The real 9/11 investigation. Prepare to be shocked...

[grandg]

This is not about no planes hitting the Pentagon. Not about a missile or missile pod or a flash or even a remote controlled airplane.

This is about what happened on 9-11. It is the most shocking and in-depth indictment that I have seen showing FBI and Saudi government involvement in 9-11.
http://www.madcowprod.com/GnG/ShaikhII.html

It is a quick read, just make sure you catch all the facts. This is what the 9-11 truth people need, not garbage from those trying to quick buck off a light reflection. see this if you believed the pod in 'Plane Site'
http://www.guardiansofmartincounty.com/dear_david_von_kleist.htm

peace

[RebelYell]

1. Getting my glasses out for this one......thanks, grandg n/t

[grandg]

2. you're welcome here is

another link:

http://www.madcowmorningnews.com/GnG/Shaikh.html

http://www.madcowmorningnews.com/GnG/ShaikhII.html

[RebelYell]

3. This is interesting:

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SD Union Tribune:

Graham also discusses at length the congressional investigators' unsuccessful attempts to question the FBI informant, identified as Abdussattar Shaikh, a retired professor and community leader from Lemon Grove.

FBI officials would not deliver a congressional subpoena to Shaikh… The FBI also failed to give Shaikh, whom Graham said had been relocated by the FBI, a list of written questions from the investigators until he had hired a prominent attorney with ties to the Justice Department. The attorney demanded immunity from prosecution for Shaikh, which the congressional intelligence committees refused to grant, so the questions went unanswered.



FBI Agent Steven Butler

Institute for Public Affairs, September 29, 2003:

Abdussattar Shaikh… was… in regular contact with a terrorism case officer in the bureau's San Diego office.

The San Diego Union-Tribune:

He said he met FBI Agent Steve Butler – whom sources have identified as Shaikh's "handler" – about eight years ago.

The New York Times:

Several officials said the F.B.I… would not authorize the agent who was his contact to testify…

US News and World Report December 9, 2002:

Government officials told U.S. News that Butler disclosed that he had been monitoring a flow of Saudi Arabian money that wound up in the hands of two of the 9/11 hijackers.

U.S. News & World Report December 9, 2002:

According to officials familiar with his account, Butler said that he had alerted his superiors about the money flows…

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http://www.madcowprod.com/GnG/ShaikhII.html

[RebelYell]

4. This too

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Knight Ridder:

Graham wrote that the staff of the congressional inquiry concluded that two Saudis in the San Diego area, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassan, who gave significant financial support to two hijackers, were working for the Saudi government.

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San Diego Union Tribune, September 8, 2004:

Al-Bayoumi helped the future hijackers get settled in San Diego and, Graham said, his income from Saudi sources rose significantly during their stay in the area.

" . . . That increase came from two sources, a Saudi government contractor and a member of the Saudi royal family. From these two sources, al-Bayoumi was funneled in excess of $40,000 above his usual salary – somewhere between one-sixth and one-twelfth the estimated total amount needed to fund the September 11 attacks," Graham wrote.

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I saw a program on PBS that my neighbor taped and insisted I watch. It was about Saudi Arabia. Joe Biden was interviewed, he said that the US gov't is telling the Saudis to either become democratic or we would make life difficult for them. That gives the Saudis motive.

Another thought - why didn't the FBI act on their information about these men? Following them around was enough? Weren't there terrorism laws that could be used to take them down? WTF were they thinking?

[RebelYell]

5. Here's the Riggs Bank connection

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Newsweek December 2, 2002, U.S. Edition:

About two months after al-Bayoumi began aiding Alhazmi and Almihdhar, NEWSWEEK has learned, al-Bayoumi's wife began receiving regular stipends, often monthly and usually around $2,000, totaling tens of thousands of dollars. The money came in the form of cashier's checks, purchased from Washington's Riggs Bank by Princess Haifa bint Faisal, the daughter of the late King Faisal and wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi envoy who is a prominent Washington figure and personal friend of the Bush family. The checks were sent to a woman named Majeda Ibrahin Dweikat, who in turn signed over many of them to al-Bayoumi's wife (and her friend), Manal Ahmed Bagader…

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[seemslikeadream]

8. Exclusive: New Questions About Saudi Money—and Bandar

Eric Draper / The White House

Exclusive: New Questions About Saudi Money—and Bandar
The White House is monitoring a joint FBI-Treasury Department probe into wire transfers overseas by Saudi ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan, pictured with the president in August 2002
By Michael Isikoff
Investigative Correspondent
NewsweekApril 12 issue - A federal investigation into the bank accounts of the Saudi Embassy in Washington has identified more than $27 million in "suspicious" transactions—including hundreds of thousands of dollars paid to Muslim charities, and to clerics and Saudi students who are being scrutinized for possible links to terrorist activity, according to government documents obtained by NEWSWEEK. The probe also has uncovered large wire transfers overseas by the Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin Sultan. The transactions recently prompted the Saudi Embassy's longtime bank, the Riggs Bank of Washington, D.C., to drop the Saudis as a client after embassy officials were "unable to provide an explanation that was satisfying," says a source familiar with the discussions.



A Saudi spokesman strongly denied that any embassy funds were used to support terrorism and said Bandar chose to pull the embassy's accounts out of Riggs. The Saudis point out that an earlier FBI probe into embassy funds that were moved to alleged associates of the 9/11 hijackers has not led to any charges. The current probe, by the FBI and Treasury Department, is one of the most sensitive financial inquiries now being conducted by the government and is being closely monitored by the White House. The federal commission investigating 9/11 was also recently briefed on developments, sources say. U.S. officials stress that they have identified no evidence of any knowing Saudi aid to terrorist groups. But they express frustration at their inability to penetrate a number of large and seemingly irregular transactions. "There's a lot of money moving in a lot of directions—maybe not all that carefully," said one senior law-enforcement official. "Everyone wants to get to the bottom of it."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4661093

Hijacked bank

Questions also remain regarding the web of money transfers from Princess Haifa, Prince Bandar and the daughter of late King Faisal, some of which reached Nawaf Alhazmi and fellow terrorist Khalid Almihdar.Princess Haifa's bank account--the source of the funds which ultimately supported the alleged hijackers--was with Riggs Bank where Jonathan J. Bush, the brother of former President George H. W. Bush and uncle of President George W. Bush, is CEO, President and Director of Riggs' investment management subsidiary.

snip

After Al Bayoumi fled the U.S. to England in July, 2001--two months before the attacks, Princess Haifa's Riggs Bank checks were then sent to Osama Basnan, who with his wife Majeda Dweikat, were both later to be found in the U.S. illegally as a result of poor or suspicious State Department visa supervision.

Former FBI linguist Sibel Edmonds said she found evidence of espionage in both the State Department and the FBI in pre-9/11 translations of intelligence intercepts--which also warned about planes used as weapons well before the attacks.A federal law enforcement source said Basnan was a known "al-Qaeda sympathizer" who "celebrated the heroes of September 11" at a party after the attacks and openly talked about "what a wonderful, glorious day it had been," according to Newsweek.

Al Bayoumi and Basnan both befriended Alhazmi and fellow Saudi hijacker Khalid Almihdar after they arrived in San Diego, according to the sources; and the Riggs checks from Prince Bandar's wife helped the terroists pay rent and living expences in the months just prior to the attacks, according to reports. Newsweek said Al Bayoumi helped them obtain social security cards and helped them arrange for flying lessons in Florida--indicating dramatic evidence of the state of congressional internal security oversight.

Basnan was convicted of visa fraud and deported to Saudi Arabia on November 17, 2002. His wife Majida Ibrahim--who had also laundered checks from Riggs Bank--was deported the same day to her native Jordan for visa violations. (Washington Post, 9-24, 2002) Reasons were not given why the White House allowed the high profile suspects to leave the country on charges much less important than being implicated as an accessory to mass murder.

more
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=53


Pinochet's account was also mentioned in the recent WSJ article on Riggs. Interesting that the possible new mercs, according to today's African newspaper story, are Chilean.


Bush, the Saudi billionaire and the Islamists: the story a British firm is


MUST SEE: stories on Riggs National Bank -- note links to 2 of 19 hijackers in San Diego through wire transfer from Saudi Arabia. Jonathon Bush, George W. Bush's uncle, is a top official within the bank and the Motley suit brought by the 9/11 families has issued a subpoena of the bank's records. -KFH


Articles / Current News about 9-11
Date: Apr 02, 2004 - 04:25 PM
Publication of book cancelled as libel laws blamed for stifling free speech
David Leigh -- Wednesday March 31, 2004 -- The Guardian

A book investigating links between rich Saudis and US politicians has been suppressed by the giant publishing firm Random House because, it says, of growing "libel tourism" by wealthy foreigners, and exorbitant legal "success fees".

Libel lawyers are stifling free speech, the deputy chairman of Random House, Simon Master, said yesterday.

