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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 07:42 AM
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ONLY watch C-Span for Debate tonight
Do not give the other shrills the chance to spin the story.
If a mojority of the viewers only watch C-Span it would be a good message to send.
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RoyalWickedness Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 07:43 AM
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1. Never watch anything else
C-SPAN is the ONLY way to go! Pass it on...
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 08:32 AM
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3. agreed.
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Sven77 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 08:31 AM
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2. watch the split screens
watch the split screens, i would have missed dubya scowling without it. http://www.c-span.org/ has the online video for 60 days.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 08:33 AM
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4. EXCELLENT advice...
...it's all I've watched the convention and debates on. DO NOT watch them anywhere else (unless you LIKE wretching every time a RNC pundit opens its mouth...)

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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 08:35 AM
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5. Agreed.
I'm still not sure how they deduce who's watching what in this era of cable tv.
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 08:39 AM
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6. Thanks for the good advice
I was about to start my own thread to ask for opinions. I was thinking MSNBC but don't think I could bear listening to Tweety and Greenspan's wife yammer on like Beavis and Butthead, and I was leaning toward CBS. I'd actually forgotten all about C-Span, so thank you.
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 08:39 AM
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7. agreed
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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 08:48 AM
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8. Since their spin won't influence me, I see no problem watching them
Particularly since our failure to watch them won't mean they won't spin and influence many other people. I prefer to know what they're saying so I'm not operating blind and can address it.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:01 PM
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9. .
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:16 PM
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10. I'll watch C-SPAN for the debate .
Like I said on the "Poll question: Post-Debate Spin: Which channel(s) will you watch?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1006461

I'll watch C-SPAN for the debate . Right after the debate I always flip to the main channels ABC, CBS, NBC and PBS. I will surf them to get the main stream take.
Then I'll switch to MSNBC if the good Tweedy shows up . If the bad Tweedy is apparent I'll watch C-SPAN or CBS.
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RUDUing2 Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:19 PM
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11. but check out faux after words to see how they are spinning it (M
in order to prepare yourself for refuting their spin.
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:23 PM
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12. I have no cable
I live in a concrete box; I can pick up NBC, PBS and FOX, that's it. What would you recommend?
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:31 PM
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17. No CBS? If not PBS.
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:33 PM
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18. CBS is just a blur of static, I'm afraid
But PBS works fine, thanks.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:24 PM
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13. I'm watching CBS
SOMEONE has to hear what they say! It certainly isn't going to effect me.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:28 PM
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14. We understand that, but its hard to get the message to the
mass that can't think for themselves.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:28 PM
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15. I only always do
I watch C-SPAN, then come online to start voting in polls and writing letters.

No TV in the office, so I can't watch and work at the same time.

No need to watch the spin, because there will be ten threads started here for every remark the spinners make. ;)
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:30 PM
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16. Listerning to Air America is another good option if without TV. nt
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dbrown Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:38 PM
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19. Bush's mystery bulge
See the URL for the photo from CSPAN...

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/08/bulge/print.html



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Bush's mystery bulge
The rumor is flying around the globe. Was the president wired during the first debate?

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By Dave Lindorff



Oct. 8, 2004 | Was President Bush literally channeling Karl Rove in his first debate with John Kerry? That's the latest rumor flooding the Internet, unleashed last week in the wake of an image caught by a television camera during the Miami debate. The image shows a large solid object between Bush's shoulder blades as he leans over the lectern and faces moderator Jim Lehrer.

The president is not known to wear a back brace, and it's safe to say he wasn't packing. So was the bulge under his well-tailored jacket a hidden receiver, picking up transmissions from someone offstage feeding the president answers through a hidden earpiece? Did the device explain why the normally ramrod-straight president seemed hunched over during much of the debate?

Bloggers are burning up their keyboards with speculation. Check out the president's peculiar behavior during the debate, they say. On several occasions, the president simply stopped speaking for an uncomfortably long time and stared ahead with an odd expression on his face. Was he listening to someone helping him with his response to a question? Even weirder was the president's strange outburst. In a peeved rejoinder to Kerry, he said, "As the politics change, his positions change. And that's not how a commander in chief acts. I, I, uh -- Let me finish -- The intelligence I looked at was the same intelligence my opponent looked at." It must be said that Bush pointed toward Lehrer as he declared "Let me finish." The green warning light was lit, signaling he had 30 seconds to, well, finish.

