CIA Involvement with WTC 93 bombing

[mirandapriestly]

Here is a pretty quick documentary showing the CIA Afghanistan link. It also discusses the "blind Sheikh" and his CIA/Iran connections.
What is interesting is that it uses mainstream media (ABC DAY ONE) another ABC documentary from 1994 or so. The narrator had remembered seeing these shows on tv and tried to get copies. He was told they were "no longer available", but somehow he managed to get them. The documentaries start about half way through and basically show that al qaeda was begun by the CIA. Leslie Cockburn did one of them

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7035442042246512671

[DemInDistress]

1. I am watching this now..

I remember reading about the involvement of the FBI. The informant who worked with the FBI asked,"why the LIVE
bomb?" H'm.
Was that bombing a presidential gift to Bill Clinton from Poppy (CIA/VP/POTUS)Bush and his sore losing neocon
buddies? I'd like to know.
This dial up connection should take only about 4-6 hours. I'll see you tonight.

[cagen]

2. BOTH

Maybe not. Maybe both Bush AND Clinton are criminals. Can that be possible?

[DemInDistress]

3. in light of how much time Bill spends with Poppy bush these

days I wouldn't be at all surprised. Wasn't Gov. Clinton involved with the cocaine operations @ Mena,Ark.? I recall reading about the CIA cocaine flights that worked out of Mena. There is even a story of young dick head george and his brother dick head jeb stopping by Mena as some new cocaine had just arrived. Barry Seals was an agent for the CIA who brought cocaine to the USA.
Was Bill involved? H'm !!

I sure would like to know.. BTW,.. "WELCOME TO DU :hi: :hi: "

[petgoat]

4. I thought that bit about the Mena Arkansas drug flights was just

a freeper urban legend until Daniel Hospicker reported on it.
If it was a CIA operation and Clinton was involved, that would
do a lot of explain why he was so dismayingly chummy with the
Bushes after 11/04 when he should have been shouting and
screaming at them.

[Grateful for Hope]

5. Yes I agree

Although, to his credit (Clinton's), he doesn't appear to be all that chummy with Jr...only with the father.

But, regardless, he should be speaking his mind about the mess we are in now.

[earth mom]

6. Clinton and Bush Sr are way too chummy for my taste.

I put nothing past either of em. :grr:

[mirandapriestly]

7. yes, there is a great picture of them where Bush senior

is looking at Clinton's hands (for some reason) and Junior looks on. I saw it yesterday and now I can't find it. They are all smiles, yet is a candid, not "official". They are linked through the Mena Arkansas /Bobby Seals story, I can't find the pic now. I mean really, Clinton is a very bright guy, but how did he go from Virginia's son to POTUS. Those kind of fairy tales don't come true any more unless someone makes a deal with the devil.

[earth mom]

15. Deal with the Devil...

you may be on to something...

:wow:

[rman]

17. Quite possible, but Repubs sure didn't like Clinton

(see White-Water, "The hunting of the president")
http://www.thehuntingofthepresident.com/

If both are criminals, than they belong to rivaling gangs.

[StealthyDragon]

19. If both are criminals, than they belong to rivaling gangs.

That's just to mix the American sheep-le up.

The powers that be have to create the illusion that there is a choice.

Both parties learned a long time ago that there is plenty of money to share.

[rman]

20. Possible,

but infighting is not unusual among criminal.
At any rate i'm not saying that the Dem party is unequivocally the party of the good guys.

[mirandapriestly]

21. I kind of agree, but I think Clinton is a lot better

for example he was investigating terrorists and Junior put the kabash on most of those investigations. The Bushes are out right criminals. I don't mean to say any of the Republican witch hunt was justified. there is something between Clinton and Bush, though.

[StealthyDragon]

22. investigating terrorists.......

That would be great if there actually were terrorists.

In actuality just about all terrorism seems to point back to Al CIA Duh!

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that there isn't any such thing. I'm sure our treatment of the world is bound to create some. But as a whole, and considering our wide open borders, terrorism at least in this country is state created.

[mirandapriestly]

8. The reason I posted this is because

information has come to light after the fact with the Lockerbie hijacking (CIA planted evidence to finger the wrong guys for political reasons), the Oklahoma City (they left out the ME'ers because they were targeting "dissenters" (McVeigh)with that one(same with the unibomber), and the 93 wtc bombing. There was also a lot of false flag IRA activity. Yet people refuse to believe it about 9-11.
Another unfortunate aspect of these examples is that people don't care about it after awhile. The 93 bombing trials were going on at the same time OJ killed his wife, guess what everyone paid attention to? (self included, ashamed to say...).

[Americus]

9. Why do you feel that "people don't care about it after a while"?

I agree with you and my own opinion is that the main reason why most people "don't care about it after a while" is because they:

* Are distracted, discouraged, busy w/work, family and too tired to focus on anything other than TV.

* Are unable to appreciate how events outside of their immediate life can have an impact on THEM.

* Are woefully ill-equipped to engage in critical reasoning.

* Are pessimistic and feel there's nothing they can do about it, so why be concerned with it.

* Are not knowledgeable enough about current events, history, how powerful people think, and the fact that nothing happens in political affairs "by accident". Most people cannot reason beyond an actual event itself, so they only have a dim understanding that certain parties benefit from extraordinary events and do so at the expense of "the little people". Likewise, the average person is unaware that whenever they vote in political elections, they are manipulated into voting against their own economic interest and they just don't realize that powerful forces often are behind events that are then used to galvanize support for government actions that work against the interest of the vast majority of people.

[mirandapriestly]

12. The corporate media looms larger than life

over people lives. It's their reality, even though it is actually very far from the truth. They accept it as infallible for the most part and think there is no way that they would lie to us or omit anything important. So they don't pay attention unless something is center and front. They don't even realize it. I know cuz I used to be that way, now I notice even NPR is biased and doesn't tell the whole truth.

[Grateful for Hope]

10. I am amazed that ABC aired Day One

even back in 1993. The video was very good.

Didn't Calhoun mention another event that we didn't pay attention to because of the Utah kidnapping (Elizabeth Smart)?

I don't know why people are so resistant to believe this about 9/11, when CIA involvement has been shown in so many other instances. What is so different about 9/11?

[quickesst]

11. Here's an article...

from the Consortium News archive by Robert Parry. I remember seeing something like this that dismissed the Mena-Clinton crap from my mind awhile ago. Also, here it the url that covers several aspects of the "vast right-wing conspiracy", which I believe was real. Some will never let go.Thanks.
quickesst

<http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/clinto11.html>

Right-wing money also sloshed around other anti-Clinton allegations, including those connecting Gov. Clinton to drug smuggling at a small airport near Mena, Ark., in the mid-1980s. Those allegations were featured in "The Clinton Chronicles" as well as in anti-Clinton articles by the Wall Street Journal and the American Spectator.

The Journal articles reportedly caught the attention of House Speaker Gingrich who authorized a Mena investigation by the Republican-controlled House Banking Committee. After an expensive two-year probe, however, the committee finally acknowledged that it uncovered no evidence connecting Clinton to any wrongdoing at Mena.

In his investigation, Waas found that money from the Citizens for Honest Government was present in the Mena allegations, too. According to the group's accounting records, former Saline County, Ark., deputy sheriff John Brown received more than $28,000 in 1994 and 1995. Brown wrote about the Clinton-Mena allegations for the Wall Street Journal and appeared in a Citizens-produced video on the Mena allegations.

In an interview with Waas, Patrick Matrisciana, president of Citizens for Honest Government, acknowledged the payments to anti-Clinton witnesses. But Matrisciana insisted that "we did not pay people to tell lies. ... We paid people so that they would no longer have to be afraid to tell the truth."

Deception, however, appears to have been a big part of the package. Not only have GOP-run investigations failed to corroborate the central suspicions raised by "The Clinton Chronicles" and other anti-Clinton videos, but Falwell and Matrisciana apparently engaged in a false-advertising scam to help sell their products.

During one infomercial, Falwell interviewed a silhouetted individual whom he identified only as an "investigative reporter," according to Waas's article.

"Could you please tell me and the American people why you think that your life and the lives of others on this video are in danger?" Falwell asked the mystery man.

"Jerry, two weeks ago, we had an interview with a man who was an insider," the silhouetted man replied. "His plane crashed and he was killed an hour before the interview. You may say this is just a coincidence, but there was another fellow that we were also going to interview, and he was killed in a plane crash. Jerry, are these coincidences? I don't think so."

In the interview with Waas, however, Matrisciana admitted that he was the silhouetted man. "Obviously, I'm not an investigative reporter," Matrisciana said, "and I doubt our lives were actually in any real danger. That was Jerry's idea to do that. ... He thought that would be dramatic."

In another article in Salon, Waas and co-writer Jonathan Broder disclosed that David Hale, the key witness against President Clinton in the Whitewater affair, also received clandestine payments from Clinton's political enemies. This article quoted two eyewitnesses in Arkansas describing numerous cash deliveries to Hale between 1994 and 1996, after Hale became a cooperating federal witness for special prosecutor Kenneth Starr.

Hale's payments came from representatives of the so-called Arkansas Project, a $2.4 million campaign to investigate Clinton. The project was financed by right-wing billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife and the money was funnelled through the American Spectator to attorney Stephen Boynton, according to the article. "A portion of the funds went to Parker Dozhier, a 56-year-old sportsman and fur trapper who then made the cash payments to Hale, according to Caryn Mann, Dohzier's former live-in girlfriend, and her 17-year-old son, Joshua Rand," the article stated.

[mirandapriestly]

13. We were threatened.

We were warned that asking questions would make us unAmerican or maybe even get us arrested. yeah, I'll have to watch it again to see the Elizabeth Smart part, what was that?

[Grateful for Hope]

14. I could be wrong

but, Calhoun was talking about the OJ Simpson trial and how everyone was watching it instead of the 1993 bombing trials, and then, I believe that he mentioned something else that wasn't paid attention to because of the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping.

[mirandapriestly]

16. Colleen Rowley Bombshell Memo

story broke that summer. He said he remember thinking that is the perfect opportunity for the press to uncover 911. Then * said he knew nothing in advance about 911 and he thought OK the press is going to go after him, but they never did because the Elizabeth Smart story broke and the press all rushed over there and never touched the Rowley story or Bush. I just had a serious tinfoil moment about the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping, but I won't go there.)

[Grateful for Hope]

18. Thanks, Miranda

That is what it was! Gotta love our press. You can cout on it to be there and report on the most important issues that concern the welfare of our country.

:sarcasm: