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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 06:56 PM
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"I think an act of heroism just took place"
Sorry to start another Flight 93 thread, but the others have gotten long and strayed from their original purpose. The author of the following opinion (from the website Penatagon Research) points out the obvious Flight 93 propaganda campaign, just as the truth is starting to come about the other alleged terrorism that day. Why not take the plane with the least amount of evidence and turn it into a larger than life myth - a story of brave heroism! Just when did they cook the heroism story up?

From the story:
Word came that Flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania. Aides frantically called the White House to find out whether a military jet had shot it down.

When was the very first mention of Flight 93 in conjunction with a story of heroism? The answer lies in an interview conducted in the vice presidents office on September 11, 2002 with CNNs John King:

Word came that Flight 93 crashed in Pennsylvania. Aides frantically called the White House to find out whether a military jet had shot it down.

'The vice president was a little bit ahead of us, said Eric Edelman, Cheney's national security advisor. He said sort of softly and to nobody in particular, 'I think an act of heroism just took place on that plane.'" CNN

So let's try and imagine the situation. Cheney and Rice are in an underground bunker. From the 9/11 Commission Report we know the phone line to the president wasn't working. Cheney had just given shootdown orders. His aides were "frantic". Attacks had already occurred killing thousands. Washington was being evacuated and false reports of every kind were flying everywhere. The aides were trying to find out if our own military had shot the aircraft down. But Cheney says, ".... sort of softly and to nobody in particular, 'I think an act of heroism just took place on that plane.'" Stop and think about that for a second.

What could he have possibly based that statement on? Even his aide noticed Cheney was, a little bit ahead of us. I would go so far as to say he was a lot ahead of everybody. There was absolutely no possible way that Cheney was aware of the alleged cell phone calls and most certainly he had not heard the cockpit voice recorder. Where did he get his idea from? Was it a pre-planned story? Was it his cover story for giving illegal shootdown orders without the president's approval?

The least likely thing of all the possibilities that would've happened to that aircraft is that passengers could take control of the cockpit and cause the hijackers to crash it. There is no historical precedent for such a thing to even come up with the idea...."
(more at site)

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/opinion.html

I was reading about Paul Greengrass and he once wrote a book with a former MI5 assistant director, I think that is interesting and I wonder what his background is.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-29-06 10:26 PM
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1. Sure, in his Depends.
IMHO storming the cockpit was either some type of scripted wargame (the sadistic type, probably) or it didn't happen at all.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 12:50 AM
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2. What do you mean?nt
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:15 AM
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3. I have a feeling
some "players" knew it was a game, like the pilots, hijackers, and maybe a few passengers, but the other passengers and stewardesses didn't, to make it more "realtime."

It's just the kind of lousy trick these creeps get off on.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:30 AM
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4. I Do you have a "theory" on how it played out?
I'm undecided on this one.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 01:40 AM
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5. Yes
I think they collected the passengers from all four flights, players and innocent travelers, onto 93, sent missiles into the buildings, and then blew up 93.

Maybe they did the cockpit "scenario," maybe not. Dick and Rummy would find it amusing so they probably did.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 06:09 AM
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6. I'd like to modify your theory
I think two passenger jets did hit the WTC but they did not cause those buildings to collapse and turn to dust. That could only be accomplished by the use of a WMD nuclear or conventional from within the buildings.

However, I think both 93 & 77 landed and the passengers were consolidated into the one plane that was shot down over PA. Whatever hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77.

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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:32 PM
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7. In light of Cheney making the act of heroism comments which is so unlikely
I think your theory is reasonable.
"Even his aide noticed Cheney was, a little bit ahead of us. " - Hmmm, Now why do you think that was ? Because the whole think was a pre-planned script just like the recent Hollywood movie whose director, Paul Greengrass, has worked before with a former British Intelligence agent?...Maybe...
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 09:33 PM
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8. That's a fascinating observation mirandapriestly.
It does sound like Cheney was getting ahead of the story.
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politrix Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 02:04 AM
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9. All They Had Was Boxcutters
They couldn'tve taken over anything I was riding in.

