David Ray Griffin

[HysteryDiagnosis]

Download, listen, burn, disperse amongst the still thinking.

http://piratevideo.tv/MP3/DavidRayGriffin_050418_56K.mp3

[dbeach]

1. Thanx..What a hero!!!

I want to ask...how many still believe 19 Arabs did 9/11???

Griffith will enlighten many BUT denial is more than a river in Egypt..

My VN Vet pals are dying from Agent Orange and the govt. stil won't admit that dioxins kill..Govt lies..

"War is a racket"..

Gen. Smedley Butler

[G_j]

2. truth is NOT their business

February 28, 1997

Military Lost Logs on Chemical Use in Gulf War, Pentagon Says

By PHILIP SHENON
WASHINGTON --

<snip>
In a new report on the missing logs, the Defense Department said its investigators had conducted an exhaustive search and had been able to track down only 36 pages of the estimated 200 pages of classified logs that were supposed to record any incident in which chemical or biological weapons were detected on the battlefield.

<snip>
The committee's ranking Democrat, Sen. John Rockefeller IV of West Virginia, said that "if the Pentagon had a shred of credibility left on the Persian Gulf war illness issue, the American people would be willing to stretch their imaginations enough to believe this latest tale -- sadly, the Pentagon has squandered the trust of the American people."

The gaps in the logs include the period from March 4 through March 10, 1991, when U.S. troops blew up an Iraqi ammunition depot that is now thought to have contained tons of nerve gas and other chemical weapons.

The 36 pages, which had previously been made public, demonstrate in meticulous detail how U.S. commanders received and disregarded several reports of chemical detections during the war.
..more..

http://www.turnerhome.org/jct/Clips/0228-nyt.htm


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Washington - Persian Gulf war veterans told a House subcommittee yesterday that they had been exposed to Iraqi chemical agents during Operation Desert Storm and criticized the Pentagon for denying their complaints.

"The Pentagon knew from Day One that chemical weapons were used," said Marine Corps Maj. Randy Herbert. "They have a reason to cover the truth. They have done so in the past with World War II and also with Agent Orange in Vietnam. They don't want to be held responsible for all the people who are now sick and the ones who have already died."

Herbert's words, difficult to understand because he has Lou Gehrig's disease, were relayed by his wife, Kim, and father, Lloyd, to the House Subcommittee on Human Resources and Intergovernmental Relations. He blames the disease, a nerve disorder, on low-level chemical exposure. ...

Earlier yesterday, the head of U.S. operations in the 1991 war, Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, repeated on NBC's "Today" that there is no evidence the Iraqis used chemical weapons and emphasized that "there was no cover-up on the part of the military." ...

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http://www.webcom.com/~lpease/collections/denied/gulfwar.htm

[dbeach]

5. Depleted Uranium{DU} is a crime against humanity..

I wonder what wall st. firms have profited from DU???

Not to mention the anthrax vaccine..and other vaccines that are killing the troops..

I think the only real enemies are China and Russia
I visited Morocco in 73 and found them to be so polite and friendly and very eager to know about the USA...

I refuse to believe the govt story about almost everything..especially 9/11

Did you hear about David Ray Griffith today ..He directly blamed bush and cheney for 9/11??

[hiley]

18. Did not believe the government since the day of Sept.11,2001

http://www.911truth.org/index.php

PETITION OF SOLIDARITY
"Justice for 9/11"
endorses the
Unanswered Questions
initiative of the
Family Steering Committee
for the Independent
9/11 Commission
.

with New York legislators, first responders, victim families, and millions of NY citizens calling for a new investigation of unsolved 9/11 crimes, and the full prosecution of those found responsible.

In memory and on behalf of:

the more than 2800 murdered in New York on September 11, 2001, including 343 firefighters and 75 police officers;
the hundreds of thousands of residents and workers variously harmed by the assault;
the equivalent numbers suffering dire health effects from attack-related pollution;
snip----http://justicefor911.org/

[hiley]

14. great links

very appreciated and i will post it on blogs.....:mad:

[paineinthearse]

3. This man deserves a "backbone" award

Help draft a nomination and we can submit it collectivly.

