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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 07:22 PM
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What happened to Dow Jones & Company on 9/11?


I'm looking for any information about Dow Jones & Company. They had two floor on WTC2 and were reasonably high up, however there is no information whatsoever about how many people worked there and whether they all survived.

Dow Jones has published several stories about 9/11, however I can't find any about their own employee or a success story who they all survived thanks to good training etc.
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 09:49 PM
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1. I believe that they were located on 57 and 58 of WTC2.
Edited on Thu Jun-29-06 09:50 PM by Jazz2006
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 11:04 PM
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2. They all survived

http://www.infoworld.com/infoworld/articles/hn/xml/01/09/14/010914hndowjones.html
"Miraculously, the 900 Dow Jones staffers who worked in the downtown office, including Godfrey's team, are all apparently accounted for. And without missing a beat, the newspaper published on Wednesday, with complete eyewitness accounts -- many from staffers themselves -- of the horrors they witnessed as they escaped. The paper reached 85 percent to 95 percent of its circulation of 1.8 million on Wednesday. The papers that weren't delivered were held up primarily because of bridge closings in the city related to the disaster, and not because of production problems."

Any reason you are interested? Because they sure sounded "prepared".
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:15 AM
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3. They were high up in the building
And they do not seem to be paying that much attention to it. It is part of the press and they had been running stories about 9/11 and they had two floors full of people who were there. So I'll put at the "survivors." Didn't meet a beat, eh?
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:40 AM
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4. They were at least 20 stories below impact..... and almost everyone below
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 03:44 AM by Jazz2006
impact survived.

Is there something unusual, in your view, about people on 57-58 surviving?

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 04:01 AM
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6. If there is very little information about what happened and ...
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 04:03 AM by DrDebug
there didn't seem to be any problems operating then it is a bit weird. There were plenty of companies lower down on WTC1 who did have a high casualty count. It's not a red flag like insider trading, but it is a strange.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 03:53 AM
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5. Didn't miss a beat
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 03:56 AM by mirandapriestly
business as usual, all in a day's work, etc...heh heh
another one - "didn't bat an eye" from the article!
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 01:47 AM
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7. Media they own
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/dowjones.asp
They own
The Wall Street Journal
Barron's
Far Eastern Economic Review
SmartMoney (with Hearst)
Vedomosti
Dow Jones Newswires
Ottaway Newspapers Inc.


Plus a community newspaper subsidairy division, a few fake local papers in about 10 states.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 02:10 AM
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8. What's weird is wall street shut down for a week
but D.J. and other co's were able to resume that same day. I wanted to post this before I forgot.
Sorry it's wikipedia, but I think it's probably accurate. Why did Wall Street shut down for a week?
I don't know if Dow Jones & Co is affiliated in some way with the Dow Jones Industrial average or if that is just the name of the average prices of stocks. Biggest drop in history? Qui bono? Just people who did put options, I guess, but I never heard of people doing that unless it was specific to the ailines, this is all stocks. What does this mean?
September 11, 2001 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The attacks had significant economic repercussions for the United States and world markets. The New York Stock Exchange, the American Stock Exchange and NASDAQ did not open on September 11 and remained closed until September 17. New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) facilities and remote data processing sites were not damaged by the attack, but member firms, customers and markets were unable to communicate due to major damage to the telephone exchange facility near the World Trade Center. When the stock markets reopened on September 17, 2001, after the longest closure since the Great Depression in 1933, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) stock market index fell 684 points, or 7.1%, to 8920, its biggest-ever one-day point decline. By the end of the week, the DJIA had fallen 1369.7 points (14.3%), its largest one-week point drop in history. U.S. stocks lost $1.2 trillion in value for the week. As of 2005 the streets surrounding the Stock Exchange on Wall Street are still barricaded to prevent a physical attack upon the building.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 03:03 AM
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9. Good find n/t
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 09:59 AM
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10. Dow Jones is a media company ...
that publishes the Wall Street Journal. Since is unlikely that they actually printed the paper in the WTC, it is safe to assume that they had other offices where they could work from.

I think you are making too much of this - all large companies have continuity of business plans in case of emergencies or natural disasters. One would think that a company that publishes a daily newspaper would be particularly prepared.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:49 AM
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16. Duh, I know that. It's in my post.nt
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:32 PM
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23. So what CT d'jour does your OP relate to?
What's your point?
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #23
31. we're looking at the different co's that were in the wtc in 911
and discussing them.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 10:01 AM
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11. It says right in your post why it closed down ...
Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 10:02 AM by hack89
New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) facilities and remote data processing sites were not damaged by the attack, but member firms, customers and markets were unable to communicate due to major damage to the telephone exchange facility near the World Trade Center.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. Brings to mind that Confirmation Bias post a while back (n/t)
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:45 AM
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14. Quit talking to yourself.nt
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #11
17. Yeah, I believe that without question
:eyes:
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. So instead of questions and conspiracies ..
why don't you actually prove that something else happened?
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. As soon as you prove
the official theory is true, then I'm sure you can have the leverage to tell people how they can and can not post.
But there is no proof and you're not the moderator so I'm not going to do what you say.
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #8
13. D&J has bureaus around the world.
Did not print any papers in the WTC, and has tens of thousands of employees.

