Given the Vreeland Thread : Link TV NOW has piece on nuclear terrorism

[seventhson]

after seeing this and watching the vreeland threads, it is making me jittery.

Does Bush want this???

[peacetalksforall]

1. Do you have a link?

[tlcandie]

3. Here it is...

http://www.linktv.org/programming/programDescription.php4?code=nuclear_terror

Also they have this link for some information on the areas they will be covering..

http://www.citizen.org/homelandsec/

[BeHereNow]

2. Well 911 allowed them to proceed

with the PNAC agenda, so we need to ask ourselves
what would an event like this allow them to do?
I think we are all nervous about it because we
know the answer to that question...
BHN

[sangh0]

15. "An event like this"? Like "what"?

According to GBnC, Vreeland han't said anything about the nature of the attack or who is pulling it off.

[H2O Man]

4. Thanks for posting this!

I turned it on too late, however, to see much. I'm sure LINK will have it on again. What did the program say?

[seventhson]

5. It said that we are more vulnerable than anyone in government admits

I assume it will play again.

It gave me the willies.

It also made me more convinced than ever that GB&C, BHN, Minstrel Boy and others did the right thing by making this story well known.

Media around the world now knows and that is critical.

If the BFEE Bushzis were to let such a thing happen then the whole world as we know it, once again, will be turned COMPLETELY upside down. Election postponed, for one thing, I would bet. and martial law.

Folks like us in camps or worse, in pits.

SO I hope Vreeland is a liar.

And if he is not a "total fraud" as described by people "in the know" supposedly - that the right people are paying attention to this.

Just think - if the story is true we MAY have saved the country.

OR

we may not have.

BUT at least we tried our damnedest.

[H2O Man]

6. Interesting ....

Did the program indicate that the risk was that a domestic source was the most likely source of such an attack, or that it would be more likely that a foreign entity would try to bring, for example, a dirty bomb into the country?

I think that it is a real possibility that such a terrible thing could happen, even within the United States, because of the amount of hatred and violence in the world. Different groups have the resources to purchase non-secured nuclear material from the former Soviet Union, or from other sources.

However, while those who subscribe to the LIHOP/MIHOP theories may believe that the Bush administration is the most likely source of such an attack in the USA, I think that many people would think that a foreign source that despises America would be more likely to do this. Did the program make any reference as to who they felt presented the greatest risk?

[seemslikeadream]

7. Thanks seventhson - Some past threads on Vreeland

if anyone would like to catch up

Man Who Says He Predicted Sept. 11 Attacks Arrested
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=924780&mesg_id=924780

Can someone post a CLEAR explanation of the Vreeland threat?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=23423&mesg_id=23423

Mike Vreeland
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=408139

A disturbing trend re: LIHOP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=355668
Lawyer quits terror cases after death threat
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=847147

"I saw papers that show US knew al-Qaeda would attack cities with planes"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1342532

Brief report from the Toronto 9/11 Citizens Inquiry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1685665

Indira Singh/PTech deep moles in FAA help accomplish 9/11! WTF??

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2203166

9-11 'Drills': Interview of Stanley Hilton, Sept 10, 2004
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2387342

bin Laden's money flow leads back to Midland, Texas
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=610051

Clarke just hinted strongly that Flight 93 on 9/11 was shot down...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1323210

The 9/11 whistleblowers-get-screwed data dump
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1293947

An atheist converted! I've seen the light!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1288172

LIHOP Doubters
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1275670

Don't miss Bush press conference clip re: 9/11 advance warning
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=918713



http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index-vreeland.html

VREELAND

12/14/03
Post-9/11, this doesn't seem all that weird
Rocco Galati quits.
Read Now

09/25/02
After a six month investigation, Guerrilla News Network breaks Sander Hicks' in-depth story on Delmart Vreeland. We're grateful to see Sander Hicks' story in print. Until Mike Ruppert's forthcoming book, "Crossing the Rubicon," is published, he will not make any comments on the Vreeland story unless there is a major breaking development. As Ruppert has noted before, "this story is not over."
Read Now

04-22-02
Briefing Paper, The Case for Bush Administration Foreknowledge of the Attacks of September 11th.
Read Now

