.
Beautiful read. Thank you.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:21 AM
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7. This is good stuff!
"The problem not only with fundamentalist Christians but with Republicans in general is not that they act on blind faith, without thinking. The problem is that they are incorrigible doubters with an insatiable appetite for Evidence. What they get off on is not Believing, but in having their beliefs tested. That's why their conversations and their media are so completely dominated by implacable bogeymen: marrying gays, liberals, the ACLU, Sean Penn, Europeans and so on. Their faith both in God and in their political convictions is too weak to survive without an unceasing string of real and imaginary confrontations with those people -- and for those confrontations, they are constantly assembling evidence and facts to make their case.

"But here's the twist. They are not looking for facts with which to defeat opponents. They are looking for facts that ensure them an ever-expanding roster of opponents. They can be correct facts, incorrect facts, irrelevant facts, it doesn't matter. The point is not to win the argument, the point is to make sure the argument never stops. Permanent war isn't a policy imposed from above; it's an emotional imperative that rises from the bottom. In a way, it actually helps if the fact is dubious or untrue (like the Swift-boat business), because that guarantees an argument. You're arguing the particulars, where you're right, while they're arguing the underlying generalities, where they are.

"Once you grasp this fact, you're a long way to understanding what the Hannitys and Limbaughs figured out long ago: These people will swallow anything you feed them, so long as it leaves them with a demon to wrestle with in their dreams."

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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 02:54 AM
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19. This is the sad part about those Christians...To have your
faith so weak that you must be tested on it. My faith is there...I know I love God, and that He loves me. I have no need to be tested. Am I a good Christian who does everything that God asks of me? No but I know that in the end, God loves me unconditionally just as I love Him. I think these Christians have forgotten this, that in the end it comes down to love, the love we have for each other and for God. (unless you, the reader, do not believe in God...but then to each his own :) )
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:24 AM
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24. I think it's weak because they're afraid to look at their faith critically
Often Fundamentalists have come from some bad place in their lives, be it drug abuse or alcoholism or the like. Their faith is a life-preserver. It's what's keeping them alive and sober sometimes.

As such they cling to it, and any ideas they have about it, however misguided, must not be challenged.

But a faith that never goes through the fire is bound to be weak. Faith that can't stand up to knowledge is too easily knocked down. It's the coming out the other side after a serious bout of asking and questioning that makes a faith stronger.

That's how I see it, anyway.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:45 AM
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26. I think you are right...I mean my faith has never been
tested because I have always felt that God was there...not talking to me but there. Maybe these people's faith is such because they do not feel God is there...even though He is. Because something made them reach out...they might not have learned how to know that God is there.

But then that is not really something that can be taught or expressed into words.

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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:23 AM
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8. Mosh! How Hunter S Thompson of him!
I fucking love it!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:26 AM
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10. Two Thumbs Up!!!
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telex54 Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:29 AM
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11. My only complaint...
is that it was too short! Fascinating.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:00 AM
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15. Yes! Yes! More!

Ahh. Hopefully there will be another installment.

Classic.
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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:38 AM
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12. Supermoshkick!
Now I feel a LOT more confident that we will crush them in Florida.
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NDFan Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 12:56 AM
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13. Wow
Fascinating article!

I can't help but feel a sense of profound sadness for these people. Cloned army? Left Behind?

It's pathetic, in a very sad way.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:00 AM
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14. Wow. Weirdos on Jesus.
Great article but it scared me. Too close to the essential shallowness of the freeper. Vacuous souls w/cookie-cutter, zombie personalities - like the living dead.

Ick. Creepy.
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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 01:13 AM
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16. Two favorites for me
I got a real kick out of the deputy's clone army.

I felt sad for Lorin Jones, allowing himself to be used and abused by the rest of the staff. I was very happy to read that he said, "I think I might be done with these people." I really hope Lorin sees the light.
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 02:02 AM
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18. This HAS TO BE the FUNNIEST G-D article I have read yet in this campaign..
Edited on Thu Oct-28-04 02:05 AM by HuskerDem
"This is the wrong approach. As a professional misanthrope, I believe that if you are going to hate a person, you ought to do it properly. You should go and live in his shoes for a while and see at the end of it how much you hate yourself.

This was what I was doing down in Florida. The real challenge wasn't just trying to understand these Republicans. It was to become the best Republican I could be. Republicans are everywhere, but everywhere is not a good place to look for them. For my purposes I wanted to try to catch them in their ideal habitat. That was why I chose Orlando. For me, it is hell on earth, the worst city on the planet, a place that would make me long for Kinshasa or Volokolamsk. But for Republicans, it is ideal: a scorching-hot paved inland archipelago of garish shopping malls and stadium-size steel-and-glass Baptist churches, a place with no nonhuman life apart from the caged animals at the theme parks, and an entire economy organized around monstrous temples to fake experience." <snip>

" In my first month on the campaign, I did not meet many people who came into the office with the serious intention of working hard for the president. I did, however, meet a great many very lonely people who came in because they knew the Bush offices were the one place where they could share certain deeply held ideas without being ridiculed." - GOTTA LOVE THAT!

