The "Was Bush Wired" debate IS RELEVANT

[PretzelWarrior]

think about it: if we can somehow gain verifiable proof of it...the message it sends to some of those voters is damning.

and....even if it doesn't prove out--it is a perfect opening to "how credible and trustworthy is this guy"?

would he and his debate team stoop to setting all kinds of rules and regulations about the debates and then ignore the spirit and the letter of debate rules?

then the follow on question...maybe Bush HAS been purposefully deceiving us on all those other issues Kerry's talked about.

Don't let DEBATE-GATE die down just yet.

[jean]

1. I think it has legs - did you see this in an earlier thread? ->

http://news.google.com/news?q=Bush+wired&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr

[KharmaTrain]

2. But Who Does It Affect At This Point?

Andy Rooney hit the nail on the head tonight when he said those who are undecided probably aren't telling or are just plain stupid.

I think it wasn't what was or wasn't in his ear Friday night that we need to stay focused on here, but what came out of his piehole. To me his inability to answer that last question...and how he blamed others rather than assume and accept responsibility was damning.

If there's any value in playing with this puppy, it's to keep the Freepers busy. Kinda like take them into a circular room and telling them there's a naked picture of Ann Coultergiest in the corner.

[PretzelWarrior]

So you're saying we can't connect with left jab and right?

to say we should abandon the actual issues of the debate in favor of a good old fashioned political dirty tricks scandal would be the height of lunacy. I agree. But what I envision here is a wall of sound coming from the left piling on each and every issue that comes out.

Are you saying the same public that manages to stay abreat of Kobe, Laci AND Martha can't also stay abreast of Iraq quagmire, Valerie Plame Gate, no WMDs, Cheating during debate and still losing, etc, etc?

I think we should hit all of our neighbors up on both the substance of the debate (or lack therof in Georgie's case) and on this issue of honesty and trustworthiness. Hey, supposedly Gore was a big fucking liar for remembering incorrectly which natural disaster he was at with the head of FEMA. so this is in play.

[KharmaTrain]

5. We've Got Too Many Arrows In The Quiver

Cranking up a scandal that could really do any damage at this late date is a pipe dream...especially with a media that is as much against us as the Bushbots.

If this had been several months ago, I'd be yelling loudly with you, but now too many minds are set and getting involved in any mudfight now get you dirty in the eyes of those in the middle.

Your point is not lost, however, as we need to investigate all the excesses of this regime and direct the immediate frustration of their antics to winning the election and then exposing all the sorid details of what's occured over the past 4 years and longer that led us to where we are now.

Steady as she goes...the finish line is close and the prize is in sight.

Cheers!

[kokomo]

6. Media ignored Bush cheating on National Guard contract.

Cheated his way through school, with girl friends, in business. Yet Bush gets a pass from his "bought and trained" media whores.

[KharmaTrain]

7. Youthful Indiscretion Innouculation

It worked for Henry Hyde, Gnewt Gingrich (several times), Bob Livingston and Swaggart and so on. Seems like the lives of Democrats can be openly scrutinized and history manipulated, but whatever a Repugnican did prior to 1980 or so is irrelevent.

I've always suspected the media is very intimidated by the BFEE. They saw what happened to J. Hatfield and several others who got too close to burning the Bushes and they like to fly in small planes. Others just are too wrapped up in their egos and access and put that ahead of journalistic ethics and even the national good.

[On the Road]

13. A Pipe Dream?

Don't forget the drunk driving story just before the last election. If that hadn't surfaced, Bush might have had a clean win.

[GreenPoet64]

3. It keeps the first debate and Bush's horrible performance alive. . .

It raises the question "What was going on in the first debate that caused Bush to appear to talk to himself?" Undecideds were taken back by his performance that night. Now they have to reconcile his mumbling and bumbling and rambling and incoherent speach with the second debate where he at least spoke in complete sentences. Why? is the question that lingers. Was it his health? Is he crazy? Was he on drugs or experiencing withdrawal? Was he wired?

The reason this story is getting so much attention is that no one in the Bush camp has successfully answered the "Why."

I think this is an important question that still needs to be addressed. Could influence undecideds in my opinion.

:toast:

[PretzelWarrior]

4. no, the reason he did better in second was John Ashcroft

anointed him with Chevron Oil (was gonna be cooking oil but Condi wouldn't have it any other way)....and Bush was re-born again. or born again again. or something. he is pure as the driven snow. expect him to be speaking in tongues by the third debate. SHIBERISH CAMOUL FLUSHOOTHY BIMBOZLEBED.

[Quixote1818]

8. I agree this story is starting to take off big time all over the world!

If it were true which I doubt but you never know it would most certainly cost Bush the election. It would turn into a real scandal and people would question Bush's competence and if he really is in charge. It would end Bush!

[PretzelWarrior]

9. we at DU can help. Just like with Sinclair Broadcasting thing

just like Black Box Voting. We are getting things on the public record that people asked questions and demanded answers. If the public officials and the media themselves don't do their job...not much we can do. But we can at least make sure in light of history they look bad for not doing so because we will have said, "We're on to you."

[autorank]

10. "Let me finish!"

* better hope the story is about an earpiece. If it isn't the guy is hearing voices, a much bigger story. Why isn't his random "Let me finish" statement put out there for examination. I was going to say, why doesn't someone ask him what he meant...but we all know nobody gets to ask the little princess anything.

[seabeyond]

11. i told the three kids in car, that is cheating

you arent allowed to cheat, surely our president should be held to at least what we expect of our children

[PretzelWarrior]

15. exactly. what kind of example for the children?

I'd rather have a guy who sometimes reconsiders and takes a different view than the past once he's gained more knowledge/experience than a guy who cheats to win at all costs.

[On the Road]

12. The Earpiece Makes Him Look Like a Phony

at the very least, a cheater or a puppet at the worst. As long as there's a reasonable chance of it's being substantiated, it's absolutely worth pursuing. Put them on the defensive and create a character issue.

[hippiegranny]

14. the Milli Vanilli pResident - pass it on

that's what I call him now. Has a nice ring to it.