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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:25 PM
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the GREATESt anti-Bush video or ad yet
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eriffle Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:32 PM
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1. Man
Edited on Mon Oct-25-04 10:33 PM by eriffle
I'm not a big Eminem fan, but geez, that's powerful.

On Edit: Man I love the ending, do what's right and vote him out.
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Hailtothechimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:48 PM
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14. That hits just the right chord.
Dark. Angry. Relentless. and, most of all, ready to act on it.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:26 AM
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137. I am so glad Eminem has realized the power of his talent.
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 10:41 AM by jdjkkse
and is astute enough to know that the people who are his most loyal supporters are also the people who are most likely to get drafted.

Does anyone know the name of this tune? I'd like to get the lyrics.

God bless him for fighting the REAL enemy, finally.

Now he's getting up to prophet status.

"No more blood for oil. We got our own battle to fight on our own soil."

Now that's what I call art!

edit: for those not in the know, like me, it's called "Mosh".
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:59 AM
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152. Today Salon's Michelle Goldberg has article on Eminem's "Mosh"
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 11:00 AM by flpoljunkie
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/26/eminem/pri...

Download "Mosh," the most powerful broadside against the administration since "Fahrenheit 9/11."

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Michelle Goldberg

Oct. 26, 2004 |

<>The beautifully animated video, which is directed by Ian Inaba, opens with a classroom. At the front is a man in a blue suit, his face buried in an upside down children's book that says "My Pet," with a picture of a bush. Just as the man is revealed to be Eminem, the scene changes, and we see the singer taping up newspaper stories to a wall -- "Sick Wounded Troops Held in Squalor," says one. "Civil Liberties at Stake," says another. "Bush Knew," says a third.

In five minutes, Eminem manages a furious indictment of the administration that will likely resonate among many troops in Iraq as well as disaffected kids here at home. In one scene, a smiling soldier returns home from Baghdad, only to be handed a notice announcing that he has to go back. As Eminem sings, "fuck Bush," the soldier mouths the words.

Then we see a woman walking home in the rain, carrying groceries and an envelope. Inside is an eviction notice. As she reads it, we hear Eminem saying, "Maybe this is God just saying we're responsible for this monster, this coward that we have empowered." The woman looks at her TV, where Bush is speaking over a banner that says "Tax Cuts." She looks at her terrified children, then back at the screen, which says, "Breaking NewsTerror Alert."

It all ends amazingly earnestly, with Eminem leading a black-clad army to the voting booth. Once again, Bush proves he really does have wonder working powers -- by behaving even more callously and irresponsibly than the most outrageous rapper, he's turned music's foremost enfant terrible into a role model of civic engagement.


Now we just have to see if MTV has the guts to air it.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:32 PM
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2. wow, this is big.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:39 PM
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I'm wary of overstating this but,
That might be one of the greatest protest songs I've ever heard. Certainly the best protest song in that genre.

Watching that evokes emotion. In a major way.

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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:57 PM
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49. Without a doubt the greatest hip-hop protest song!!!! WOW!
Eminem is going to deliver Kerry the youth vote. Damn that was good. I really am speechless. And this coming from someone who really doesn't like this kind of music. I'm now convinced that he really DOES have some talent. WOW!!!!!!
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:41 AM
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78. I loved it
But my favorite protest song is still Fuck a War by the Geto Boys from the previous Gulf War.

Here are the lyrics:
http://www.redrat.net/BUSH_WAR/fuck_a_war/lyrics.htm

Obviously, the eminem track will be getting a bit more radio play...
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:26 AM
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136. He has the troops in mind
which is surprising to me, but on reflection should not be; he has to know that many of his fans are the poorer who make up many, if not most of the troops in Iraq.

On the topic of hip-hop protest songs, "Fuck the Police" is probably the penultimate song of that genre. To the point, with serious attitude, and expressing what just about every young, black man (who were NWA's main audience at first) wanted to say, but couldn't.
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Zang Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:01 AM
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266. hehe
Don't forget about Gil-Scott Heron's "The revolution will not be televised"

Late 60's rap, man was ahead of his time.
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:10 PM
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235. I had the same thought
I thought exactly the same thing the first time I saw it-it might be the greatest protest song ever written. It actually brought me to tears.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:32 AM
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140. here's a contact form for MTV, scroll down and tell them to play it!
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 11:05 AM by jdjkkse
http://www.mtv.com/news/youtellus /

the only contact I could find for VH1 is the
help page

help@vh1.com

here are some e-mails for BET (Black entertainment television)

videolink@bet.com
Hits@BET.com
RapCity@BET.com

BET just pulled his Michael video, so I don't know how warm they are to him right now, but this message is definitely geared to the BET audience.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:34 PM
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3. Dethrone ...
"Dethrone this weapon of mass destruction ..."

I am in awe. I have been wondering where the rage is in our music, where is the call to arms. I see it now and again, but this was simple and plain and clear.

I once could not tolerate this guy. Then he grew on me. I think I just became a fan.

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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:52 PM
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45. The rage is there
Check out Rock Against Bush, so good they had to make 2 volumes!
http://www.fatwreck.com/junk/rab.html

Also

Green Day -- American Idiot
http://www.greenday.com /

and

Steve Earle -- The Revolution Starts Now
http://www.steveearle.com


The rage is there, you just have to look a little harder, mainstream music press is too busy with Jessica or Ashlee Simpson or some other such crap.

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:48 AM
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64. Greenday's albumn is AWESOME!!!
This is a song called Holiday

"Holiday"

Hear the sound of the falling rain
Coming down like an Armageddon flame (Hey!)
The shame
The ones who died without a name

Hear the dogs howling out of key
To a hymn called "Faith and Misery" (Hey!)
And bleed, the company lost the war today

I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives
On holiday


Hear the drum pounding out of time
Another protestor has crossed the line (Hey!)
To find, the money's on the other side

Can I get another Amen? (Amen!)
There's a flag wrapped around the score of men (Hey!)
A gag, A plastic bag on a monument

I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives
On holiday

"The representative from California has the floor"

Sieg Heil to the president gasman
Bombs away is your punishment
Pulverize the Eiffel towers
Who criticize your government
Bang bang goes the broken glass man
Kill all the fags that don't agree
Trials by fire, setting fire
Is not a way that's meant for me
Just cause, just cause, because we're outlaws yeah!

I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives
I beg to dream and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives

This is our lives on holiday
__________________________________________________________

I find myself yelling that bolded part.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:27 AM
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88. i have been blown away by the new green day album
it doesn't even really compare to their earlier work. it seems much more focused, mature, and deliberate. it has a certain feeling throughout the whole album. really a great peice of work.

it is kind of coincidental that green day was one of the few show stoppers at that woodstock '99 and now they have released an album that really tells a tale of the times.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:04 AM
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94. I beg to dream
and differ from the hollow lies
This is the dawning of the rest of our lives

that's going to be my mantra on Nov. 2
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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:02 AM
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80. Yup. Both Fat Wreck & Epitaph have done a lot for our movement
They have consistently supported the effort to oust Bush.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:02 AM
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93. this fucker is going down....
i have been saying it for months, but it's near now....Bush is history.
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:50 PM
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189. Reality Check
"This fucker is going to steal another!" WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT! :mad:
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:20 PM
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198. first off, black hoodies for EVERYONE!
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:10 AM
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96. I really like Rock against Bush
I bought it thinking I probably would end up listening to only a few songs from it, but it has mostly great songs.

And the eminem video is incredible, I hope it has a big effect, and makes the younger generation feel that this country should be thinking of THEIR future, not catering to a bunch of greedy, old guys who are using war for a substitute Viagra pill.

I remember reading a post by Mopaul, saying Hendrix's Star Spangled Banner had a big effect on him, making him realize this country was for him too, not just the people that claimed they were the "true" Americans. I hope this song does the same for the modern-day generation.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:24 AM
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103. My daughter (12) loves it, and so do I
She's turned some of her friends on to it, too.

There are some great songs on both volumes.

I hate that people think there is no resistance rock anymore; there is plenty, you just have to look.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:31 AM
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139. Green Day onboard?
That explains this:
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:25 AM
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159. lyrics to "American Idiot"
Don't want to be an American idiot.
Don't want a nation under the new media.
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mindfuck America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the idiot nation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.

Well maybe I'm the faggot America.
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda.
Now everybody do the propaganda.
And sing along in the age of paranoia.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the idiot nation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.

Don't want to be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information age of hysteria.
It's going out to idiot America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the idiot nation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.




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JLucas4092 Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:45 AM
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148. Even Groups You Wouldn't Expect
Jimmy Eat World's new album. The first lyrics on the entire album.

"I always believed in futures. I hope for better, in November."

Kerry's gonna have some great options for his innaguration.
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hangemhigh Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:34 PM
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4. Like Eminem....
Love this!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:34 PM
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5. Stay safe Eminem
No doubt he's on the hit list now.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:38 AM
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61. "If I get sniped tonight you'll know why, because I told you to fight"
Yep. He knows it, too.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:36 PM
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6. That is as powerful a statement as any music video
ever made.

Awesome song and even better video.

I'm floored, I didn't think Eminem had it in him.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:37 PM
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7. Mosh Lyrics
And to the Republic for which it stands
One nation under God
Indivisible・
It feels so good to be back..]