AND THEN THERE's THE PART THAT's NOT FUNNY AT ALL


The very telling- "In mid-July a girlfriend came down from New York to visit me. I recruited her to help me with an idea I'd had to at least temporarily diversify my office environment. We decided that she would pose as a reporter for Vibe magazine, call our offices and ask whoever answered the phone if she could interview our "black volunteers."

"Penny" got my officemate Ben Adrian on the phone, and he instituted a frantic search that lasted several days. We thought at first that we might have a black professor from the University of Central Florida (sixteen miles away) on our volunteer list, but he turned out not to be available. Then Rhyan Metzler, the local Republican Party operative, gave us the number of an elderly man in Sarasota named Johnny Hunter.

As the chairman of the Federation of Black Republicans for the Republican Party of the State of Florida, Johnny was used to being called to this sort of duty. On the phone with "Penny," he explained that his job involved traveling around the state to meet people. "Wherever they need me," he said, "that's where I be rolling to." Finally, Ben came through with someone more local. He managed to persuade a thirty-seven-year-old Promise Keeper Christian named Lorin Jones, a phlegmatic fellow who was recovering from two brushes with congestive heart failure, to come in for an interview.

We scheduled it, but "Penny" never showed up. I wanted to be there for what I knew would be an excruciatingly awkward situation; the lone black volunteer, dragged into the office to show off to the media, surrounded by a bunch of nervously small-talking white Republicans waiting for the no-show journalist.

Exactly this situation materialized. The bespectacled Lorin sat surrounded by me, Ben and a few other folks from the campaign, and treated this anxious clock-watching crowd to a lesson in the vagaries of black urban existence: "My dad was a drinker," he said. "He cared about the bottle more than he loved us. But what my mom did was, she worked -- she was there in the afternoon; she wanted to see what we were doing in school.... "

"Gee," mumbled Ben. "I can't imagine the strength.... I'd like to meet her."

"I know what it's like to have a parent who'll put a belt on my butt," Lorin continued.

Nervous silence. Nods.

A few minutes later, "Penny" called to cancel, citing car trouble. Lorin hung in there for a few minutes. Our older volunteer coordinator, Don Madden, came over to chat; the two of them apparently went to neighboring schools in California. Don's school, Don said, was great at basketball, but, he said, winking at Lorin, "You were probably the only guys who could have beaten us."

Lorin laughed uncomfortably. "We were OK," he said. "We were pretty good. Our college was pretty good at basketball."

Then another staffer came over to say hi. He knew Lorin from past campaigns and asked if Lorin was planning on coming in to do phone banking. Lorin answered that he wasn't, that he was busy setting up a school-supplies giveaway charity event in his neighborhood. The staffer laughed.

"Oh, come on," he said jokingly. "I know how you people don't like to work." Lorin, who was halfway out the door, stopped at this. His smile disappeared. For a moment, he was genuinely pissed off. "We don't like to work?" he said. "That's all I do is work to make you white Republicans look good."

The staffer, a jovial guy who I normally liked quite a bit, said nothing and simply slapped Lorin on the back, laughed and helped him out the door.

"Good old Lorin," he said, going back to his office."

I do hate them, and I don't feel a bit of guilt about it.
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bloodyjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 03:14 AM
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20. Did you know that Agatha Christie turns red-blooded American males into...
TRANSVESTITES
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 03:52 AM
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21. MATT TAIBBI
...this guy is not half bad...
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:55 AM
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27. No, he is half bad
this is his good half. His bad half was one of the nastiest smear pieces on Wes Clark ever. I'll never forget that name.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 02:22 PM
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29. Never read it- but this piece was entertaining as hell. n/t
n/t
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flygal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:12 AM
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22. My favorite..
The mother who's son won't marry his girlfriend.

"You should give him those Left Behind books," I said solemnly.

I took a deep breath. Throwing out Left Behind -- that runaway best seller in which God comes to earth and literally yanks the believers to heaven, leaving piles of still-warm clothes and dentures behind with the condemned -- was like being a novice wizard and saying a spell for the first time. I wasn't sure it would actually work. It did.

"He won't read 'em," Susie answered seriously.

"He won't read them?" I cried, shocked.

"He won't read 'em," she repeated. "He doesn't like the way it makes him feel."

Hmmmm - my kind of guy!
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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:16 AM
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23. Is his dad a reporter for NBC?
I think his name's Mike or something.

Funny and scary all at the same time.

This part killed me:
>>Dinner started at about seven. John Kerry was set to accept the nomination at the FleetCenter in a few hours. Dinner Table wondered if the terrorists would strike. "No, no," Susie said. "The criminals wouldn't attack their own kind."<<


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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:29 AM
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25. Hahaha, that's one of the best things I've ever read.
I especially love the clone army. Why did I suddenly hear Senator Palpatine's voice in my head?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 04:58 AM
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28. Here's a pic of your typical Republican operative
This gal is the Secretary of the Alachua Co Republican Party. Here she is in all her glory flipping me a modified bird. I bet this fellow met 100's of repugs just like this one down here in the Sunshine State.



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Radio-Active Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 02:26 PM
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30. I hope the Republicans like jailbird fashion
they should get used to it!
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-28-04 02:42 PM
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31. "They all think they're so cool and artistic,"
My God, that describes me to a tee!

:evilgrin:
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