5 Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into WTC

[Octafish]

DUers know the BFEE is up to its beastly eyeballs in Saudi oil money and Pakistani Intel. What is less known is the connection between the Bush Organized Crime Family and Mossad. This article from the Sunday Herald of London (thanks, Rense.com) examines the Big Taboo of 9-11. — Octafish

Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ...

EXCERPT...
 
THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis – and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.

Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of indisputable fact. To those who have investigated just what the Israelis were up to that day, the case raises one dreadful possibility: that Israeli intelligence had been shadowing the al-Qaeda hijackers as they moved from the Middle East through Europe and into America where they trained as pilots and prepared to suicide-bomb the symbolic heart of the United States. And the motive? To bind America in blood and mutual suffering to the Israeli cause.

After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations. He said: “It’s very good.” Then he corrected himself, adding: “Well, it’s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy .”

CONTINUED...

http://www.sundayherald.com/37707

[papau]

1. Proved false long ago - n/t

n/t

[alfredo]

2. I remember the report of Arabs dancing and laughing

Later it was reported that they were Israelis. They showed a photo of one of them smiling with the WTC burning in the background.

what part of the report was false?

[rini]

21. the Israeli part, they were Palestinians

[DulceDecorum]

36. Israeli - Palestinians?

Or Palestinian - Palestinians?


December 8 2002
Palestinian security forces have arrested a group of Palestinians for collaborating with Israel and posing as operatives of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network, a senior official said yesterday.

The arrests come two days after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon charged al-Qaeda militants were operating in Gaza and in Lebanon.

"The Palestinian Authority arrested a group of collaborators who confessed they were working for Israel, posing as al-Qaeda operatives in the Palestinian territories," said the official, on condition of anonymity.

He said the alleged collaborators sought to "discredit the Palestinian people, justify every Israeli crime and provide reasons to carry out a new (military) aggression in the Gaza Strip."
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/palestinians_arrest_al_qaeda_poseurs

[kalian]

3. Bull!

It was never proved "false"...quite the contrary.
The story was quickly buried and "forgotten".

[Octafish]

4. Here's more background.

This story got buried fast and deep while everyone was talking about the Saudis and the missing 28 pages. Here's a great resource to help open a real can of worms:

http://www.antiwar.com/israelfiles2.html

[kalian]

5. Oh boy....

I think that site is a "no-no" site. There are "anti-semites" and
some other creepy crawlies in there... Some people on these here
forums won't like it... :eyes:

[DulceDecorum]

9. The Israeli Angle

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j030802.html

Israel's internet amen corner is going ape-sh*t this morning , with James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal's "Best of the Web" and his blogger-clone, Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit, both taking out after the Israeli "art students" story – and, of course, poor little me.
Oh, what fun – it's a hoot seeing these two scrambling desperately to spin their way out of this one. Taranto, you'll remember, originally said he knew there was nothing to this story "because Justin Raimondo, of the crackpot antiwar.com website," thinks there is. Now that Ha'aretz and Salon have published articles giving the story credence, Taranto is in a perfect snit: will this bloated windbag, with all the mighty resources of Dow Jones & Company behind him, be shown up for the arrogant fool that he is?
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/pf/p-j051502.html

Stumbling on the truth
From Cameron we learn that nearly 200 Israelis have been rounded up by law enforcement because they are "suspected of belonging to an 'organized intelligence-gathering operation.'" Most, we are told, have since been deported to Israel, but "some" are still in custody. In this, the final segment of this amazing expose, we learn how law enforcement stumbled on the Israeli spy operation in the midst of a routine drug bust.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j121901.html

In October 2001, in the wake of the September 11 attacks on the United States, the Supervisor of Banks, Yitzhak Tal, ordered all banks in Israel to screen their customers' bank accounts and reports to him any account or financial activity of persons suspected of terrorist activity or connections with terrorists. The accounts were screened for persons and organizations appearing on a list published by U.S. authorities in accordance with a presidential decree issued shortly after the attacks.
After completing screening of the accounts at the end of 2001, the banks handed over their findings to Tal. Several suspicious accounts and financial transactions were found. The Bank of Israel has confirmed the existence of accounts believed to have been connected to the financing of terrorist operations but refused to state how many suspect accounts had been uncovered and to which terrorist organizations they were connected.
In the wake of the findings, the Supervisor of Banks informed the Justice Ministry that he was willing to hand over details of the suspect accounts and transactions discovered by the banks, but requested that the ministry first solve the legal impasse that prohibits him from violating banking secrecy laws.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=206537&contrassID=2&subContrassID=2&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y&itemNo=206537
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j112702.html