Scrutinize every word, memorize every line
I spit it once, refuel, reenergize, and rewind
I give sight to the blind, mind sight through the mind
I ostracize my right to express when I feel it's time
It's just all in your mind, what you interpret it as
I say to fight you take it as I知 gonna whip someone's ass
If you don't understand don't even bother to ask
A father who has grown up with a fatherless past
Who has blown up now to rap phenomenon that has
Or at least shows no difficulty multi task
And juggling both, perhaps mastered his craft slash
Entrepreneur who has held long too few more rap acts
Who has had a few obstacles thrown his way through the last half
Of his career typical manure moving past that
Mister kiss his ass crack, he's a class act
Rubber band man, yea he just snaps back

Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness
As I provide just enough spark, that we need to proceed
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength,
Come with me, and I won't stear you wrong
Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog
Till the light, at the end, of the tunnel, we gonna fight,
We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp
We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors

To the people up top, on the side and the middle,
Come together, let's all bomb and swamp just a little
Just let it gradually build, from the front to the back
All you can see is a sea of people, some white and some black
Don't matter what color, all that matters is we gathered together
To celebrate for the same cause, no matter the weather
If it rains let it rain, yea the wetter the better
They ain't gonna stop us, they can't, we're stronger now more then ever,
They tell us no we say yea, they tell us stop we say go,
Rebel with a rebel yell, raise hell we gonna let em know
Stomp, push up, mush, fuck Bush, until they bring our troops home come on just . . .

Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness
As I provide just enough spark, that we need to proceed
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength,
Come with me, and I won't stear you wrong
Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog
Till the light, at the end, of the tunnel, we gonna fight,
We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp
We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors, come on

Imagine it pouring, it's raining down on us,
Mosh pits outside the oval office
Someone's trying to tell us something, maybe this is God just saying
we're responsible for this monster, this coward, that we have empowered
This is Bin Laden, look at his head nodding,
How could we allow something like this, Without pumping our fist
Now this is our, final hour
Let me be the voice, and your strength, and your choice
Let me simplify the rhyme, just to amplify the noise
Try to amplify the times it, and multiply it by six
Teen million people are equal of this high pitch
Maybe we can reach Al Quaida through my speech
Let the President answer on high anarchy
Strap him with AK-47, let him go
Fight his own war, let him impress daddy that way
No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our soil
No more psychological warfare to trick us to think that we ain't loyal
If we don't serve our own country we're patronizing a hero
Look in his eyes, it's all lies, the stars and stripes
They've been swiped, washed out and wiped,
And Replaced with his own face, mosh now or die
If I get sniped tonight you'll know why, because I told you to fight

So come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness
As I provide just enough spark, that we need to proceed
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength,
Come with me, and I won't stear you wrong
Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog
Till the light, at the end, of the tunnel, we gonna fight,
We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp
We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors


And as we proceed, to mosh through this desert storm, in these closing statements, if they should argue, let us beg to differ, as we set aside our differences, and assemble our own army, to disarm this weapon of mass destruction that we call our president, for the present, and mosh for the future of our next generation, to speak and be heard, Mr. President, Mr. Senator
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:58 AM
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73. over 60 and thanks VERY MUCH for the lyrics....needed them
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:58 AM
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84. WOW! I've been complaining that the Jester has been AWOL.
But now, who cares!

Dylan don't need to retread, he can stay dead.
Lost his space. Eminem took his place!


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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:53 AM
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149. now THAT
is BS..

Dylan was the MASTER - he wrote SONGS, not schoolyard muzak chants..

sorry, but MM is not any kind of genius or even a muscian, he's up there with Vanilla Ice if you ask me..

It's a free country, but HE ain't worthy to hold Dylan's coat..

sorry..
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #149
169. do you know what explication is?
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 11:44 AM by jdjkkse
I am not and have never been a fan of Eminem, being a queer feminist, BUT if you put any repetitive rhyme scheme (a/b/a/b/a/b/etcetczzzzzzzzzzz) masculine rhymed Dylan song

"the answer my FRIEND/is blowin in the WIND"

jiminy cricket, i've given him too much credit his scheme is a/a/a/a/

"to be on your OWN/ a complete UNKNOWN/ like a rolling STONE"

just like Sting, another overrated musical Christ figure...

if you take any Emimen lyric you will find he uses tons of feminine rhyme, and well as internal rhyme, and his rhyme schemes are much more complex... this kind of poetry is the most difficult to do, and I believe these kind of poets are born, not made. Face it God TOUCHED him, and I'm glad he's using his talent to a good end now, that he cares enough to put himself in the skillet for the lives of his fans.



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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:59 AM
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175. Dylan's coat is in tatters. He thinks aloofness matters.
Dylan's pump lies broke cause his candle's in a shambles.
In times when the grime of wartime slimes lifetimes, the missing rhymes are crimes.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #149
253. If there's no room for both, this is a sorry effing world.
There are those who, like me, think Dylan is overrated.

That doesn't mean I begrudge you your admiration of him.
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:11 PM
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193. Man...that's awesome...
...it just rolls of the tongue when you read it. You don't even need the beat behind it.
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:38 PM
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8. Wow, that was really great! This makes me feel so good about
the next generation. I'm 43 and hate rap music, but I have a new found respect for these artists. That really was fantastic.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:39 PM
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9. Square Dance Lyrics
Edited on Mon Oct-25-04 10:42 PM by DireStrike
Some AB stuff in here too.



People!
Get ready!
It feels so good to be back!
Ladies and gentleman
Introducing the new me
Improved youth
No fool


Never been too type to bend or budge
The wrong button to push, no friend, no bush
I'm the centerpiece, you're a mortice, i'm a pitbull off his leash
All this peace-talkin cease
All these people i had to leave in limbo
I'm back now and i've come to release this info
I'll be brief and let me just keep shit simple
Cannabitch, don't want no beef with slim, NOO!
Not even on my radar
So won't you please jump off my dick, lay off and stay off
and follow me cos i put these crayons to chaos
from seance to seance.


So come on down
So get on down
Doh si doh now
Dont have a good plan
Dont be scerrrd (scared), cuz therrr (there) ain't nuttin' to werrr (worry) 'bout
Let your hair down
Square dance


Let your hair down to the track, yeh, keep goin back (BOO!)
The boogie-monster of rap, yeh, the man's back!
With a plan to ambush this bush administration
Moosh the senate's face in, push this generation
O' kids to stand and fight for the right to say somethin'
You might not like, this white hot light that im under
No wonder i look so sunburnt,
Oh no, i won't leave no stone unturned
Oh no, i won't leave one goin' nowhere
Doh-si-soh oh! yo! ho! hello there!
Oh yeh! don't think i won't go there
Go to beiruit and do a show there
Yeh you laugh til your motherfuckin' ass gets drafted
When you're in bed here thinkin' the draft cant happen
'Til you fuck around gettin anthrax napkin
Inside a package wrapped in sarandrap wrappin'
Open the plastic, and then you stand back gaspin'
Fuckin' assassins hijackin' anthrax crashin'
All this terror, america demands action
Next thing you know, you've got uncle sam's ass askin'
To join our army, or what you do for their navy
You just a baby gettin' recruited at 18
You're on a plane now eatin' that food and that baked beans
I'm 28, they gon take you 'fore they take me
Crazy insane or insane crazy?
When i say hussein, you say shady!
My views ain't changed to lean humane way for
Rain 2 days late, the date's today
Hey team!




Nothing moves me more than a groove that suits me
Nothing suits me more than a groove that boosts me
Nothing boosts me more or suites me beautifully
There's nothing you can do to me, stab me, shoot me
Psychotic hypnotic product I gotta take antibotic
Ain't nobody hotter and so on and yada yada
Gotta talk alot of hum-hei-la-da-da-der
Oochie walla-walla-mmm-de-da-da but you gotta gotta
Keep moving there's more music to make
Keep making new shit, produce hits to break
The monotony whats gotten into me?
Drugs, rock and hennesey, thug like I'm 'Pac on my enemies
On your knees, got you under siege
Somebody you would give a lung to be
Hungry like a fucking younger me
Fuck the fee, I can get you jumped for free
Yeah, buddy, laugh it's funny, I have the money
To have you killed by somebody who has nothing
I'm past bluffing, pass the KY
Lets get ready for some intense serious ass fucking




Dr Dre wants to square dance with me
Nasty nas wants to square dance with me
X to the Z wants to square dance with me
Busta Rhymes wants to square dance with me
Cannabitch won't square dance with me
Cannabitch won't square dance with me
Canibus dont want no parts o' me
Dirty Dozen wants to square dance with me
Yeeeeha!
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Mike L Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #9
217. I missed your post and posted it too.
I always liked that song. It came out in 2002. Em was ahead of his time. Did he do a video for Square Dance?

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cheshire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:39 PM
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10. I love that and i just started to get into rap during this election. Great
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:40 PM
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11. That great.
Can't wait to show this to my son.
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Lakerstan Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:45 PM
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12. Info: http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,15190,00.html
Edited on Mon Oct-25-04 10:55 PM by Lakerstan
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:47 PM
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13. BET would be another good place for it. Very powerful stuff!
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:50 PM
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15. Really, really powerful.....
Great video, catchy tune.

If I wasn't such a whitebread representative of the bourgeosie I would wear a black hoodie on November 2, too...


Come along, follow me as I lead through the darkness
As I provide just enough spark, that we need to proceed
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength,
Come with me, and I won't stear you wrong
Put your faith and your trust as I guide us through the fog
Till the light, at the end, of the tunnel, we gonna fight,
We gonna charge, we gonna stomp, we gonna march through the swamp
We gonna mosh through the marsh, take us right through the doors..come on.



To the people up top, on the side and the middle,
Come together, let's all bomb and swamp just a little
Just let it gradually build, from the front to the back
All you can see is a sea of people, some white and some black
Don't matter what color, all that matters is we gathered together
To celebrate for the same cause, no matter the weather
If it rains let it rain, yea the wetter the better
They ain't gonna stop us, they can't, we're stronger now more then ever,
They tell us no we say yea, they tell us stop we say go,
Rebel with a rebel yell, raise hell we gonna let em know
Stomp, push up, mush, fuck Bush, until they bring our troops home come on just . . .

