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Meet the four unknown 911 hijackers!
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 05:25 PM by John Doe II
Excuse me for the length of this text but I think the subject and the many surprises it will contain are enough reason to write this!

Right after 911 four names emerged as suspected hijackers by the FBI (besides Mohamed Atta and Marwan al Shehhi):
Adnan and Ameer Bukhari, Abdul Rahman Alomari and Ameer Taiyb Kamfar.
As none of them turned out to be on the first official hijacker list from September 14 I though it would be worth having a closer look at them.

I. The hijackers

Adnan and Ameer Bukhari:

One of the first names to come up in the media after 911 are Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Bukhari:
Both Saudi citizen lived in Vero Beach and both had been pilots.

Law enforcement sources say that two of the suspected hijackers, at least two of them, lived here in Vero Beach. Two of them are brothers that lived here. () One of them is Adnan Bukhari. We have a photograph of him. He is said to be in his '40s. He is described as a commercial pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines. Also living in Vero Beach, Bukhari's brother, Ameer. Both lived here with their wives and children. ()
Now this afternoon, we also had a chance to go inside one of rented homes. This is the one rented by Adnan Bukhari. It was searched this day by the FBI. And according to documents left behind by agents, they seized a number of items, including a computer, computer software, U.S. immigration papers, bank receipts, phone cards, a flight safety bag. () We also saw a pilot certificate, as well as a certificate that they had received specialized instruction on multiengine planes. () These pilots, we are told by law enforcement sources, attended flight safety international, a flight school here in Vero Beach. Law enforcement sources also tell CNN that the Bukhari brothers were believed to have been on of the two flights out of Boston, one of those two flights that wound up slamming into the World Trade Center.
(CNN, 9/12/01 3 p.m.)
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/investigation.ter... /
(Palm Beach Post, 9/21/01)

Police and law enforcement sources said the two brothers suspected in the Boston hijackings were Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Abbas Bukhari, who up until recent days had lived in Vero Beach, Florida. Both of their homes have been searched, the sources said.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200109/13/eng20010913...

(Adnan) Bukhari () had just finished a yearlong training stint at FlightSafety Academy in Vero Beach. He sent his wife and four young children home the week before.
(Palm Beach Post, 9/21/01)

Law enforcement sources said the FBI is seeking to question the family members as material witnesses.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200109/13/eng20010913...

Abdul Rahman Al Omari:
Abdul Rahman Al Omari was a Saudi Airlines pilot living next door to Adnan Bukhari. He attended the Vero Beach pilot school Flight Safety Academy as well and left on September 3, 2001 with his family too.
(Palm Beach Post, 9/21/09)

Abdulrahman Alomari, () is listed in FAA records as having worked in flight operations for the Saudi airline and who was sitting next to Atta in the business section of American Airlines Flight 11, according to the passenger manifest
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news01/091401_news_plan... to Maine, police said.
(Press Journal, 9/14/01)
(Orlando-Sentinel, 9/14/01)

There was also a very close relationship between Adnan Bukhari and Al Omari.
Bukhari helped Al Omari to rent the house next door.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=artic...

Bukhari lived in one house and Abdul Rahman Alomari, 38, in the other.
(Sun-Sentinel, 9/14/01)

Abdul Rahman Al Omari recently left with his family too.
(Palm Beach Post, 9/21/01)

Alomari was last seen by his landlord and neighbors on Monday. (September 3, 2001)
(Sun-Sentinel, 9/14/01)

And also quite suspicious:
The Minnesota ID card found in a Vero Beach, Fla., home was issued to Abdulrahman Alomari, listing a St. Paul address. () The owner of the St. Paul home, who rents rooms to people studying English in a private program, said she didn't think Alomari, 38, ever lived in the house.
(AP, 9/14/01 d)

Reasons enough not only to Attas apartment in Coral Springs and Adnan Bukharis house.:
The day after the attacks on the Pentagon and New York, 40 FBI agents descended on Abdul Rahman Alomari's former address at 4032 57th Terrace in a dawn raid. Agents pounded on doors shortly after 5 a.m., evacuating houses and herding residents to the end of the street, where some still in pajamas huddled under umbrellas and sat in their cars. Agents feared that Alomari's house might have been booby-trapped or could have contained a bomb.
()
Agents spent 12 hours searching his house. They also began an intensive investigation of his friends, almost all Saudi FlightSafety students.

(Palm Beach Post, 9/18/01)


Ameer Taiyb Kamfar:
Kamfar was a commercial pilot too and he had a direct connection to the three above mentioned hijackers:
He lived at the same address as Abdul Rahman Alomari and went to the same Flight School as him. He too left on September 3.
Kamfar, 41, lived at the same Vero Beach address as Abdulrahman Alomari, who is listed in FAA records as having worked in flight operations for the Saudi airline and who was sitting next to Atta in the business section of American Airlines Flight 11, according to the passenger manifest.
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news01/091401_news_plan... to Maine, police said.

Kamfar and Abdul Rahman Al Omari had both allegedly trained at the Vero Beach pilot school Flight Safety Academy.
http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2001-09-19/news/smith.ht...
(Palm Beach Post, 9/18/01)

But the connection didnt end there:
Like Adnan Bukhari Kamfar had the Saudi Arabian Airlines post office box in the Saudi city of Jeddah, listed as their home addresses on their commercial pilots' licenses.
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news01/091401_news_plan... to Maine, police said.

And there was more reason for a concrete suspicion:
Kamfar's behavior had been suspicious enough that his neighbor, Piper Aircraft employee Henry Habora, called the FBI at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday to report it. Kamfar, Habora said, kept unusual hours and wore a pilot's uniform. Then, two weeks ago, Kamfar quickly left with his wife and four children.
"They basically dumped everything that they had in their van and took off," Habora said in an interview. "They were good neighbors. They were quiet."
The FBI, which has been combing the passenger manifests of all four planes, was already focused on Kamfar by the time Habora called. About eight agents quickly arrived at Habora's door with a photo of Kamfar and asked if it was the same person.

(Chicago Tribune, 9/13/01)
http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2001-09-19/news/smith.ht...
(Vancouver Province, 9/13/01)

This is all very convincing. (And the pattern of suspicion are very similar to the 19 known hijackers)
There is just a small problem: Theses are not the hijackers!


II. Investigation:

Leaving the flight manifest (and the resulting problems if theses four names were listed) aside the only further explanation I found (thanks to Frank Levi!) for the assumption of the two Bukharis being hijackers is a possible link to the car left at the Portland airport.
While CNN just mentions theses two information side by side without making a direct link:
Law enforcement sources also tell CNN that the Bukhari brothers were believed to have been on of the two flights out of Boston, one of those two flights that wound up slamming into the World Trade Center.
Also we can report to you that a car impounded in Portland, Maine, according to law enforcement authorities, was rented at Boston Logan Airport and driven to Portland, Maine.