MEMRI
B) The U.S. Authorities Arrested Jews 'Rejoicing' at the Catastrophe <30>
Sheikh Gamei'a claimed that the U.S. news sources reported that "police arrested a group of Jews rejoicing in the streets at the time of the incident...." and stated that the news item had been hushed up immediately after it was broadcast. <31>
Raed Salah discussed the matter in greater detail: "Is it true that the American administration arrested five Israelis with European citizenship on suspicion of involvement in the incident They worked for a Jew in a moving company, with forged visas, and were severely tortured during their interrogation so that they would give details about the incident...." <32>
The Saudi Arabian government daily 'Ukkaz also addressed the issue in an editorial, writing "Six Israelis suspected of involvement in New York and Washington were arrested in the U.S., to be later released. This confirms our strong suspicions about the involvement of Israel's Mossad in the ugly crime." <33>
The Egyptian opposition weekly Al-'Usbu' published the news as a scoop, building it up somewhat and giving it the descriptive title, "True Perpetrators of the September 11 Attacks Arrested - Zionists with Maps of the WTC, the Pentagon, and the White House and Large Quantities of Anthrax." The article reported that "American security forces burst into the home of seven Israelis from Florida, arresting them and finding in their possession large quantities of anthrax microbes and some 15 maps of the WTC, eight maps of the Pentagon, and six maps of the White House.... Some of the maps were of airplane flight paths and destinations, while others showed wind speed and temperature....
"Two days after the arrest of the seven Israelis, the American authorities arrested, in Alaska, four more Israelis, and found in their possession photo enlargements of the atomic reactor in Florida and of the Alaskan oil pipeline. They were arrested by warrant of the American domestic security minister , who reserved in revealing the essence of their connection with the Israelis arrested in Florida....
"As soon as the arrests of the Israelis became known to the security apparatuses, the investigative bodies were given instructions to maintain the utmost secrecy. The national security advisor asked that the charges not be revealed, even if it were to be proven that Israel was responsible for what had happened...." <34>
http://memri.org/AntisemiticMythBook/chapterIII.html


Some of the ugliest examples of Arab antisemitism came in the wake of the September 11 attacks on the United States, as detailed in this important publication. The Arab media reaction to the September 11 horror reflected all the elements of Nazi-style defamation — particularly, Jewish conspiracy.
Here we can read the now-famous claims that Mossad organized the September 11 attacks; that 4,000 Jewish employees, forewarned, avoided work at the World Trade Center that day; and that Jews exploited their foreknowledge of the tragedy to profit from the stock market. We observe the shocking sense of cultural inferiority — self-serving but nonetheless real — of Arab commentators who "prove" Jewish complicity in the September 11 murders by pointing out that "only the Jews are capable of planning such an incident, because it was planned with great precision of which Osama bin Laden or any other Islamic organization or intelligence apparatus is incapable." And we learn of the grisly, Nazi-type punishment one Egyptian cleric wishes on the Jews of America.
But the totality of what is presented in the following pages also reflects a sad reality: the Arab world’s inability, first, to come to terms with the fact that Arabs planned and carried out the evil deeds and, second, to reflect productively on how and why that happened. Such is the classic utility the antisemite finds in his antisemitism: scape-goating Jews for problems of his own making.
<snip>
I congratulate MEMRI for its pioneering work in bringing Arab antisemitism to light, and I commend it for this fine book. For laymen, diplomats, and scholars of the Middle East and conflict resolution, this book highlights like few others one of the most troubling phenomena of our time, how antisemitism has come to pervade Arab culture.

By the Honorable Tom Lantos
Ranking Democrat, International Relations Committee
U.S. House of Representatives
May 1, 2002

MUCH MUCH MORE at:
http://memri.org/AntisemiticMythBook/contents.html

[Octafish]

30. Thanks for the info! BTW: Remember the Mexico City arrests?

Here's the gist of this largely forgotten story (Headline is on the original, not mine):

Zionist Terrorists Arrested
Inside Mexican Congress

MOSSAD Colonel Salvador Guersson Smecke and Saur Ben Zvi were armed and carrying bomb materials

by
Ernesto Cienfuegos
La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - October 12, 2001 - (ACN) We were alerted this morning by a subscriber from Mexico that two Israelis were arrested Wednesday inside the Palacio Legislativo de San Lázaro (Mexican Congress) in Mexico City. Both were armed with 9 mm automatics and one was carrying a military hand grenade, electrical wiring and other bomb related materials. The Israeli Embassy at Sierra Madre 2155, colonia Lomas de Chapultepec has close its doors to the Mexican Press and are refusing to talk. The incident has been independently verified by La Voz de Aztlan through Mexican diplomatic, press and other sources in Mexico City.