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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:03 AM
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115. All the more reason you should wear one!
That's what he's saying, doesn't matter if you're white, black, rich, poor, whatever you are, go vote Bush out!
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #15
161. when I read stuff like this
I just know that somewhere Gwendolyn Brooks is smiling.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:51 PM
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16. Move over Bob Dylan. Hope this is widely seen!
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:58 PM
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17. All I can say is...this is real rap.
<eom>
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:58 PM
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18. I just fell in love with Eminem. I'm 43. Think he's too young for me?
Honestly, though, the piece made me cry. I take back (almost) every bad thing I ever said about him.

Thank you, Eminem.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:11 PM
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24. MTV News Story
Edited on Mon Oct-25-04 11:18 PM by Kimber Scott
Eminem's Video For Anti-Bush Song 'Mosh' Hits The Internet
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1493010/10252004/emine...

Michael Moore, the "Fahrenheit 9/11" filmmaker who tried his hand at directing music videos with Rage Against the Machine, would certainly approve of Eminem's new clip, "Mosh," which has just hit the Internet.

A scathing indictment of President Bush and the war in Iraq (see "Em Changes Targets From Jacko To Bush On New Track 'Mosh' "), the animated video begins with the jarring image of a commercial airliner flying over a school and then exploding offscreen. The point of view then zooms into the school, where Eminem is reading a children's book to a class in a scene reminiscent of the minutes following the 9-11 attacks, when Bush was at a Florida elementary school reading to second graders. Eminem is holding his book upside down.

From there, "Mosh" moves to Eminem's apartment, where the walls are covered with articles critical of the Bush administration and its policies. Filled with anger, he puts on gloves and dons a hooded jacket. Clips of Em rapping the track are then interspersed with scenes of domestic problems facing the country, such as racial profiling (an animated Lloyd Banks is harassed by police) and poverty (an inner-city family receives an eviction notice as their TV set shows Bush promising tax cuts for the wealthy).

more...

ON EDIT: There is a "Send us your comment" button at the end of the story. I wrote and asked them to play the video on TV.
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RunningFromCongress Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 10:59 PM
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19. That's a horrible song, but if thats what they like then
it should be played 24/7 on MTV....AWESOME message, great video, but I just couldn't get into the beat.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:08 PM
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22. I disagree.
From just a musical standpoint I think this might be his best work.
Great, powerful rhymes and an ominous, revolutionary beat throughout.

I'm not much of a fan of rap at all, but this song works for me.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:03 AM
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53. I concur!
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:43 AM
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63. Crazy Talk...

That's just crazy talk, man. :-)

Seriously, this style of music rarely speaks to me, even when I agree with the message.

But that song, that beat, that hook ... I honestly got chills, and I rarely get chills from songs nowadays. And this was before I really listened to the words.

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:19 AM
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100. I own a couple hundred CD's, and not one is Rap, BUT
That more than worked for me, way more. Not just the lyrics but of course them too. The mood is pervasive and driven with intensity. It is near if not totally perfect. It is incredibly moving, a great work of art, not just a great message, BUT IT IS A GREAT MESSAGE!
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #19
162. well, honey, you're not supposed to just dance to it
this ain't exactly American Bandstand
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realcountrymusic Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:00 PM
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20. Kick for kicking ass EMINEM RULEZ

holy shit

between this and http://www.takinmycountryback.com music has come out swinging this year

send it to everyone, please

RCM
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #20
79. I still like TAKIN' My Country Back
the best, though the Eminem song was good, and I will wear my ancient black hoodie (bought way back when they were called hooded sweatshirts) to the polls in solidarity.

Speaking of my favorite song, Howard Dean made Imus play it this morning. Imus, who was prepared to hate it (typically) had to ADMIT THAT IT WAS GOOD!
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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:05 PM
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21. OMFG! EMINEM JUST REACHED INTO MY HEART
And pulled out every feeling I have had for four years and stuck them straight on his awesome raging video.

FUCK BUSH! JOHN KERRY OR DIE!
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MattP Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #21
31. They better air this!!
That song just made my 60 year old mom cry. Does any one remember that Geraldo was bashing Eminum like a week ago saying he was just a racist and a punk for dissing MJ, I bet it was because of this video.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #21
254. A-MEN to that!
I liked "Eight Mile", too!
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:11 PM
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23. Let's put it like this
We need more artists like Eminem to send a statement to the young. It's your vote to lose and if you squander it, you will suffer along with your friends and parents if * is in for four more years.

The best revolution starts on Nov 2 by voting * back to Crawford
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Lakerstan Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:12 PM
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25. The revolution WILL be televised... n/t
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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:14 PM
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26. LOL Post the links in freaktown
If anyone still has a valid freerepublic account, why not post these links over there just to get a few laughs? LOL
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. And then put on the teflon chainmail shark suit
I think I can smell hair on fire from here...............
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #26
32. powerful & brilliant
play it LOUD!
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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. yup
and PLAY IT PROUD
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #26
163. I think this is gonna hurt
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 11:32 AM by jdjkkse
so many of his woman-hater contingent are freepers. he's gonna lose this element if he keeps this up.

just go to MTV.com and read the comments on the feedback page from his "fans" half are "you don't mess with George W." stuff, one from a fourteen year old, which puts me in mind that in 4 years, if his hero wins, he might get rewarded with a draft.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #163
197. I read that "don't mess with george w." shit and can't help but wonder
...does this kid have any idea of the bush* lies and distortions. does this kind have any idea just how much he and his generation have been sold into bondage? and finally, in these days of peak oil, global warming and wholesale species extinction, does he have any concept of how his "typical" american boy lifestyle is going to change? congrats, son, you're about to become corporate cannon fodder, and no, this is not a game.
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:17 PM
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27. I'm left in total AWE
Unbelievable. At 37 I'm way too old for that stuff but that was AWESOME! I am completely impressed.
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #27
34. Another Husker checking in
its not my kind of music but

DAMN THAT WAS FUCKIN AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anybody questioning the youth vote now is clueless!
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #34
44. Hey Duece! I passed out a ton of Kerry signs today in Kearney
And you WOULDN'T BELIEVE the enthusiasm I ran into. I think we're going to make a SURPRISING showing this time out. Wash a little of the red off this state. (not the Husker red of course) That would be heresy.
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:58 PM
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50. I hope so! n/t
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #34
51. Same feelings
from this old cheesehead...........
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #27
191. you know, I am 37, too, but I am not too old for this.
I recently started listening to hip hop on the grounds that it is the most popular music on the planet, and I wanted to know why. Once my ears got used to the new sounds, I understood. It is really compelling beats and rhymes and the stuff they rap about is all aspects of life. Most rock/pop seems really simplistic and boring in comparison, now.
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #191
206. So you want a cookie or something?
Here ya go. Have a stack. Yum. I don't eat cookies anymore either.


IMO most rock and pop is simplistic and boring, and so is most rap.

This piece, I find impressive. An exception to the rule.

Much more important than your opinion about popular music or mine, is the fact that this particular piece is moving, powerful and rendered by a WILDLY popular personality in the youth culture. It has ENORMOUS potential for stiring up passions and getting people to the polls who may not have made the effort it can take for someone with two jobs and no car or have other difficult circumstances in their life.
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ornotna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:19 PM
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28. That was incredible
Very moving.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:21 PM
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30. Eminem, you just made me a fan. We will donate to air this if need be.
Edited on Mon Oct-25-04 11:25 PM by mcg

At least I will. Let's get this on MVT and BET.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. Make sure to send your comment to MTV. Ask them to play it on the air.
The button is at the end of the article.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1493010/10252004/emine...
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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. DU TRL Vote for "MOSH "
http://www.mtv.com/onair/trl/vote /
1. Scroll Down to bottom
2. Click "Other"
3. Enter "Eminem" under Artist Name
4. Enter "Mosh" Under Video Title
5. Enter name, etc (email is optional).

DU
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:38 PM
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39. Done, with comments.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. Done.
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #36
48. Did it. Made myself younger though
hope they don't mind. :evilgrin:
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:03 AM
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55. LOL! I did the same thing! nt
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #48
123. Me too :-)
:hippie:
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #48
135. Me too! LOL
I really shouldn't have, but I said I was a lot younger than 31. :)

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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #36
134. Done
And your instructions have been sent to everyone in my address book.

:kick:
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Pluvious Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #36
230. It is now on the list - don't need to select Other
Play it loud !
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Nightwing Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #36
269. Done with comments also
I may be 50 but I have NEVER lost sight of the fact how powerful a medium music can be to reach multitudes in order to bring change to our great nation.

We're not so great as long as Bush :dunce: is President, but we can get there again!! Just look at it this way; SIX MORE DAYS TILL SUNRISE IN AMERICA!!!

KERRY/EDWARDS 2K4!!!
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:26 PM
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35. There's a web page about it at www.mtv.com!

Eminem's Video For Anti-Bush Song 'Mosh' Hits The Internet

<http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1493010/10252004/emine... >

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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:30 PM
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38. totally mind-blowing n/t
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rockydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:47 PM
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41. The GNN also did an animation video for 'White America' off of Em's last
album - that was another powerful song and video with political messages...

It was only shown at his concerts - it never made it on MTV.

I think this one might however. It's already getting lots of attention. Salon has an article about it now.
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #41
121. Is there a place to buy the video's of these?
I'd love to have this and White America in a High Quality Format.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:47 PM
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42. Okay
I'll admit it. I still think he's probably an obnoxious jerk, but my opinion of Eminem greatly improved with that.

THAT WAS FUCKING AWESOME. Oh God, I wanted to march after seeing that.