(CNN, 9/12/01 3:00 p. m.)

The only more concrete explanation I managed to find is this:
Police and law enforcement sources said the two brothers suspected in the Boston hijackings were Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Abbas Bukhari, who up until recent days had lived in Vero Beach, Florida. Both of their homes have been searched, the sources said.
The two rented a car, a silver-blue Nissan Altima, from an Alamo car rental at Boston's Logan Airport and drove to an airport in Portland, Maine, where they got on US Airways Flight 5930 at 6 a.m. Tuesday headed back to Boston, the sources said."

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200109/13/eng20010913...

Sounds familiar?
Right. This is part of the official story with the small difference that the car was driven by Mohammed Atta and Abdulaziz Al Omari (who happened to have been filmed passing the security gate).
I read all articles on Lexis-Nexis about Bukhari but nowhere I found an explanation for this mix-up nor an explanation what possible proof in general could have been found inside the car that was evidence enough that the two Bukharis were hijackers aboard the airplanes on 911.
But the FBI didnt have to bother with the problem of explaining as they were facing a very concrete problem when raiding Adnan Bukharis house:
The day after the attacks on Washington and New York City, Adnan Bukhari awoke at 5:10 a.m. to the sound of knocking on his front door. Then knocking became a hammering. Bukhari realized men were all around his house, banging on all his windows. Half-awake, he opened the front door. Six FBI agents, armed and wearing bulletproof vests, strode inside.
(Palm Beach Post, 9/21/01)

One can only imagine the surprise for the FBI to meet the supposed hijacker of a suicide mission alive. Although it took CNN a whole day till they realized that Adnan Bukhari was alive (although they had reported live from his house at 3 p. m. still considering him as a dead hijacker) before he was called alleged associate of 911.

Actually when Bukhari was taken for an interview the media only knew that in Vero Beach, FBI agents detained an unidentified man in connection with the case.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=artic...

But very soon the FBI was facing the next problem: Ameer Bukhari had a perfect alibi for not being a hijacker on 911:
Ameer Bukhari () had died in an air collision above the St. Lucie County International Airport exactly a year before the attacks.
(Palm Beach Post, 9/21/01)
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/12/investigation.ter... /

But the next surprise followed soon.
In the interview with the FBI on September 12 Adnan Bukhari of course didnt have to prove anymore that he wasnt aboard an airplane on 911 but he had to answer tough questions about his close friendship to the hijacker Abdul Rahman Al Omari.
But he had luck and once again was able to present a convincing proof of his innocence:
Just as the questions began, Bukhari's cell phone rang.
It was Alomari.
Bukhari turned to his attorney: "You're never going to believe who this is."
Bukhari handed the phone to the FBI agent.
"I think from that they started to realize I had nothing to do with it and it was just a mistake with the names."

(Palm Beach Post, 9/21/01)

He (was) released after the FBI concluded he wasn't involved in the hijackings, federal law enforcement sources said.
http://www.abqtrib.com/archives/news01/091401_news_plan...

This phone call was a lucky coincidence as it not only provided a proof of innocence for Adnan Bukhari but also for Abdul Rahman Al Omari.
CNN reported:

CANDIOTTI: In Saudi Arabia, this man watches the horror of the World Trade Center attack unfolding, then hears his name mentioned as a suspected terrorist, and sees a picture of himself provided by a law enforcement source to CNN.
ABDUL RAHMAN ALOMARI, SAUDI ARABIAN AIRLINES: It was painful for me, for my family, for my kids in school. My pictures were all over the world

(CNN, 9/21/01)

He said US officials in Riyadh had offered him an official apology in the presence of Saudi interior ministry officials.
(Agence France Press, 9/19/01)

So, also about their third hijacker the FBI was simply wrong.
If you say not: Wait a moment but Al Omari WAS aboard AA 11, youre right and wrong. See below!

Just a small but not very surprising addition:
Officials confirmed that also Ameer Taiyb Kamfar was alive in Saudi Arabia.
(Palm Beach Post, 9/21/01)
The FBI wasnt looking for him anymore.
(Palm Beach Post, 9/15/01)

III. What had happened?

Adnan and Ameer Bukhari:


Bukhari's attorney told CNN Wednesday that Bukhari is not connected with the terrorist attacks, that he is helping authorities, and that any documents found with his name meant his identity was stolen. He said Bukhari had passed an FBI-administered lie detector test. He also said Ameer Bukhari, the pilot killed in a mid-air crash in Vero Beach last Sept. 11, was not his brother, as had been reported.
(Palm Beach Post, 9/15/01)

So, a simple case of stolen identity (even the identity theft of a dead person)? This will be examined below.
Just lets say that investigating Adnan Bukhari can have negative consequences:
When James P. Hopkins, an International Aviation Operations Specialist with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in Washington, DC, read on September 13 that at least one hijacker on each plane had had flight training in the US he searched the two names Atta and Bukhari.
His search was successful: He found a match did appear for the name Bukhari, indicating that an individual with that surname, and also from Saudi Arabia, was trained in Aviation Security at the FAA Academy in 1991 and 1998. Mr. Hopkins has alleged that when he walked over to FAA Security (). About thirty minutes later, Mr. Hopkins first-level supervisor placed him on administrative leave and sent him home.
http://www.osc.gov/documents/press/2001/pr01_25.htm

(It shall not be withhold that the Merit Systems Protection Board granted OSCs petition to put Mr. James P. Hopkins back to work on October 18, 2001.)

Abdul Rahman Al Omari:
In case youre convinced that the Abdul Rahman Al Omari was indeed a hijacker on 911 then the following article of USA Today (published after the FBI released the list of the hijackers on September 14) will strengthen your point:

Abdul Alomari
Age: Believed to be 38
Possible residence: Vero Beach, Fla., with his wife and four school-aged children. He paid $1,400 per month in rent.
Gave his landlord 30 days notice and said he would be out of the house by the end of August. Then he pushed the date back until Sept. 3 and moved out that day, telling his landlord he was going back home.
Rated as a private pilot and flight engineer, listing his address as Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, according to FAA records. He listed his previous employer as Saudi Flight Ops, which handles maintenance for Saudi Arabian Airlines at Kennedy airport in New York.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/14/hijacker...