Hot on the conspiracy trail, I tried to track down the source of the photo. None of the Bush-is-wired bloggers, however, seemed to know where the photo came from. Was it possible the bulge had been Photoshopped onto Bush's back by a lone conspiracy buff? It turns out that all of the video of the debate was recorded and sent out by Fox News, the pool broadcaster for the event. Fox sent feeds from multiple cameras to the other networks, which did their own on-air presentations and editing.

To watch the debate again, I ventured to the Web site of the most sober network I could think of: C-SPAN. And sure enough, at minute 23 on the video of the debate, you can clearly see the bulge between the president's shoulder blades.

Bloggers stoke the conspiracy with the claim that the Bush administration insisted on a condition that no cameras be placed behind the candidates. An official for the Commission on Presidential Debates, which set up the lecterns and microphones on the Miami stage, said the condition was indeed real, the result of negotiations by both campaigns. Yet that didn't stop Fox from setting up cameras behind Bush and Kerry. The official said that "microphones were mounted on lecterns, and the commission put no electronic devices on the president or Senator Kerry." When asked about the bulge on Bush's back, the official said, "I don't know what that was."

So what was it? Jacob McKenna, a spyware expert and the owner of the Spy Store, a high-tech surveillance shop in Spokane, Wash., looked at the Bush image on his computer monitor. "There's certainly something on his back, and it appears to be electronic," he said. McKenna said that, given its shape, the bulge could be the inductor portion of a two-way push-to-talk system. McKenna noted that such a system makes use of a tiny microchip-based earplug radio that is pushed way down into the ear canal, where it is virtually invisible. He also said a weak signal could be scrambled and be undetected by another broadcaster.

Mystery-bulge bloggers argue that the president may have begun using such technology earlier in his term. Because Bush is famously prone to malapropisms and reportedly dyslexic, which could make successful use of a teleprompter problematic, they say the president and his handlers may have turned to a technique often used by television reporters on remote stand-ups. A reporter tapes a story and, while on camera, plays it back into an earpiece, repeating lines just after hearing them, managing to sound spontaneous and error free.

Suggestions that Bush may have using this technique stem from a D-day event in France, when a CNN broadcast appeared to pick up -- and broadcast to surprised viewers -- the sound of another voice seemingly reading Bush his lines, after which Bush repeated them. Danny Schechter, who operates the news site MediaChannel.org, and who has been doing some investigating into the wired-Bush rumors himself, said the Bush campaign has been worried of late about others picking up their radio frequencies -- notably during the Republican Convention on the day of Bush's appearance. "They had a frequency specialist stop me and ask about the frequency of my camera," Schechter said. "The Democrats weren't doing that at their convention."

Repeated calls to the White House and the Bush national campaign office over a period of three days, inquiring about what the president may have been wearing on his back during the debate, and whether he had used an audio device at other events, went unreturned. So far the Kerry campaign is staying clear of this story. When called for a comment, a press officer at the Democratic National Committee claimed on Tuesday that it was "the first time" they'd ever heard of the issue. A spokeswoman at the press office of Kerry headquarters refused to permit me to talk with anyone in the campaign's research office. Several other requests for comment to the Kerry campaign's press office went unanswered.

As for whether we really do have a Milli Vanilli president, the answer at this point has to be, God only knows.

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About the writer
Dave Lindorff is the author of the new book "This Can't Be Happening! Resisting the Disintegration of American Democracy." Reach him at [email protected].









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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:40 PM
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20. i have to hear what the assholes are saying. I will channel surf
don't wanna bury my head in the sand . I need to hear what the SPIN is.
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Kathleen04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 04:42 PM
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21. Last 2 debates
I watched only C-Span and then came here on DU to hear what the talking heads were saying. Good way to go, I get a feeling for how the media felt about the debate without actually having to suffer through their drivel. :)
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 05:26 PM
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22. Kick
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irancontra Donating Member (689 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 05:37 PM
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23. always do anyway... screw the ABC networks
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 07:24 PM
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24. Kick
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 07:54 PM
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25. Kick
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