[i miss america]

21. So do you and everyone else here who has tried to spread the word

about Griffin's work and the true story behind 9/11

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[phish420]

6. Video location here

http://www.truthstream.org

I have it playing about every 3 or 4 videos on the live stream and will have it up for download by tomorrow.

[G_j]

8. neat!

thanks :-)

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[understandinglife]

9. Thank you! (nt)

www.missionnotaccomplished.us (May 2 2005 - The.Day.WE.THE.PEOPLE.BEGIN...........)

[hiley]

45. On Saturday, May 7 at 2:30 pm C-span will run show again !

The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions
David Ray Griffin
Description: David Ray Griffin takes a critical look at the official 9/11 Commission Report. Professor Griffin argues that "omissions and distortions" in the report amount to a cover-up by government officials and says that the available evidence suggests that the Bush administration was complicit in the 9/11 attacks.
snip---http://www.booktv.org/General/index.asp?segID=5677&schedID=362

[bear425]

10. Thanks for posting! I missed it today, but will watch tomorrow!

Let's hope that many people were watching and are now clued in to what we already know.

[warrior1]

11. Saw it earlier

It was good, but it made me think too much. I even cried with my next door neighbor.

[hiley]

12. thanks so much

:hi:

[seemslikeadream]

13. Gen William C. Westmoreland

"Vietnam was the first war ever fought without any censorship. Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind."

[Beam Me Up]

15. "Knowledge Brings Responsibility":

...knowledge brings responsibility. If we acknowledge that an inner circle of ruling elites controls the world's most powerful military and intelligence system; controls the international banking system; controls the most effective and far-reaching propaganda network in history; controls all three branches of government in the world's only superpower; and controls the technology that counts the people's votes, we might be then forced to conclude that we don't live in a particularly democratic system. And then voting and making contributions and trying to stay informed wouldn't be enough. Because then the duty of citizenship would go beyond serving as a loyal opposition, to serving as a "loyal resistance"—like the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War, except that in this case the resistance to fascism would be on the side of the national ideals, rather than the government; and a violent insurgency would not only play into the empire's hands, it would be doomed from the start.

Forming a nonviolent resistance movement, on the other hand, might mean forsaking some middle class comfort, and it would doubtless require a lot of work. It would mean educating ourselves and others about the nature of the truly apocalyptic beast we face. It would mean organizing at the most basic neighborhood level, face to face. (We cannot put our trust in the empire's technology.) It would mean reaching across turf lines and transcending single-issue politics, forming coalitions and sharing data and names and strategies, and applying energy at every level of government, local to global. It would also probably mean civil disobedience, at a time when the Bush regime is starting to classify that action as "terrorism." In the end, it may mean organizing a progressive confederacy to govern ourselves, just as our revolutionary founders formed the Continental Congress. It would mean being wise as serpents, and gentle as doves.

It would be a lot of work. It would also require critical mass. A paradigm shift.

Paranoid Shift

[intheflow]

16. I just love that this guy is such a well-respected theologian.

Hopefully he'll be like Chomsky and be able to jump from his academic specialty to political analysis. And the MSM won't rip him apart like Churchill.

[MrScorpio]

17. I saw him on CSPAN this morning

What a breath of fresh air

[hiley]

19. MANUFACTURED TERRORISM

THE TRUTH ABOUT SEPT 11

By Gerard Holmgren April 18 2004.
There's just one problem with the official story of Sept 11 - it isn't true.
This article presents a summary of the evidence that entire event was planned and carried out by the US govt and its agencies.

The research and documentation to support the charges made in this article can be found here

To start with, lets assume that the official story is basically true - that 19 Arabs hijacked four planes and crashed three of them into buildings and one into a field. As I'll demonstrate later, this is not what happened ,but even if it were true, there is solid proof that the govt must have had prior knowledge and deliberately allowed it to happen. In order to understand this proof, one must first know the basics of the official story.
American Airlines flight 11, a Boeing 767, tail number N334AA, with 92 people aboard, including the hijackers, was hijacked by 5 Arabs, while on route from Boston to LA. It was known to be hijacked by 8.25 AM or earlier, and hit the Nth tower of the WTC at 8.46.
snip----http://www.911closeup.com/

[TayTay]

20. I didn't have that hard a time believing this.

I watched the news coverage of that day. I watched and re-watched the footage of those buildings falling and how closely it matched to footage I had seen of how buildings are brought down with controlled demolitions. They just matched too evenly. I doubted the official story from the beginning.

