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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 07:30 AM
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Actor Charlie Sheen Questions Official 9/11 Story
Calls for truly independent investigation, joins growing ranks of prominent credible whistleblowers

Alex Jones & Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | March 20 2006

Actor Charlie Sheen has joined a growing army of other highly credible public figures in questioning the official story of 9/11 and calling for a new independent investigation of the attack and the circumstances surrounding it.

Over the past two years, scores of highly regarded individuals have gone public to express their serious doubts about 9/11. These include former presidential advisor and CIA analyst Ray McGovern, the father of Reaganomics and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Paul Craig Roberts, BYU physics Professor Steven Jones, former German defense minister Andreas von Buelow, former MI5 officer David Shayler, former Blair cabinet member Michael Meacher, former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds and many more.

Speaking to The Alex Jones Show on the GCN Radio Network, the star of current hit comedy show Two and a Half Men and dozens of movies including Platoon and Young Guns, Sheen elaborated on why he had problems believing the government's version of events.

Sheen agreed that the biggest conspiracy theory was put out by the government itself and prefaced his argument by quoting Theodore Roosevelt in stating, "That we are to stand by the President right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

"We're not the conspiracy theorists on this particular issue," said Sheen.

"It seems to me like 19 amateurs with box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75% of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of questions."

Sheen described the climate of acceptance for serious discussion about 9/11 as being far more fertile than it was a couple of years ago.

more.....http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/200306charliesheen.htm
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 08:38 AM
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1. This is what I have been saying all along
"It seems to me like 19 amateurs with box cutters taking over four commercial airliners and hitting 75% of their targets, that feels like a conspiracy theory. It raises a lot of questions."
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:54 AM
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2. Actors are considered highly credible now? n/t
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 12:11 PM
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3. Right, I don't think he qualifies as a whistleblower either. nt
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 12:22 PM
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4. I wonder what Denise Richards thinks about September 11? ( n/t )
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:17 PM
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22. That's so funny, that was what I thought..
I tried to imagine them talking about it and speculating on the facts...couldn't do it.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 09:50 AM
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24. "irreconcilable differences"
Perhaps their disagreement on this issue (or inability to discuss it) is what she was referring to she when claimed "irreconcilable differences" and it is what ultimately led to their break-up. Tragic....

:) Make7
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 11:49 PM
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33. More tragedy caused by 9-11! :) nt
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 12:45 PM
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5. They are at least as credible as those who post on a message board.
so just what makes him less credible than a lot of others who are asking quesions??

At least he has the meida paying attention to him.

what is wrong with asking questions and expressing an opinion?
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 12:56 PM
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6. Nothing is wrong with either
It'd be nice though if people were a little less prone to conspiracist explanations and more open to other methods of inquiry that tend to be more useful, such as systemic or institutional analysis. But that might challenge some conspiracists' preconceptions. It would also be useful if those who see conspiracy everywhere would question the origins of their own conspiracy theories and ask themselves every now and then questions like, "Does holocaust denier David Irving have an agenda?"
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Harald Ragnarsson Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 01:24 PM
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7. Is not the Ballad of 911
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 01:24 PM by Harald Ragnarsson
a Conspiracy Theory?

It was the last time I checked.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 01:41 PM
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8. So, when you question something, that is an "agenda"...
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 01:59 PM by Desertrose
"Does holocaust denier David Irving have an agenda?"

But when others connect the dots differently....they are "conspiracy theorists"- CTs.
OK, I get it now.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe not everything is about denying the holocaust ...that there are some real unanswered questions that concern MANY people about 9-11 and if you can only link these questions to RW sites, you might want to adjust your blinders a bit.

You don't think anyone uses "other methods of inquiry that tend to be more useful, such as systemic or institutional analysis" to dig deeper into all the 9-11 events? REALLY?

Do you honestly think this administration wouldn't or couldn't pull off something this big? I've learned over the years....never underestimate the power of greed.
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Harald Ragnarsson Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 01:53 PM
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9.  systemic or institutional analysis
You know, like the 911 Commission. What a laugh.

