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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 06:18 PM
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The Magic Nose Cone!
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 06:23 PM by killtown



- DoD News Briefing on Pentagon Renovation - Saturday, September 15, 2001

Presenter: Mr. Lee Evey, Pentagon Renovation Manager


Q: "That seems to indicate that it came to rest in ring C, the nose cone."

Evey: "The plane actually penetrated through the ... E ring, D ring, C ring."
"The nose of the plane just barely broke through the inside of the C ring, so it was extending into A-E Drive a little bit. So that's the extent of penetration of the aircraft."




Original graph source: Pentagon Building Performance Report (PDF)



See: Did Flight 77 really crash into the Pentagon? - The odd damage inside



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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 07:14 PM
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1. I'm sure this has been done, but....
I'm just wondering if anyone measured the height of the plane...from engines to top of cabin and the height of the damaged area on the building? ...and if the grass in front of the Pentagon was torn up...how deeply? Do these measurements add up?


Also...wonder if this magic nose cone is any relation to JFK's magic bullet?
Sorry- couldn't resist. :evilgrin:

DR
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 08:27 PM
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2. I don't get the whole tightening of the damage path?
Isn't what ever hit there going to break into pieces and move apart?


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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 08:54 PM
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4. Because the whole story of Flt 77 crashing there is a fraud
nothing there adds up.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:42 PM
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20. Yes, but
This thing would have had an enormous amount of kinetic energy behind it, and that energy wouldn't have disappeared when the plane began to break up. Rmember, you're talking about a quarter million pounds of metal, plastic, ceramic, fuel, and people, all travelling at hundreds of miles an hour at impact. It would have begun to lose integrity immediately on striking the reenforced outer wall, but the pieces would still be traveling in the same direction with the same amount of force. So the reason for the narrowing damage path is that that's where the majority of the kinetic energy was expended. The outer edges of the aircraft would have been ripped away and lost their intertia as it went through the building, but the core would keep going until it no longer had the momentum to punch through.
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:49 PM
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21. Impossible. See post #19
NOTHING traveled through to cause that exit hold.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 02:27 AM
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24. Then the fairies must have done it, I guess.
"Nothing" caused the exit hole? What a brash announcement, based upon a highly dubious reading of the evidence. If you actually reexamined your calculations with an eye toward accuracy, rather than backing up a conclusion you've already drawn out of thin air, you'd notice that those photos you posted don't contradict the angle of the hit. Take a look at the angle the photograph is on. The angle of the cut along the right side of the damage zone is consistent with the angle at which the plane went in. The cut along the left side of the area is straight through, consistent with having had to demolish more of the heavily damaged front sections. Your little lines are a classic example of tin-foil-hattery, trying to create proof where none exists by twisting the evidence.
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kerry_s Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 04:38 AM
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30. Check nist report
and at the end you will find who did this.
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kerry_s Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 04:39 AM
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31. You are right,
Fairies with blue eyes.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 08:41 PM
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3. The nose is made of composite material
and we've seen pictures of what a bird does , but we 're supposed to believe it blasted through concrete walls?
I love the way it veers around the pillars - like magic! Actually, something that is sensor guided or driven by remote might do that.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 09:11 PM
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5. So what else would cause a damage pattern like that?
I am assuming you feel that government created diagram is accurate?
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:04 PM
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6. Why do we need to ask that question?
Edited on Fri Mar-31-06 10:06 PM by libertypirate
It does us no good to speculate about what we cannot know... You know that.

The only real question is this is a normal pattern of damage? This is not a diagram of something coming apart. Something like a whole big ass airplane when it crashes comes apart. No? Unless you have some insight? For an airplane to cause such a pattern of damage it would have to come apart, and become more contained and focused. Youre pretty much not firing on all pistons if you can manage to believe when things come apart they dont move apart as well.

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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:27 AM
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8. So the evidence is sufficient to prove it was not a 757 ..
Edited on Sat Apr-01-06 06:28 AM by hack89
but not not good enough to prove what actually caused the damage? How convenient for you.

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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 01:48 PM
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10. Perhaps this caused it
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 05:22 PM
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11. Perhaps - all you need to do is prove it. nt
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:23 PM
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18. perhaps all you need to do is prove your official story
that says the nose cone did it!
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Kesha Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 08:17 AM
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14. ...in my opinion
...this ain`t an "exit hole", but an "entry hole",
made by the rescue workers.


