The Dark Doppelganger of Delta 1989

[Woody Box]

It is already known that Delta 1989 made an emergency landing in Cleveland on 9/11, and that the plane had a mysterious doppelganger who landed half an hour later as an emergency, too:

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=323

Now take a look at the 9/11 commission report, a really interesting book. What do we learn about Delta 1989? Is it possible to establish a timeline for the flight? Let's try.

At 8:25, Delta 1989 took off from Boston Airport (this is not documented in the 9/11 report, but in the BTS database, http://www.bts.gov).

At about 9:00, Delta 1989 crossed the border between Boston Center and Cleveland Center, the two long-range Air Traffic Control centers. This estimation is easy to do because we know roughly the speed of the aircraft, and because we know Delta 1989 was over Cleveland at 9:40. Take a look at page 15 of the 9/11 report, there is a map of the FAA Control Centers. So after 9:00 or at most 9:05, Cleveland Center was in charge of Delta 1989.

At 9:19, the FAA Command Center advised Cleveland controllers to send a cockpit warning to Delta 1989. (9/11 report, p.455, footnote 68).

At 9:27, Boston FAA reports a fifth aircraft missing, Delta Flight 89. This is a statement from Col. Alan Scott to the 9/11 Commission:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Hearing_2003-05-23.htm
Why Boston? The plane was now in Cleveland Center Airspace.

At 9:28, a controller from Cleveland Center notices screams and strange voices ("we have a bomb on board"), apparently coming from Delta 1989 - but he is in contact with the pilot, and the pilot reports nothing unusual. No screams on Delta 1989: http://abcnews.com/sections/us/DailyNews/homefront020814.html

At 9:41, Boston Center calls the military to identify Delta 1989 as a possible hijacking. But the Cleveland controllers are still in contact with the pilot, and the transponder is not off. So why does Boston Center send the warning and not Cleveland Center? And why does NEADS warn Cleveland Center to watch Delta 1989 - they were watching it anyway?

So we have a terrible mess here; we have a flip-flop between Boston Center and Cleveland Center despite the fact that clearly Cleveland was responsible for Delta 1989 after 9:00; and we have conflicting reports that the plane was "missing" and "possibly hijacked" despite the fact that transponder and radio contact were never off.

There is an elegant possibility to clean up this mess:

Delta 1989 had a dark doppelganger, not only when it landed at Cleveland Airport, but when it was flying, too. This doppelganger started probably in Boston, too. It was part of the wargames which were taking place on this day. I was a "live-fly exercise".

The transponder of the doppelganger was off from start. When Boston Center called NEADS at 9:27 to report that Delta 1989 was "missing", this warning was in fact meant for the doppelganger flight. Its radar blip was hidden behind the blip of Delta 1989 from now on.

The screams at 9:28 were not coming from Delta 1989, but from the doppelganger flight. That's why the Cleveland controller was so confused: he determined the origin of the screams by "Radio Direction Finding", a standard technique, and they were coming from Delta 1989's position. The controller was not involved in the wargames, so he didn't know that there was a plane hiding behind Delta 1989.

On board of the doppelganger flight, a simulated hijacking took place. Boston Center - or a department of Boston Center - was apparently in charge of the wargame, this explains why Boston Center was still involved at 9:27 resp. 9:41. Note that Boston Center reported directly to the military.

At 9:41, the doppelganger left its cover, so its radar blip was visible. This was the moment when it was reported hijacked, falsely labeled as Delta 1989. The doppelganger was reported in the broadcast news as the "fifth plane":

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=685

So what happened to the passengers of Delta 1989's doppelganger?

[Last Lemming]

1. Parenthetically

I lived in Cleveland at the time and was working at a hospital near downtown--Cleveland was the only city where, in addition to the airport, the downtown area was completely evacuated. Police were everywhere and when I asked them what was up they said basically, "we couldn't say" The electricity went out at one point and my husband, who has been through several wars before this, thought--this is the end

[tngledwebb]

3. Downtown Cleveland was evacuated!?

This will be news to many. Is there a news article to link to?