Rise up, rise up. Take this country BACK.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #42
65. Makes me want to get a hoodie ...

My daughter likes to wear black hoodies. I'm thinking about borrowing one.

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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #65
118. I have one....
And I will wear it next Tuesday!!
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #65
278. I ran out and bought one
My daughter was already wearing one and we walked around the mall with our hoods up. People were watching and wondering what was going on.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:48 PM
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43. Kick ass!
I don't normally like Eminem, but at least he's finally using his talent for something worthwhile.

The part where they march in and vote is just beautiful. What a great message.

"Look in his eyes
It's all lies
They've swiped the stars and stripes..."

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CityHall Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:53 PM
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46. Anyone have a working link?
The boss links won't start downloading for me, and the other one gives a 404.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 11:53 PM
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47. Thanks for posting the different formats.
I dislike Quicktime, but the other formats are good.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:01 AM
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52. Speechless.
This moved me to tears. It's brilliant.

"Let the President answer on high anarchy
Strap him with AK-47, let him go
Fight his own war, let him impress daddy that way
No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our soil
No more psychological warfare to trick us to think that we ain't loyal
If we don't serve our own country we're patronizing a hero
Look in his eyes, it's all lies, the stars and stripes
They've been swiped, washed out and wiped,
And Replaced with his own face,
mosh now or die
If I get sniped tonight you'll know why, because I told you to fight"
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:03 AM
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54. damn, I'm NOT an eminem fan, but that rocks....
excellent.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:07 AM
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56. thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou
i teared up watching that. wow, he hit the nail on the head so many times i felt like someone finally has our voice.
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:11 AM
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57. kick - awesome
...and i'm not even a rap fan --- but this is so incredibly awesome.

.. the beat is absolutely riveting (i'm sure it'll scare the RepSuburbonites)
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:23 AM
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58. I'm 58. I hate rap. But holy shit. It made me cry.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #58
68. I hear you ...

Rap, modern rap anyway, just irritates me most of the time.

But that ... that was real rap, the kind of down in dirt with the rest of us no-holds-barred truth that rap originally was.

And then there was the thumping bass, which I can appreciate. I'm so glad I invested in a set of good speakers. Not sure my upstairs neighbor is though. :-)



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marigold20 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:08 AM
Response to Reply #68
85. A friend's 20-something crowd said they aren't going to vote
despire his pleas that it's really important this time but that video could really get through to them. It was very well done.
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aeolian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:28 AM
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138. Try pumping it through an SVS cylinder subwoofer
Shakes the whole damn house.

Oops! Off topic, sorry. :)
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gardenia Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:21 PM
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236. I've never heard a rap song I liked..........but this got me too
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:24 AM
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59. Powerful. This has got to get a lot of attention and play. nt
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:29 AM
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60. It looks like they're going to play it on MTV!!!!!! Starting tomorrow!
http://www.gnn.tv/users/user.php?id=2

"If you found your way here, you pretty much know whats been in my head for the past 5 weeks. Ems lyrics, Dres beats and lots of amazing artists pixels. The delivery service will be here around 3am to pick up the color corrected tape that is going to MTV. Word is they will feature it on TRL tomorrow and start it in medium rotation. That is if they can clean a couple of the references in time for broadcast. Honestly, I thought MTV would take a few days to internally battle over whether or not they should play it or ban it. So, if it plays in its entirety tomorrow we will be pretty pleased around the bunker. And if it does get on, I have a feeling the kids are going to pump it up the TRL ladder. Gotta get back to proc amping this mofo to bring the blacks back out of the darkness. Damn wheres Marshall when we need him."
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rockydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:40 AM
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62. great
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:49 AM
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67. There were girls with Kerry signs outside TRL today.
I'm not sure where they came from. I yelled out that we're going to win and they cheered.
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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:48 AM
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66. As a 34 yr old female...I always hated Eminem with a passion.
I cannot believe that I am sitting here with tears in my eyes after watching that! I am almost at a lost for words.

That was perhaps the most powerful thing I've seen this election.

It was my rage that I saw on that video. Eminem captured my rage? I cannot believe I am saying that. Eminem and I have something in common, our rage.

I can't think of anything else to say right now, I am too stunned at my reaction to that video...
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rockydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:54 AM
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70. that's awesome
I've been a fan of Eminem for a long time - I always knew he was on the *right side* - so to speak.
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byronm Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:01 PM
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211. Just goes to show
that people can be completely different, and still an american.

Eminem shows kids how he grew up and made it just like he shows young adults how to stand up and make it.

Its spiced up and riddled and a little over the edge - but it proves his point and his talents :)

Music hasn't killed anyone
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:51 AM
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69. DAMN
Easily Em's best work.
Fantastic.
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rockydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:56 AM
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72. It's important to give credit to the animators of the video
They work through GNN...
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:00 AM
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272. They rock. Have you ever seen this one?
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:55 AM
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71. thanks very much for the links
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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:02 AM
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74. Fuggin' grrrreat! eoM!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:28 AM
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75. if only....
em would stay focused on this type of music. I could do without most of his other crap, yes, crap (only 1 man's opinion), however, this man gets my personal kudos for this unbelievable rap (that's right!, no "C" before the word rap in that sentence!). the group that made the video, very well done! I like this type of rap, hate the stupid bling bling type, which em doesn't do, he's typically making a mockery of gays, other musicians, women, himself, but finally, he has found a resolutely defining message.

God bless him!
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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:36 AM
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77. After November 2nd he won't have to stay focussed on this type of music nt
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:30 AM
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76. OMFG. All this time, I've been waiting for the protest music of today...
... and here it comes.

This is gonna be big.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:12 AM
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97. I just sent feedback to MTV, and since they ask your age (I'm 55)
This is what I wrote:

"Hey, I'm not exactly your Target Audiance, but I could be if I heard a lot more of what Eminem was putting out. Been with protest from Woody Guthrie through the Dead Kennedys, but no one in Hip Hop sealed the deal for me. That was my problem. Eminem just did. Bring him on."

I am stunned by how powerfull a piece of work this is. Truly inspired.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:35 AM
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267. cool, more Polident commercials on MTV
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:37 AM
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81. kick
:kick:
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:23 AM
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82. WOW
Fantatic video! MoveOn or any of our 507's should call Em up and ask him if they could edit it down down to a 30-sec "power" clip for a commercial. Of course with a link to where they can see the video for free and not to mention pump his sales volume.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:42 AM
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83. Eminem and the October Surprise
Who would believe that Eminem of all people could give us an October Surprise. :hug: to Eminem
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:09 AM
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86. Oh. my. god.
Eminem is PISSED.
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VLC98 Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:19 AM
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87. Why, oh why, didn't this come out sooner?
I am not a fan of rap but I just saw this for the first time and was blown away. However, is it not just a bit late to be energizing the youth, who are going to find out it's way too late to register? From what I've seen, as a resident alien, registering to vote in America is more difficult than it should be. It's almost as if they don't want people to vote.
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Hoosierdaddee Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:58 AM
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151. American's Right to Vote
First only white land owners were allowed to vote, then only white men, then Lincoln screwed everything up by freeing the slaves and then congress amended the constitution and gave Black Men the right to vote (though for over a century in "the south" this was as much whimsy as reality) and then as an afterthought they gave Native American men the right to vote. Then at the turn century women got uppity and after allot of noise congress finally acquiesced and amended the constitution giving women the right to vote. And then you got the whole "Jim Crow" and poll tax thing that kept allot of legal voters out of the process. And finally it was decided, though they now can't buy a beer or porn or gamble (in most states) that if 18 year-olds were old enough to be shipped off to asian jungles and die for a lie then they should have the right to vote.

It took almost 200 years for the world's greatest democracy to extend to all of its adult (?) citizenery the most fundemental right of a democracy, which is the ability to "elect" it's representatives in government.

Do you really find it so surprising that "It's almost as if they don't want people to vote".
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VLC98 Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:54 PM
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184. Are you being sarcastic about....
it being the world's greatest democracy then? Or do you mean greatest as in biggest? I thought that this "great democracy" would want a voter turnout that would impress the rest of the world. If Americans aren't seen to value democracy then how can the govt cite this democratization of the Middle East as such a wonderful thing?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:56 AM
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271. Young people often register, but seldom vote. This should help.
And every vote counts.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:38 AM
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89. Grrrrr . . . none of these links are working!!
On a T1 line - the first QT gives me a 404, the second one disconnects, I don't have Real Player and the wm "protocol isn't supported".

Anyone have a link that works?
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almostallhere Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:03 PM
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186. download real player - it's free
and it's well worth it
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:39 AM
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90. That is outstanding
It's may be the best political song of the last 10 years. Wow.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:55 AM
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91. That's amazing.
I'm stunned.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:57 AM
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92. BTW: Salon has an article up about this:
Eminem's anti-Bush anthem
Download "Mosh," the most powerful broadside against the administration since "Fahrenheit 9/11."

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Michelle Goldberg

Oct. 26, 2004 | With his history of homophobia and his long-running beef with MoveOn supporter Moby, Eminem is an even less likely lefty hero than Howard Stern. But the just-released video for his new anti-Bush song "Mosh," makes "Fahrenheit 9/11" look like a GOP campaign spot, and it will almost certainly reach an audience that wouldn't think of shelling out for a documentary.

More...

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/26/eminem/ind...