The UK publication of House of Bush, House of Saud, by the American writer Craig Unger, has been cancelled because Secker and Warburg, a Random House subsidiary, says it can no longer afford such risks.

The book focuses in part on the activities of a Jeddah-based Saudi billionaire, Khalid bin Mahfouz, who has been engaged in a war of words in the US, where there have been public accusations by officials linking him and others to funding received by Osama bin Laden.

more
http://www.911citizenswatch.org/print.php?sid=176

A Fantastic Tale Turkey, Drugs, Faustian Alliances & Sibel Edmonds
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=655980

I just really like this one
State Dept. Quashed 9/11 Links To Global Drug Trade
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=610235

Bush's Uncle BUSTED !!!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1671656

Aafia Siddiqui (part of yesterday's terror alert)
Siddiqui, included in yesterday's scaremongering, lived with two people involved in Saudi transactions via Riggs.

Fleet also spotted suspicious money transfers totaling $20,000 from the Saudi government's armed forces account to a man who lived in the same Boston apartment as Siddiqui. His name is Abdullah Al Reshood and he has been questioned by the FBI, according to a source.

Reshood wrote a $20,000 check to another Saudi, Hatem Al Dhahri, who then wired $17,193 back to an account in Saudi Arabia controlled by Reshood. Al Dhahri lived at the same address as Siddiqui, Fleet noted in its report.

The Newsweek report also highlighted the role of Riggs Bank in Washington, D.C., in the transactions from Saudi Arabia. Riggs never filed any suspicious activity reports with the U.S. Treasury, prompting an investigation.

The Riggs accounts, according to Newsweek, showed a number of checks sent to flight schools and flight school students in the United States.

http://theedge.bostonherald.com/tvNews/view.bg?articleid=483&format=

:hi: RebelYell

[graphixtech]

6. "International Citizens’ Inquiry Into 9/11" (Three phases)

PHASE ONE (March 26-28th, San Francisco)
http://www.deceptiondollar.com/Inquiry911.htm


PHASE TWO (May 25-30, Toronto)
http://911inquiry.org/

PHASE THREE (Ongoing, New York City)

http://www.summeroftruth.org/

[grandg]

7. Is this SPAM?

Yes I believe everything that the posterboy of the 911 Inquiry, Dr John Gray, has to say.

Especially the part about how we should 'forgive' the US government.

Here is a little passage from Gray's speech at the 911 TORONTO 'Inquiry' (you know John Gray, the author of Men are from Mars, Women Venus:

Question from an audience member:
"John, in conclusion of your speech, I understood you to
say that we could heal ourselves by forgiving the government
for letting the terrorists commit the attacks. My question to
you is what makes you believe this long after 9/11 that
the terrorists who committed the attacks weren't within
the U.S. government?"

John Gray's Answer:
"I've written several books on forgiveness, and whenever anybody
talks about forgiveness they always think, it's like if you have a good excuse, then I forgive you. Like, let's say I'm late for dinner, my wife's upset with me, and I say, but honey there was a fire on the bridge and I rescued a child, and she say's oh, okay, that's a great excuse, I forgive you. That's not what forgiveness is. That means she doesn't need to forgive me because I have a great excuse. The government doesn't have a great excuse. These are murderers. The people we really need to forgive are the Congress that allowed them to do it, because they know a lot of the details. And they're kind of like on the edge and they don't know ALL the information. So finding forgiveness for a government doesn't mean that you say that they had good reasons for it. They didn't have good reasons for it, they're killers and there's murderers and there's a few of them, there's not a whole lot of them. So, we want to forgive the whole government because they were fooled just like we've been fooled. And for those people we forgive them as mentally ill and we put them away and we make a big show of it. I would personally like to even, I'm always out of the box a little bit, but I think that I would like to make a big show of it and demonstrate through brain scans the problems with their brains. My research in the last 10 years is about brain research, WTdifferences between men and women and brain research. And I bet every penny I have that if we could do live brain scans, that these men who run that will have very inactive prefrontal cortex which is associated with people, and this is a fact, there's people who can't feel happy unless there's violence in front of them, unless they're dropping bombs. And let me give you one brief example of that, in America, I know the statistics there, 1 out of 5 boys, 1 out of a 100 girls, and 1 out of 5 boys is taking Ritalin for ADD symptoms, which is an inactive prefrontal cortex. But, you put 'em on a videogame with bombs and immediately the brain starts producing more dopamine which is pleasure and their brain begins functioning in a cogent, clear way. So what happens is these are smart guys, some of them, some of them aren't (George Bush), but they're smart guys, but they're unable to experience pleasure in their lives without some sort of stimulation. And I believe that before anybody could ever be
elected to a high authority position that we should do brain scans on their brains, make sure that their brain chemicals are normal because these people don't have normal brain chemicals."

IS THIS GUY FOR REAL?

Oh yes, I love these 911 Inquiries. Of course they are not co-opted by disinfo specialists... in fact much of the internet is the same way, not to sound paranoid or anything.

peace

[Minstrel Boy]

9. I was very disappointed by the Toronto inquiry

There were some very valuable contributions - Chossudovsky, Ruppert, Tarpley and Paul Thompson, for instance - but overall, very weak in content; very little actual inquiring, or examination of evidence or core issues. Overall, it had the air of a Trekkie convention.

John Gray's participation - I purposefully skipped his session - was a huge black eye to the organizers.

Here's a thought: instead of the likes of Gray, how about a panel featuring whistleblowers and witnesses, such as Sibel Edmonds, Michael Springman, Amanda Keller, Randy Glass? I mean, if we're serious, let's act like it.

[seemslikeadream]

10. Classified Letters Regarding FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds

>>> The following three letters were recently declared classified, even though they had been considered unclassified since their creation in summer and fall 2002. They regard Sibel Edmonds, the former FBI translator who charges that the FBI's translation service 1) is incompetent and corrupt and 2) received specific warnings about 9/11 before the attacks.

As one step to gag her, the Justice Department refused to let her testify at a civil trial regarding 9/11, invoking the rarely-used "state secret" privilege. Meanwhile, the FBI refused to give Edmonds documents concerning herself, which she requested under FOIA (a court upheld the FBI's refusal). Then the FBI retroactively classified its congressional briefings about Edmonds, including any material resulting from those briefings.

This means that three letters written by Senators Leahy and Grassley are now classified. The first two have been pulled off the Senators' websites, although the third one inexplicably remains online . Edmonds and the Project on Government Oversight have launched separate lawsuits challenging this retroactive classification.

All three letters are reproduced below.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/spy/edmonds_letters.htm


FBI Employee Blows Whistle on Suspicious Activities by Coworker
http://www.thememoryhole.org/spy/edmonds.htm


Former CIA official looks to leak the truth
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=886884&mesg_id=886884

A Q&A with Fred Whitehurst, the first FBI whistleblower to go public
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x887396

[RebelYell]

11. Good stuff, Seems

:hi:

The pieces of the puzzle are coming together, we need to be careful about disinfo. I've never believed the pod or missle theories.

When I saw Biden on the PBS program, he was very adamant about our threat to the Saudis. I find it hard to believe the Saudis wouldn't use oil and their investments against us, if indeed we put pressure on them to democratize. The Saudi people want change, but they said it needs to happen slowly. Of course, the royals are fighting change and want to keep the status quo. The people say they're on the holiest land of the entire world, and want to preserve tradition. They're afraid of a McDonald's on every corner. Can't blame them for that!

MB, I think that's a great idea about the whistleblowers. Any idea on how we could help that happen?

[seemslikeadream]

12. Michael Springman

PALAST: In the eight weeks since the attacks, over 1,000 suspects and potential witnesses have been detained. Yet, just days after the hijackers took off from Boston aiming for the Twin Towers, a special charter flight out of the same airport whisked 11 members of Osama Bin Laden's family off to Saudi Arabia. That did not concern the White House. Their official line is that the Bin Ladens are above suspicion - apart from Osama, the black sheep, who they say hijacked the family name. That's fortunate for the Bush family and the Saudi royal household, whose links with the Bin Ladens could otherwise prove embarrassing. But Newsnight has obtained evidence that the FBI was on the trail of other members of the] Bin Laden family for links to terrorist organisations before and after September 11th. This document is marked "Secret". Case ID - 199-Eye WF 213 589. 199 is FBI code for case type. 9 would be murder. 65 would be espionage. 199 means national security. WF indicates Washington field office special agents were investigating ABL - because of it's relationship with the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, WAMY - a suspected terrorist organisation. ABL is Abdullah Bin Laden, president and treasurer of WAMY. This is the sleepy Washington suburb of Falls Church, Virginia where almost every home displays the Stars and Stripes. On this unremarkable street, at 3411 Silver Maple Place, we located the former home of Abdullah and another brother, Omar, also an FBI suspect. It's conveniently close to WAMY. The World Assembly of Muslim Youth is in this building, in a little room in the basement at 5613 Leesburg Pike. And here, just a couple blocks down the road at 5913 Leesburg, is where four of the hijackers that attacked New York and Washington are listed as having lived. The US Treasury has not frozen WAMY's assets, and when we talked to them, they insisted they are a charity. Yet, just weeks ago, Pakistan expelled WAMY operatives. And India claimed that WAMY was funding an organisation linked to bombings in Kashmir. And the Philippines military has accused WAMY of funding Muslim insurgency. The FBI did look into WAMY, but, for some reason, agents were pulled off the trail.