I just ordered Dr(?) Griffin's books from Amazon. From what I heard today, this sounds like something that might fill in the gaps of what I already suspect. (On my own. I haven't been tracking this in any groups, before this.)

I remember in the 1980's and early 90's when John Kerry was investigating Iran-Contra, drug-running and, eventually, the BCCI scandal. Those investigative committees collected enough evidence to make a plausible case that the United States government was selling weapons to terrorists, trading arms for hostages, permitting drugs into the United States so that it could finance weapons to a terrorist group and that large corporate interests in the United States helped prop up an international bank that allowed drug and terrorist related monies to be laundered. Call me silly, but after finding all that stuff credible, it wasn't that far a leap to find Dr. Griffin charges to have merit.

[dbeach]

22. Love your country and distrust this criminal govt.

9/11 perpetrated by the most devious family in history..the bush crime family syndicate .. NAZIS and its starting to show..from Prescott Bush to operation Paperclip..the 3rd reich or 4th has compromised the US govt and many Patriots have been slaugtered..its all connected..JFK,BK,MLK,Wellstone,Heinz,
JFK jr,11/00,9/11,11/02/04..all done by the same criminal nazi elites

The Nazis have been brilliant in their satanic plans..Hitler and Himmler must be proud of the Bush criminals...how that by losing WW II ,allowed them to come here and cut deals with the Dulles brothers in 1944 for the right to live in the USA...and rebirth their party..

in the name of helping us fight the cold war..

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[DemonFighterLives]

24. Welcome to the cellar

I would call it a wine cellar, but don't mean you any disrespect.
Please put on your tinfoil.
;)

[Beam Me Up]

28. No offense likely. I *AM* vintage.

At first

I was iridescent

Then

I became transparent

Finally (finally)

I was absent

- Jefferson Starship, Starship

I assure you, no tin foil is needed.

[KoKo]

25. It's very strange. I've been here four years and never have seen a C-Span

thread about a book be moved out of the main discussion forums. And, not to be told that the thread was moved when I clicked on it later or why it was moved. And, other threads about this locked and moved without explanation.

I think if we knew what was different about C-Span's interview from the University of Wisconsin with a noted theologian then some of us wouldn't be so upset.

I've never even been down to the September 11 Forum, but here I am. I feel sort of like his book has been banned or burned....:shrug:

Most of us just don't understand why there's no explanation given.

[Al-CIAda]

26. wondering as well. -nt

[seemslikeadream]

27. LBN thread with 34 votes moved here

630 posts
Video shows police handcuffing 5-year-old (FL) warning - picture
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1413513&mesg_id=1413513

333 posts
Secret Service records raise new questions about discredited conservative
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1419330&mesg_id=1419330

[G_j]

33. an educated guess

says that those 33 folks who voted for that thread and the few hundred who posted on it would be puzzled as well.
It would be nice to have any simple explanation...anything
Otherwise, I'm just left with a confused, creepy feeling.


what makes something news one day and the next day not?

btw, that story was also about drug running and other criminal enterprises, not just 9/11.

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[demodewd]

31. signs of the times

My thread,Michael Dietrick, "A Professional Pilot's View of the Events of 911." wasn't allocated also to the Latest Posts as is customary. I checked there immediately after it was posted and it was omitted.

[G_j]

32. yep

I also am not sure what I can say now?

haven't been 'down' here either very often. So this is where they send the 'crazies' eh?
:eyes:

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[Dancing_Dave]

34. Well, you know, David Griffin rocks!

:yourock:

And Plague Puppy rocks too...see him confront the evidence of the WTC demolition:
http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

[90-percent]

35. Griffin

QUESTION:

Who placed the put options on the two airlines and dean-witter-smith-barney?

This should have been flagged by the CIA as Griffin mentioned they do as a matter of course.

These profits have never been collected. Why do such a thing if you don't get the money from it?