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Hex_0x Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:08 AM
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95. Wow
Great video.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:19 AM
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98. Wow! Very angry... very powerful
you can feel the rage. But, will the young kids that identify listen and act? I doubt it.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:19 AM
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99. dayuMM!!
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 08:56 AM by riverwalker
powerful! One of the best protest songs ever. My 'puter couldn't show the video, I just heard the audio and read the lyrics. Double Dayummm!
Get this on TV.

email addy
feedback@MTV.com
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:43 AM
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109. Web page on Eminem's Video at vh1.com
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:06 AM
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117. VH1 email
for feedback on "Mosh"

newsmaker@mtvi.com
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:21 AM
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101. did I just cry watching an eminem video? OMFG!!!!!!
I used to use his anti-gay lyrics in my classroom to talk about homophobia. I used to dispise the hell out of him.

Did he have a turn around? An awakening?
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:22 AM
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102. Thanks
I'm replying here so I can find it easily tonight when I get home from work.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:25 AM
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104. Wow -- Eminem brings the nation together.

God, I hate George Bush.
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Texas_Dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:38 AM
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105. This is amazing! I hope it gets air time everywhere!
and maybe motivates young people to vote.
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RodneyCK2 Donating Member (813 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:39 AM
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106. I will not dispute that this message by Eminem is powerful and I...
congratulate him for this piece.

However, lets not forget some of his previous homophobic rap lyrics. The preacher is a bigot, so before you go signing up for the choir, do some fact checking.

"Mmmm, the sounds of summer. Crickets. The ice cream man. Violent, homophobic rap lyrics.

On his latest release, "The Marshall Mathers LP," Eminem proudly raps: "I'll stab you in the head, whether you're a fag or les/ Or a homosex, a hermaph or a trans-a-ves/ Pants or dress/ Hate fags? The answer's yes."

Oh, the hatred."

More...
http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/db/articles.asp?ID=930
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:43 AM
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110. Sorry, but this works for me
Bush needs to be brought down if any of us is to have a chance at tomorrow.
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RodneyCK2 Donating Member (813 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:49 AM
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112. I agree and like I posted, I salute his work on this piece.
However, there are a great many posts on this thread hailing him as the hero. Before you make some one a hero, they need to be worthy on all accounts.

Being a bigot is not a hero-like quality in my book.
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slappypan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:45 AM
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147. did you see his movie "8 Mile"?
Not to excuse thoose lyrics, but I believe he tried to make amends in that movie. His character has a friendship with a gay man who works at a factory with him, and he sticks up for the gay character when he's taunted by a homophobic coworker.
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RodneyCK2 Donating Member (813 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:40 PM
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245. That movie was not written by Eminem, nor directed.
You also say, "...I believe he tried to make amends..." This says you are not certain.

In fact, his role was as an actor. An actor who played a character who befriended a gay person, fiction, a movie, no personal input beyond reciting learned scripts, nothing more.



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Soth Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:36 AM
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167. I don't think he actually hates gays.
Yes, he's definitely rapped some anti-gay, anti-women stuff, etc. but the more I see Eminem and listen to Eminem, the more I realize that's probably not what he thinks at all.

Don't forget him hugging Elton John at the Grammys (I think it was the Grammys) a few years back. When he raps certain things, he's usually expressing his anger o not being serious. He even has a lyric, something along the lines of "If you think I'm always being serious about the threats I make then I'm going to come to your house and kill you."

Personally, I like Eminem, and the more you learn about him, the less he seems like the image you might get from some of his lyrics.
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:32 PM
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203. Powerfully Commercial
My impression of the guy has been that he does whatever is expedient for a buck. If gay bashing, woman hating, violent lyrics will sell CDs that's what he'll do. This protest song, while helpful to the cause, is none the less more pandering, in my humble opinion. Also, do we need more violence in our discourse? Isn't this Bush's basic foreign policy problem of "Let's kill all those who disagree with us, or stand in the way of our Empire?"
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RodneyCK2 Donating Member (813 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:48 PM
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247. Like Slappypan above, you say...
"...the more I realize that's probably not what he thinks..." and "...the less he seems like the image you might get from some of his lyrics."

Both of these statements, along with Slappypan's above, contain words that convey your uncertainty, "probably", "might", "believe" etc. Uncertainty because we do not know. The only thing we do know for certain is that his own written lyrics contain bigoted remarks. Until I hear him denounce those words/lyrics or express an acceptance toward gay folk, his words, he remains a bigot.
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Soth Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 05:55 AM
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268. Yes, but my point was...
My point here was that his actions frequently counter his words. And while I agree that what he has said should not be forgotten or simply tossed aside, I still feel actions speak louder than words.
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Chiyo-chichi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:42 AM
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107. Gonna get me one of them black hooded sweatshirts
and march into my polling place.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:42 AM
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108. Definitely not an Eminem fan
but my respect for him just went up. :headbang:
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mdhunter Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:44 AM
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111. Not a huge eminem fan, but this worked for me. Animation was great! nt
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 08:45 AM by mdhunter
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requiem99 Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:57 AM
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113. I HATE rap, but good god that was a powerful video.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:01 AM
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114. Don't think this won't help with the African American vote...
Eminem is very popular in the black community.
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fleetus Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:04 AM
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116. Play it loud across campus on Nov. 2.
I really like the rallying tone of this song! I can just imagine this song thumping across college campuses on November 2. I remember having a very loud stereo in college... I'm sure they've only gotten louder.
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aeolian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:19 AM
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119. DAMN!
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 09:19 AM by aeolian
Awesome! "Let him impress daddy that way!" Leave it to Eminem to say it best.

Anyone know where I can download the video as an .asf, .wmv, or .mpg? I'd like to watch it a few times without having to stream it each time.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:25 AM
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120. Amazing
A high school drop out from Detroit has more brains than nearly half the country.
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DemWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:35 AM
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122. out-frikkin'-standing!
Goin' to get me the CD and a black hoodie...

This needs to played 24/7 until next Tuesday night...
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:40 AM
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124. Amazing.
The last part made me cry. I have been out on street corners begging people to pay attention, to please vote. For an artist of the stature of eminem to say it so eloquently, to so many people. Well I just lost it, I am so grateful
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shawmut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:41 AM
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125. it's great
not an Eminem fan, but hey, I'll take it!!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:41 AM
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126. bttt
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:30 PM
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181. Do you mean this?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:42 AM
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127. I knew I loved him for a reason
You know who this really makes me mad at? All those people who labeled him white trash when he first came out, and made me believe it. This man has a soul, and those are so rare in entertainment these days.
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Hoosierdaddee Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:44 AM
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128. da Black Hoodie Movement
Em' drops a bomb on the Bush bullshit and a movement is born.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:45 AM
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129. Kick Ass!!!
:kick:
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RDL Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:51 AM
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130. Rap
is crap. But this is great!
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:56 AM
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131. The intensity and rage is almost palpable...
I never paid much attention to Eminem, but this was just amazing. You can just feel the energy and rage boiling out of that tiny window on your computer screen.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:56 AM
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132. Amazing! It gave me chills.
A testament to the power of art.

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lamster2k Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:10 AM
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133. Superb
I just downloaded the video from Michael Moore's website, its fantastic. I have very mixed feelings about Eminem, yet this video and song is superb.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:33 AM
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141. It was so Powerfull it made me CRY!
Oh my GOD!
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:35 AM
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142. can't stop watching it
and every time, I see more. The message that VOTING is the ultimate act of rebellion, the most powerful form of revolution, will not be lost on the MTV generation. Anonymous black hoods (your VOTE), the people, the masses storming buildings and taking back the country.
Ominous, dark and URGENT. Brilliant.
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Czolgosz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:36 AM
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143. Unbelieveable! This needs 100% support!
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UTdem Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:37 AM
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144. Damn
Voted. Let's get this into rotation on MTV and call your local radio stations as well. They probably won't play it but if we can get them talking about it people will seek it out.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:07 PM
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213. According to this GNN link MTV WILL play it.
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slappypan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:41 AM
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145. incendiary!
If Bush sees that he will cower behind his couch for the next week! The song reminds me of the first time I heard "The Message" by Grandmaster Flash. So powerful.
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lonewolf0507 Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:43 AM
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146. Outstanding
Simply outstanding
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:55 AM
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150. I already voted absentee
but I'll be purchasing a black hoodie.

Amazing and moving video.

Julie
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:32 AM
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164. wow - another "Fight the Power"!
great video, too. That one will be a contender at the VMAs for sure. Voted for it as well.
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:43 AM
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171. I think I'm going into the booth this year in a black hooded sweat shirt
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:46 PM
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188. Me: Early Election Day morning.
Roly poly redhaired fortysomething small business owner, standing on the corner of the local interstate. Black hoodie. Kerry/Edwards sign.

Let's hope that the PTB do not ban the wearing of black hoodies in polling places.

Julie
thanks, Eminem, I wasn't sure what to wear on Election Day, now I know.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:06 AM
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153. Unbelievable.
I've never been a fan of Eminem, I admit that. BUT.. This video is amazing, it's powerful, and it should worry the shit out of Karl Rove. Will it get airplay on MTV? Has it already? Or are the corporate whores afraid? It's incredible. I'm glad Eminem has stepped up to the plate.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:06 AM
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154. Not a fan of RAP but this thing has a point and is reaching out to
those who listen to rap music.
Good video.
Hope MTV plays it a lot between now and Nov 2
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Craig Roberts Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:10 AM
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155. Come on people...
winning the votes of petulant 13-year-olds isn't going to do us much good. 13-year-olds can't vote. Get a grip, it's freakin' Eminem. The only way he could help us is by openly supporting Bush.

"Follow me/I will lead/you out of the darkness" in my faux gangsta black hood and my hands flyin' all over the place...Jesus, these hip-hop guys are such pathetic posers. The spiritual brothers of Rush Limbaugh every one of them, with their relentless, dorky self-promotion.