TRENTO: The FBI wanted to investigate these guys. This is not something that they didn't want to do - they wanted to, they weren't permitted to.

PALAST: The secret file fell into the hands of national security expert, Joe Trento. The Washington spook-tracker has been looking into the FBI's allegations about WAMY.

TRENTO: They've had connections to Osama Bin Laden's people. They've had connections to Muslim cultural and financial aid groups that have terrorist connections. They fit the pattern of groups that the Saudi royal family and Saudi community of princes - the 20,000 princes - have funded who've engaged in terrorist activity. Now, do I know that WAMY has done anything that's illegal? No, I don't know that. Do I know that as far back as 1996 the FBI was very concerned about this organisation? I do.

PALAST: Newsnight has uncovered a long history of shadowy connections between the State Department, the CIA and the Saudis. The former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah is Michael Springman.

MICHAEL SPRINGMAN: In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence.

PALAST: By now, Bush Sr, once CIA director, was in the White House. Springman was shocked to find this wasn't visa fraud. Rather, State and CIA were playing "the Great Game".

SPRINGMAN: What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets. The attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 did not shake the State Department's faith in the Saudis, nor did the attack on American barracks at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia three years later, in which 19 Americans died. FBI agents began to feel their investigation was being obstructed. Would you be surprised to find out that FBI agents are a bit frustrated that they can't be looking into some Saudi connections?
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=104&row=1

A Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC)
Interview with Michael Springman
exposes CIA Links to Osama bin Laden
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CBC201A.html
Michael Springman
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Michael_Springman

Interview of Michael Springman,
Former Consulate officer in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Where 15 of the 19 Terrorist Hijackers Obtained Visas
Alex Jones Radio Show
May 1, 2002
Partial Transcript

AJ: And so when you get back to the states, I mean, how did your career progress? When did you finally get back and talk to the folks and find all of this out?

MS: Well I found it out after State had terminated my appointment. In fact, I had filed a series of Freedom of Information Act requests to find out exactly why State terminated me. I was never given any real reason other than the basic, bureaucratic business about well you just simply don’t measure up, fella.

AJ: So, they tell you in no uncertain terms, hey buddy, grease the skids, we want an open spigot on whoever we want coming through here to the U.S. out of Saudi Arabia, with our good little buddies over there - terror-funding central. And, again correct me if any of this is not accurate. And then you don’t play ball and then they kick you out. You get back to the U.S., when did you start asking questions and finding more out from these individuals you mentioned earlier.

MS: It started, I guess, after I was out of the State Department in ’91 and I guess in ’92 and ’93, I started hearing from the journalists and from the two guys who knew more about what was going on there than I did.

AJ: And, in more detail, what did these individuals in the government positions, what did they tell you?

MS: Well, they pretty much said, flat out, that the agency was bringing these people over for terrorist training. And that they wanted junior officers in the visa section with little or no supervision so that these people would sail on through. Or, if they did question them and did try to go by the Immigration and Nationality Act and the State Department’s own regulations, they could be bounced out if it would appease these guys or (if they were) not with the program, they don’t understand about the Foreign Service, they’re not cooperative, they are not diplomatic, etc. And, as I told people, okay so these guys were wrong. I misinterpreted what they were saying, why has State Department stonewalled me in my request for information all these years? And what was the real reason these guys got visas? Because if there is anything that the State Department fears, truly is that someone gets a visa that shouldn’t get one. There are afraid of visa fraud, afraid of under the table payments. They periodically yank local staff and Foreign Service officers out and prosecute them for doing things like this.
http://www.911review.org/Wget/www.infowars.com/transcripts/springman2.htm

CIA complicit on September 11?