No one seems to look at that. What kind of man lets a couple of goofballs with razor blades take over his life?


I don't see heroism, I see some weird unanswered questions. I'dve beat all their asses, they wouldn'tve made it to the cockpit. I don't believe the story, men aren't afraid of little boxcutters. Something's wrong with this story.

Something ELSE obviously happened and the movie is one big lie. People make them heroes but, they were pussies if they REALLY let people hijack their lives with boxcutters.

They were grossly outnumbered and a boxcutter can't kill anyone - short of them being held down and having their throats slit and, there was too many people onboard for them to do that.

The story is a bad lie.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 09:19 PM
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13. They couldn'tve taken over anything I was riding in.
LOL, :rofl:

Yeah, it's easy to talk big on an anonymous BB. You must be what, 16 years old to talk trash like that. Save your bullshit and bluster for the girls.

You seem to forget the hijackers claimed they had a bomb, and the passengers only took action because they knew the hijacking was a suicide mission after they found out about the WTC attacks. Proir to 9/11 the response to a hijacking was to do whatever the hijackers told you to do.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 10:12 PM
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14. Actually the threat of a bomb alone would probably keep people in line
Just stay in your seats, we will be landing soon. No one be brave, or we'll blow this plane to smithereens. Yep, they didn't need box cutters, words would have been enough of a weapon.

I don't remember being told there were bomb threats in the Official Version 1.0 . Is that in 2.0 or 3.0 or did I miss it somehow?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 10:43 PM
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15. Ladies and Gentlemen....We have a bomb on board
At 9:32, a hijacker, probably Jarrah, made or attempted to make the following
announcement to the passengers of Flight 93:Ladies and Gentlemen:Here
the captain, please sit down keep remaining sitting.We have a bomb on board.
So, sit. The flight data recorder (also recovered) indicates that Jarrah then
instructed the planes autopilot to turn the aircraft around and head east.


http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.pdf

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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 10:53 PM
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16. On the other planes, as well? Do we know?
Edited on Mon May-01-06 11:00 PM by Sinti
Only a few would risk the lives of all those passengers in an attempt to take the plane away from men with a bomb. Shouldn't we assume the hijackers would have also known this, and would have made the threat. Box cutters alone strikes me as the equivalent of trying to rob a bank with a baseball bat.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 12:36 AM
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18. I also remember something about devices around their waist
that looked like they could be explosives. But seems like this would also serve as a deterrent from trying to "take over the plane".
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 12:47 AM
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19. If they were plastic toys, would people know the difference?
If this really happened, and I'm not at all certain, it's perfectly feasible for a man to hold up a toy and people would sit quiet rather than risk the dude detonating himself.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 01:30 AM
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20. Absolutely, that's what I meant.
I also think it would prevent them from storming the cockpit, though.
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politrix Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 06:37 PM
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10. "act of heroism" - Overcoming Fear Of Boxcutters
How heroic. Didn't somebody write a book on it?

"Fear Of Flying (w/boxcutters)" By Erica (I would've kicked their punk asses) Jong.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 06:59 PM
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11. Remember when Erica Jong was considered scandalous?
Is she still even writing? But about the box cutters, you know, supposedly the "hijackers" had fake bombs. I wonder if the movie moves this into the arena of truth so that it becomes part of the "myth". If true, I wonder how realistic those were and if they were enough to intimidate anyone? There were also reports of guns, but that disappeared. I can't remember if that was Flight93, though. The guns were probably a whisper campaign so people who scrutinize would think that they had them but were covering it up for liability purposes.
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politrix Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 08:31 PM
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12. I Think Erica Jong Committed Suicide
Or, maybe it was Sylvia Plath...
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 12:22 AM
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17. Well definitely Sylvia Plath, sad story there. nt
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politrix Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 01:47 AM
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21. Reminds Me Of Virgina Woolf
Another painfully brilliant writer who ended it all...
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