Institutional Analysis = Anyone that believes that horse hockey should be institutionalized!
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 02:01 PM
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10. No, I don't think it's reasonable to assume...
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 02:21 PM by salvorhardin
...that the government could pull off something this big. As Taxloss has pointed out, the very scale of the operation in terms of time and manpower makes it unlikely if you want to keep it a secret. And as both myself and others have pointed out, these conspiracy theories all have their origins in profoundly antisemitic or neonazi websites. Again, let me ask you, do you feel comfortable supporting something that originates with someone like David Irving? A man who has been shown repeatedly to lie, fabricate, distort and misrepresent historical fact in his efforts to show that the holocaust never happened? You automatically assume everything Bush says is a lie or distortion or figment of his imagination. That's a good assumption because it's based on Bush's past behavior. Why would you not assume the same of David Irving? As a progressive liberal, doesn't it just gall you repeating words from a man like this? Or how about Mike Rivero, the Freeper who started WhatReallyHappened and originated the claims that the Clintons murdered Vince Foster? Do you think he shares your same goals and objectives? Do you feel comfortable accepting what somebody like that might say? Do you value the opinion of holocaust deniers, neonazis, and freepers over the opinion of somebody like Esther Kaplan of Jews for Racial and Economic Justice or investigative journalist David Neiwert?

http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v16n2/AntisemitismAfter.html
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2004/01/conspiracies-and-conspiracy-theories.html

All I'm saying Desertrose is that suspicion of authority is a good thing, but you must be equally suspicious of all authority and not just that which supports your own currently held beliefs.

On edit: I incorrectly stated Esther Kaplan's affiliation with the SPL. I corrected it above.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 04:34 PM
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16. Your post makes unjustified assumptions
If the 9/11 attacks were too big to keep secret, how did the al Qaeda hijackers keep them secret?

How many would it really take? Somebody to tell al Qaeda when the war games would disrupt the air defense; Cheney, Myers, Rummy, and Condi to do nothing; Frasca and a couple more FBI guys to obstruct
investigations. That's it. Maybe a crew to demolish the WTC, and that could have been al Qaeda.

The rest of your post is just an ad hominem which you paper over as "being equally suspicious of all authority."
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 08:09 PM
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20. OBL could...but our government couldn't?
"No, I don't think it's reasonable to assume that the government could pull off something this big."

So, is OBL and the Al Qaeda bigger, more powerful, more capable than our government? If so, maybe we should surrender now.

One could argue, as a pro-Semite, that the Sauds were partners in this. Afterall, all 15 of 19 alledged hi-jackers were from Saudi Arabia. How did we deal with this fact? We exited Saudi bases, took out their secular enemy neigbor Saddam, and have kept the Iraqi oil off the market, making the Saudi product even more valuable. The House of Saud even gets James Baker to spearhead their legal fight against a billion dollar civil law suit filed by the families of 9/11 victims.

I don't pretend to know the who, what, or why of 9/11. I do believe the Bush choreographed 9/11 Commission was a complete whitewash and we don't know the root answers to those fundemental questions.

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Harald Ragnarsson Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 10:59 AM
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26. If you think Bush Co had a hand in 911
then you are an anti-semite. Because all these conspiracy sites have their origin in profoundly anti-semitic or neonazi websites.

There it is in black and white.

It's a good thing for you you live in the USA instead of the UK where you could be sued for your libelous, slanderous propaganda.

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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 03:25 PM
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29. What's that all about?
Edited on Wed Mar-22-06 03:27 PM by marekjed
You're making a serious allegation, so you'd better be prepared to list all these sites, one by one, along with proof of their "origin". But here's an easier one: is David Ray Griffin an anti-semite? Do you know? Is Michael Ruppert an anti-semite? Any evidence, please? is Cynthia McKinney an anti-semite?