But lets have a look now at the official FBI list:
Abdulaziz Alomari - Date of birth used: December 24, 1972 and May 28, 1979; Possible residence: Hollywood, Florida; Believed to be a pilot.
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/091401hj.htm

Clearly the name is not Abdul Rahman nor just Abdul but Abdulaziz.
Thats why the Palm Beach Post concluded:
Abdul Rahman Alomari, identified as Abdulaziz Alomari on the list of suspected hijackers.
(Palm Beach Post, 9/15/01)

But besides the name all other information is different as well: While the Al Omari listed by USA Today is obviously the one weve met the Al Omari looked for by the FBI is not 38 years old and doesnt live in Vero Beach.
Therefore its not a simple confusion about an Arab name.
Hes simply a completely different person.

But as the names are almost perfectly identical it doesnt come as a surprise that it took the media a bit of time to adapt to the official Al Omari:

Mohamed Atta, Waleed Al-Shehri, Wail Al-Shehri, Abdul Rahman Al-Omari, and Satam Al-Suqami were the five hijackers who took over American Airlines Flight 11, en route from Boston to Los Angeles, and slammed it into the World Trade Center, according to a source familiar with the FBI's list of the hijackers.
(Orlando-Sentinel, 9/14/01)

On September 16 the Toronto Sun names the hijacker Abul Rahman Alomari.
http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSAttack010916/16_week-sun.html

And still on September 19:
Abdulrahaman Alomari, who was passenger 8G on American Airlines Flight 11, and Amer Kamfar, also suspected by the FBI of being among the World Trade Center hijackers, had both allegedly trained at the Vero Beach pilot school Flight Safety Academy two miles from Hagberg's home before vacating their Vero Beach apartment Sept. 3. They presumably died a week later.
http://www.sfweekly.com/issues/2001-09-19/news/smith.ht...

Only on September 16 the authorities seemed to realize that something was odd:
The authorities said today that it appeared a case of mistaken identity had led the Federal Bureau of Investigation to search the former home and to interview the friends of a Saudi Arabian pilot whose name is similar to one used by one of the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane to crash into the World Trade Center.
(New York Times, 9/16/01)
http://www.wanttoknow.info/010915nytimes

The comment of the New York Times is quite interesting:
If that is the case, Abdul Rahman Alomari fell victim to a remarkable set of circumstances. Apart from the similarity in names, the interest of investigators was clearly aroused by the fact that he had studied at a Florida flight school, as had several of the suspected hijackers. Both investigators and reporters became further intrigued when Mr. Alomari's landlord and neighbors told them he had sent his wife and four children back to Saudi Arabia less than two weeks before the attack.
(New York Times, 9/16/01)
http://www.wanttoknow.info/010915nytimes

So, here too, just a case of stolen identity?
We will examine this below.

Amer Taiyb Kamfar:

About the investigation surrounding Kamfar there is a short but notworthy story to tell:

After Kamfar is being named as a hijacker of 911 the story changed (without any explanation that I could find) and the FBI put out an alert for Kamfar (who was apparently considered to be very much alive and still in the US):
Agents fanned out across town and issued a statewide alert for Amer Taiyb Kamfar, who records showed once lived with Abdul Rahman Alomari and attended FlightSafety. The alert reportedly said Kamfar was carrying an AK-47 and should be approached with extreme caution.
(Palm Beach Post, 9/18/01)

But then:
However, the FBI did say it no longer was looking for Amer Taiyb Kamfar, who lived at the same Vero Beach address as Abdul Rahman Alomari, identified as Abdulaziz Alomari on the list of suspected hijackers. The alert for Kamfar, put out to all law enforcement agencies on Wednesday, had described him as armed and extremely dangerous. FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said she couldn't comment on why the bulletin was rescinded.
(Palm Beach Post, 9/15/01)

Kamfar seems to be a perfect example of how somebody can turn in only a couple of days from a dead hijacker into a heavily armed and extremely dangerous man into a pure innocent person.
So, why was he suspected in the first place?
Another case of stolen identity?


IV. What really happened?
As Im completely lost and see no way to explain the concrete suspicion of Adnan and Ameer Bukhari, Abdul Rahman Al Omari and Ameer Kamfaar as hijackers on 911 I propose simply to go through all theoretical possibilities.
1. So, just lets assume that the nineteen names of the official hijacker list were indeed on the flight manifest:
This immediately bears the problem how to explain the immediate suspicion against our four innocent? That they would have been suspected associates ok but suicide hijackers? In order to suspect them and to assume their names are not on the flight manifest the FBI had to believe that our four suspects had used stolen identities themselves. Why could they assume that? Why not suspect at first the persons whose names are actually written on the manifest? Moreover the Bukharis were believed to have taken the Portland flight to Boston (the one that Atta and Abdulaziz Al Omari are known to have taken): Then the FBI can only have suspected EITHER Atta and Al Omari or the Bukharis. But Atta and the Bukharis are the first suspects of 911!
So, I dont see any possibility to believe that actually the nineteen names officially known as hijackers are written on the manifests (the ones that never have been made public).
Even if the information was wrong that the Bukharis were suspected to have taken the Portland flight then the simple fact that the Bukharis are besides Atta the first ones to be suspected suffice to prove that this assumption cant stand the test of logic.
Moreover there is one early statement (from September 13, a day when Adnan Bukhari was still considered a dead suicide hijacker):
Officials said many of yesterday's searches and detentions were prompted by a review of the passenger manifests of the four hijacked planes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=artic...

The only solution is that the at least three identities had been stolen (Al Omari is a special case). Therefore we should bury all official and unofficial statements that the hijackers had used their real names to buy the tickets.
Robert Bonner, the head of Customs and Border Protection, gave the following statement before the 9/11 Commission:
On the morning of 9/11, through an evaluation of data related to the passengers manifest for the four terrorist hijacked aircraft, Customs Office of Intelligence was able to identify the likely terrorist hijackers. Within 45 minutes of the attacks, Customs forwarded the passenger lists with the names of the victims and 19 probable hijackers to the FBI and the intelligence community.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing7/witness...

And in the actual hearing on January 26, 2004:
MR. BEN-VENISTE: Let me ask you briefly about your statement about the day on 9/11 which I found very interesting. You say that, on the morning of 9/11, through an evaluation of data related to the passenger manifest of the four terrorist hijacked aircraft, Customs Office of Intelligence was able to identify the likely terrorist hijackers within 45 minutes of the attack, Customs forwarded the passenger lists with the names of the victims and 19 probable hijackers to the FBI and the intelligence community. How are your people able to do that?
MR. BONNER: Well, it was pretty simple actually. We were able to pull from the airlines the passenger manifest for each of the four flights. We ran the manifest through the TECS/IBIS system. This is essentially the lookout system that both U.S. Customs and INS use but it's maintained by Customs. We ran it through the system. Two of the passengers on those aircraft were hits for having been entered on the watchlist in August of 2001. That was al Mihdhar and I forget the other one's name but they were the two people that had gone to Singapore that the CIA had identified. But they actually were put on the watchlist in August of 2001 by the FBI. So they hit on those two.
Just using those two hits and taking a look at some other basic data about the flight manifest, both in terms of -- I don't want to go into a lot of detail -- but where they were seated, where they purchased their tickets, you could do just a quick link analysis and essentially, I remember I was at Secret Service headquarters, as I said, but I would say whether it was 45 minutes, I don't know but my recollection is that certainly by 11:00 a.m., I'd seen a sheet that essentially identified the 19 probable hijackers. And in fact, they turned out to be, based upon further follow-up in detailed investigation, to be the 19.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing7/9-11Comm...