[Last Lemming]

4. Yikes!

There should be. I was physically there and it was bedlam--Cleveland Plain Dealer is the paper I could track it down if you need the info--I used to know a lot of the cops there--they would be great to chat with--also a lot of the cops did overtime work with the airport doing baggage transfer stuff (they got to ride on planes free therefor)

[John Doe II]

8. Cleveland

I couldn't really track down anything for the evacuation of downtown Cleveland (although I'm sure I've read it somewhere).
But here is what I found:

"Cleveland Hopkins International Airport shut down about 10 a.m., forcing travelers to leave the airport in droves.

No cars were allowed into the airport grounds. Airline passengers and crew members were walking onto the highway to find their rides as no cars were allowed into the passenger drop off and pick up areas. Burke Lakefront Airport in Cleveland was also closed."
(Akron Beacon, 9/11/01)

Pretty strange for a simple precautios evacuation of the tower.



Last Lemming, it would be a real help indeed if you could track some information down about the evacuation of Cleveland:)

[seatnineb]

12. Myth becomes fact.

Perhaps our local cleveland based ATC could explain this!

posted on September 10, 2003 02:27:04 PM new I was home from work that day watching TV. I had a vacation day. Since our office was on the edge of downtown Cleveland, it was evacuated. I remember calling the Operations Director who is a close friend and my boss and crying with her on the phone. I also remember gathering my children.

http://www.vendio.com/mesg/read.html?num=2&thread=529053.

[MercutioATC]

13. I know absolutely nothing of Cleveland being evacuated.

The airport, yes.

The city? That's news to me.

(as I've said before, I was out of town that day)

[tngledwebb]

29. But when you returned didn't any co-workers or friends mention this?

n/t

[MercutioATC]

32. Nope.

I heard that a couple of buildings downtown evacuated, but it was on a building-by-building basis and very limited (from what I heard).

[LARED]

33. You are correct

The article from the AP I posted below indicates exactly that.

None of the articles I found on Lexus Nexus indicated there was a complete evacuation. None.

[Abe Linkman]

35. Doesn't change the fact that the OCT is a Fairy Tale.

n/t

[LARED]

38. Well it does point to the ever increasing mythology of 9/11

that seem to taken at face value by the willfully ignorant.

[Abe Linkman]

39. People who willingly believe the Gov't's lies about 9/11.

"the willfully ignorant."

That's one of the main reasons why the Gov't can get away with inside jobs like 9/11. They know that most people will believe the Official Conspiracy Theory ("Cavemen Did It") without question.

[John Doe II]

40. Cleveland

What remains in any case is the evacuation of the tower, the evacuation of the airport and a partly evacuation of downtown Cleveland. Amazing steps had been taken in Cleveland if one considers that still today it's not really clear why Delta 1989 was considered as a threat.
But to this point and the evacuation of Pittsburgh and Johnstown (seatnineb indicated that we have to see the evacuation of Cleveland in a wider scope) should be discussed in the thread especially opened for this subject.
Unfortunately I can't see anybody answering Woody's post and discuss the doppelganger of Delta 1989 ....!

[seatnineb]

37. What about Pittsburgh?

Fair enough.........but it looks like Pittsburgh also had a similar experience........

Downtown Pittsburgh has essentially emptied out, the USX Tower (our tallest building) and the government buildings have been evacuated.

Anyone else feeling the need to walk away from the news/computer?
posted by Dreama at 8:08 AM PST on September 11
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/10034.

[MercutioATC]

41. No idea.

I didn't hear anything about Pittsburgh.

[LARED]

9. Downtown Philly was evacuated on 9/11.

[John Doe II]

10. At what time? n/t

[LARED]

11. Cleveland was not completely evacuated

SECTION: State and Regional

LENGTH: 531 words

HEADLINE: PERSPECTIVE: Mayors took different paths to avoid panic

BYLINE: By PAUL SINGER, Associated Press Writer

DATELINE: CLEVELAND

BODY:
Ohio's big-city mayors, watching the results of a terrorist attack in America's biggest city, responded differently when trying to ensure safety and avoid public panic.

The most dramatic steps were taken in Cleveland, where most public buildings and many downtown skyscrapers were evacuated and schools were closed through Wednesday. The mayor sternly warned against loitering on street corners, and banned parking on downtown streets.

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Also I need to correct myself. Philly took similar precautions to Cleveland. but did not evacuate the city.