And one perhaps less easy, but let me try nonetheless: why do you care more WHO says something than whether that they say is true? Take Saddam, no kind soul he, but he would have a lot of interesting things to say about cozying up with previous US administrations. Will you shut your ears to that only because it takes Saddam to say it? (If he is ever allowed to, which is of course unlikely.)

Edit: it's true that the official version of 9/11 is questioned by a some radical people on the right as well as on the left. It's also questions by people who do not appear radical either way at all. And you know what? It only gives credence to the whole movement.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-24-06 07:02 PM
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36. Bollox.
99% of the material I've read makes no mention of Israel or Jews being involved so your anti-semitic accusation is incorrect.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 03:39 PM
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34. What a joke. Did they pull off the Manhattan Project?
Are they still mining asbestos and putting it into household products?

How long did it take before cigarette companies came clean?

How long did it take to confirm Operation Northwoods or MK Ultra or Agent Orange, etc, etc, etc?

And when WILL all those sealed files on the Kennedy assassinations finally be opened?
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 02:04 PM
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11. So then it is your contention
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 02:16 PM by slaveplanet
That Jones getting on the radio in July of 2001, Telling every one to call the white house and congress, Tell them you know about their plan to attack the trade towers and blame it on Bin Laden, was all indeed the result of systemic and institutional analysis?

or just preemptive agenda?
we're all desperatly awaiting your reasoning if you abide by the latter.

And what were you doing to warn the people BEFORE 9/11?
proof only, any tapes, any web pages, books ,investigative research, anything??? come on, put it up..let's see it
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 02:15 PM
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12. It's a pretty good guess
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 02:18 PM by salvorhardin
If it's true. Do we have an unedited source for a recording of this broadcast that isn't affiliated with Jones? You throw out enough shit and eventually some of it sticks. Even if it were true, what does it mean? If the government was really able to pull off a conspiracy this large and keep it secret from the world then how would Jones have known? I see a contradiction here. If Jones knew, then the government couldn't keep it secret which means they couldn't have pulled it off. Where did Jones get his information from? Where did Jones sources get their information from? If they had solid evidence of this being planned, then why didn't they contact more mainstream reporters? If not the NY Times or one of the large papers, then why not the credible independents like The Nation, or the Village Voice, or Salon or even Indymedia? There's so many people who would be sympathetic to such information who could really get it out to a mass audience. Why an obscure conspiracist? You see, the story falls apart in so many ways.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 02:23 PM
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13. He got it from systemic and institutional evidence
Edited on Tue Mar-21-06 02:30 PM by slaveplanet
mostly gleened from policy papers, the tone of newscasts prior to 9/11, and some inside sources... at least that is his explaination.

He did contact many media outlets. It's not his fault if they choose to ignor


The shows are archived, it's not even up for debate...He put the warning out nearly everyday for 2 months.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 02:39 PM
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14. So, no factual evidence?
He just read publicly available policy papers, got an icky feeling from the tone of newscasts and mysterious "inside" sources. Inside where? What agency? Or was it a company? Or was it a foreign government? How were they in a position to know? Why are these sources credible? And, again, why Jones? Why wouldn't they go to media more apt to get the message out? Why didn't they themselves release the information onto the internet? In short, he made it up in his head and happened to get lucky.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 02:45 PM
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15. again not his fault
ABC has put him on before... they've avoided him like the plague since he snuck into Bohemian Grove. Same as every other corporate outlet.

why are the sourses credible?...Gee, I dunno , maybe because he had the person, place, and timing correct?
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 09:59 PM
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35. for the record
CNN 3/23/06 showbiz tonight

HAMMER: As I mentioned the radio host who interviewed Sheen is Alex Jones of the Genesis Communications Network. Alex joins me live from Austin, Texas, to talk about Sheen`s riveting comments.


Alex, as I mentioned, the response that we got from doing this story last night absolutely shocking. So I want to know how it actually all came about. How did the interview with Charlie Sheen actually happen? Did you guys reach out to him? Did he call you? What was the deal?