It gives a shocking insight into the work of the Independent Commission that not a single question follows up concerning Hani Hanjour (who was added on the FBI list only on September 14) or the four persons this article is dealing with.
In plain English: This repeated statement under oath complete BS. And nobody cared about the problem of identifying the hijackers.

2. So, now lets just assume that at least three identities had been stolen on 911.
Already the fact that one is left with this as the only explanation leaves a bad taste in the mouth: all statements that the hijackers bought tickets under their real names are wrong. All statements about the way how the 19 hijackers had been identified are wrong too.
Moreover nowhere there is any explanation given by the FBI for any suspicion against any of the four mentioned cases:
The story about the car that the two Bukharis had been supposed to have driven to Portland simply changes and no explanation is given. Adnan Bukhari turns from suicide hijacker to associate and no explanation is given.
Well, then weve to think for ourselves!

So, lets assume at least three identities had been stolen and lets compare the list of suspected hijackers with the official list:

Mohamed Atta Mohamed Atta
Abdul Rahman Al Omari Abdulaziz Al Omari
Adnan Bukhari Waleed Al Shehri
Ameer Bukhari Wail Al Shehri
Ameer Kamfar Satam Al Suqami

If we just assume that the FBI simply got confused with the middle name of Al Omari and his identity wasnt stolen but it was just a coincidence that led the FBI on the wrong track then we find that apparently the Al Shehri brothers stole the identity of the Bukhari brothers and Al Suqami went for Kamfar (and in the process of uncovering this theft the world famous crash-tested passport of Al Suqami might enter the game ).
Here again are numerous questions:
Why doesnt the FBI indicate anywhere that identities had been stolen nor how they managed to uncover them within a single day!
Why do theses hijackers steal identities while all the hijackers that had already been known to authorities before 911 didnt change their identities: Mohamed Atta, Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar?
What are the odds that they not only managed to steal several identities but the identities of a whole group of perfect suspects: living next door to each other, being Arabs, pilots, another pair of brothers (although later it was figured out they only shared the same (rare) name and lived in the same city), another Al Omari who accidentally is pilot too lives next door and is a close friend, and many of them leaving the country shortly before 911??
How probable is it to find such a group??
How did they manage that? This would imply a great deal of research and nowhere it is stated that the hijackers had spend longer time in Vero Beach (as they must have in order to find their perfect victims? Why run the risk of stealing the identity of a dead person?
And whats the sense of this very time-consuming operation? To tease the FBI post mortem for 48 hours?
So, even if there is no other explanation possible I must say this doesnt make any sense!


But it gets even weirder!
At the end lets have a close look at Abdul Rahman Al Omari. We had assumed it was just a confusion over his middle name that led FBI to the wrong place and the wrong person.
Weve seen that Abdul Rahman is clearly a different person than Abdulaziz.
(T)he FBI accidentally may have fused two names to create one identity, because another man, Abdul Rahman al-Omari, who has a different birth date, is the person pictured by the FBI, but he still is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines. After his photograph was released, he walked into the U.S. Embassy in Jedda and demanded to know why he was being reported as a dead hijacker.
(Insight the News, 7/7/03)

So identity and photo stolen of a perfect victim: Arabian pilot etc.
So the real hijacker is Abdulaziz Al Omari. Ok.
But now look at this:

Abdul Aziz al-Omari was identified as one of the hijackers and the pilot who crashed American Airlines Flight 11 into the North Tower of the World Trade Center. Another man with the same name is an electrical engineer in Saudi Arabia. He lived in Denver after earning a degree from the University of Colorado in 1993. Coincidence? Consider this oddity. ABC News has reported that his Denver apartment was broken into and his passport and other documents stolen in 1995. In September 2001 he told the Telegraph, I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this.
(Insight the News, 7/7/03)

So another case of stolen identity??
Does this mean that the real hijacker stole the identity of Abdulaziz and stole again or profited miraculously from the identity of Abdul Rahman???
But the oddities surrounding this name arent finished!

Three of the men identified as the hijackers in the attacks on Tuesday have the same names as alumni of American military schools, the authorities said today. The men were identified as Mohamed Atta, Abdulaziz al-Omari and Saeed al-Ghamdi.
The Defense Department said Mr. Atta had gone to the International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama; Mr. al-Omari to the Aerospace Medical School at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas ; and Mr. al-Ghamdi to the Defense Language Institute at the Presidio in Monterey, Calif.

(New York Times, 9/15/01)
http://www.wanttoknow.info/010915nytimes

This doesnt sound very much like an electrical engineer from Denver. The name Abdul Al Omari bears apparently lots of surprises

(It shall not be withheld:
One day later the comment is slightly different but not really convincing:
Some of the FBI suspects had names similar to those used by foreign alumni of U.S. military courses," the Air Force acknowledged in a statement. However, discrepancies in their biographical data, such as birth dates 20 years off, indicate we are probably not talking about the same people.
http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2001/09...

I can only quote Daniel Hopsicker:
Probably not talking about the same people
does not quite strike the right note of decisive certitude that we would expect when discussing the identities of the people who have just been responsible for the deaths of 6000 more-or-less vaporized Americans.
)

Here a small reminder of how things were spposed to be:
FBI Director Robert Mueller said the bureau's first mission is to identify the hijackers, and that many of them have been identified.
(Chicago Tribune, 9/13/01)

We will leave no stone unturned until we have determined who was responsible for these attacks on our freedom, said Mueller, who is in his second week on the job.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=artic...

I say here is not a single stone that has been turned!



