OMG - CNN just tipped their hand re: Election Theft 04

[Atman]

Remember the supposed disbanding of Voter News Service after their supposed miserable failure in predicting the last election? I read here on DU just last week that the polling services have stepped in this year to form a replacement for VNS and re-institute EXIT POLLING!

Am I correct on this? EXIT POLLING BY THE PEOPLE NOW TELLING US BUSH GOT AN EIGHT-POINT BUMP OUT OF BEING AN EVEN LARGER BLITHERING IDIOT THAN USUAL!

This is it, DUers...the fix is in, the media is bought. We MUST make voter turn-out too massive to ignore, too frighteningly huge and determined for them to even THINK they can get away with carrying the Bush family's bloody water again!

[Jack_Dawson]

1. Exit Polling Always Happens, Right?

I don't get it.

[Atman]

5. No, exit polling DOESN'T always happen

It stopped after VNS claimed their "system" broke down, and the group of media whores who did the polling disbanded. They stopped reporting results, suspiciously, IMHO, during the 2002 election thefts when they could not back up the inexlicable wins of the likes of Saxby Chambliss, etc, with exit polling data. Rather than explain what happened, they just disbanded and said "sorry."

Now Gallup and Newsweek, et al, are stepping in it would appear.

[On the Road]

2. No, No -- This is Good News

There's a new consortium this year to replace VNS. Like the old ones, it is funded by many news organizations. Don't know that nationwide exit polling has been done any other way.

Exit polling is crucial when there is a danger of election theft. It's the next best thing to a paper trail.

[Warren DeMontague]

4. Yeah, we want Exit Polling Back.

I mean, if nothing else, it forces the people trying to rig the game to have to work that much harder.

[DebJ]

3. Howard Dean for head of FCC

[bloom]

6. It was the exit polls that called Florida for Gore

that Jennings (and all) are STILL saying were wrong when they were right is predicting the true outcome.



Of course... if you had unrelible exit polling - it would be meaningless - or worse.

[democraticinsurgent]

7. i am working for the exit pollsters

someone posted a link to their site awhile back and i signed up. nothing better to do on election day.

i haven't received my info yet but will keep everyone posted on the organization and how things go. i believe it's a co-venture of two reputable research firms, Mitofsky and Edison.

[screembloodymurder]

8. My thought exactly.

The fix is in. Why should we expect a fair election after 2000. They're setting up the numbers to make the case that this was a fair election. An eight point bump from what? It's an obvious attempt to poll-justify crooked results.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

11. Stay home then and cry in your Wheaties.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. What the heck are you yammering about?? Got a link?

[budkin]

10. Exit polls are based on real votes though..

There is theoretically no margin of error to deal with. IMO these will prove that something is up in our favor if the Rethugs try and steal the election.

[geniph]

13. People lie, though

Not everyone is going to tell the truth in an exit poll, so the data's meaningless.

[11cents]

12. VNS was a consortium of polling orgs; this is a reconstituted consortium

This is good news: there will be exit polls.

[Atman]

14. You don't seem to know what VNS actually was

VNS was not a consortium of pollsters...it WAS the networks. The networks could not even report their own polling data, for some reason. AGAIN...the reason is, it was not possibe to make their "exit polls" jibe with the rigged elections of Saxby, et al. So instead of trying any further, they simply said "oops, sorry" and went home. VNS, again, was NOT pollsters, it was the networks themselves.

And NOW, with the networks out of picture, basically the same group of idiots is doing it AGAIN...under the guise of "a consortium of pollsters" that some seem to think existed before. I agree that exit polling is theoretically a good thing. But look at the "average" of the five polls out today, that CNN at least has been pushing all day...I believe THIS GROUP is the new "polling consortium." We're being conditioned for them. So, if they're priming us now with the fake poll numbers, then back it up with fake "exit polls" to support fake BBV results in key precincts, then I'd argue that this kind of exit polling is far worse than having none at all.

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January 13, 2003

Voter News Service: What Went Wrong?


By  Larry Barrett

In November 2000, a "perfect storm" of vote-counting miscues and polling problems led the major TV networks repeatedly to change their minds as to whether Al Gore or George Bush was the next president. In November 2002, a second storm whipped through the networks' election broadcasts.

Unfinished and mismanaged efforts to update the computer systems used by Voter News Service forced executives at the consortium's owners—ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, NBC and the Associated Press—to abandon the use of exit polling data before it even got all collected. Indeed, by mid-January the failures led to the disbanding of VNS itself. On Jan. 13, the six organizations said only that they were "collectively reviewing a number of strong options'' to avoid another fiasco in the future.

Back up to Election Day, Nov. 5. The balance of power in Congress was up for grabs. Yet by 10 a.m., the TV networks confirmed what they had feared for months: They couldn't derive any meaningful exit-polling data from a system they had just spent between $10 million and $15 million to overhaul.

Disasters were almost comical. Many of the more than 30,000 temporary workers collecting exit-poll information were disconnected from VNS' new voice-recognition system before they could finish inputting data over the phone. Some poll workers were unable to access the system at all. Live operators weren't always a help, as the phone system periodically crashed under the crush of callers dialing in.

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Complete text of "The Perfect Storm" article