The Chief of Legislative Security, Salvador Alarcón, has also confirmed the arrest of the two Israeli terrorists. One of them Saur Ben Zvi is a confirmed citizen of Israel and the other, Salvador Guersson, recently immigrated to Mexico from Israel. It is has been determined by the Procuraduría General de la República (Mexican Department of Justice) that Guersson is a retired Colonel of the Israeli Defense Forces and that he may now be operating as a MOSSAD agent. It is not known how they were able to penetrate the extensive security system of the Mexican Legislative Palace.

This is a very grave incident with many serious international implications. Many have questioned who may be really behind many of the recent terrorist acts around the world including the ones against the WTC and the Pentagon. The Mexican public and congress has been reticent about declaring war against Islam along with the U.S. It is possible that an act of terrorism against the Mexican Congress was planned in order to "terrorize" Mexico into towing the line against Islam. La Voz de Aztlan will be on top of this developing story to report any additional developments.

SOURCE:

http://www.aztlan.net/mexmossad.htm

[Stupdworld]

6. fox actually had something about this

to an extent. they had a story on their website that covered israeli spies in the us. i think there was a hint of a whiff of some connection to something at 9-11. the story ran on a back page for just a day or two and immediately got pulled. the reporter was quoted as saying something to the effect of if you report on the mossad your career ends.

i aint shittin you. i just cant find a link to it now.

[kalian]

7. Yes they did....

whatreallyhappened.com has all the webpages that had been pulled
by Fox AFTER the FBI declared the information "top secret" and
related to the 9/11 "investigation".
Basically, it was Cameron Crawford, a Fox investigative journalist,
that had a 4 (?) part series in which the Israelis were being
investigated for 1) phone taps (apparently an Israeli-based
company controls the Washington DC political phone system including
the White House) and 2) statements by Sharon where he boldly claimed:
"Don't worry about the Americans, we control the Americans..."

[Minstrel Boy]

8. ABC News: "Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?"

When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.

One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.

...

Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.



http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html

The "white van" story is true. As true as Bush flying the bin Ladens out of the country. It just sounds like an urban myth.

[papau]

10. true - EU citizens - jews - in moving van were detained.- but the crap

about the videotaping, etc is just that - crap added by the Arab press.

It does appear that 2 of the 4 fellows(I know ABC said 5 - but I was told 4) were industrial "spies". And the art students being hassled was never explained - as to why the US thought they were evil - or as to what evil they were planning - but that got blasted about as spying - the details appear that it was a cheap vacation via a con to sell "art" to finance the trip - all done without proper papers - so they were deported - God knows these may be details that cover the true situation - but that is all I have heard.

But I enjoyed the idea of an Israeli company controlling the white house phone service. If any one ever spent a week in DC they would know that the wires to the white house are always "under repair" at 17th and Penn - where they are monitored for anyone else monitoring them by our guys - dressed as phone folk. It is not a big secret.

[Minstrel Boy]

14. But ABC reports a witness saying they were filming themselves:

"The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. 'They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange,' she said."

[kalian]

24. Added by the Arab press...

interesting comment.

[DulceDecorum]

37. Those dang Arabs!

Won't even abide the laws of gravity.
http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html

[reprehensor]

11. Somebody knew.

Practically every secret service on the planet knew somethin' wicked was headed for 'Merica in '01. That includes the Mossad, Russia's secret service, Germany's secret service, Egypt's secret service, etc. etc...

And they all warned the US Secret Service.

If any secret service was actually involved in 911, it was probably pakistan's ISI.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?xml=0&catkey=-2128936835&art_id=1454238160&sType=1)

I highly recommend Gore Vidal's 'Dreaming War' for anyone taking baby steps into 911 culpability.

[reprehensor]

12. CIA knew.

After being warned by every other Secret Service, the CIA even apperently warned the Prez. But that's according to the Washington Post, those guys will say anything!

"President Bush and his top advisers were informed by the CIA early last August that terrorists associated with Osama bin Laden had discussed the possibility of hijacking airplanes, according to reliable sources"

Original:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A23188-2002May15?language=printer

[jmcgowanjm]

16. PROMIS- not only capable of interfacing with a wide variety of data bases

However, when asked whether the CIA had
been using PROMIS beyond
American borders to scrutinize world financial
markets for national
security purposes, Crispell replied,
"I have no way of knowing what operations are
outside the country."

in different computer languages and then integrating
the data, but it has also been modified for intelligence purposes. It has then been sold throughout the world
by spy agencies through third parties to clients such
as banks and investment houses envious of its unique capabilities. One key modification by agencies such as
the CIA and Mossad - not disclosed to most users --
is a secret "back door" that permits those with the right codes to enter databases undetected, retrieve and/or
alter information, and leave without a trace. PROMIS has been
extensively reported as being used throughout the world's financial markets because of its versatility in facilitating international transactions.

[jmcgowanjm]

17. PROMIS was stolen thru USBankruptcy Courts

w/ antiwar and wrh postings here,
this Thread is moving into "Alice and the
RedQueen" area.

ShermanSkolnick would be the next area
of webvisiting.

An alliance of Right and Left is developing
in the US. The Political spectrum
coming full circle
As in-the Enemy of my Enemy is my
Friend.

Just be so very careful in realizing when the
Alliance is over.
See French Resistance for details.

[papau]

13. Very true - Israel and Germany begged us to pay attention - and we

chose to ignore the WTC attack - but 3 months earlier we - at Genoa - protected the pres at his meeting with an anti-missle and anti-plane as missle defense we had never before felt necessary to bring to Europe for a meeting.

And Bush will not release even the scrubbed superficial report on this to the Intel Committee - not that he has anything to hide.

[Lefty48197]

15. Apparently the gig is up

You've figured out our big secret: That it was actually the Jews that destroyed those buildings. It's hard to figure out how they had the time, what with taking over the media and the banks and all. They did, however, do a good job of making it look like the Saudis were behind it. Very clever those Jews are, but not more clever than the poster who figured out the truth.

[jmcgowanjm]

18. FBI can't track sender of Odigo warning-All concerned still waiting

in this case the company took the initiative to
provide the law enforcement services with the
originating Internet Presence address of the
message, so the FBI could track down the
Internet Service Provider, and the actual
sender of the original message.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C

[Minstrel Boy]

19. oh, please...

Spare me that card.

Mossad is no more "the Jews" than the CIA is "the Americans."

Israelis with evident Intelligence connections were arrested filming themselves rejoicing as the towers burned. Or is this all in our heads?

Is this an invalid path of inquiry?

[DuctapeFatwa]

20. The bush regime prefers that the 911 events not be looked into too closely

Therefore any questions that touch on any aspects of the events, including possible embarrassment to US allies, is invalid.

The regime has decreed that it was done by "evildoers who hate freedom," and that "you are with us or you are with the terrorists."

There is very little disagreement with either decree among the American voting classes.

[Octafish]

29. Good one! Ever hear of Amiram Nir?

Sorry if you think mentioning this story is anti-Israel. Nowhere does it mention any Zionist conspiracy, either. The point in posting it was to bring to light the possible role of the Mossad in 9-11. That story (like the close connections between George Bush Sr and Ariel Sharon) has not been covered.

Nor has the story of the Bush-Mossad connections. Case in point is the story of Amiram Nir, the liaison between Israel and vice president George Bush. Nir was involved in payments from, and shipments to, the Iranians during the Iran-Contra affair. He also was, according to reports at the time, aware of the Reagan-Bush campaigns contacts with the Iranians in Paris in the efforts to delay the release of the American embassy hostages in 1980.

So what's happened to Mr. Nir? Officially, he died in a plane crash in Mexico. Unofficially, he underwent cosmetic surgery. You wouldn't know, would you? Here's more on the story:

Mr. NIR, Amiram
Nov 10, 1950, Tel Aviv, Israel

A/K/A  NIR, Yet

A/K/A  “Weber, Pat”, codename
A/K/A  “Mr. Miller”, codename
A/K/A  “Mr. Suez”, codename

    The report on the covert relationship between Israel and the U.S. would not be complete without a chapter on Mr. Amiram Nir, who has in his time served as bothe the counter-terrorism advisor to former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres and as the pointman for Mr. Oliver North in the Iran-Contra deals. Because of his untimely death in a mysterious plane crash on December 1st, 1988 in Mexico, the world may never find out the whole story behind Irangate. Yet Nir, perhaps more than any other player in the scandal, knew things that would have embarrassed, if not put behind bars, numerous American and Israeli leaders.