This article is very much indebted to Frank Levis research.
See his page: www.the-movement.com (The Bukhari brothers)






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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:38 PM
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1. I there something new that has been uncovered here, if so kindly....
...summarize and reduce the size of the post. I'm sure it eats up a lot of DU resources. Thanks.
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 05:50 PM
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2. Well, did you ever
hear of Adnan and Ameer Bukhari, Abdul Rahman Al Omari and Ameer Kamfar who have been supposed hijackers on 911?
If you don't then certainly it deserves some space. Neither in the news nor on the net there is any research on this topic (with one exception of Frank Levi).
But don't you think it's worth having a close look at four guys the FBI was for several days convinced to have been suicide hijackers?
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:53 PM
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3. the 'fbi' had the names ready before the event.....
and how they did it is a mystery...answer it and you also answer the 40 year old question 'who killed kennedy?'
good job
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 07:32 PM
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4. Thanks!
Very troubling all this confusion on the hi-jackers. Honestly, I can't keep all the names straight, even with your condensed recap. I find it extremely odd that the manifest of the 4 planes have not been released to the public at this point. I know, from reading other threads on this subject here, that there appears to be confusion on the #s reported from the original info released and what we are now told. The manifests are off by a total of.....19 people?

Lots of strange things about the time the hi-jackers in Portland. They stayed at a hotel close to the airport in So. Portland (actually is where the airport is located). It was reported last year that the manager at the hotel there says that the hi-jackers met with some people in the lobby, but the FBI confiscated the lobby tapes....don't know how true it is.

I've always thought that excursion to Maine was strange. It was 120 miles to Boston from Portland. Commuter planes are regularly held there if Logan is busy....seems that it is a big risk for such a monumental plan that requires everyone to make the flight.

And, regarding the poster's comments above......wasted bandwidth? What, we need to save it for more dumb lounge and/or hate Kerry threads?




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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:00 AM
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5. The Al-Omari confusion
Hi John,

another great compilation, thanks! Don't bother about people who are happy with these lousy FBI investigations. They should stay with Fox and CNN and their soap news.

I would like to add this piece from the Boston Globe concerning the Abdul Rahman/Aziz Al-Omari confusion:

http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/globe_s...

Abdulrahman Alomari was on the passenger list of Flight 11, sitting in business class next to Mohamed Atta, 33, who some investigators now believe was the ringleader of the group of terrorists who boarded two Boston-to-Los Angeles flights. Public records show that Alomari had lived in Vero Beach, Fla., and attended a flight school there.

But in the Justice Department list of hijackers released yesterday, Alomari's first name is spelled Abdulaziz. Federal investigators said they could not explain the discrepancy between the American Airlines passenger list and their list.


Now we know: Abdul *Rahman* Al-Omari was on the AA passenger list. The guy from Vero Beach/Florida was also named *Rahman*. So how did the Justice Department come to Abdul *Aziz*?

It looks like someone had to be protected from prosecution.

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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:46 AM
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6. Thanks for the quote!
That's a very important quote!


http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/globe_s ...

" Abdulrahman Alomari was on the passenger list of Flight 11, sitting in business class next to Mohamed Atta, 33, who some investigators now believe was the ringleader of the group of terrorists who boarded two Boston-to-Los Angeles flights. Public records show that Alomari had lived in Vero Beach, Fla., and attended a flight school there.

But in the Justice Department list of hijackers released yesterday, Alomari's first name is spelled Abdulaziz. Federal investigators said they could not explain the discrepancy between the American Airlines passenger list and their list.

I think it's rather frithening that the flight manifest and the Justice Departement list differ!
Moreover it's frightening that thay can't explain it and especially that they don't even realize that it's not simply is samll difference of the middle name but clearly we're talking of two differnt people.

So, why do the two lists mention two different persons?
And why do Federal investigators have no clue how to explain that?
And why does not even the Indepedent Commission bother to ask questions but are happy to accept a CLEAR LIE under oath?
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:54 PM
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8. why do Federal investigators have no clue

how to explain that?

Maybe they relied upon your boston.com link.

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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 03:52 PM
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9. Is this supposed to be an answer?
If they did rely on the boston.com link then the hijacker would have been called Abdul Rahman and not Abdulaziz.
The question is (and just one of many raised in my first pst):

" Federal investigators said they could not explain the discrepancy between the American Airlines passenger list and their list."

This is strange, isn't it?
Federal investigators have the name Abdulaziz (from Hollywood, Florida) and AA apparently a completely different guy Abdul Rahman from Vero Beach and the Federal Investigators can't even explain why they have a name that differs from the flight manifest.

So, RH, why is that?
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 04:08 PM
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10. I was just wondering

if you ever bother to check if a link actually works before regurgitating it.

Do you expect every Federal investigator to know what every other Federal investigator is up to? A press quote from a source with no more precise identification that that is usually BS of one sort or another.

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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 04:32 PM
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11. Yes, I do
I checked it. Woody's link works. I don't know why copy and paste somehow made the link not working in my post. So, you can try this link. Or here. I try again:
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/globe_s...

Otherwise I think you find pretty many other links you can try. In case you would like to check any quotes I found on Lexis Nexis I can always PM you the whole article.

And btw yes, I do expect that Federal Investigators can explain why the name of a different person appears on their list. A person that apparently is not listed by AA.

And if you can explain the whole strange story aboyt Adnan and Ameer Bukhari, Abdul Rahman Al Omari and Ameer Kamfar i'm happy to hear your exlpanation: Why were they believed to have been aboard on 911?

And what do you call Robert Bonner's statement under oath and the excellent reaction of the Independent Commission?
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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:16 PM
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12. BS and coincidences

A press quote from a source with no more precise identification that that is usually BS of one sort or another.

Assumed the source is really BS - a simplifying view I don't share - it's a strange coincidence after all that a man with the BS name was living in Florida as a pilot and disappeared a few days before the attacks.

Coincidental BS, so to speak.



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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:53 PM
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7. It gets worse
The only possibility that somehow manages to explain that the two Bukharis, Abdul Rahman Al Omari and Ameer Kamfar had been believed to have been suicide hijackers on 911 is that the actual hijackers used (contrary to official sstatements) stolen identities (that this possibility by far doesn't manage to answer many questions has been shown).
But now read this:
"Airline ticketing information obtained by the Dayton Daily News shows Atta's name is on the tickets along with a second man, Abdulaziz Alomari."

(Dayton Daily News,9/14/01)


Uups. Thtat implies that no stolen identities had been used on this flight. Therefore how can the Bukharis (who were supposed to have taken the Porland Flight)be suspected?? And how it makes it even harder to understand how the FBI could have suspected Abdul Rahman.

The whole FBI inivestigation is very very bizarre ...

Anyone ready to come forward with an explanation??
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 03:24 PM
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13. Complete contradiction
We have already figured out that Atta and Abdulaziz Al Omari had been on the flight manifest of the Portland flight on 911 (Dayton Daily News, 9/14/01)

Here is another substantial info:
"Portland's link in the macabre chain of events began to emerge Tuesday night, as federal investigators compared the passenger manifests of the hijacked jets with those of connecting flights coming into Boston."
(Portland Press Herald, 9/13/01)

Therefore we can draw the conclusion that on the flight manifest of AA 11 Atta and Abdulaziz Al Omari were mentioned and that they didn't use stolen identities.

But as already shown in the first post only stolen identities could somehow have explained that the two Bukharis and (Abdul Rahman Al Omaris is a special case) had been considered suicide hijackers on 911.

Anybody ready to solve this contradiction?
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 03:26 PM
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14. The pilot certificates
A trail of evidence led investigators into Tuesday's terrorist attacks from one abandoned rental car in Portland, Maine, to two houses in Vero Beach, Florida.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1542153.stm
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/investigation.ter...

At 5 am on September 12 the FBI searched Bukharis house in Vero Beach and found things that support the suspicion that the Bukharis had been suicide hijackers on 911:
Inside it were two pilot's certificates in the names of Adnan Bukhari and his brother, Ameer Abbas Bukhari.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1542153.stm

And I like to add that also Ameer Kamfar had a more than suspicious way to leave his house before 911:
Agents asked neighbor Hank Habora about Kamfar, 41. Habora said the family moved into the house in February but recently left abruptly.
``They threw out everything they had _ clothes, dishes,'' Habora said.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/13_APgermansid.html

Yes, we have here the four perfect suspects: Adnan and Ameer Bukhari, Abdul Rahman Al Omari and Ameer Kamfar: pilots, arabs, neighbours and some of them just left Vero Beach before 911.
But as already shown there is one small problem: They werent the 911 hijackers and Adnan Bukhari himself opened the door on 912.

Ameer is not Adnans brother and hes dead since September 11, 2000. So how does the pilot certificate of Ameer Abbas Bukhari come into the house of Adnan Bukhari??
Strange.

And in general one really would like to know what kind of evidence could have been found in the Nissan at Portland jetport that could have proven that the Bukharis and by consequence also their neighbours had been hijackers on 911?
But unfortunately
FBI and state police declined to comment on what may have been found in the car that was seized at the Portland airport.
(AP, 9/13/01)

How could the FBI suspect theses four persons?
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 06:45 PM
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16. New article
from Nico Haupt says :

"In reality, totally different people had been "scripted" for 9/11:

Among them: Adnan and Ameer Bukhari, Abdul Rahman Al Omari and Ameer Taiyb Kamfar, but someone unscripted them from the passenger lists.
Who did it?"

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php...
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 06:37 PM
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15. Where are the OTCs?
:hi: :hi: :hi:

Why does noone who considers the CR correct jumps into this thread and tries to explain this apparently completely lousy FBI investigation?
It should be really easy.
I've put everything I know on the table.
So, why is nobody ready/able to solve this contradiction?
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 04:51 PM
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17. Why does Bukhari what to flee after 911?
Strange if somebody who has apparently nothing to do with 911 is listed as a hijacker. But how about this:
Adnan Bukhari was obviously very afraid right after the attacks on 911 and wanted to leave the country (and follow his family that had left a few weeks ago):


Adnan Bukhari's wife returned to Saudi Arabia Aug. 30, and the family's lease on the house ended Aug. 31, landlord Paul Stimeling told The Associated Press. But about July 25, Adnan Bukhari asked for a two-week extension on his lease, through Sept. 15 for extra rent. Then Bukhari said over this past weekend that he needed another two or three days in the home, the landlord added.

``He never gave a reason,'' Stimeling said. ``He said he had a couple of things to clear up.''

Two employees at Rooms To Go, a furniture store in Vero Beach, said Bukhari made a hurried purchase as news of the bombing was breaking on a television set in the showroom. Bukhari bought a full living room set within five minutes, using his credit card to pay the $1,794.95 bill. He said he wanted the furniture readied to be exported to Saudi Arabia. ``I told you I need this stuff right away,'' he said. ``I want to get out of America. I don't like it here.''

http://web.archive.org/web/20021121125827/http://www.ct...

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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:37 AM
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18. FBI still believes Abdul Rahman and Abdulaziz are the same person?
I don't believe this!
Although it is clear that Abdulaziz (officially a 911 hijacker) from Hollywood and Abdul Rahman (at first supected then suspicion was dropped and he even was in an interview on CNN) from Vero Beach are two different persons:

The FBI thinks otherwise after 911!

Have a look at this list:
http://cryptome.org/Finnlist.pdf


And now have a look at Abdulaziz Al Omari in the above mentioned list. Not only is as his alias mentioned Abdul Rahman but also the adress from Hollywood and from Vero Beach is listed. But Vero Beach is where Bukhari and the 100% very alive Abdul Rahman lived.
What the hell is going on here?
Is the FBI investigation a complete joke??


But now have a look at our 19 hijackers. They are "possibly deceased"....!

You believe this list is faked?

Then read this:

"A CONFIDENTIAL FBI list of 370 people suspected of helping Osama bin Laden's terrorist network has leaked out.

The names, addresses, telephone numbers, e-mail, and social security codes of the suspects were posted on the internet by Finland's Financial Supervision Authority (RATA).
When the error was spotted, the website was shut down. The list was put together by the FBI and European counter-terrorism agencies for use in tracking down the bank accounts, assets, and money flows of the al-Qa'eda network."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...

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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 02:21 PM
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19. Names, addresses, telephone numbers, e-mail, & SS codes.
And they want us believe they can't find these guys.
Tell it to Leroy


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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 07:19 AM
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20. Good work
I've looked into the mystery of these guys but have never written anything about it. However, I have a collection of articles on it that you might find interesting. For instance, most of them were on Flight 175, not Flight 11, according to a couple of mainstream articles. At one point I think on the morning of the 12th, CNN even announced that one of the Bukharis was the pilot!

I can forward my article collection to you if you're interested in doing more on this.

Also, I'm very fascinated by the case of the brothers Wail and Waleed Alshehri. There appear to be two pairs of brothers with the same name, and actually three "hijacker" Waleed Alshehris. The Palm Beach Post even did a story about this mystery of the two brother pairs in October 2001 (but came to no conclusions). I have a pet theory that the Saudi government and US government have worked together to put forth a false set of brothers because the real Waleed Alshehri was the son of a Saudi diplomat working at the Saudi embassy in Washington DC and furthermore may have been part of a protected drug suggling ring.

I can send you those articles too, if you want to look at that topic.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 07:21 AM
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21. Good work
I've looked into the mystery of these guys but have never written anything about it. However, I have a collection of articles on it that you might find interesting. For instance, most of them were on Flight 175, not Flight 11, according to a couple of mainstream articles. At one point I think on the morning of the 12th, CNN even announced that one of the Bukharis was the pilot!

I can forward my article collection to you if you're interested in doing more on this.

Also, I'm very fascinated by the case of the brothers Wail and Waleed Alshehri. There appear to be two pairs of brothers with the same name, and actually three "hijacker" Waleed Alshehris. The Palm Beach Post even did a story about this mystery of the two brother pairs in October 2001 (but came to no conclusions). I have a pet theory that the Saudi government and US government have worked together to put forth a false set of brothers because the real Waleed Alshehri was the son of a Saudi diplomat working at the Saudi embassy in Washington DC and furthermore may have been part of a protected drug suggling ring.

I can send you those articles too, if you want to look at that topic.
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 07:37 AM
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22. Thanks very much!
Edited on Sat Jan-15-05 07:42 AM by John Doe II
That's really a pleasure to hear from you again and thanks a lot for your compliment! :)

Sure, I'll be interested in your collection. I think you still have my mail adress otherwise just drop me a PM.

Spontaneously I've my doubts about your theory concerning the brothers. Bukhari received a visit by the FBI less than 24 hours after the attacks. And the Vero Beach people are really the perfect suspects. Moreover the similarity concerning Al Omari. I don't think you can dig out the real suspects, figure out their biography, contact the Saudis and find the perfect suspects within 24 hours (knowing that this would lead nowhere as one of the brothers was dead and the other still alive. So no chance to keep up the story). But before coming to any opinion I'd love to read your articles!

Best regards,
John Doe II
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 09:00 AM
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23. follow up
I just sent you a PM. Regarding the Alshehri brothers, I may be wrong, but the more I look into these guys, the stranger it gets. For instance, you have the diplomat father claiming he has two sons Wail and Waleed, and his son Waleed is a pilot still training in Morocco, yet that Waleed is interviewed after 9/11 and says he has no brother named Wail. There's something really weird about it all.

As another example, the Waleed who wasn't the diplomat's son had no ability to speak English or any other language than Arabic, and was basically a country bumpkin who'd never left Saudi Arabia in his life until going to Florida in the summer of 2001. Whereas the Waleed seen by witnesses in Florida that summer speaks English and German quite fluently, and is even a big fan of baseball and the Florida Marlins specifically, and talks to his landlord at great length about that team. The official 9/11 story put forth by the 9/11 Commission has the country bumpkin being the one on the hijacked flight.

Here's the Palm Beach Post story, which is a good place to start, but it only scratches the surface. I hope I'm not violating copyright policy, as this article can't be found anywhere on the internet nowdays.


Mysterious Brothers Left a Confusing Trail

by Eliot Kleinberg and Clay Lambert
The Palm Beach Post
October 17, 2001



Housekeeper Valrie Williams didn't remember much about the mysterious men who holed up at the Homing Inn for a month and wouldn't even let maids clean without keeping an eye on them.

But she did instantly recognize two of the three when the FBI showed their photographs as part of a 19-man roster of presumed murderers.

Waleed and Wail Alshehri are on the list, identified as two of five men who commandeered American Airlines Flight 11 from Boston on Sept. 11, helping to slam the Boeing 767 into the north tower of the World Trade Center.

They might actually be two otherwise unidentified men who stole the identities of others, including a commercial pilot who is the son of a Saudi diplomat.

Then again, it may be that the diplomat's son has the misfortune of sharing a name that is about as common in the Middle East as Bill Smith is in America. If published reports from the Middle East are correct, Waleed and Wail Alshehri are brothers, restless young Saudi teachers who vanished in December, last seen headed to Chechnya to help Muslim separatists fighting Russia in that breakaway republic.

The truth might be buried, along with them, in the 60 feet of rubble in lower Manhattan that they helped create.

A common name

Muhammad Ali Asgley Alshehri, a well-known businessman in Khamis Mushayt, a city near the Yemen border in southern Saudi Arabia, says the suspects are his sons. He has not seen them. He told al-Watan, a Saudi newspaper, that they are two of 11 sons and one daughter. Muhammad Alshehri told the newspaper he hopes the investigation will prove that his sons were not involved. But al-Watan said they matched the pictures released by the FBI.

The father said Waleed, 21, had studied at a a teacher's college in nearby Abha, and Wail, 25, had a degree in business administration from the same school. He also said Wail had a degree in physical education.

And, he said, Wail was suffering from psychological problems and was seeking a kind of exorcism.

"He was mentally ill and had gone to numerous clerics for assistance in overcoming this instability," Muhammad Alshehri said. He said his son had asked the school where he taught for a six-month leave to make a pilgrimage to the holy Saudi Arabian city of Medina.

It is in that city that Wail Alshehri was last spotted, in December, the Los Angeles Times reported Sept. 26. The Guardian in London reported last month that a Middle Eastern intelligence agency had identified Wail al-Alshehri as having trained in Bin Laden's al-Farouq training camp. Officials have said they believe he received several months of training last year in hand-to-hand combat, bomb-making and poison-mixing at the camp in Kandahar, Afghanistan.

Sources close to the family told al-Watan that both sons became very religious nine months before their disappearance and had spoken often of joining the Mujahedeen in Chechnya. They were hoping for martyrdom. Neither ever discussed politics nor Osama bin Laden. Neither man knew anything about flying and both spoke very limited English. The Alshehri brothers had driver's licenses from the United Arab Emirates and it is believed that they flew to the United States directly from that country.

Then there is Saudi pilot Waleed Alshehri.

The New York Post reported Sept. 15 that Alshehri is the son of a former second secretary of the Saudi embassy in Washington. The newspaper said a Waleed Alshehri had at least eight different birth dates and addresses in Florida and Vienna, Va., and the FBI has said Waleed M. Alshehri has used seven dates of birth, from 1974 to 1979.

On Sept. 16, Ahmed Alshehri, a Saudi diplomat based in Bombay, India, denied he was the father of Waleed Alshehri or had ever served in the United States, even though diplomatic lists showed his position at the Washington embassy. Five days later, wire services quoted Alshehri as telling the Saudi newspaper al-Medina that his son Waleed was alive and a pilot for Saudi Arabian airlines. The father reportedly complained that "many of those mentioned as suspects appeared to be still around and there was no truth in what was spread about them."

The same article quoted an Abdulaziz Alomari, an engineer with Saudi Telecom, as saying he lost his passport while studying in Denver. The FBI has said another of the hijackers of Flight 11 used that name.

On Sept. 20, al-Medina quoted Waleed Alshehri as saying he was out of Saudi Arabia for a training course and planned to sue CNN for slandering him. Other reports placed him in Morocco.

The Saudi embassy and Saudi Arabian Airlines did not respond to written requests by The Palm Beach Post for interviews with the Waleed Alshehri reported to be the Saudi pilot.

It may be that the pilot and the brothers simply had the same surname. The New York Times reported Sept. 20 from Cairo that Alshehri is an often-used name that, when transliterated from Arabic to the western alphabet, can also be spelled Alshahri, Alshehiri, Al-shehrhi or al-Shehri.

A Waleed Alshehri listed with a Daytona Beach address gave a date of birth of New Year's Day, 1976, and said he was 5-feet-10. Records show he lived there from at least 1995 to at least May 2000. Reports show that man failed to retrieve an $81.10 utility deposit on the Daytona Beach apartment dating to 1999.

FAA records show a Waleed Ahmed Al Shehri, with a Daytona Beach address, had both private and commercial pilot's licenses. Authorities at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach describe Waleed Alshehri, who graduated from the school, as an A and B student who lived in a nearby $580-a-month apartment.

Published reports and documents show a man by that name also lived at a boarding house in Vienna, Va., near Washington, from at least February to October 1999, and took computer classes with his father in nearby Tysons Corner, Va.

Whoever they were, the men authorities now identify as Waleed and Wail Alshehri left a hit-and-miss trail from the Middle East to Europe to Boynton Beach, and to the exterior wall of the World Trade Center. The summer of 2001 was a busy one for the men calling themselves Alshehris.

Watching over the maids

On June 21, Waleed Alshehri checked into room B-308 of the Homing Inn on a busy stretch of Federal Highway in Boynton Beach. He would check out on July 26. Wail Alshehri and hijack suspect Satam al-Suqami used the hotel's address for Florida driver licenses on July 3, and all three bought memberships at a World Gym in Boynton Beach.

The man who filled out the paperwork upon check-in at the Homing Inn provided a driver license listing his name as Waleed M. Al Shehri and gave an address that is the oceanfront Bimini Motel in Hollywood. The license gives a date of birth of Dec. 20, 1978, and lists him as 5-feet-6. The license was issued May 4. He would order a duplicate the very next day.

Williams, the housekeeper, told investigators she recognized Waleed Alshehri from his license photo, but said other Middle Eastern men who came and went from the room often hid their faces.

Williams noted something else strange: She was never allowed to clean the room alone. A tall, slim man always sat in the doorway. She did not recognize the man from the photos of the suspected hijackers. The owner said the men never used their telephone, although residents saw them on the pay phone.

While in Boynton Beach Waleed also might have bought a one-month membership at World Gym, just west of the city. And a librarian at the Delray Beach Public library remembered the Alshehri brothers as having used the Internet. A newspaper in Barcelona, Spain, reported the Alshehri brothers met there with Mohamed Atta, believed to be the leader of the Flight 11 cell.

The owner of the Panther Hotel in Deerfield Beach has said he recognized the brothers and Satam al-Suqami as staying there from Aug. 2 to Aug. 10.

Two weeks later, on Aug. 26, the brothers bought one-way tickets on Flight 11, using different Visa cards. They listed as their address a Mail Boxes Etc. in Hollywood.

Now all that remained was moving the money and getting into position for mayhem. On Sept. 8 and 9, Atta transferred thousands of dollars to a contact in the United Arab Emirates.

A day later, another suspected terrorist - Marwan Al-Shehhi - and someone spelling his name "Waleed Al-Shehri" checked into Room 432 of the Park Inn in the Boston suburb of Chestnut Hill. The Boston Herald reported that a driver for an escort service brought a woman in her 20s to the room used by Waleed and Wail Alshehri. The driver said the woman stayed for 20 minutes and was paid $180.

The next morning, investigators believe, the brothers Alshehri traveled 11 miles from the hotel to Boston's Logan International Airport and boarded a plane. Within an hour, that plane flew into the World Trade Center.

eliot_kleinberg@pbpost.com

clay_lambert@pbpost.com

NOTES:
Ran all editions.
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 03:56 PM
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24. Al Omari
Abdulaziz (the official hijacker) and Abdulrahman (still alive) are clearly two different persons: differenr age, living in Hollywood (Florida) or Vero Beach (Florida) unmarried and married so I think it's rather fair to assume that they also do look differently.
But now look at this:
While on the one hand the FBI had immediately the passport of Abdulaziz (found in Atta's bag that didn't make the connection in Boston) and they had a very close up video footage of Abdulaziz in Portland when he went to a cash machine on 910.
So given this how the hell is it possible that they assumed that the hijacker was Abdulrahman from Vero Beach???
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-05 04:04 PM
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25. Why does the Justice Departement
consider Abdulrahman from Vero Beach on September 17, 2001 still a hijacker??

Abdulrahman Alomari According to reports, Alomari arrived in Florida in July 2000 and told a neighbor he was a commercial pilot from Saudi Arabia in Vero Beach to attend Flight Safety Academy. Alomari, the neighbor said, told him he was moving back home by the end of August but didn't actually move out until Sept. 3. Alomari was aboard American Airlines Flight 11.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010918182240/http://abcnew...
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medienanalyse Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-13-05 06:29 AM
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26. If you ask why
you are invited to
- speculate or
- to stay without answer.

If you take the whole picture about the identification you get a speculative answer which is very close to hard proof.
There is no evidence (genetic, fingerprints, fotos etc ) for the alleged 19 to have entered the planes. Even the voices of "them" on the bits of "released" tapes are not to be identified.

But:
there is proof enough for double identities. For fake identities. For falsified passenger manifests. For FBI suppressing information, threatening people to tell what they know and so on.

If we look at one "hojacker" after the other (see i.e. my fight with the "Spiegel" in the file www.medienanalyse-international.de/spiegelmethoden.html ) or your findings about Atta or those about Hanjour NOTHING IS CLEAR. Except the conclusion that the existence of hijackers is unclear.

Most important is not to examine every "hijacker" in even more detail. This has been done sufficiently. It is not our side who has to prove identities. Those who allege the murderers must prove their allegation.

They have the possibilies by 11 corpses they have - out of 19. This is really a good base to do the job.

But I guess that a FBI and a CIA who are involved in a massmurder is unable to do such a simple thing.

Do not forget the Larsons. Passengers who were introduced without being alleged to be hijackers - but were on no plane at all. Do not forget the late introduction of hani as number 19. This only reveals how they were shovelling in the very first days to place identities, passenger numbers, some prepared red herrings and mix alll that neatly together. A lot of mistakes - but with willing media not interested in reality they succeeded. PNAC is going on.
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John Doe II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 10:08 AM
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27. Meet Abdulatif
And there is even another Al Omari who was suspected hijacker ...! See thread about the three Al Omaris.
And while Abdul Rahman and Abdulatif had the honour to be in the news on September 12 and 13 it took the "real" hijacker Abdulaziz it bit longer to manage to see the light of the media. The first accounts naming Abdulaziz date from September 14. The very day the FBI published their list of the 18 hijackers.
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