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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 06:36 PM
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What Does Representative John Murtha Know About 9/11?
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 07:08 PM by spooked911
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/yesterday/s_90399.html

"MURTHA REMEMBERS

As the ill-fated Flight 93 passed over his district before going down, U.S. Rep. John C. Murtha watched the New York attacks on television.

The Cambria County Democrat was in a meeting with House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt of Missouri in Room 210 of the Capitol when the first two hijacked jetliners slammed into the World Trade Center. They had the TV on as they were conducting business.

"We recognized immediately it was not an accident," Murtha said, but added that he kept working and went on to another subcommittee meeting for a defense bill. A few minutes later, he got a call from a Defense Department employee who said a bomb had gone off in the Pentagon.

(snip)

As he has done repeatedly, Murtha insisted that the plane crashed during the struggle and was not sacrificed by a military order to bring it down.

(snip)

Murtha, who flew to the crash site in a Blackhawk military helicopter, said his impression was that the hijacked jetliner disintegrated upon impact, with the tail collapsing into the front. Considering that debris was found miles away, he believes the plane started to come apart during the struggle on board. "


SOMEBODY TOLD HIM A BOMB WENT OFF AT THE PENTAGON?

WHY WOULD FLIGHT 93 BREAK UP IN THE AIR DURING THE STRUGGLE?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:43 PM
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1. Murtha pushing the hero story already on 9/12
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 09:45 PM by stickdog
How did he know DC was the target?

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/957912/detail.html

"It sure wasn't going to go down in rural Pennsylvania," U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., said Wednesday. "The target was Washington, D.C. Somebody made a heroic effort to keep the plane from hitting a populated area.

"I would conclude there was a struggle and a heroic individual decided 'I'm going to die anyway. I might as well bring the plane down here.'"

...

Witnesses reported seeing military aircraft in the air just after the crash, and there were rumors that Flight 93 was shot down. Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld said that was not the case, according to Murtha.

And on 9/13: http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/flight93/flight-93-headed-towards-johnstown-airport.txt

Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha, the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee, said Wednesday at the crash site near Shanksville, Pa., he believes a struggle took place in the cockpit and the plane was headed for a significant target in Washington. "There had to have been a struggle, and someone heroically kept the plane from heading to Washington," Murtha said.

Whoever was ultimately in control of the plane, Flight 93 made a number of odd maneuvers in midair before it finally plunged to Earth. "Halfway through its trip, around Weston, W.Va., it took some sharp turns, all within about two or three minutes," said Jeff Krawczyk, chief executive of Flight Explorer, a software firm that uses Federal Aviation Administration data to track flights.

"It was going west, then took a turn to the north, and then went west again," Krawczyk said. Then the plane headed toward Kentucky and took a sharp turn south toward Washington, and around that time the FAA center in Cleveland lost contact with the flight, apparently because someone aboard had turned off its transponder, he said.

Brad Clemenson, a spokesman for Murtha, said the doomed aircraft apparently made at least two other sharp turns during its last minutes -- swerves that are detectable in Flight Explorer's computerized reconstruction of the jet's path.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:47 PM
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2. More Murtha from 9/12
http://www.flight93crash.com/whole_engine.txt

The discovery of the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorders are
critical to determining the cause of the crash, according to U.S. Rep. John
Murtha, a Johnstown Democrat, who visited the scene Wednesday morning.

Murtha said he was told that conversations overheard by air traffic controllers
at the Cleveland FAA center revealed that there was a struggle going on inside
the cockpit, perhaps between members of the flight crew and the hijackers armed
with plastic knives and boxcutters.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:08 PM
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3. Murtha warns that black boxes might be damaged.
Um, this is interesting speculation considering that outdoor crash in history ever destroyed its black boxes.

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010914blackbox0914p3.asp

Following a tour of the crash site Wednesday, investigators and U.S. Rep. John Murtha, D-Johnstown, noted that one or both of the boxes might have been crushed by the impact of the crash or incinerated by the jet fuel-fed inferno it ignited.

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:16 PM
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4. More weird Murtha comments - 9/12 - predicts anthrax attack.
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912somersetp3.asp

But he said after they visited the scene today, the investigators held out little hope of finding the cockpit voice recorder or the black box that holds the electronic flight data.

"It's just that the debris is destroyed so significantly. The fuel burned at what was such a hot temperature."

As investigators searched the grassy field and adjoining woods of the reclaimed coal mine turned crime scene, Murtha offered this grim prediction: "It's going to happen again -- there's no question about it."

He predicted that the next such terrorist act might not involve hijackings, but a strike involving chemical or biological weapons.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:20 PM
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5. The mother lode on Murtha
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:21 PM
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7. Thanks for all theses infos on Murtha
:toast:
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 12:12 PM
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6. If Murtha thinks the plane was not shot down, then how does he think
it was spewing debris? What caused it to crack open?

Also, I find it curious that he got a call saying the Pentagon was struck by a bomb. Why would he get this this call? How many people thought the Pentagon hit was a bomb?
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 02:23 PM
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8. Good finding and important questions
Ok the strange coincidence that one airport that appears quite suspicious on 911, Johnstown Airport, was named after Murtha is one thing. But he has many suspicious connections surrounding 911. I'll come up with more on him soon.
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:22 PM
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11. Let's have a closer look at Johnstown Airport!
The airport only 15 miles away from UA 93's crash site.
For better understanding I'll kick two threads. Especially important stickdog's posts on Johnstown Aiport. Not only does this airport have the name of Murtha you'll find more connections to this highly dubious guy.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:13 PM
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10. What do people think might be his motivation for spreading disinformation
or making statements that he has no support for?
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 08:06 PM
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9. Very interesting...
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 08:10 PM by Independent_Liberal
Murtha is my Representative. Thanks for all this info. It is very helpful.
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