04-9-02
An Open Letter From "Mike" Vreeland to David Corn of The Nation and Norman Solomon of FAIR.
Read Now

04-04-02
"Mike" Vreeland Speaks - 35 Questions and Answers from the US Navy Officer in Canada Who warned of the 9-11 Attacks
Read Now

03-15-02
DELMART "Mike" Vreeland in Safe House - All Canadian Charges Dropped - Temporary Refugee Status Granted
Read Now

03-14-02
Delmart "Mike" Vreeland ordered released from Toronto Jail in a surprise hearing while his attorneys were not present. The judge in the case publicly announced the address where Vreeland, the Naval officer who predicted 9-11 in a written warning, has been ordered to reside and announced curfew hours. The is the exact same pattern followed in the case of CIA operative and drug smuggler Barry Seal, gunned down by assassins in Baton Rouge Louisiana in 1986.
Read Now

03-03-02
Updates on the Mike Vreeland Story Naval Officer Who Gave Advance Warnings of 9-11 Attacked in Canadian Jail Canadian Government Resisting Attempts to Introduce Evidence In Extradition Hearings US and Canadian Positions Losing Credibility
Read Now

01-28-02
Dateline Toronto: The case of a US Navy officer jailed in Toronto exposes US government foreknowledge of the September 11th attacks. A call from open court to the Pentagon confirms rank, office number and telephone extension of Lt. Mike Vreeland who the Navy says was discharged as a Seaman in 1986. He wrote details of the 9-11 attacks in August!
Read Now

[seventhson]

8. A Veritable motherlode

or overload.

Frankly this story has exhausted me the last few days and the dangers are too frightening to "wrap my head around"

THAT is why I have made every effort to get this story to the right media people and folks close to intel issues.

The intel and media people who have responded are pretty much uniform in rejecting Vreeland as credible about anything.

But the fact that his former lawyer in Toronto says HE believes Vreeland WAS a US intel operative speaks volumes to the seriousness with which this story must be handled.

I feel bad for those who are frightened by this.

I hope it is JUST another flase alarm.

But my own belief is that we HAD to get this into the light of day as much as possible.

IMAGINE if someone on the "inside" had called someone here at DU prior to 9-11 and told us the WTC & Pentagon were going to be attacked aerially in "James Bond style" attacks (as James Hatfield had predicted before he was "suicided" in July 2001)

The BEST thing to have done would be to raise hell about it in the media and FORCE the government to investigate. MAYBE the hijackings could have been stopped and the whole world would have been different.

Better. Safer.

But suppose we were afraid to say anything necause it was too absurd, too crazy, too insane, too tin-foil hattish, too CT, and too scary to deal with.

HOW would we have felt when it had happened?

We would have felt like cowards.

We at DU are NOT cowards.

The risks from such disclosure and discussion are high. We end up high on the radar of those we fear (and those who protect us as well).

But it has to be done. It HAS to be done.

I honor GB&C, BHN, Minstrel Boy and all those who had the courage to speak the unspeakable and warn us even when it seems like a total nightmare fallacy.

[Beam Me Up]

11. Thanks Seems...Gee, get out of town for a few days and

you come back and don't know what the fk is going on. This will help.

:thumbsup:

[seemslikeadream]

24. Your very welcome beam_me_up

I appreciate the thanks. Just the other day for the first time I was trashed and told I knew nothing because I posted a link to the Vreeland story instead of trying to explain the whole thing, which I didn't have the time to do. I don't know, I've been posting links like that for 3 years, never happened to me before.

SLaD

[ima_sinnic]

26. UNFORTUNATELY those links are unavailable "until after E-day"

--according to the error message, due to heavy traffic archived threads are unavailable until after election day.

Did anybody happen to capture any of these threads somewhere else?

[Stephanie]

9. Remember Tuwaitha?

________________________________

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/10/20/cheney_suggests_possible_nuclear_biological_risks/?rss_id=Boston%20Globe%20--%20National%20News

Cheney suggests nuclear threats
By Andrew Welsh-Huggins, Associated Press | October 20, 2004

CARROLL, Ohio -- Vice President Dick Cheney yesterday raised the possibility of terrorists bombing US cities with nuclear weapons and questioned whether Senator John F. Kerry could combat such an ''ultimate threat . . . you've got to get your mind around."