So why would the loss of one office cause them to miss any daily production?

Why is this odd?
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:47 AM
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15. The point is
they were able to set up so fast. It doesn't matter if they have other "bureaus",what are you talking about?
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:01 PM
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18. Set up what so fast?
You think that if one office or bureau is wiped out they will stop operations?

Terrible disaster planning if this would have happened.

ALL corporations have disaster plans, and most likely recently updated for Y2K.

So again, what would have to be set up so fast to run the organization?

By the way, they survived, they simply could have gone to another office to continue work if their role was so critical to the DTD ops of a major media outlet.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. This is what I'm talking about
Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 12:07 PM by mirandapriestly
this is what I'm talking about
As some 100 members of his 800-person IT staff started their escape, along with reporters and editors, Godfrey, located at a South Brunswick, N.J., office that houses most of the company's IT staff, instantly took on the mission of setting up an alternate system so the newspaper and various other Dow Jones services could continue publishing.
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:11 PM
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20. How is that hard to believe?
A major media outlet is bound to have redundant sytems. Additionally, they went to the offices where the people responsible for running those systems were.

So how is this hard to believe.

By the way, can you point me to the link where you got that "quote."

Thanks.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 02:04 PM
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30. It's in post 2!
Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 02:07 PM by mirandapriestly
are you inferring I made it up?
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 03:29 PM
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32. Not implying anything
I just wanted to see the source so I could talk to it.

By the way, from that same link:
"Reporters were in a variety of locations, and many who couldn't make it to the South Brunswick facility were told to file from home using home computers and cell phones.

Dow Jones has an emergency plan, but Godfrey said people provided the crucial element that made all the difference."
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #32
40. You change my words
and claim that I am saying things that I'm not so you can "debunk" it. you all do that.
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #40
44. What words did I change?
You questioned how they could be up and running so quickly. I used a point from your link that explained just that.

What words of yours did I change? Say what you mean plainly and simply and there is no way I can change them or be accused of such.

Spell out exactly what you are saying if you would please.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. The mission of setting up an alternative system
was most likely done years before 9/11. Nearly all large companies that depend on a sound IT system to function have very detailed disaster recovery plans. Most are designed to have stuff up and running in hours if needed.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. So then are you saying
that the physical location of the wall street companies that shut down for a week was the only thing impacted by 9/11? That, it WAS business as usual for these companies?

I ask because I am seeing stories of laptops being stolen and personal info being compromised (do a search here on DU...lots of stories), and, as an IT person working for a large corporation, I know that our data is kept on servers that require usernames and passwords to access. In addition, in order to log into our system remotely, we need a security dongal. I have been around for quite a while, and, I can honestly say that I have never worked for a company that did not store it's data on servers. I have not, therefore, believed all this "stolen identity" propaganda.

The same would be true, I am sure, for those Wall Street companies...nobody keeps data on laptops or in offices anymore. Unless the servers that contained the data were located in the WTC, then, it should have business as usual for all companies compromised by 9/11.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:48 PM
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25. Wayne Madsen made a whole investigation about the stolen data
At the big companies it's almost always physical theft. And it contains companies like Visa which are very secure and normally people can't get in those offices and surely not in their vaults.

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/Datathefts.php
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:57 PM
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26. I appreciate your response
But, you are not answering my question.

My question was not about security. It was simply about where these companies stored their data. And, like I said, unless there were servers in the WTC buildings that contained THE company data of these companies, then, these same companies could have continued to operate (and, eventually, I think they did).

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 01:37 PM
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28. Losing 2 floors with 900 people is a major disruption
Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 01:51 PM by DrDebug
So it doesn't make sense. It would cause a major disruption for normal companies.

P.S. Wayne Madsen is a pretty good investigator. Much better than most. There are countless times when Wayne gave the right clues. I have tremendous respect for him.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 01:03 PM
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27. Also, Wayne Madsen may not be a reliable source. n/t
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. Google Cantor Fitzgerlad.
N/T
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 04:10 PM
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34. What are you implying with that statement.
Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 04:15 PM by DrDebug
I don't find anything funny about killing 685 (Cantor) + 125 (eSpeed) + 67 (Sander O'Neill) = 877 people out of about 1,200. I am using the K word for a reason, because 6 executives were on holiday because of bad weather and had started Kyoto Mo. And no, I don't call those things coincidence.

