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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 05:13 AM
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Data recovery from WTC
excuse me, what result brought the FBI investigation of the recovered data storage of the WTC buildings?

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GERMAN computer experts are working round the clock to unlock the truth behind an unexplained surge in financial transactions made just before two hijacked planes crashed into the New York World Trade Centre on September 11.

Were criminals responsible for the sharp rise in credit card transactions that moved through some computer systems at the WTC shortly before the planes hit the twin towers?

Or was it coincidence that unusually large sums of money, perhaps more than $100 million, were rushed through the computers as the disaster unfolded?

A world leader in retrieving data, German-based firm Convar is trying to answer those questions and help credit card companies, telecommunications firms and accountants in New York recover their records from computer hard drives that have been partially damaged by fire, water or fine dust.

Using a pioneering laser scanning technology to find data on damaged computer hard drives and main frames found in the rubble of the World Trade Centre and other nearby collapsed buildings, Convar has recovered information from 32 computers that support assumptions of dirty doomsday dealings.

"The suspicion is that inside information about the attack was used to send financial transaction commands and authorizations in the belief that amid all the chaos the criminals would have, at the very least, a good head start," said Convar director Peter Henschel.


( some videos about Convar on german TV: http://www.datenretter.de/videos.htm )

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Now, has anybody actual information about this investigation?
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 03:31 PM
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1. I have seen assertions that Convar was bought by Kroll Corp in 6/02
Kroll is alleged to be connected to the US security apparatus.

This is probably what I read:

http://www.911citizenswatch.org/modules.php?op=modload&...

I haven't investigated it myself.
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-27-05 06:54 PM
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2. OK, let's summarize that
http://propagandamatrix.com/german_firm_probes_final_wo...

There were some allegations that credit card fraud happened in the hours prior to the attack and implosion of the WTC.


German company Convar recovered the data and handed it over to the FBI.

Instead of a FBI investigation, the next thing we heard was that Kroll Inc. http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/KROLL.htm
acquires Convar.

And then MMC http://www.mmc.com /
acquires Kroll.

Just another bizarre coincidence, that MMC was tenant in the WTC?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/12/19/usatcov-...
http://memorial.mmc.com /

AND

several employees were indicted...


http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/MarshBirds.htm


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AND last but not least:

Jerome Hauer, then Managing Director of Kroll Inc., organised a security job for ex-FBI anti-terror chief John O'Neill in the Twin Towers, where he died on Sep 11th....

Just remember O'Neill:

"Under the influence of U.S. oil companies, the government of George W. Bush initially blocked U.S. secret service investigations on terrorism"

John O'Neill

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/ONeill.h...


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If this was a script for a movie, no one would believe it.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 08:32 PM
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3. Wow. I did not know this.
Edited on Thu Dec-29-05 08:34 PM by rumpel
Quite intriguing. Massive looting, by whom and for what? The WWII gold, the stock trade and now credit card....
The whole 9/11 experience is so bizarre, to the point that it just can not have been conceived and executed from a cave or tent in Afghanistan, even with long range planning of some rogue terrorists operating underground and dispersed all over the globe.

Is there a hidden ultimate motive we are all missing? Not the muslim extremists or even the new Pearl Harbor motive?

But I do not see the connection of oil to the money.

on edit: except greed and power (because I can theory)
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Christophera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 09:42 PM
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4. Good Post. Threshold Of Certainty And Adequate Detail Form Picture
The blocking of investigations of Saudis protects US connections to 9-11, an event used (in one way), to make good the threat, if the pipeline was not accepted.

Is that the one liner summary?
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 02:29 AM
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5. 100 ml being pennies to these people, the credit card charges and the
complicity of the "security/insurance" company is a diversion?

Is this the "cost" of doing business for Enron and friends?

from the link and site in the original post of Sitting Bull:

"The CPC project also advances my Administrations National Energy Policy by developing a network of multiple Caspian pipelines ....... These projects will help diversify U.S. energy supply and enhance our energy security, while supporting global economic growth."
George Bush, White House Press Release, 28 Nov 2001
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/2001112...

this shows cold blooded calculation to me, only 2 months after 9/11
It looks more and more evident of a global corporate/government tug of war over energy resources, and it's profit dominance at whatever cost with whatever means.
I feel dirty having to drive a car, having to rely on gas to heat, I feel complicit in the murder of so many people around the globe...
If this theory pans out, question is who is Bin Laden working for?
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 04:34 AM
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6. Agreed
And, all this back-and-forth debate about issues such as building detonation vs. building collapse helps to obscure what I see as the main issue here. "Who stood to gain the most"?

In my mind, certainly not Bin Laden, whoever he works for.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-31-05 05:56 AM
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7. LIHOP suspect #1: Jerry Hauer
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0208/S00068.htm

Is Hauer LIHOP suspect No.1?

He started to work for the NIH under Tommy Thompson on September 10, 2001 as an adviser on national security. On September 11th, he told the White House to take Cipro, the antibiotic that works against the anthrax virus, without bothering to reveal his warning to the American nation.

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/living/health/302050...

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This might have something to do with the FBI HQ (O'Neill complained about them), but also with Jerome Hauer - who is a friend of the current prime anthrax suspect, Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA. Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received also a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001.

http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html - (Hauer)
http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/455218p-3643441c... - (Hatfill)

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In 1998, he started working at the OEM (Office for Emergency Management) in New York. In the same year, Hauer and anthrax suspect Hatfill both supported the CFR as experts in their respective fields. The CFR is an acronym for Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most important think-tanks advising the US government, as well as many other governments abroad. CFR members include the Pentagon's top advisers, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief James Woolsey, biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg, and many others. On May 28, 1998, Hatfill and Hauer spoke together at the same CFR meeting about "Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge."
http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?meet!102

Hauer seems to specialize in the art of holding down several different jobs at the same time. While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at Kroll Associates - the official security and bodyguard company for all American presidents since World War II!

...

Hauer's deep connection to disinformation circles for his own purpose are well known. In 1998, he convinced New York Mayor Rudi Guilliani to develop a vaccine against the West Nile virus - almost one year before this virus broke out in New York. To this end, Hauer introduced Col. Thomas Monath of Oravax (now Accambis) to Guliani and organised a business deal. Hauer also continued giving bioterror lectures and writing terror scenario scripts. He organized a July 26, 1999, conference in New York for journalists and "thought leaders," on bioterrorism and "Reporting on Weapons of Mass Destruction - Responsibility, Reliability, Readiness." At the same time, he was heading the West Nile spray operation in NYC. Bioterrorism and vaccines - a perfect payroll combination for Hauer?

...

The Red Cross and the OEM under Jerome Hauer worked very closely together. Hauer's connections and insider information seem to be endless! He also helped with the construction of the New York OEM headquarters known as "the bunker," on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center.

http://www.politicsny.com/reports/february02/2-14-02-sh...
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