[Last Lemming]

2. By the way--great post--

keep going

[meppie-meppie not]

5. if those screaming voices came from the doppleganger then how

come they are identical (in transcript) to those recordings that came from UA93?

[k-robjoe]

7. Good question

And by the way, Woody, the link (to ABC news) that you gave about this, doesn´t work.

Maybe Woody has a better answer.

I´d just like to point out one thing about those screaming voices that is pretty strange. If you listen to the sound file : http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/flight93-air-traffic.htm
, you don´t hear any "Mayday" or "Hey get out of here".

I don´t know what the explanation for this is, it seems like the recording should have covered the time when theese cries would have come. Are there different tapes that recorded different things? That also seems really weird...

On edit : Didn´t see your post before I posted John Doe II. Good title :)

Second edit : The "Mayday" and "Hey, get out of here", is (ofcourse) from what officially was heard on tape : "Unlike the three other hijackings, Flight 93 continued transmitting over the radio during the struggle in the cockpit. The captain or first officer declared "Mayday," and 35 seconds later, one of them shouted, "Hey, get out of here get out of here get out of here." "

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=mayday+flight+93+commission+report&num=10&hl=nn&btnG=Google-s%C3%B8k&as_epq=hey+get+out+of+here&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=

[Woody Box]

15. link

Here's the relevant part of the article:

///The center's controllers were concerned about the Delta flight because it had departed Boston five minutes behind United Flight 175, which crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center in New York.We knew the magnitude of what we were dealing with," Kettell said. "We knew what happened in New York before our involvement became very keen." Shortly after Delta Flight 1989 checked in with the Cleveland Center while over Syracuse, N.Y., the center's controllers heard two transmissions that sounded like a cockpit struggle.///

[Woody Box]

14. they didn`t come from UA 93

The claim that the screams were coming from UA 93 is another wrong part of the official story.

They couldn't admit the existence of the doppelganger, of course, so they said that UA 93 was the only possible plane the screams could come from. This was part of the plan.

The controller who heard the screams thought they were coming from Delta 1989. This is undisputed. UA 93 was not far away, but enough away to distingish it from Delta 1989 (25 miles or so).

[MercutioATC]

16. How does distance have anything to do with it?

"UA 93 was not far away, but enough away to distingish it from Delta 1989 (25 miles or so)."

???

[Abe Linkman]

17. Another non-denial denial

Do you personally know the controller who heard the "screams"?

[MercutioATC]

18. No, it's a question. Will you stop this silly "non-denial denial" stuff"?

Distance means nothing. My ear is exactly where it is...that's where the voices come from. I have no way of knowing which plane the voice comes from except for recognition of the pilot's voice.


And yes, I do personally know the controller who heard the screams (on UAL93). What of it?

[Abe Linkman]

19. The controller said they DIDN'T come from UA 93.

Is that a conflict with the storyline you're promoting?

[Abe Linkman]

22. As an ATC employee, you signed a "Secrecy Oath", right? Question:

When did you sign it?

Please, no semantic games. If it was called something other than a secrecy oath, but contained language commonly found in secrecy oaths, please have the good manners to not do any spinning on this question.
Thank you.

[MercutioATC]

23. No.

No semantics involved.

Because of my security clearance, there are some matters I'm not permitted to discuss, but I'll clearly state that I'm not allowed to discuss them if the subjects arise.

Other than that, there's nothing like a "secrecy oath"...no secret handshake either...

[Abe Linkman]

25. Your security clearance serves the same purpose as a secrecy oath.

Very few people likely know the complete truth about how 9/11 was an inside job. Many people know bits and pieces, but because of things like security clearances and secrecy oaths, they can't speak out, EVEN if they want to. I'm not implying that you are one of those who would speak out if you could. But, I'm sure there are some people who are disgusted and appalled by the whole thing, and would like to tell the world what they know, but they can't.

The only reason I asked you about this is to help illuminate one of the many reasons why it's so difficult to learn what really happened on 9/11. The Gov't controls the evidence, destroys evidence, releases false evidence, and thru Secrecy Oaths, Security Clearances, and contractual agreements with third parties that require secrecy about the
purpose of said agreements, one can begin to appreciate how relatively easy it is to keep the lid on the truth.

[MercutioATC]

26. I'll actually partially agree with you on this one.

If I had specific knowledge that an F-16 WAS used at the Pentagon, I couldn't tell anybody.

However, I'm not required to lie about it.

I believe that what you say has some merit. If somebody with a security clearance DID have knowledge of a government coverup, they couldn't divulge it. However, they also wouldn't be required to make up a cover story or support a pre-made story. They could just not talk.

[Abe Linkman]

27. They could also obfuscate, distort, distract, shoot messengers etc.

Keeping a treasonous crime like 9/11 under wraps is not that hard to do.
Furthermore, even though a fairly large number of people know that Pearl Harbor wasn't a surpise, that JFK was NOT shot or killed by Oswald, that the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was a lie, that Iraq had no W.M.D. in 2003, that bush did desert the military (AWOL), that bush's grandfather was the Nazi's U.S. banker, that Poppy bush goaded SH into "invading" Kuwait, and that 9/11 was very much an inside job...the Gov't is NOT very worried at all about the fact that some people know the truth, because those people represent only a very tiny fraction of a percentage of the population AND they can be easily marginalized thru PR and Disinformation campaigns designed to discredit them as "conspiracy theorists". Meanwhile the true conspirators (9/11 perps) are treated by the corporate media as upstanding, honorable patriots who are truly sorry about all those black, brown poor people who must die in Iraq...and next, Iran.

[MercutioATC]

28. That's outside my realm of agreement.

People COULD do that, but it would have nothing to do with a security clearance.

What I was in agreement with was your statement that somebody who held a security clearance COULD be prevented from talking if they knew of a government conspiracy. That's the extent of my agreement.

[meppie-meppie not]

20. but what about all the people on the plane who rang up their

loved ones and were relaying to them what was going on in the plane they were on...the same applies with flight 77...Barbara Olsen spoke to her husband as did other's on that flight speak to their loved ones. Not one reported being herded onto another plane or that another plane was flying parallel to them. If a doppelganger flight was flying in tandem with them it would have to have been physically close enough for them to visually see and would they not have reported to those on the ground such?

[tngledwebb]

30. Every narrative of what happened inside the planes is fishy, absurdly so.

But wouldn't have been difficult to fake screams, phone calls, 'let's roll' heroes, box-cutter and bomb wielding terrorists, etc, in fact the whole mess, especially under cover of war game exercises.

What happened to the passengers? Well, bodies of plane passengers have NOT been accounted for, except via 'official' reports about DNA test. Not in Pa, not at the WTC, or at the Pentagon.

Remember also that most big MSM outlets are complicit and won't and haven't addressed any of the real questions. Or if you prefer, MSM is easily be deceived by officials.

[meppie-meppie not]

42. the more I read the more I am coming to that realization ;( n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

43. Barbara Olsen is the only one

who made calls from Flight 77.

All the other calls that we heard about came from Flight 93.

[John Doe II]

6. Good question!

I love your close reading, Woody!:)

You ask a very interesting question there.
And let's have a look what we do have around UA 93:
The strange evacuation of three towers and airports: Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Johnstown
The mystery of two planes landing at Cleveland (here the thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x12604)
The strange story of Delta 1989
The strange doppelganger.
The white plane at the crash site.
The raining debris on Indian Lake.

The official story is cracking everywhere you look!

[WritersBlock]

21. One question for the ATC expert...

"The screams at 9:28 were not coming from Delta 1989, but from the doppelganger flight. That's why the Cleveland controller was so confused: he determined the origin of the screams by "Radio Direction Finding", a standard technique, and they were coming from Delta 1989's position."

Do center controllers have DF capability at the console? I always understood they were in flight service stations, but that was way back when.

[MercutioATC]

24. We don't have radio direction finding capability at the sector.

You're absolutely correct...flight service stations are the only ones (with the probable exception of the military) that have that capability.


BTW...I'd be interested to know where that quote came from. It sounds wrong, but I'd have to see it in context.

[WritersBlock]

31. Thanks, didn't think so.

The quote was in the O/P.

[Abe Linkman]

34. What's the acronym stand for?

Is it really that much of a pain to write it out?

[WritersBlock]

36. Original Post

Is it really that much of a pain to figure it out?

On edit: Sorry for the abrupt response. It's just that if I had asked someone what something in their post meant, I hope I would have asked a little more politely. :)