They are in jail now for illegal gambling operations so that's at least something.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/cover071105.htm

There are some people for which I do can find some empathy like ZimAmerican because at least they moved out to spare their employees which was the best solution given the circumstances. So they have a bonus. Cantor/Kyoto doesn't...

Or you denying the above story? Because if you do then I'll just click the ignore buton and then you'll know why I'll never answer you again.
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. I was answering..
The question raised aout how losing an office in the WTC disupted operations of trading firms that had their entire trading floors in these buildings vs D&J who had offices all over the world.

I have no idea what set you off.

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 04:25 PM
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36. Cantor is the dirty story in 9/11
Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 04:25 PM by DrDebug
And no I don't compare D&J with Cantor, because they did save their employees. I think that they are liars, but at least they are not guilty of mass murder like those six in Cantor.
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. So Cantor
was responsible for the 9-11 attacks? I am trying to understand what you are saying b/c I honestly have not heard Cantor's involvement in the attack if that is what you are saying.

What do you mean by "save their employees?"

How are the "six in Cantor" "guilty of mass murder?"
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. Figure it out
yourself.
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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. Myself
Right b/c you cannot articulate any single coherent theory.

The Bushies
THe Gambling Cantor 6
Cheyney's Shadow Government
The news networks
NORAD

The conspiracy just keeps getting bigger and bigger, yet its funny how no one has talked yet.
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:38 PM
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41. Psst. ShowMeTheTruth...
Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 11:39 PM by Jazz2006
It doesn't take anything to set some people off here. Some just go off of their own accord for no apparent reason whatsoever.

You didn't say or do anything wrong. Your posts were perfectly straightforward, appropriate and legitimate.

Some people here just can't deal with that and they assume that if you do not agree with everything they say, you must have some kind of agenda and they therefore feel justified in being outrageously rude to you. It's weird, I know, but there you have it.

As a head's up, there are are some seriously deluded folks here.

I am not referring specifically to the Debug person, by the way, and this is not an attack against him or her. I don't know what he/she is about and have only seen Debug posts over the past few days in long threads that he/she posts repeatedly on, seemingly to himself/herself and I have never had any interaction with him/her. I say that only for clarification to the mods that this is not a personal attack against Debug.

Rather, it is a general observation and a head's up that there are a few seriously deluded posters here. You will be able to pick them out if you read through some of the threads. They tend to accuse newcomers who disagree with them of all manner of things such as being other posters, being paid shills, being freepers, lying about anything you say, and they just plain make things up afterwards to pretend that you've been bothering them and not the other way around ~ but don't let it bother you. They aren't ALL like that.

And welcome to DU.

:hi:

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Show_Me _The_Truth Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 11:51 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. Thanks for the welcome from up North.
This actually amuses me in some way. I came here to learn and debate with people of differing viewpoints, feel like it sharpens my mind in some way. WHo knows, maybe I might run into something that changes my mind on the whole MIHOP thing. But so far no.

Funny you mention it, I have already been threatened with an ignore if I disagree with someone, I have been called a freeper, a shill, and I think even accused of being another poster in disguise b/c I insist on seeing evidence instead of wild speculation.

Not a very Progressive viewpoint to insist that everyone who disagrees with you should be ignored or defamed.
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Jazz2006 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-02-06 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #43
45. You're quite welcome.
I can relate entirely to your description of the treatment you've received. I got all the same crap when I started here, too (and I still do from the same few who have no debating skills and simply engage in cheerleading and piling on and abusive nonsense). I was quite shocked at first, frankly, because I was leapt upon by a tag team here, accused of being another poster, called a freeper, a troll, a shill, a disruptor, and a zombie (I had to even ask for definitions of some of the slurs as I had no idea what they meant ~ lol) and I began to think that I must have been misled by the friend who referred me to this site when he said it was progressive and full of great debate and intelligent people.

But as I now know, the vast majority of people at this site are terrific. You just have to get out into other areas of the site and not stick to the dungeon to find out how many great people there are here. The "dungeon" is not reflective of the rest of the site. There are some excellent debaters and intelligent people who post here in the dungeon, too, of course ~ I'm sure you've either stumbled across some of them by now or you will soon.

But be sure to get out to other areas of the site that interest you in order to really get a taste for this place. I came to love it after I realized that it's not all like this forum.

Whatever your interests are, you're sure to find forums or groups that appeal to you. I didn't even know what DU Groups were for weeks and was pleasantly surprised to find some that are of great interest to me.

General Discussion and Late Breaking News move pretty fast and can be tough to keep up with, but there is always something of interest going on.

And the Lounge ~ gotta love the Lounge ~ totally different mindset and perfect for kicking back and just yakking with friendly people, especially when you need a break from the 9/11 forum abuse.

Cheers, Jazz.

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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 09:12 PM
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38. Thsnk you n/t
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