ALEX JONES, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Well, just to make something clear, Mr. Sheen has amazing courage to do what he`s done. And he contacted me. He`s been watching my documentaries for years. He`s one of the most informed people that I`ve talked to in Hollywood on this subject.

Listen, for years Hollywood`s been on fire with people knowing the truth about 9/11. And I was the first to expose 9/11 on the day. In fact two months before I had intel that elements of the military industrial complex were going to carry out the attack. I said they`ll use bin Laden, the known CIS. That is their patsy to take the blame for attacking the towers.

So Mr. Sheen is only exceptional in that he has courage in going public. Courage that no one else in Hollywood had.



keep calling it a good guess if it makes you feel more secure.

The rest of us KNOW...only truth brings security
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jmb597 Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 04:52 PM
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30. Seems...
as though that anyone who questions 9/11 is not credible accoring to you guys. For that reason, the administration looks more guilty. So fight all you want, but you are only making this easier to believe.
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 06:10 PM
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18. Actors are considered highly credible now?
It's about drawing attention to the issue.

That's what makes it great.

A lot of liberals will take a second look.

Or a first!



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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 07:20 PM
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19. The neocons nuked Manhattan.
Deal with it.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 09:11 PM
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21. Uh huh.
These would be those radiationless nuclear devices whose destruction is able to be contained in a very small radius that we hear about so often.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 11:20 PM
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23. We've come a long way in 60 years.
How many billions have we spent annually to develop tactical nuclear weapons since Hiroshima? There's an entire network of labs strung across California and New Mexico (Lawrence-Livermore) devoted to nothing else.

And who said they were radiationless?
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 11:25 AM
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27. And who said they were radiationless?
Great point!

It's not like the criminals behind it would tell us if it was!

Plus knowing Karl Rove, if the poo were to hit the fan about 911(which it appears it is), I'm sure he'll come up with a new story and blame it all on Iran. It'll include "new found evidence" that a couple of mini nukes were used.



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Loose Nuke Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-21-06 05:50 PM
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17. The burden of proof is on the CTers now
That is, the burden is on those who still cling to the official story, to prove their ludicrous notion that the Al Qaeda idiots, members of a CIA created conceptual group, pulled off 9/11 all by themselves, and the hundreds of ignored warnings, the VISA violations, training at US bases, obstructed investigations before and after, Bush-CIA-ISI-Bin Laden connections, simultaneous wargames, etc. were just incredible coincidences, and the kind of incompetence that normally results in coverups, promotions and budget increases, as they did after 9/11.

Not cuz Charlie Sheen is questioning it, but cuz everyone with a brain, eyes and a heart is questioning it. There is plenty of historical precedent for US sponsored terror- Kennedys, King, the entire third world, Gulf of Tonkin, the Maine, Operation Northwoods, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, the Maine, etc.
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myzenthing Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 08:40 PM
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31. I agree, but...
....the "official story" types are still clinging to the fable and calling anyone who dares question the official story "conspiracy theorists".

To give an example, I just had an exchange with a Freeper on a conservative blog. I calmly pointed out the various problems with the official explanation with regards to the WTC collapse. They pointed me to NIST and Popular Mechanics. I then briefly pointed out the problems with those sources, and the other person simply stopped responding.

Make no mistake: I think we are making progress. I just think it will take more time...
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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 10:29 AM
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25. Tabloid show mention.
I was at the gym, so I didn't catch everything, but this got about a minute of coverage on one of the tabloid shows. I think it was Access Hollywood.
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 11:29 AM
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28. If there's nothing wrong........
why the continued silence?

It's been over a day since Charlie came out about it. Where's our so called liberal media?

If Charlie were to take a piss behind a tree the press would normally be all over it!

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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 11:13 PM
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32. Being bright isn't for everyone I guess...
My memory recalls the news media was anthraxed by spores originating from a Maryland Military lab. A story that went quiet so quickly once the FBI had established such a fact. So who gets Anthrax out of a US Military Bio-Hazard facility? The answer, some one with access.

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