I'm confident we are going to win this without the help of those three or four voting-age citizens who will only vote if Eminem makes it look all cool and gangsty.
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slappypan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:19 AM
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156. yes, let's be polite liberal adults
Surely we will persuade the people with think-tank white papers and editorials in The Nation and The New York Review of Books rather than with art and popular music. It is much more important for middle-aged white people with graduate degrees to sit around agreeing with each other than to try to communicate with young people or the working poor or people who listen to hip-hop.
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Craig Roberts Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:26 PM
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200. Oh no, let's not be "polite liberal adults"
Anything but that.

I doubt the "working poor" or "people who listen to hip-hop" need political lessons from Eminem via rap videos. I'll bet they read newspapers and keep up with events more or less like everybody else. But go ahead and suggest I'm the elitist even though you are the one who thinks this silly, self-serving product of Eminem's marketing team is what will really influence the working poor and people who listen to hip-hop. Thank you, Eminem! You've taught the working poor to care about politics! You've led them out of the darkness and to the polls!

We don't need Eminem. There's no reason to be that desperate.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:22 AM
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157. you must be kidding
look at the reaction on this site, which (contrary to popular belief) is not populated by petulant 13 year olds.

Eminem is popular with many many people of voting age, and will be even more after this.
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Robbie67 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:42 AM
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170. I find that extremely negative
and somewhat offensive, and I'm an older white man who doesn't like rap that much
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:02 PM
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177. Uh...13 year olds??
The video is trying to get 18 and over adults to vote. If the video was for 13 year olds, I don't think Eminem would be making a video to get them to vote.

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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:17 PM
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195. You are wrong about that.
I am a 37 year old, stay at home, suburban mom. That song speaks for me.

All you can see is a sea of people, some white and some black
Don't matter what color, all that matters is we gathered together
To celebrate for the same cause, no matter the weather
If it rains let it rain, yea the wetter the better
They ain't gonna stop us, they can't, we're stronger now more then ever,
They tell us no we say yea, they tell us stop we say go,
Rebel with a rebel yell, raise hell we gonna let em know
Stomp, push up, mush, fuck Bush, until they bring our troops home come on just . . .

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Craig Roberts Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:39 PM
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207. So...you're saying you weren't going to vote
until you saw Eminem's video and he tapped into some latent reservior of adolescent rage and now you are motivated and you're going to put on your black sweatshirt and pull the hood over your head and go follow Eminem through the rain to the polling booth? Well, I guess that would make you one of the three or four people I said it might influence to vote. So I still think I'm right.

If you like Eminem and think it's cool he's spittin' shit at Bush fine, but I don't think this video matters, that's all I'm saying. It's just corporate exploitation of romanticized adolescent angst. It's silly, and pretending it's not just helps Eminem and the corporations he works for further expand their market share.
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Robbie67 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:11 PM
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216. Corporate exploitation?
The video itself was created and produced by Guerilla News Network...most likely because no corporation would sponsor the money for a video to this song. I'm surprised they allowed a song that is so anti-Bush to be published before the election.

This "corporate exploitation" idea is nonsense.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:25 PM
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219. No, what I am saying is that I think eminem speaks to a larger group
than just petulant 13 year olds on this one. He speaks to me with this song, and I am about as far from that demographic as you will get. But he is tapping into a rage that allot of people have right now, that our views are not being represented in politics or in the media. Same as when F9/11 came out and there was a huge stampede to the box office. And I believe that the video will motivate some of the 18-25 year old 'unlikely' voters out there, just like F9/11 did.

You know, it is easy to dis allot of these non-voters as stupid or whatever, but most of the time, no one has ever taken the time to explain to them why voting is important and how it relates to their lives. I have been standing on street corners trying to do just that. But this video explains it so much more eloquently than I ever could and eminem has a huge audience. This video does a very good job of connecting the dots on allot of issues in a way that will be understandable to young people.

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Craig Roberts Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:50 PM
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227. Why do I keep getting accused of elitism by people
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 04:50 PM by Craig Roberts
who then proceed to suggest certain voters need a rap video to explain the issues at stake?

I think the working poor understand very well what is at stake for them, and they understand the need to vote, and they don't need to follow some laughably self-proclaimed hero as he leads them "out of the darkness" and up to the polling booth. Like all his other songs and videos - and as you've just verified - this isn't about a real expression of working class sentiments, it's about exploiting working-class chic to manufacture an image that the unthinking can buy into.

It isn't the working poor who are unthinking, it is their "betters" who don't understand Eminem is nothing but insipid bourgeois-friendly posturing. He's just annoying and offensive, never truly dangerous. He's just another loser using the Madonna Business Model (TM) to make a quick buck.

Eminem is a misogynistic, homophobic, crass, violence-celebrating punk. Just because he made some silly video bashing Bush doesn't change the fact he's a pollutant.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:17 PM
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228. I didn't accuse you of elitism.
And I clearly stated that it was young people who would be motivated to vote. I don't know where you get 'working poor' from my post.

Obviously you don't like eminem, which is your right. But I think you are wrong about the influence something like a rap video can have.
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Grown2Hate Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:05 PM
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225. Good job COMPLETELY missing the point, AND misjudging his fans...
I'm 26, and office manager, and I LOVE Em's music. And most people I know that work in this office do as well (including the 33 year old "standard redneck", his words, who drives a pickup truck and has been pretty much apolitical, except for this year). So to hear whining about someone preaching to "petulant 13 year olds" pisses me off. And even if a solid chunk of his fans ARE that young... are they never going to turn 18? He SPEAKS to kids (and adults alike) that have NO ONE ELSE speaking to them, or caring. EVERY bit of help HELPS, and to hear otherwise gets under my skin.
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Craig Roberts Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:34 PM
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226. I've got nothing to say to a 26-year-old man who enjoys "Em"
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Pax Argent Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:43 PM
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229. 37 y/o here who liked some of Em's stuff prior to this
who was brought to tears this morning watching this. College educated white professional who's had more than enough of Bush and his Bullshit.

Can you believe that folks used to make the same arguments about the protest music of the 60's and 70's? I suppose that was just Madonna model marketing then, too.

Also, regarding:
"I've got nothing to say to a 26-year-old man who enjoys "Em""

Nothing elitist about that. Nope, not a thing.

Take care.
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Grown2Hate Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:57 PM
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248. Apparently you do, as it warranted a reply. :)
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:23 AM
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264. dupe
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 12:24 AM by NightOwwl
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:59 PM
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284. Wow. Snotty much, Craig?
I've been sniffing you out for a while now, by the way. Something stinks.

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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:24 AM
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158. Great video wish it had come out a month or
so ago to maybe spur some more registration but this will at least be a motivator for some to get out and vote.
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Homerr Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:26 AM
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160. Out standing! Get out the vote Gen-Y!
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:34 AM
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165. A father who has grown up with a fatherless past
From the lyrics it would appear that he's referring to himself, but at that moment, the video is focusing on a picture of W with Poppy Bush. That combined with the later lyrics suggesting that Junior could go fight in the desert himself in order to impress daddy...

It seems to me that Eminem has offered his own impression of Bush's motivations. After watching the recent Frontline special, it seems as plausible as any other analysis I've heard.

And I've got to say it shows a level of subtlety I didn't expect from Mr. Mathers. Shows what I know.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:35 AM
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166. Unbelievable! The Revolultion really has begun...
I've wondered for years when are people going to get it? This next generation gets it.

sinclair won't televise the Revolultion. Thank Gawd and Al Gore for the Internet.
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:38 AM
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168. Excellent. I was hoping that we'd get more of this type of thing
in popular music over the past four years. A couple of bands have stepped forward, but it's been few and far between for protest music. But what the hell, every little bit helps.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:46 AM
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172. wow nicely done I'm in tears
It never gets any easier when there is no public trial for the killers and no closure, does it.

I'm not sure if MTV will be interested in my input since I don't have cable but if you folks think it is worthwhile I'll be happy to give 'em a nudge.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:48 AM
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173. Holy Shit!
I hate rap, despise Eminem, but man, this thing just grabbed me and hooked me in.

Wow...

RL
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:56 AM
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174. I think it goes a long way towards showing
that all musical forms are valid. There's a lot of crap being made in the rap genre, but that goes the same for just about any genre of music. People are making good music. Sometimes you have to dig for it, but it's there.
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ohtransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:00 PM
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176. INTENSE !!!
I'm with the majority here. I'm 45 yr old white guy with kids in their 20s. I've never been a fan of wrap (sic) much less eminem. Offensive is the word I'd use to describe most of it but I sent these links to my kids.

That being said, I had chills watching this video. This is powerful stuff and needs to be seen by young people especially.

Let's not forget, this election will be all about turnout!!! This video speaks to key demographics - young people, minorities, and mothers (women) who need to turn out big for Kerry. I say play it early and often.

This is something we had "back in the day" as the kids say. It's an anthem!!!

I believe the jury is still out on whether eminem will mature into the kind of cultural icon Dylan was. He's not there yet but this is a good step in that direction - especially the ending that suggests voting to make a difference. He could still drop the ball in the long run.

Kerry-on our wayward sons.



:kick: :bounce:
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Dastard Stepchild Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:06 PM
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179. WOAH! Do I have to like Eminem now?
I mean really... I am tempted to take back some of the things I have said. That was some amazing stuff. I've passed on the links to friends. Never thought I'd say that about an Eminem video.
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:12 PM
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180. Surprised me, too.
I didn't think he had it in him, especially after some of the trash he's made in the past. Eminem has always had talent, he's just been wasting on stupid lyrics most of the time. Hopefully this will signal the resurrection of the rap protest song.
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:34 PM
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182. i fuckin love it...
I like eminem anyway..he is truthful in some of his music...i am 30 years old..I have two kids..and I love him..that is an amazing song and he is 100% correct..is MTV gonna play this?
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:43 PM
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183. For the most part, I can't stand Eminem
And I'm not crazy about most rap out there.

