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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 01:31 PM
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bush stumps for KERRY
BUSH: I would. Thank you.

I want to remind people listening tonight that a plan is not a litany of complaints, and a He just said he wants everybody to be able to buy in to the same plan that senators and congressmen get. That costs the government $7,700 per family. If every family in America signed up, like the senator suggested, if would cost us $5 trillion over 10 years."


According to the CBO, health care expenditures in 2002 were equal to $5,450 per capita. So, assuming Bush's numbers are correct (and who am I to question him?), bring it on baby! $7,700 per family is a hell of a lot less than $5,450 per person. The health care revolution is here! Bush is its fearless leader!

http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=4989&sequence=0

from Atrios
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 01:35 PM
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1. The weed that would be king has no idea what he was
talking about, he just repeated lines he (A) memorized; or, (B) were being fed to him!

Rove/Hughes* lie and don't care!
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 01:35 PM
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2. what dumbya was getting at -- the old saw:
(say this in your whiniest voice)

It's too exp-hensive!

Really. Clean air, preservation of the environment and rare species, responsible drilling for oil, and the health of our nation is TOO EXPENSIVE!

So we shouldn't do anything at all. That's not leadership. That's puerile stupidity. What a dumbass that dumbya is.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:17 PM
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7. Right too expensive..........Halliburton may not get their cut
I mean come on...How can we leave out Halliburton?
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 01:36 PM
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3. Wanna buy some health care? (n/t)
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Marxdem Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 01:43 PM
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4. I really didnt like Kerrys answer last night
It possible that I may be missing the bigger picture. His answer seemed to be more or less that we would have a choice. I don't think offering a choice of $5000+ a year for health insurance is really going to get many more people insured. I spend $100 a month for health insurance and I have a $1000 major medical deductable and $10 office co-pay. I just don't see Kerrys plan as any better then what we have now.


In regards to Bushs plan....well he really doesnt have one to address.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 01:43 PM
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5. Another Bush argument that helps Kerry
The question to Senator Kerry was about the discrepancy between the cost of his proposal for health care reform and what Bush said it would cost. Senator Kerry started out saying that two leading national news networks disagreed with Bush's assesment of Kerry's plan.

After stumbling around saying that the networks were not credible to quote, Bush said we should look to the Lewin Report for the facts.

Ok, let's do that.

Bush claims the Lewin Report says the Kerry plan will cost $1.2 trillion.

Sort of.

Bush also claimed the Lewin Report showed the Kerry plan would add over 20 million people to government controlled health care.

Ummm, not exactly.

Here is what the report actually says:

<snip>

The Lewin Group analysis centered on two key questions: 1) How many people who currently lack health insurance would become covered under each candidate's program? * As a baseline, The Lewin Group projects that 49.5 million Americans will lack health insurance coverage by 2006, absent intervention of some kind (2006 was used as the benchmark for when the proposed reforms of each candidate would be implemented). * According to The Lewin Group analysis, the Bush plan would cover 8.2 million new people. The Bush plan would reduce the number of uninsured to 41.3 million people, a reduction of 17%. * The Kerry plan would cover 25.2 million new people. The Kerry plan would reduce the number of uninsured to 24.3 million people, a reduction of 51%. 2) How much money would each program cost the federal and state governments, consumers and other financial contributors over the 10-year span following implementation in 2006? The analysis demonstrates that: * Federal net expenditures would increase by $227.5 billion under the Bush plan and by $1,249.0 billion under the Kerry plan. * State net expenditures would decrease by $19.9 billion under the Bush plan and by $343.5 billion under the Kerry plan. * Employer health spending under each plan would decrease -- a drop of $4.7 billion dollars under the Bush plan and $52.1 billion under the Kerry plan.

Link: http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/prnewswire/20040921/2...

So yes, the Kerry plan would cost the federal government $1.249 trillion ($1,249 billion). But it will also save each state an average of $342.5 billion. With 50 states that comes to $1.715 trillion in savings total, which means an actual savings of almost $500 billion as a nation.

As far as Bush's claim that the Kerry plan would add over 20 million people to government controlled health care, the Lewin report does show that the Kerry plan will result in 25.2 million new people getting health insurance (as opposed to 8.2 million by Bush). Is Bush saying that's a bad thing? He tries to make it sound that way by saying it is "government controlled" health care (booga booga), but Senator Kerry has made it clear that his plan does not call for a government run program, as does the Lewin report.

I posted this last night and someone challenged whether the report meant the net state savings was for all 50 states together or an average for each of the 50 states. I called the Lewin Group this morning and the woman I spoke with said she would get me an answer.

If not, my point still stands. The findings of the report still show that Senator Kerry's plan covers more new people, leaves fewer people without health insurance and does more to reduce the burden on states and employers than the Bush plan. And Bush's plan of expanding private sector insurance through tax cuts just gives us more of the same with no incentive for private insurance to improve. In fact, it is a boone to private insurance companies.

And, unlike those not-credible network reports (even Bush knows the "news" we are given is BS), the findings of this report have the Presidential seal of approval.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:14 PM
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6. I think you're reading the State NET savings wrong, that's not
343.5 billion PER State, that's the NET savings from all 50 States.

The net affect is that although this site says Kerry's plan costs 1,249 Billion, less 344 billion savings for States and less 52 billion for Employers the NET is $853 billion and it moves 3 times as many under coverage over the same time.
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 07:25 PM
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8. You may be right
I should know tomorrow. I didn't hear back today. The woman I spoke with said I could call back tomorrow for an answer if the report's author didn't get back to me today.

But the greater point is that Bush wants us to use THIS report, which shows how much more effective Senator Kerry's plan is, as an authoritative source to compare their health care plans.

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