Kesha
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 12:51 AM
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22. Welcome to du...
People don't break symmetrical holes through brick and concrete walls.
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-31-06 10:16 PM
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7. Is it?
Maybe the gov't fabbed that graphic too?
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:28 AM
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9. Then your OP is incorrect too? nt
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 04:51 PM
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26. ;o)
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 05:51 PM
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12. this is from a journeyman aircraft mechanic at Boeing regarding
flight 77....


I am a retired lead journeyman aircraft mechanic, Boeing Aircraft.

11 years on the 757 line, 5 years on the 747 line, a few months on the 767 line and the remainder as a modification mechanic on what ever airplane was being modified. KC 135 tanker, 707, 727 and 747 Civilian Reserve Air Force (CRAF) jets.

There is NO 757 wreckage at the Pentagon in the photos. None, zip, zero, zilch, nada. NO 757 vertical fin (tail) stabilizers (back wings) no wings or engines. NONE. NO WRECKAGE AT ALL.

The jet engine compressor recovered from Tower One is NOT a 767 engine compressor. It is too small.

Tower Two was hit by a 767-200 Jet Airliner. These airplanes can be controlled by radio from the ground with NO difficulty. ANY AIRPLANE CAN BE CONTROLLED FROM THE GROUND BY RADIO SIGNALS.

The listed email is valid:

vp_oilslickdick@yahoo.com
Oil Slick Dick | Homepage | 03.30.06 - 11:38 pm | #

from ICH.com
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-01-06 06:35 PM
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13. the hole was from a wee bomb placed in the wall
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 08:40 AM
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kerry_s Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:26 PM
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17. Why they are deleting all posts about Pentagon demolition???!!!
Just check in Pentagon Building Performance Report (PDF) WHO 'destroyed' all C-ring W2 pillars (3L, 1M, 3M, 5M, 1N, 3N, 5M all North) close to the famous "EXIT HOLE"...

Just check it and THEN delete my posts, ...
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kerry_s Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 02:10 AM
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23. edit: 'damaged' not 'destroyed'
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kerry_s Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 08:56 AM
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16. "they've punched a hole in here."
Pictures of second hole



compared to first:



If we have exit hole in C-Ring where is entry hole????

And citation from DoD News Briefing on Pentagon Renovation
September 15, 2001:
"This pile here is all Pentagon metal. None of that is aircraft whatsoever. As you can see, they've punched a hole in here. This was punched by the rescue workers to clean it out. You can see this is the -- some of the unrenovated areas where the windows have blown out. That's soldiers from the Third U.S. Infantry, the Honor Guard, are in there. And this is the conditions they have to work in. There's the Tyvek suits, the respirators, goggles, and helmets, and they also have boots on them as well".

http://pentagon.batcave.net/hole.html
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:26 PM
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19. Whatever hit the Pentagon DID NOT cause that exit hole
So since the plane (or any other aircraft for that matter) had to pierce through the 1st story only, do you see any evidence that the nose/fuselage entered through the 1st story of Ring D on it's way to punch out the hole in Ring C?


Red lines = impact hole. Yellow line = plane trajectory. (Photo source: Smithsonian)


Close up magnified 200%.


http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/inside.html

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kerry_s Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 04:15 AM
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28. This photo is simply confusing
...because it was made after demolition, and the 1st floor is full of rubble. D-Ring pillars had heavy damage, so there was an explosions made by sth (I believe in some kind of bomb-plane cause pentalawn was full of confetti and small metal parts.

And "square holes" weren't "evacuation ways" because simply there weren't any doors. Three holes were made, two for engines and one for the plane... or simply for cleaning purposes...
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kerry_s Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 04:22 AM
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29. The better argument
is that in D ring there is not any substantial damage to pillars, except N5-North close to the hole
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:09 PM
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kerry_s Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 03:53 AM
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27. Censorship on DU...
Could anyone explain why the posts regarding to Wedge 2 pilars demolition and other holes in pentagon have been constantly removed?

Just go to official Pentagon Building Performance Report (PDF) (link in Killtown's main art) and find yourself:
- in which areas second story is damaged (far away from "punch out" hole)
- how are described pillars from wedge 2 north (appendix 2 or 3, at the end of the report).
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