-85%

[KoKo]

36. They must have thought they could do it in secret but when the word

got out...they backed off in fear of getting caught. Someone knows who placed the put options.....but it's going to be awhile, if ever before any of us find out, probably...

[Sven77]

37. heres a quicktime link, different speach

He spoke in Santa Rosa, California, October 3, 2004.

http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=opensource_movies&collectionid=drgriffin

[Applan]

38. THE NEW PEARL HARBOR

Griffin's book is available on line although if you are going to read it I would urge you to buy it.
http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/141355.php
I first read it a year ago and literally did so in one session.
Chapter 9 is a particularly good read, especially this section:

"The Evidence for Official Complicity: A Summary

Anmed's summary of his evidence,>23 supplemented with points contributed by Chossudovsky, Thompson, Meyssan, and other researchers, contains the following elements:

1. Evidence that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were already planned for geopolitical reasons, so that 9/11 provided not the reason for the wars but merely the pretext.
2. Evidence that men with connections to al-Qaeda were allowed into the United States in spite of regulations that should have kept them out
3. Evidence that men with connections to al-Qaeda were allowed to train in US flight schools.
4. Evidence that the attacks of 9/11 could not have succeeded without an order from the highest level of government to suspend normal operating procedures for responding to hijackings.
5. Evidence that US political and military leaders made misleading and even false statements about their response to the hijackings.
6. Evidence in particular that the presently accepted official account, according to which jet fighter planes were scrambled but arrived too late, was invented some days after 9/11.
7. Evidence that the collapse of the WTC buddings was brought about by explosives, so that participation by the US government in the prevention of an adequate examination of the debris, especially the steel, constitutes evidence of its participation in a cover-up.
8. Evidence that someone in authority sought to ensure that there would be deaths in the attacks on the second WTC tower and the Pentagon by not having these buildings evacuated.
9. Evidence that what hit the Pentagon was not a Boeing 757 but a much smaller aircraft, such as a guided missile.
10. Evidence that Flight 93 was shot down after authorities learned that the passengers were gaining control of it.
11. Evidence that Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld revealed advance knowledge of two of the attacks.
12. Evidence that President Bush on 9/11 feigned ignorance of the occurrence and seriousness of the attacks.
13. Evidence that President Bush and his Secret Service knew on 9/11 that he would not be a target of attacks.
14. Evidence that the FBI had specific knowledge of the time and targets of the attacks at least a month in advance.
15. Evidence that the CIA and other intelligence agencies would have had very specific advance knowledge of the attacks by means of the put options purchased shortly before 9/11.
16. Evidence that the Bush administration lied about not having had specific warnings about the attacks.
17. Evidence that the FBI and other federal agencies prevented investigations prior to 9/11 that might have uncovered the plot.
18. Evidence that US officials sought to conceal evidence of involvement by Pakistan's ISI in the planning of 9/11.
19. Evidence that US officials sought to conceal the presence of the ISI chief in Washington during the week of 9/11.
20. Evidence that the FBI and other federal agencies blocked investigations after the attacks that might have revealed the true Perpetrators.
21. Evidence that the United States did not really seek to kill or capture Osama bin Laden either before or after the attacks.
22. Evidence that figures central to the Bush administration had desired a "new Pearl Harbor" because of various benefits it would bring.
23. Evidence of motive provided by the predictable benefits that this event, called by Bush himself "the Pearl Harbor of the 21st century," did bestow on the Bush administration.
24. Evidence against the alternative explanation—the incompetence theory—provided by the fact that those who were allegedly guilty of incompetence were not fired but, in some cases, promoted."

I truly believe this will eventually be bigger than Watergate and C-Span's broadcast may well be the first step.

[seemslikeadream]

39. Thanks so much Applan

Do you mind if I repost this?

:hi:

[Applan]

41. Go for it!

The more people see it the better

[DemonFighterLives]

40. Thanks and Welcome to DU

:thumbsup:

[MrSammo1]

42. Did you see this?

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/316532.shtml

[seemslikeadream]

43. MrSammo1

:wow:

[hiley]

44. On Saturday, May 7 at 2:30 pm C-span will run show again !

The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions
David Ray Griffin http://www.booktv.org/General/index.asp?segID=5677&schedID=362

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The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions
David Ray Griffin
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