But "Mosh" is the most powerful statement I've seen or heard in a long time. THIS is true rock-n-roll, and it can stand up there with Lennon's best protest songs. Very, very good.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:55 PM
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185. Thank You Eminem!!
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PleadTheFirst Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:36 PM
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187. Anyone know if there in an MP3 download of the song available anywhere?
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 01:38 PM by LoganPV
I just went to buy it on iTunes, but it wasn't there.

"Mosh" absolutely blew me away.

Damn - I didn't know Slim had it in him. Brilliant work.

EDIT: a legal/authorized download, please. I want to support artists, not steal from them. :)
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:56 PM
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190. my god----that video made me cry
:-(
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:32 PM
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204. Me too, Slink. The second time I watched it. Eyes got wet,
I dunno, maybe at my now relatively advancing age I felt proud to see the torch seized by another generation. Maybe the message of unity, and the sense of empowerment. I still remember Power to the People, and never stopped believing.
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:08 PM
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192. Man....I'm Pumped NOW!!!
I wasn't going to vote until tomorrow....but I'm skipping work and I'm gonna go right fucking now!


And I'm stopping at academy sports to buy a hooded sweatshirt on the way...



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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:12 PM
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194. Freepers starting to panic over Mosh
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:27 PM
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201. LOL...
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 02:27 PM by slutticus
To: accipter

FYI....DUers on the way to troll...linked to this thread.
I guess they need something to take their mind off the fact that their candidate is a loser.

9 posted on 10/26/2004 12:13:10 PM PDT by mabelkitty (W is the Peoples' President ; Kerry is the Elite Establishment's President)
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truthbetold Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:07 PM
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214. Another one...
To: mabelkitty
Dear lurking DU'ers: It's obvious from the Eminem video and from your overjoyed reaction to it, along with the countless DU hate threads about the coming election, that you plan or hope to physically clash with us evil Republicans and FReepers in the near future, possibly even in an attempt to overthrow the government by coup.
While I would strongly discourage any thoughts of anarchy or treason after George W Bush wins convincingly, again, I look forward eagerly to a personal confrontation with each and every one of you at the earliest possible opportunity. It would be my pleasure, and I'm sure I speak for many others, to communicate in a simple and intimate manner my feelings for you and for your way of thinking. My pleasure.

/pleasant visual image


Yeah, okay, in the words of your Dear Leader: Bring it on.
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:49 PM
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221. ROTF! " after George W Bush wins convincingly, again,"
* won Convincingly?!?!?!?! Damn Freeper...pass that shit...I wanna smoke some!
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:18 PM
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196. i posted the same thing last night here
and it sank like a rock
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:25 PM
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199. Get it on TRL
Get this video onto MTV's Total Request Live by following these directions.

Click on the link below, then once you are at the page scroll to the bottom enter ARTIST: Eminem, SONG: Mosh. Do not try to find Eminem in the list of songs, he has another single out right now, and it's not the one you want to vote for.

TRL Voting Page CLICK HERE
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byronm Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:09 PM
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215. Do this!!
Great way to nominate a song for TRL - input the artist and song title in the "other" box :)
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ciaobox Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:28 PM
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202. TRL Airs at 5PM, all timezones
If you have time, tune it. They may show it.
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bigfishsmallpond Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:36 PM
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205. makes me want to go buy a black hooded sweatshirt
booyah
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Mike L Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:54 PM
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208. Why didn't Eminem release this video earlier? I remember he had a song on
a CD a couple of years ago (Eminem Show?) that Bashed Bush good. I can't remember the song, but it had maching guns and part of the lyrics went, "The next thing you know your ass gets drafted......"

The guy hates Bush (good on ya!).
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Mike L Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:01 PM
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210. Here's the lyrics:
yah you laugh till your muthafuckin' ass gets drafted, while you're at band camp thinkin' the crap can't happen
till you fuck around, get an anthrax napkin, inside a package wrapped in saran wrap wrapping/open the plastic and then you stand back gasping, fuckin' assassins hijackin' Amtracks crashin'
all this terror America demands action, next thing you know you've got Uncle Sam's ass askin'
to join the army or what you'll do for their Navy. You just a baby, gettin' recruited at eighteen
You're on a plane now, eatin' their food and their baked beans. I'm twenty-eight, they're gonna take you 'fore they take me
Crazy insane or insane crazy? When I say Hussein, you say Shady
My views ain't changed, still inhumane, wait, arraigned two days late, the date's today, hang me!

http://www.loglar.com/song.php?id=10621
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Mike L Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:06 PM
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212. Here's another one from 2002. Looks like he's a Deaniac.
Verse 4

So to the parents of America
I am the derringer aimed at little Erica, to attack her character
The ringleader of this circus of worthless pawns
Sent to lead the march right up to the steps of Congress
And piss on the lawns of the White House and replace it with a Parental Advisory sticker
To spit liquor in the faces of in this democracy of hypocrisy
Fuck you Ms. Cheney! Fuck you Tipper Gore! Fuck you with the freest of speech this divided states of embarassment will allow me to have, Fuck you! I'm just kiddin' America, you know I love you...

http://www.loglar.com/song.php?id=10618
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:01 PM
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209. "Let him impress his daddy that way..." Awsome.
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tiredofthisstuff Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:19 PM
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218. Sparking thoughts of revolution
I love this video!! I feel somewhat relieved to know that there are people in the media that feel as strongly about Bush as I do. I only hope that the registered youth of America get a chance to see it.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:33 PM
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220. Hi tired.
Who wrote your comment "The mind is its own place, and in itself

Can make a heavn of hell, a hell of heavn.

What matter"? I like it very much.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:51 PM
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222. This link works
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:53 PM
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240. not for me--just sits there saying "Ready" (nt)
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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:01 PM
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223. I am stunned.
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 04:02 PM by umtalal
tears in my eyes. chocking in my throat. that bush wasted ourlives away.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 04:04 PM
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224. Very cool!
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:37 PM
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231. Wow! I hate Rap, but I LOVE LOVE this!
lyrics are available here:
http://www.hugelyrics.com/lyrics/134866/Eminem/Mosh


Below, I would spell 'carry'......Kerry!
(snip)
Carry on, give me hope, give me strength,
(snip)_
Someone's trying to tell us something, maybe this is God just saying
we're responsible for this monster, this coward, that we have empowered
This is Bin Laden, look at his head nodding,
How could we allow something like this, Without pumping our fist
Now this is our, final hour
Let me be the voice, and your strength, and your choice
Let me simplify the rhyme, just to amplify the noise
Try to amplify the times it, and multiply it by six
Teen million people are equal of this high pitch
Maybe we can reach Al Quaida through my speech
Let the President answer on high anarchy
Strap him with AK-47, let him go
Fight his own war, let him impress daddy that way
No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our soil
No more psychological warfare to trick us to think that we ain't loyal
If we don't serve our own country we're patronizing a hero
Look in his eyes, it's all lies, the stars and stripes
They've been swiped, washed out and wiped,
And Replaced with his own face, mosh now or die
If I get sniped tonight you'll know why, because I told you to fight
(snip)

And as we proceed, to mosh through this desert storm, in these closing statements, if they should argue, let us beg to differ, as we set aside our differences, and assemble our own army, to disarm this weapon of mass destruction that we call our president, for the present, and mosh for the future of our next generation, to speak and be heard, Mr. President, Mr. Senator
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:10 PM
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232. WOW!!!
I watched the video over the internet a few minutes and I thought it was a great song and a great video. I was more impressed by the words of the song than the video for the song. I am so happy that he encouraged people to go out to vote and stay at the polls no matter what happens even if it rains. I am happy that he decided to take a leadership role in this election, telling people to follow him. It was a great song and a great video. Eminem did a great job.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:17 PM
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233. Excellent!
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Amich Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:08 PM
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234. thanks for posting this.
wow is all i can say.
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gardenia Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:35 PM
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237. Don't Wait for MTV...let's spread this all over
different sites...........email to everyone you know........I'm too old to know where to do that.....let's get this thing spread around.........news shows.........etc.......we've got to get to the 18-29 year old set
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:36 PM
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238. OMG.
this is the anthem, people.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:46 PM
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239. those quicktime links don't work
--one says File Not Found, the other is stuck on the opening scene and has no sound
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theangrydem Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:55 PM
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241. An amazing work of art
This is absolutely BRILLIANT, but it has come out too late.
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vision Donating Member (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:56 PM
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242. Fantastic!
I am not a big fan of rap in particualar but this was a powerful presentation. Even my mother, who is 55, was impressed when I showed it to her. Too bad it came out too late to influence people to register but it should encourge people to vote.
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The_Nick Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:05 PM
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243. Eminem
Hi!

I've come here a lot over the past few months, but have never
had the urge to post as I do today.

First I have to say, that song/video is goddam amazing. I
don't cry. I don't cry when people I know die, I don't cry
when I get hurt, either physically or emotionally. To this
day, the only two things I could say ever caused me to produce
tears are Catcher in the Rye, and this video.

Also, I'd like to point out to those who've posted about
regarding Eminem as a woman/gay basher, this video should show
you you've had him pegged wrong. I'm 22 and have been
listening to Eminem since his first album. Right from the
beginning I knew that Eminem was far more intelligent than
anyone would ever give him credit for. As far as I can recall,
EVERY Eminem song is laced with critque of the American
suburban culture. When he sometimes seems to depricate women
obviously, if you apply the context of that song you will
often learn he is not disapproving of women, but instead
pointing out that the "Cancoon party all night, be a
whore, and meet a rich guy" mentality that stations like
MTV promote, are not advisable if you wish to be a happy
woman.

For a great example of Eminem's own feelings on how his words
are misconstrued, please google the lyrics for or listen his
song "Stan".

