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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:04 AM
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Will the tape Sy Hersh has alluded to be leaked before the election?
I hope to god it never happened.

But, if it happened, I hope it sees the light of day before November 2nd. The people deserve to know the depths of this administration's cruelty.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:06 AM
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1. Which tape is this?
?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:07 AM
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2. Yes. What tape?
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:08 AM
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4. Of sexual abuse of children at Abu Ghraib
I believe. What came out last sping was just the tip of the iceberg.

Some of this has been discussed in the non-US press.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:13 AM
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5. Sorry, I thought it was common knowledge.
Edited on Mon Oct-18-04 12:15 AM by girl gone mad
I'll have to warn you, the descriptions are graphic.

http://archive.salon.com/politics/war_room/2004/07/15/hersh/


Hersh: Children sodomized at Abu Ghraib, on tape

After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May, there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon's custody more horrific than anything made public so far. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld said. Since then, the Washington Post has disclosed some new details and images of abuse at the prison. But if Seymour Hersh is right, it all gets much worse.

Hersh gave a speech last week to the ACLU making the charge that children were sodomized in front of women in the prison, and the Pentagon has tape of it. The speech was first reported in a New York Sun story last week, which was in turn posted on Jim Romenesko's media blog, and now EdCone.com and other blogs are linking to the video. We transcribed the critical section here (it starts at about 1:31:00 into the ACLU video.) At the start of the transcript here, you can see how Hersh was struggling over what he should say:

"Debating about it, ummm ... Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

"It's impossible to say to yourself how did we get there? Who are we? Who are these people that sent us there? When I did My Lai I was very troubled like anybody in his right mind would be about what happened. I ended up in something I wrote saying in the end I said that the people who did the killing were as much victims as the people they killed because of the scars they had, I can tell you some of the personal stories by some of the people who were in these units witnessed this. I can also tell you written complaints were made to the highest officers and so we're dealing with a enormous massive amount of criminal wrongdoing that was covered up at the highest command out there and higher, and we have to get to it and we will. We will. You know there's enough out there, they can't (Applause). .... So it's going to be an interesting election year."
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:08 AM
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3. Would any corporate network host it?
If not it will go to we conspiriwhackos on the net. Too bad we are the ones with the truth they will show 20 years from now.

W/Kerry admin - 5 or so years.
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naufragus Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:24 AM
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6. there are these things called the internets
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:55 AM
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8. You Can Find Out if Stuff On the Internets is True at Factcheck.com
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 02:03 AM
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12. al-jazeera would host it
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evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 02:09 AM
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14. smokinggun might host it... hehehe n/t
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:30 AM
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7. That will make us more of a target--TERRA TERRA TERRA
If that video airs, we get a HIGH ALERT, and Bush starts telling us how everyone is going to kill us again. He'll say he had nothing to do with it, the media will agree, and so it will go.
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Barney Rocks Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:59 AM
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9. It would be the
October Surprise to end all October Surprises!!!
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evilqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:10 AM
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10. What is needed, really, is not more photos/tapes...
What is needed is documentation showing that members of this administration knew what was going on and still did nothing to stop it. Papers with Sanchez's signature, or Rumsfeld's, or even Cheney's...

What is needed is something they cannot possibly spin or separate themselves from. I keep hoping Karpinski has something on them, but at this point, I'm losing hope in her producing anything of substance.
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secular_warrior Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:19 AM
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11. That is beyond disturbing
So much real blood and real horror for nothing other than money, yet the people go on believing the lie.

The fascists, the American people, the media and the opposition party will all have to be held accountable one day for all of this.
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 02:04 AM
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13. agreed
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