'The biggest threat we face now as a nation is the possibility of terrorists ending up in the middle of one of our cities with deadlier weapons than have ever before been used against us -- biological agents or a nuclear weapon or a chemical weapon of some kind to be able to threaten the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans," Cheney said.

<snip>

Cheney, speaking to an invitation-only crowd as he began a bus tour through Republican strongholds in Ohio, said Kerry is trying to persuade voters he would be the same type of ''tough, aggressive" leader as President Bush in the fight against terrorism.

''I don't believe it," Cheney said. ''I don't think there's any evidence to support the proposition that he would, in fact, do it."
________________________________

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/6068775.htm
Looting of Iraqi nuclear facility indicts U.S. goals
If we feared the loss of radioactive materials, why not guard them?
Posted on Thu, Jun. 12, 2003
TRUDY RUBIN
Knight Ridder Newspapers

TUWAITHA, Iraq - On a dusty road, just outside of Baghdad, lies one of the great mysteries of the Iraq war.

<snip>

The administration knew full well what was stored at Tuwaitha. So how is it possible that the U.S. military failed to secure the nuclear facility until weeks after the war started? This left looters free to ransack the barrels, dump their contents, and sell them to villagers for storage.

How is it possible that, according to Iraqi nuclear scientists, looters are still stealing radioactive isotopes?

The Tuwaitha story makes a mockery of the administration's vaunted concern with weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. military hastened to secure the Ministry of Oil in Baghdad from looters. But Iraq's main nuclear facility was apparently not important enough to get similar protection.

<snip>

And why, in facilities other than Location C, is the looting apparently continuing?

Hisham Abdel Malik, a Iraqi nuclear scientist who lives near Tuwaitha and has been inside the complex, told me that in buildings "where there are radioactive isotopes, there is looting every day." He says the isotopes, which are in bright silver containers, "are sold in the black market or kept in homes." According to IAEA spokeswoman Melissa Fleming, such radioactive sources can kill on contact or pollute whole neighborhoods.
________________________________

http://nucnews.net/nucnews/2003nn/0307nn/030716nn.htm
U.N. in Dark About Looted Iraq Dirty Bomb Material
July 16, 2003
By Louis Charbonneau

<snip>

But an IAEA spokeswoman said the agency had not been permitted by U.S. occupation authorities to check the status of Tuwaitha's stocks of highly-radioactive cesium-137, cobalt-160 and other materials which could be used in dirty bombs.

"There were around 400 of these radioactive sources stored at Tuwaitha," IAEA's Melissa Fleming said.

Witnesses have said that villagers near Tuwaitha, especially children, have shown symptoms of radiation sickness.

"Any case of radiation sickness would probably be from these highly-radioactive sources, not from the low-grade natural uranium at Location C," Fleming said.

________________________________

[Karenina]

10. Kick!

:kick:

[maxsmom]

12. Another link to check out

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=365

[maxsmom]

13. forgive stupid questions

Do you all know about peak oil, and the connection to all that is happening? I'm new to this so I don't know what all you know.

[sangh0]

28. The only thing Peak Oil has to do with this "threat"

is that it's generally the same crowd pushing both.

[Kanary]

31. Hi Maxsmom!

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

Welcome to DU!

:toast:

Yes, there have been many discussions here about Peak Oil. Apparently the search function is down right now, but you can find the previous threads about it after the election.

Come to think of it....... I think right now is survival mode for just about everyone, so...... putting away the really heavy topics for right now doesn't seem like an altogether bad idea. ^_^

:hi:

Kanary

[Bluebear]

14. So do I visit Minneapolis this weekend or not???

This is the first I have heard of this, believe it or not.

[sangh0]

16. Go ahead

It's nothing more than a delusion

[northernsoul]

17. just as long as you come over to Saint Paul as well

We've got much better neighborhood pubs.

:beer:

The more I'm hearing from some of our resident tinfoillers, the more I'm convinced this story is the essence of fear-mongering hype.