And now I'll never be back, cause I hate having to enable
cookies!
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LocalGuy Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:24 PM
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244. Very Powerful song
It moved this middle aged white guy.


I think the anger we're all feeling just got it's voice.
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Citizen Carl Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:42 PM
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246. This is it.
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 09:43 PM by Citizen Carl
I'll admit that I don't have much rap amongst a music collection ranging from Andre Segovia to Bob Dylan to 80s hardcore and now to Bright Eyes and Death Cab for Cutie but I think Eminem just did "it." It summed up the past 4 years entirely in a musical perspective without having to try to play the "we're just trying to get out the vote" card with Vote For Change (amazing bands as well). Eminem himself has to hardcore promote this as his October Surprise and stand in front of the White House, fist up in the air.

For the older posters, I wouldn't necessarily trash hip-hop so much. Tom Waits recently had his son, Casey, do turntables and percussion on his latest album Real Gone.
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KTM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:34 PM
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249. Wow
:kick:
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LimpingLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:38 PM
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250. I refuse to listen to bigots..sorry.
There has to be SOME standards in where we get our information.
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Kerry in 04 Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:20 PM
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257. We aren't getting our info from him. We are just glad.....
that he is not afraid to stand up to these nazi bastards!!!!!!!!
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:55 PM
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251. Whew....
I have to say, as a gay man who has resented him in the past...I found a new respect for him in 8 mile...but now....wow...I'm speechless...I have shivers and goosebumps. We needed this. Wow. Wow.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 10:56 PM
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252. I've never liked rap, BUT, that is a powerful experience. eom
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:13 PM
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255. has the video been removed ??
i tried to access the Windows Media and Quicktime versions... no go ...

the following message was displayed: Sorry, the file you have requested could not be found or has been intentionally disabled by the content owner.

fwiw, i don't have the Real Player installed ...
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:15 PM
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256. it was working about an hour ago, but it is down for me now, eom
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juslikagrzly Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:26 PM
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258. All links now down
What the fuck is going on?????
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:18 AM
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261. Go to gnn.tv for active quicktime link (from the producers)
Edited on Wed Oct-27-04 12:19 AM by The Sushi Bandit
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:05 AM
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259. kick this
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TheKingfish Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:13 AM
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260. You can still see it here
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:20 AM
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262. This video will be banned if Shrub wins
it's just a little too powerful. Dangerous. Truthful.
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TheKingfish Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:21 AM
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263. on mtv now n/t
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 12:24 AM
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265. "Bush Knew"
F*ckn awesome
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Nightwing Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 06:01 AM
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270. Kudo's to Eminem!!
Damn, havent been touched like this from any song since the anti war movement of the '60's. Aboslutely a must play constantly from now through election day!!

WE ARE TAKING OUR NATION BACK AND NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP US!!

Rock on Eminem and thanks for your powerful message! :toast:

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:18 AM
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273. My favorite anti-Bush rap MP3.
http://www.guerrillafunk.com/audio/paris/Sonic_Jihad/Wh...

What Would You Do?

I see a message from the government, like every day
I watch it, and listen, and call em all suckas
They warnin me about Osama or whatever
Picture me buyin this scam -- I said never

You in tune to a Hard Truth Soldier spittin
I stay committed gives a fuck to die or lose commission
Its all a part of fightin devil state mind control
And all about the battle for your body, mind and soul

And now Im hopin you dont close ya mind - so they shape ya
Dont forget they made us slaves, gave us AIDS and raped us
Another Bush season mean another war for profit
All in secret so the public never think to stop it
The illuminati -- triple 6 -- all connected
Stolen votes they control the race and take elections
Its the Skull and Bones Freemason Kill Committee
See the Dragon gettin shittier in every city

What would you do if you
knew all of the things we know?
Would you stand up for truth
Or would you turn away too?

And then what if you saw
All of the things thats wrong?
Would you stand tall and strong?
Or would you turn and walk away ...

Now ask yourself whos the one with the most to gain (Bush)
Fore 911 motherfuckas couldnt stand his name (Bush)
Now even niggas wavin flags like they lost they mind
Everybody got opinions but dont even know the time

Cause Americas been took - its plain to see
The oldest trick in the book is MAKE an enemy
Of phony evil so the government can do its dirt
And take away ya freedom lock and load, beat and search

Aint nothin changed but more colored people locked in prison
These pigs still beat us but it seem we forgettin
But I remember fore Septmember how these devils do it
Fuck Guliani, ask Diallo how he doin

We in the streets holla jail to the thief
Fuck wavin flags -- bring these dragons to they knees
Oil blood money make these killers ride cold
Suspicious suicides people dyin never told

Its all a part of playin God so ya think we need em
While Bin Ashcroft take away ya rights to freedom
Bear witness to the sickness of these dictators
Hope you understand this time brother cause its major

What would you do if you
knew all of the things we know?
Would you stand up for truth
Or would you turn away too?

And then what if you saw
All of the things thats wrong?
Would you stand tall and strong?
Or would you turn and walk away ...

So now you askin why my records always come the same
Keep it real, aint no fillers, motherfuck a blingin
Mine eyes seen the gory of the coming of the beast
So every story every word Im sayin Fuck Peace

See you could witness the illuminati bodycount
Dont be surprised these is devils that Im talkin bout
You think a couple thousand lives mean shit to killers?
Nigga I swear to God we the ones - aint no villains

Or any other word they think to demonize a country
Aint no terror threat unless approval ratings slumpin
So Ima sayn it for the record -- we the ones that planned it
Aint no other country took a part or had they hand in

Just a way to keep ya scared so you think you need em
Praisin Bush while that killer take away ya freedom
How many of us got discovered but ignore the symptoms?
Niggas talkin loud but aint nobody sayin shit

And with the 4th Amendment gone eyes are on the 1st
Thats why Im spittin cyanide each and every verse
I see the Carlyle group and Harris Bank Accounts
I see em plead the 5th each and every session now

And while Reichstag burns, see the public buy it
I see the profilin -- see the medias compliance
War is good for business, see the vicious make a savior
Hope you understand the time brother cause its major

What would you do if you
knew all of the things we know?
Would you stand up for truth
Or would you turn away too?

And then what if you saw
All of the things thats wrong?
Would you stand tall and strong?
Or would you turn and walk away...
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Clintmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 07:28 AM
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274. Wow!
I don't like rap music, but that is great! I have a whole new respect for Eminem!
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Anaxamander Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:05 AM
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275. The punk is a wigger
so say the racist idiot freepers:

To: No Surrender No Retreat

Right On, Brother. The punk is a wigger. Nothing more, nothing less. If you don't like the term wigger, deal with it. It is totally descriptive of this piece of sh|t.

<...>

20 posted on 10/24/2004 11:04:09 AM PDT by RIghtWingAvenger
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies | Report Abuse >

To: 6SJ7

Eminem, is the one confused, he thinks he is black. I guess his momma never told him of his persuasion. <...>

12 posted on 10/24/2004 10:47:12 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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What a lovely group of people they have over there. :|
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 08:38 AM
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276. if the freepers hate it, it *must* be righteous
--so play that baby, play it, play it, and watch their boneheads explode :evilgrin:
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 09:22 AM
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277. excellent!
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:05 PM
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279. Wow! This Mommy of 2 thanks you Eminem!
Who would ever think this Mommy would ever be pumping her fists in the air with Eminem?

"Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows."
William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616), "The Tempest", Act 2 scene 2

I think DKNY makes a cute black hoodie that I'll wear with my "VOTE" and "Kerry" Bling-Bling bracelets from theMMOB....
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:35 PM
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280. All-in-one Eminem Mosh Video page here
I have put all the possibly useful things on one page on my web site.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:40 PM
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281. I don't like eminem, but
Considering the response this vid has generated I'd say the timing is great for the teens that are allowed to see it (my daughter will have to watch it at a friends since he's not allowed here...no exceptions)

I know a lot of people who are tired of the elections, but this sounds like it will reinspire those who are getting bogged down with all the politic talk. It'll remind them of what's at stake.

P.S. Don't tell me I should see it. I have no tolerance for the guy and I'll take everyone's word for how powerful of a video it is.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:44 PM
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282. BET Article
http://www.bet.com/Music/Eminems+Mosh+Video+Disses+Pres...

Posted October 25, 2004-- A video for Eminem's "Mosh" has begun a rapid circulation in the internet and, as expected, the video is a pointed, visual criticism of president George W. Bush and the present administration.

"Mosh" was directed by Ian Inaba of the Guerrilla News Network and created with a staff of illustrators, animators and special effects artists. Inaba explained how the video came to be.

"The goal was to make a video that inspired young people to vote because they too often disregard it as a powerless exercise," he said of "Mosh." To show them that political decisions do impact their daily lives and that voting is the most powerful act we all have to voice our opinion and effect change. And to educate and reiterate the point that whether or not people want to accept it, there are forces in play that attempt to suppress the youth and minority vote."

In the five-minute video, Eminem and the GNN push the creative license to the fullest. Planes fly over schools and explode in the background, meanwhile Eminem, dressed as President Bush, is reading an upside down elementary school book. But, as the story progresses, it depicts Em inside an apartment with walls of newspaper clippings disapproving of the current administration. However, the critique doesn't end with the president. In "Mosh" a cartoon Lloyd Banks is a victim of profiling, other families fall prey to poverty, and other domestic issues are addressed. In the end, hordes of youth march towards the White House with Eminem leading the fray.

(more)
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 01:46 PM
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283. Please see this thread
one station in the Dallas Ft. Worth market is playing it as of today. They plan on playing it repeatedly.

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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-27-04 05:11 PM
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285. Nominate it for MTV's hip-hop request show here.
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