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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 12:01 PM
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How could UA175 take two totally different approach paths to the WTC?
Check these out:

1) this looks like a straight approach from the south (this is a Japanese video shot from a few miles west of the WTC):
http://thewebfairy.com/whatzit/wtcufo_c.wmv "

2) this looks like an approach straight from the southwest (this is a video from Detroit Public TV shot a few miles to the north of the WTC):
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2hit7/911.wtc.2.plane.no...
(Final part of video is here: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2hit7/911.wtc.2.hit.nort... )


I think this is the clearest discrepency in plane paths I've found so far.

There is actually no doubt they show different paths-- in the Japanese video, the plane gets lost in the smoke cloud early on and in the second video, shot from the north, the plane avoids the smoke cloud completely!

Anyone want to reconcile the differences?

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Debunking911 Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 01:04 PM
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1. Looks just like a poor video to me.
The plane is the same color as the smoke so it gets lost because of similar pixel color. Nothing more sinister than that.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:43 AM
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7. my best guess is at least one of those videos is fake
possibly both.

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Debunking911 Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:52 AM
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10. My, what a mature response...
What's interesting is that this is the same tactic used by the right to stifle criticism. More irony is the Right are the ones using this to make all of us look stupid. It looks to me like they WANT the left to get tied up in this.

When 911 conspiracy theorist are confronted with the facts they always fall back on character assassination. "Don't listen to him, hes a shill" is no different than "Don't listen to him, hes a liberal".

If anyone wants the 911 conspiracist to succeed it's Rove. That's why I'm debunking this.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:30 PM
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16. You are doing the exact thing that you are saying
others are doing. Mark my words, Rove does NOT want a thorough investigation of 911, which is what 911 skeptics want. People who believe the official lies are the "conspiracy theorists".
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:43 AM
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8. this has nothing to do with video quality but rather what direction the
plane came from-- the two videos show extremely different approach paths
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Debunking911 Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:13 AM
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11. Web fairy video taken from New Jersey/Staten Island
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 09:18 AM by Debunking911
Terrorize is taken from northern Manhattan.

Image

The thin red line to the north would be the terrorize video while the other on the left would be the web fairy. The thick red arrow is the planes path.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:02 PM
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19. Spooked gave that information in his first post.nt
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 09:22 AM
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28. Absolutely not. Compare and contrast them again. nt
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 01:16 AM
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3. The smoke is going in two totally different directions
Spatial perception is a weak point of mine, but I've looked several times and it is going in two different directions. Am I nuts? (Don't answer that!)
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:45 AM
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9. I think the smoke basically goes straight up and trails south-southeast
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:25 PM
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15. In your first video the smoke trail moves toward the plane
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 09:39 PM by mirandapriestly
in #2, it moves in the complete opposite direction. What am I missing? Is it because they are shot from different angles?
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 01:30 AM
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4. Here's the Hlava 2nd hit
in this , taken from below, the smoke is going in yet another direction - straight up. Although I would have to see it from a different angle to be sure. Off topic -Also check out the light show on the 2nd tower "pre-hit"
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 02:18 AM
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5. And this from the north
Edited on Wed Apr-19-06 02:29 AM by mirandapriestly
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 08:41 AM
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6. yes, that one shows a similar plane path as the other video from the north
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 12:19 PM
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12. this from Team8plus.. flight 175 went west out through NJ
entered Pennsylvania where it made the turn and headed east striking WT2 from the southwest.. good animation

http://team8plus.org/news.php?item.32
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:37 PM
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17. yes, that is a good map/animation
I think I'll spend some time studying that, thanks for the linky.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:17 PM
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21. your welcome....nt see you later
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:05 PM
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13. What you ALL seem to be missing is the most obvious detail...
Watch this video again:
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2hit7/911.wtc.2.plane.no...

Notice anything strange? The jet just sort of "appears" out of thin air. It was a blue sky day, that jet didn't appear out of a cloud bank. It just pops on the screen.

What's going on? Fake video or real video of the hologram?
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:21 PM
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14. I did notice that, but figured it was because
"da plane" was either coming from the distance or there is a sort of frame around the edge which prevents you from seeing it in that space. The plane also sort of "runs into" the Woolworth building in the foreground. Seems like they would do a better job on a fake video , but maybe it is. Ya know there really are a lot of differences in the different plane videos. I'm not going to say "no plane" , I think there is another explanation, like information is being edited out of the videos/photos, including possible anomalies with the plane itself and they end up looking strange.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 09:40 PM
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18. Just for the record, I'm posting a clip pointing out this strange anomaly:
UA 175: Out of thin air. (video clip)
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:05 PM
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20. hmm, it's not working for me
It might be on my end though. I do agree it is strange, though.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 10:58 PM
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22. mirandapriestly, try this Windows Media Player version:
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-19-06 11:28 PM
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23. Got it. Lots of funky stuff
it is aimed toward the Woolworth Bldg, from that point of view, not the WTC. Also a reason for it "suddenly appearing" could be that it was too small to be seen, but that is not likely because it goes from non-existent to the largest size it gets. IOW, it does not gradually increase in size as it gets closer. I wonder if it is a fake, and if so why?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 12:31 AM
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24. This video is edited. Look at the WTC smoke- it flows backward for a sec
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 12:32 AM by Poll_Blind
At 1 second into the video, the smoke of the burning World Trade Center towers appears to flow backward briefly for a moment in a fade edit. Coincidentally, it's the same moment when the plain appears. :P It's really noticeable. Go to full screen mode in your media player if you don't spot it almost immediately.

I think you can do this with Adobe Premier.

PB
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 01:14 AM
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25. good call - I didn't even think to watch the smoke.
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 01:21 AM by file83
But now that I've looked at that closer, they not only edited it, but that first second of video is the same video as when the plane appears. So that means that they manipulated the video to hide the jet during that first second. Kind of a weird thing to do for a documentary, special effects.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 03:36 AM
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26. Oh yeah, good call! That is very noticeable.
So, why would they edit it just as the "plane" footage begins? and the course is does appear to be different, although it is hard to tell when they are shot from different angles.
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 08:40 AM
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27. Yeah ...great observation!
Edited on Thu Apr-20-06 08:41 AM by seatnineb
There are some wierd anomolies in some of the videos....no question....

Here is another wierd video where the reflection of the plane is seen......the question is how is this reflection seen given the angle and placement of the object which shows the reflection?

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 02:27 PM
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30. If that's real I think the reflection is happening inside the camera lense
This is just off the top of my head and I know that's not good enough for this forum to convince anyone but...

If you take some kinds of cameras and have a brightobject at the top of the frame, you will notice a fainter reversed image at the bottom of the viewfield.

PB
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:35 AM
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31. The object that contains the reflection is a windshield...........

....of a car.

But how the reflection of the WTC is caught is beyond me.



The reflected aircraft is a perfect mirror image of the UA175 aircraft above. What is puzzling is that the reflective surface appears to be vertical thus making it impossible to show a reflection of the events taking place above. In order for the reflections aloft to be seen by the video camera the reflective surface would have to be angled at around 35 degrees to 40 degrees from the horizontal plane as demonstrated by the yellow line in the graphic below:

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspace/town/pipexd...
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KJF Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-20-06 11:46 AM
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29. It gets lost against the background of the smoke cloud...
... not in the smoke cloud.
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Radio_Guy Donating Member (875 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:22 AM
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32. Here's another video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Qu6eyyr4c&search=world...

I don't know what to make of it. Just thought I'd throw it out there for discussion.
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