[chimpy the poopthrower]

18. Can someone post a summary?

I don't see the point of starting dozens of threads about Vreeland. I'm not the only who has asked for summaries, but somehow no one has the time or inclination to post one. Too much information (when it is not organized) can be as bad as not enough information. If it's important enough to start threads about, it should be important enough to write a summary about in order to help people make heads and tails of this.

[sangh0]

19. "somehow no one has the time or inclination to post one"

If there truly was a threat, don't you think someone would have posted something simple and clear? Something along the lines of

GET THE F**K OUT OF TOWN - IT'S GONNA BE BLOWN UP!!!

Here's the summary - Someone is blowing smoke up your ass.

here's a link so you can see for yourself:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2539656

[chimpy the poopthrower]

20. I know.

I didn't want to express my own skepticism at first because I saw that your requests for summaries were treated with hostility. I wanted to ask as a disinterested party (and I really was trying to keep an open mind). But since no one can even state simply what this is all about, I think it's pretty obvious it's all smoke and mirrors. I just hope no DUers in MN are really taking this seriously.

You know, years ago when the Whitewater "scandal" came out, I knew it was all BS. Wanna know how? Because no one could explain it simply. They talked about it and talked about it, but no one actually said anything of substance.

[sangh0]

21. Even today, no one can tell you what was wrong with it

but they're sure it was wrong.

[chimpy the poopthrower]

22. And isn't it funny...

That the ones pushing this story don't seem the least bit concerned with warning people about an attack they supposedly believe is true? All they care about is their own hurt feelings and defending what they see as attacks on their credibility. If I had inside information that some city in the US was in danger, I would report it to the authorities. And if I thought the authorities weren't taking the threat seriously, I would spread the word any way I could. My main objective would be to prevent the loss of lives by getting the word out so that people could take proper precautions. The fact that these posters are not doing the same shows that either they don't believe their own stories or they care more about their own egos than scores of innocent potential victims.

[sangh0]

23. I have a link to a thread

where the thread-starter promises to SHOUT THIS FROM THE ROOFTOPS

Maybe that's why he's being so quiet on DU. He's busy up on some rooftop.

[lovuian]

25. October 27th Blood Moon Lunar Eclipse at 11pm

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/13oct_lunareclipse.htm

Plus the Stockmarket today
Dow 9,888.48 +138.49 (+1.42%)
Nasdaq 1,928.79 +14.75 (+0.77%)
S&P 500 1,111.09 +16.29 (+1.49%)


Maybe its me but those numbers are interesting
Especially the S&P

[sangh0]

27. hmmm

Did you post in the wrong thread, or am I just in need of a clue?

[lovuian]

29. Mall of America Vs Mall of Arabia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mall_of_Arabia

Did you know Mall of America is the Largest Mall in the World but soon to lose its title to Mall of Arabia in 2007

Interesting fact for the day!!!

[Heddi]

30. sooooo

wouldn't it be more...prudent....to destroy the mall of Arabia to preserve the "world's largest mall" title for Mall of America....rather than destroying the Mall of America and the cities surrounding it?

or am I just not getting the Mall of America/Mall of Arabia/Twin Towers/Twin C---- connection?

[lovuian]

32. Mall of America was Built on the Twins Old Stadium

Twins have a significant symbolism associated with 9/11

[wordout]

33. Thanks lovuian

have you seen this?

http://chezjacq.com/50_quarters/images/coins/25-minnesota.htm

[lovuian]

34. Nope but it goes with the Hunters Moon

The Hunter looking for his prey!!! Another thing is the Numbers are really interesting Highway 77 is close by...

and 27 if reversed would 72

Minnesota became the 32nd state on May 11 1858

[yodermon]

35. Hate to nitpick

(well not really, else I wouldn't be doing it :)
but the largest mall in the world is currently the West Edmonton Mall in Edmonton, Alberta.
http://www.westedmall.com/about/default.asp

Soon to be overtaken by the Mall of Arabia, as you said.
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Shopping_mall

The Mall of America is the largest mall in the US.
http://www.mallofamerica.com/about_the_mall/

:hi: