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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 10:53 PM
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DC9 w/ 5.5 tons of coke was CIA PLANE
Thank you in advance for not moving this to the 9/11 Dungeon, since this is WAY bigger than just 9/11, as you can obviously see from this article:

http://www.madcowprod.com

WORLD EXCLUSIVE
May 25 2006--Venice,FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker

The mystery of Porter Goss resignation last month as CIA Director is apparently directly related to the huge seizure in Mexico several weeks earlier of over 5.5 tons of cocaine, according to government documents recently obtained by the The MadCowMorningNews.

After Gosss surprise resignation last month he told reporters his reason for resigning was "just one of those mysteries," offering no other explanation for his sudden departure after almost two years on the job.

Goss resignation appears to be connected to the unprecedented withholding by the Federal Aviation Administration of the registration records for the DC9 (N900SA) which more than six weeks ago was caught carrying a cargo of five-and-a-half tons of cocaine, neatly packed into 126 identical black suitcases at a jungle airstrip in the Yucatan.

the rest can be found at: http://www.madcowprod.com
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 10:56 PM
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1. Some background here
from vheadline:

Cannonfire Blogspot writes: Daniel Hopsicker has dug up a remarkable story ... one which I have been trying to take a small step or two further:

One of the two owners of the DC9 (tail number N900SA) busted at an airport in the Yucatan last week after lumbering in from Caracas, Venezuela carrying an astonishing 5.5 TONS of cocaine was appointed in 1993 to the Business Advisory Council of the National Republican Congressional Committee by then-Congressional Majority Leader Tom Delay, The MadCowMorningNews can exclusively report.

The plane's registered owner, Royal Sons LLC, a Florida air charter company, was at one time housed in a hanger at the Venice Fl. Airport owned by infamous flight school Huffman Aviation.

Interestingly enough, the DC9 was painted to resemble an official government aircraft.

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:01 PM
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2. Thanks
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:03 PM
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3. Um, wasn't Dick Gephardt the House Majority Leader in 1993?
Are there any other errors in this story?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:04 PM
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4. This is an amazing non-story. Why isn't the MSM all over this?
It bothers me that no media outlet is picking this up. $250,000,000.00 of cocaine packed neatly in 138 identical suitcases. The plane flies out of the same Venice airport that the 9/11 hi-jackers got training. Connections to the the same CIA suspects there, too. It is a really sad day when the media wont look into why a CIA plane has 5.5 tons of coke on it. If this doesn't underscore the hypocrisy of the war on drugs, nothing will.

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:05 PM
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5. Will this be headed for the dungeon?
I know there's a whiff of conspiracy and 9/11 in this, but DU should not treat this as a non-story.
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:11 PM
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6. Probably
GD has more important things to discuss, like DUHbya and Laura's marrage, how many times Pink Floyd is mentioned in the adverts, etc.

And while I'm thinking about it, just to balance it out: QUEEN BRIAN MAY ROGER TAYLOR JOHN DEACON FREDDIE MERCURY QUEEN BRIAN MAY ROGER TAYLOR JOHN DEACON FREDDIE MERCURY QUEEN BRIAN MAY ROGER TAYLOR JOHN DEACON FREDDIE MERCURY QUEEN BRIAN MAY ROGER TAYLOR JOHN DEACON FREDDIE MERCURY there how's that?
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:11 PM
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7. ok, I'm 5 n/t
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:20 PM
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8. Whoops! Moved.
How reputable is Madcow?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:22 PM
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:38 PM
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15. Only a teeny tiny fraction of people can see it?
Anybody can come here and see this thread. Here it is, right here!
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LuCifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:45 PM
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19. LOL
They deleted me for THAT?! What is going ON here?! Have the mods lost their fucking minds, OR...infiltration?! Can't handle some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism?
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 12:15 AM
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22. Why was it moved? Because of the madcowprod.com site? I know
nothing about that. I was going to post in the original post on Greatest page, and found it had been locked. And it vanished from the Greatest page, so I posed the question in a GD post, and someone said that they had posted a similar article last week and it was 'dungeoned.'
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diamondsndust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:42 PM
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17. i checked out your website... pretty cool!....
I have some some blog software somewhere here on my hard drive, if you want it, I'll find it for you so you can put it on your site.

check this out too.. http://www.midnitecallers.com/wicca.html
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:44 PM
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18. They don't want to be 'Truthouted'?
Edited on Sun May-28-06 12:03 AM by Old and In the Way
I just want to see someone look into this.....is it true or not? If it is true, we are talking about the US Government in the coke disti business. This was worth about $600 Million Dollars. In a fricken DC-9 dressed to look like an official plane of the US government. C'mon, why isn't this story being looked into?

This really frustrates me that DU won't give the story proper visibility....maybe if enough people see it and talk about it, we can get the MSM to investigate it.

BTW, here's the collective wisdom of FR on this subject....lalalala, it's a Clinton./Kennedy deal. I am amazed that they don't take this seriously. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1627559/posts?...
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diamondsndust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:24 PM
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10. i'm shocked that they didn't find boy blunder in the middle of
the briefcases with a razor blade and a straw!
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DemforNagin Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:25 PM
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11. Help me out here...
Couple of questions, in case I'm missing something.

1) "Goss resignation appears to be connected to the unprecedented withholding by the Federal Aviation Administration of the registration records for the DC9 (N900SA) which more than six weeks ago was caught carrying a cargo of five-and-a-half tons of cocaine, neatly packed into 126 identical black suitcases at a jungle airstrip in the Yucatan."

Q) I can't find any semblance of the connection that Daniel is writing about.

2) " The twin to the DC9 bursting with 5.5 tons of cocaine is a CIA plane."

Q) I also can't find anything related to this being a fact, as it's reported as such. The previous paragraph describes "previous owners being front companies for the CIA", but the current registration is unknown.

I'd just like to know if anyone has any further info on this that I haven't seen and obviously can't find anywhere else.


Anyone? Anyone?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:36 PM
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14. The only one who seems to be on this is Hopsicker.
This is either the most important story of corrupted government, ever....or this is a complete fabrication. The MSM has not reported anything on it. Does that make it illegitimate? Or proof that it is true? I dearly want to see someone pick this up, if only to debunk it. This deserves more exposure. Why doesn't DU want to give it that exposure? No guts, no glory.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:41 PM
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:47 PM
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21. I'd sure like Skinner to weigh in on this.
I don't really care that it gets relegated to 9/11...in fact, I think it probably belongs there.....after it gets a chance to be exposed on greatest page.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 10:05 AM
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35. the rule
as explained to me:

anything that can be termed a "conspiracy" is put here -- whether it has anything to do with 9/11 or not.

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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 01:12 AM
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23. This is my best effort at connecting the dots...
Okay, this is a little complex, and I'm not sure of how accurate the CIA part of the story is.

First off, let's be clear they claim they had just sold the plane, but the bill of sale had little or no info as regards the purchaser. They were paid in full by Jorge Corrales, another aircraft broker.

Geffon provided the Tribune with a copy of what he says is a bill of sale he turned over to his
title company. It had no information about the purchaser.

Corrales "did not want me to know" who bought the aircraft "and I didn't care anyway," he said.

Corrales, who owns Corrales and Associates, disagrees. He said Geffon does know who purchased the
aircraft. It was a Venezuelan company, Corrales said.


http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBIXRMZTME.html


The airplane was owned by Royal Sons, Inc., which is owned by Skyway Communications, whose president
is Brent Kovar, who was named 'honorary chairman of the Business Advisory Council' by Tom Delay according to an article dated September 28, 2003. They claim Kovar bragged about doing business with the CIA, but people tend to say things sometimes to make themselves look like bigger men than they are, you know. So I just can't put much truck into that bit.

FAA registry of the plane to Royal Sons

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNu...

Check this Edgar finding, you can see that Royal Sons is owned-by/part-of Skyway Communications.

http://sec.freeedgar.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFili...

Okay, now it gets a little tricky. Skyway Communications is actually SkyWay Aircraft, search the following link for this phrase or some part thereof (sans quotes) and it will take you right to the relevant bit. The link is completely unrelated to the story, but it gives you the info in an unbiased way.

"Frank Delahanty to Director of Airline Operations of SkyWay Communications Holdings (SkyWay Aircraft), Clearwater, FL."

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:aLbjyhC2ZMEJ:www.sp...


"SkyWay Aircraft Leasing" is where you might get the CIA connection, other than from some fool's arrogant mouth. Once upon a time *'s buddy James Bath claimed he was the sole owner of SkyWay Aircraft, but the business was actually found to be owned by Khalid bin Mahfouz. Mahfouz was the banker for the CIA (BCCI) during Iran-Contra. Ollie North infamously boasted in one of his books how they financed much of the Iran/Contra business through drug smuggling.


The $6 million question is, are there two Skyway Aircraft companies (Skyway Aircraft and SkyWay Aircraft Leasing) owned by totally different people? If they are, in fact, the same company or related in the way Skyway Communications and SkyWay Aircraft are, it kind of puts the right people, back in the same some old business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Bath

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff111605.htm



Does this make sense? Makes my head spin...
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 02:29 AM
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26. Hmmm. That causes an alarm bell
to go off:

"He said Geffon does know who purchased the
aircraft. It was a Venezuelan company, Corrales said."

I'm jumping the gun here and speculating before I have enough info, but if true, it would suggest the possibilty of the CIA secretly funding military units for a coup against Chavez, just they way they've done things before in South America for ex Iran/contra.

Uncle Sam don't cotton to uppity Mexicans who want to defy the US's privatization program and control there own resources.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 02:38 AM
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27. It certainly raises an eyebrow. Sounds like old dogs, old tricks n/t
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 02:48 AM
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28. Yep. Nice leg-work on that other post BTW.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 02:52 AM
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29. Thanks :) n/t
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 03:14 AM
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30. That's what I thought as soon as I read Venezuela;
shades of Iran/Contra. I posted it on another thread no one replied .. :eyes: I don't like this at all. For years I've thought: when are they going after Chavez?, I hope this isn't it, Jeb's been ruling the southeastern kingdom for years making sure things run smoothly.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 09:47 AM
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33. Chavez is a target, no doubt about it.
This smells awfully familiar. Good call.
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DemforNagin Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 09:04 AM
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32. Once I wake up completely...
I'm sure it'll be perfectly understandable.. :)

Thanks for your time in looking all that up and presenting it.


Oh, and you'll have to forgive my forced skepticism of "news" that is strictly carried on those little backwater outlets like that.
Been burned a few times now by them you know..
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 01:40 PM
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37. I think they get burned sometimes, which is why I try to verify
with mainstream and other reliable sources not related to the story (not suggesting that mainstream news is always reliable).
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 10:49 AM
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36. Guns for Coke?
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/05/is-bout-arming-i...


Another story not reported in the MSM. Cocaine is certainly an excellent currency when traceability is an issue.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:28 PM
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12. To the dungeon with ye!
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DemforNagin Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:33 PM
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13. I agree...
That was kinda crappy to move this topic like that.

But, they do what they do and all manner of argument will likely get you nowhere.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 03:15 AM
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31. Is that a picture of Lared?
Edited on Sun May-28-06 03:20 AM by mirandapriestly
(just kidding).
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 10:02 AM
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34. I would never wear a black hood
A fashion no-no if there ever was one. And I'm much hairier.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-27-06 11:46 PM
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20. latest interview
Edited on Sun May-28-06 12:03 AM by slaveplanet
http://www.spitfirelist.com/mp3/F_554a.mp3

http://www.spitfirelist.com/mp3/F_554b.mp3


Learn how the sister plane ties in with Iran/Contra and Kashoggi, offshore gambling, the jewish mob and just about everything criminally perpetrated in our little country's name over the last 40 years or so.

Hopsicker was never supposed to get the identity of the history of that sister plane, someone at the FAA screwed up big time when they didn't whitewash it as they did with cocaine one.
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 01:34 AM
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24. The CIA has been involved
in drug running for many years.

Robert Parry describes in his book "Lost History" that it went on for quite a while in the 80's before the MSM finally reported it after being forced to by foreign news sources breaking the story.

He had gone to New York at one point only to find reporters there already knew but wouldn't report it.

The surprise would be if the CIA had STOPPED running drugs if you know their history.
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theSaiGirl Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 02:12 PM
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38. Drug dealing, gun running, money-laundering, assassination, coups

But don't worry.
They only get involved in that kind of thing "abroad".
They would never dare do anything like that here.
Especially under a Democratic President or state governor...

Only abroad ... can't happen here.

Killing a President in broad daylight ?
Rigged elections ?
Even fakiing hijacked planes and blowing up buildings... ?
They'd do it abroad ... but never, never, never here in this country.

Why they'd never dare !
Besides, conspiracies like that are just too big to keep secret .. right ?

(oops... I guess none of them ARE secrets .. anymore.. )

But that's ok.
We should still keep saying, over and over, "It can't happen here.. it can't happen here ..".....

(As Dortothy hugs Toto tight and whispers "There's no place like home. There's no place like home.."



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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 01:55 AM
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25. Great stuff....everyone should check it out.
Hopsicker comes across as a very dedicated and thorough researcher.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-03-06 10:45 AM
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39. this pisses me off so much
why isn't it at GD....

I know....'conspiracy theory'

I have a theory on that....
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