SNIP...

   Four months later, in March 1989, West German arms merchant Mr. Hermann Moll added to the mystery when he told the German-based Middle East Insider that the CIA sabotaged the aircraft because Mr. Nir “knew too much”. Mr. Moll explained, that Nir was privy to details of South American drug cartel´s involvement with White House efforts to supply the Contras. He further claimed that Nir had extensive knowledge of how $ 15 million in profits from arms-sales to Iran had disappeared from secret bank accounts in Switzerland and wounded up in Contra hands.

   At the age of 34, Amiram Nir was put into the newly created post of Advisor over the Israeli government in late 1984. He had previously served as party spokesperson, campaign manager in Peres´failed 1977 bid for premiership, and then later as a military reporter for Israeli Television.

   Although he had achieved the rank of lieutenant colonel in the Israeli Defence Forces, had gone through an intelligence course, the Mossad balked at his political appointment claiming he was not qualified for the post of Counterterrorism Advisor. Perhaps he wasn´t, but it´s believed that Peres needed someone from outside the traditional ranks of the Israeli intelligence community to coordinate future arms sales to Iran, and Nir fit that bill.

CONTINUED...

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5260/amiram.html

[Octafish]

31. Did I say Mossad or Israel blew up the buildings? No!

Did I imply that? No! What I wanted to make clear was that the Bush Organized Crime Family has ties to both the pro-Israel and anti-Israel camps, just like their contacts work both sides of the east-west divide during the Cold War. It's a certainty the Bushes love certain Saudis for their money and oil. I brought this interesting story to light because I won't wait for you to tell us why the Bushes might love certain Isrealis.

[seoigh]

38. oh, please

If you were anti-CIA during Iran-Contra, would it make you anti-American? Is it AT ALL POSSIBLE to question the Mossad or Ariel I-never-saw-a-settlement-I-didn't-like Sharon while not being an anti-Semite? You do your position GREAT disfavor with such obviously weak straw man arguments. No one said anything about a "Jewish" conspiracy. If it were the KGB, would be anti-Russian? If MI5/6 was caught, would you be anti-British? I mean, really! You are using Bush's own "with us or against us" pseudo-logic. We are supposed to be smarter on the left.

[rini]

22. news Flash

It was reported last night that the actual hijackers were residents of the third moon of Pluto. They were upset that the green cheese on the moon had been left out and grew mold.

[DulceDecorum]

27. Name your source

Was it Judith Miller?

[St_Just]

41. Another Israeli Settlement?,,, On a Plutonian Moon?

Will extortionistic demands for billions a year from US taxpayers be next?

[Jim Sagle]

23. This thread ain't nuthin' but Nazi filth.

[kalian]

25. Sure...

:eyes:

[DulceDecorum]

26. Just so you know,

those that frequent this forum take
STRONG EXCEPTION
to Nazi references that are unsubstantiated.

And just to demonstrate that
Jewish people are indeed capable to making mistakes,
consider the case of Aryeh Deri:
In Shas's Israel, Aryeh Deri is a hero, not a sinner. The Orthodox, Sephardi judge who convicted him is a court Jew. And the decadent Ashkenazi ruling elite will eventually be swept aside by the honest, God-fearing masses.
http://www.jrep.com/Info/10thAnniversary/1999/Article-5.html

Now, which side are you going to take in this Jew vs Jew situation?
Jewish people are PEOPLE. People can be good, bad or ugly - and that goes for ALL people.
There are prisons in Israel because the Jewish Diaspora openly admits that Jews can be crooks too and also that crooks should be locked up.
And now, since we have established THAT, lets go back to the
Dancing Moving Van People.

According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html

[jmcgowanjm]

35. I haven't seen anyone quoting Wolfowitz/Ledeen/Strauss n/t

So where's the filth?

[Darranar]

28. I have a different view...

I think that the Israelis were arrested because they looked Middle Eastern. The rest was concocted to justify the racism.

[DulceDecorum]

40. That's funny, they don't LOOK Middle Eastern....

"On January 12 Indian intelligence officials in Calcutta detained 11 foreign nationals for interrogation before they were to board a Dhaka-bound Bangladesh Biman flight. They were detained on the suspicion of being hijackers. "But we realized that they were tabliqis (Islamic preachers), so we let them go, said an Intelligence official."

The eleven had Israeli passports but were believed to be Afghan nationals who had spent a while in Iran. …Indian intelligence officials, too, were surprised by the nationality profile of the eleven. "They say that they have been on tabligh (preaching Islam) in India for two months. But they are Israeli nationals from the West Bank," said a Central Intelligence official.
http://www.jihadunspun.net/articles/12022002-stranger.than.fiction/stf08.html

And as for "looking Jewish"

Conversions took off in the late 1980s after Rabbi Avichayil's Amishav organization began sponsoring Mizos to travel to Israel. According to Zaithanchhungi, some 400 young men and women made the journey, were converted and have been settled--mainly in the occupied territories. Now the money seems to have run out. Israel does not acknowledge the Mizos as Jews, though its Interior Ministry said in July that the government would permit 100 Mizo tribesmen into the country annually as tourists. If they are converted to Judaism they can become immigrants under Israel's Law of Return, which grants the right of citizenship to all Jews. Police officials in Mizoram say that over the past five years some 2,000 young Mizos have applied for passports to visit Israel. An average of 30 or 40 Mizos actually make the trip each year.
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/99/0906/mizos.html

Oh and don't forget to
CHECK THIS OUT.

Pakistan Origin Card – National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis (NICOP) scheme has been launched by Government of Pakistan (“GOP”) under the legislative cover of National Database and Registration Authority Ordinance, 2000 (VIII of 2000).
WHO IS ELIGIBLE?
(iv) Any person currently holding citizenship or nationality of Israel, India or Bangladesh.
http://www.pakistanembassy.ru/ginfo.htm

Hmmmmmmm

[Darranar]

42. What are you talking about?

Do you think Israelis all look the same? there are a considerable number of Sephardic and Oriental Jews, who could look very Middle Eastern.

[DulceDecorum]

43. And when one "apparent Arab"

person get in trouble,
Tel Aviv gets out the RED PHONE?
Especially one who is from the West Bank and says he has been in India teaching ISLAM for two months?

Yeah sure....
http://www.loolwa.com/ashkenazi.html

After the establishment of the State of Israel, conditions for Jews in many Islamic countries grew increasingly uncomfortable and, in some cases, their lives were threatened. In the 1950's and 1960's, tens of thousands of Sephardic Jews fled from North Africa and other countries in the Middle East to settle in Israel, usually being forced by the Muslim authorities to leave behind most of their worldly possessions. Once they came to Israel, most of the Sephardic immigrants were put in transit camps and became dependent on welfare. The conditions in these camps were very bad and it was difficult for the newcomers to work their way out of the lower rung of Israeli society because they had less education than the established Ashkenazic community. Consequently, many worked in blue-collar professions.
Today, tensions remain between Ashkenazim and Sephardim in Israel because of the poor treatment the latter received and the long, difficult road Sephardic Jews have had to travel to approach parity in society. Though they have not yet achieved equality, Sephardic Jews increasingly occupy positions of prestige and influence. Moroccan-born David Levy, for example, has served as foreign minister and, in July 2000, Iranian-born Moshe Katsav was elected president.
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Judaism/Sephardim.html

But in your defense, perhaps you got that idea from NBC.

One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here’s the transcript from NBC News:
Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

But it is an openly acknowledged fact
that those five guys WERE dancing and that
they WERE Israeli.

According to one former high-ranking American intelligence official, who asked not to be named, the FBI came to the conclusion at the end of its investigation that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last September were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front.
After their arrest, the men were held in detention for two-and-a-half months and were deported at the end of November, officially for visa violations.
However, a counterintelligence investigation by the FBI concluded that at least two of them were in fact Mossad operatives, according to the former American official, who said he was regularly briefed on the investigation by two separate law enforcement officials.
"The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the Mossad and operatives employed by it," he said. "The conclusion of the FBI was that they were spying on local Arabs but that they could leave because they did not know anything about 9/11."
However, he added, the bureau was "very irritated because it was a case of so-called unilateral espionage, meaning they didn't know about it."
Spokesmen for the FBI, the Justice Department and the Immigration and Naturalization Service refused to discuss the case. Israeli officials flatly dismissed the allegations as untrue.
However, the former American official said that after American authorities confronted Jerusalem on the issue at the end of last year, the Israeli government acknowledged the operation and apologized for not coordinating it with Washington.
The five men — Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Oded Ellner, Omer Marmari and Yaron Shmuel — were arrested eight hours after the attacks by the Bergen County, N.J., police while driving in an Urban Moving Systems van. The police acted on an FBI alert after the men allegedly were seen acting strangely while watching the events from the roof of their warehouse and the roof of their van.
http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html

The Forward family of newspapers — English, Russian and the original Yiddish — continues to carry on the founding vision of Abraham Cahan, serving together as the voice of the American Jew and the conscience of the community.
http://www.forward.com/history.html

The Point of Zionism
Why do they hate us? The question has plagued us nonstop for the last two years, since this war against terrorism began. If we are at war, we must know against whom. If we hope to win, we must know what winning means and how to get there. Does winning mean ending terrorist attacks? Then we must know what makes them attack us. Is it, as the saying goes, because of what we do or because of what we are — that is, because of OUR POLICIES or because of our fundamental identity?
Editorial.
November 7, 2003
http://www.forward.com/index.html

[paulthompson]

32. This story is not bogus

People on this thread who claim this story has been debunked or anti-Semetic are ignorant of the facts. For instance, that Forward, the largest circulation Jewish news publication in the US, confirmed that Israeli agents were trailing Muslim terrorists in the US. Is Forward anti-Semetic? Or that the US gvmt confirmed that at least two of the five people who filmed the WTC attacks as they were happening were Mossad agents. Or that the story was covered by ABC's 20/20, Fox News, Reuters, Salon, AP, Le Monde, Ha'aretz, and many more.

Here's the page I've made on Israel and 9/11:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/AAisrael.html

I've got a dozen plus more links I need to add, by the way, from other media outlets that covered the story.

By the way, very few have taken this evidence to conclude the the Mossad actually took part in 9/11. It seems more likely that they were very much in the know, and observing. That appears to be the Sunday Herald's take as well. There have been a number of stories that they gave all the information to the US gvmt. Der Speigel, Die Zeit and other outlets have even reported that Israel gave the US the names of 19 terrorists, including four of the 9/11 plot leaders (Mohammed Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi, Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar, the identity of the rest of the 19 in Israel's list are not known).

So one could argue that the Israeli spy ring story is actually yet another huge piece of evidence pointing the US foreknowledge, not that Israel orchestrated the attacks.

[Darranar]

33. The Mossad told the US...

about possible terrorist attacks. I don't think that's disputed.

But see my above post for my personal opinion on this particular incident.

[DulceDecorum]

44. Questions remain

How do you explain this?

However, a counterintelligence investigation by the FBI concluded that at least two of them were in fact Mossad operatives, according to the former American official, who said he was regularly briefed on the investigation by two separate law enforcement officials.
"The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the Mossad and operatives employed by it," he said. "The conclusion of the FBI was that they were spying on local Arabs but that they could leave because they did not know anything about 9/11."
However, he added, the bureau was "very irritated because it was a case of so-called unilateral espionage, meaning they didn't know about it."
http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html

So if they DIDN'T know anything about it,
then how did they know?
And how did they tell them when they did not know anything about it?

But then again,
if they were being briefed by two separate law enforcement individuals,
then they DID know something about it and
they did not need them to tell them because they already knew
even though they said they didn't know anything about anything.
Right?

[DuctapeFatwa]

39. Maybe it's not bogus but it is under a US regime cover ban

so it should not be talked about, referred to in any way, or even thought about. Defying a cover ban is terrorism.

[Dancing_Dave]

34. Of course, 9/11 was in Sharon and the Mossad's interest!

It was in their interest, and deadly covert operations are very part of their ordinary policy repertoir.

It was also in the interest of Cheney, Enron, Rumsfeld the Bush Dynasty...and deadly treachery is also a usual part of their profit-making and propagandizing methods.

It was the interest of Paul Gargano of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey...the WTC was an uprofitable property, and Gargano knew well how to use his buisness political and organized crime connetions to cash in on 9/11. And President Bush's brother Marvin was in charge of the access security for the WTC buildings which were set up for controlled demolition involving many internal explosives...talk about putting the fox in charge of the chicken coup!

There were plenty of treacherous people and oranganizations around to set up 9/11 and arrange to benefit from it to the tune of billions....happy halloween, brother.