An interview with Michael Springman exposes the CIA's links with the terrorist attacks on September 11

Dateline: Saturday, January 19, 2002
http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/STRAIGHT%20GOODS_CIA's%20links%20with%20the%20terrorist%20attacks%20on%20September%2011.htm


EVIDENCE BUILDS - ACT NOW TO PREVENT A COVER UP & WAR:

- US government agent claims the CIA has been dealing with Bin Laden since 1987, and he suggests in his interview that the terrorist acts of late may well have been planned and paid for by the CIA with US taxpayers money to enable the Bush Administration to "legitimately" bomb Afghanistan into submission.

An interview with Michael Springman exposes the CIA's links with the terrorist attacks on September 11

-Insider Trading profits off the 9-11 terrrror don't lead to Osama Bin Laden, but to AB Brown Trust, until recently chaired by the 3rd highest man in the CIA.
9-11 Insider Trading
Profits of Death - Insider Trading and 9-11
The CIA, Insider Trading and the WTC Terror Attack
The 'long list' of stories concerning insider trading before September 11th
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:3bn2Qvo0zf4J:www.stormbringer.tv/misc/gov/wtc911/911investigation.html+%22Michael+Springman%22&hl=en

CNN NEWSFLASH : Mr. bush shall be destroyed by the truly brave, strong, and free!!!

2) A leaked FBI document, 199I WF213589, outlined disgust at a Bush administration directive that
succeeded in blocking anti-terrorism investigations related to the bin Laden family and Saudi charities that
were front groups for Al-Qaeda.

Bush ordered the FBI to "back off" Abdullah bin Laden and the World Association of Muslim Youth, a known
terror smokescreen outfit. In their own education pamphlets, WAMY extol the virtues and ideals of Osama
bin Laden. Bush ensured they were protected prior to September 11th.

Special FBI Agent Robert Wright later testified that he had been threatened to discontinue his anti-terrorist
investigations under the same program.

Another startling revelation in the same reports concerned the American Visa Bureau in Jeddah, Saudi
Arabia. Its former head, Michael Springman, was ordered to issue visas to Al-Qaeda members so they could
participate in terrorist training run by Osama bin Laden and the CIA.

Sources - BBC - Times of India - United Press International - Michael Springman Interview
more
http://www.gn.apc.org/news/oldwwwboard/messages/27.html

[Minstrel Boy]

13. seems, you're a dream!

Thanks for all that. :toast:

I've always thought Springman's been overlooked, even by those who don't want to overlook stuff.

He was interviewed by CBC radio on January 19, 2002. It can be heard here (or it could; I hope the link still works): http://radio.cbc.ca/programs/dispatches/audio/020116_springman.rm.

The 20-year veteran of the State Department claims his decisions to deny visas to unqualified applicants were frequently overturned for "national security reasons." In the interview, he says he was told the CIA was working with bin Laden through the Jeddah office as a channel to send al Qaeda recruits to the United States for training as terrorists. He says this partnership didn't end with the expulsion of the Soviets from Afghanistan, and continued as late as September 11, 2001. He objected, and of course, he lost his job. He's practicing law in NYC now, I hear.

So, why would the CIA be helping bin Laden send terrorists into the US after the Soviet defeat? Springman: "It's only a few thousand dead, and what's that against the greater gain for the United States in the Middle East?" And those who died on September 11 "may have been sacrificed in order to further wider US geopolitical objectives."

[grandg]

14. I believe the Springman and Palast info is good, but

it is not nearly enough evidence to prove any sort complicity by high level officials in 911. To be an accomplice to the 9-11 crime, you must be involved with the exact perpetrators. Just because someone authorized this or that 10 yrs ago, or even a year ago would offer nothing but circumstantial evidence. There must be specific connections between specific individuals which can be manifested and proven in a court. By simply offering conjecture, like well it could have caused the hijackers to enter the US so Springman is a smoking gun, is not the most fruitful way to spend ones time if trying to find things out about 911.

What needs to be examined is the who, what and where regarding the specifics of the 911 plot.

all this really does is cloud the issue, and allows people to make excuses for what happened. Yet people at the highest levels of government were complicit in the events of 911 and nobody really talks about that.

Take for example the Chief Military Attache for the Moroccan Embassy in Washington D.C., Col. Ahmed Arara. Arara is one of the top five most powerful people in Morocca, traveling with the King's entourage to meet people like Rumsfeld. And Arara was intimately involved with 911. Read another article by Hopsicker and you will find this out:

http://www.madcowprod.com/mc6412004.html

peace

[RebelYell]

15. Here's Hopsicker's latest interview by Fintan Dunne

http://www.breakfornews.com/

[grandg]

16. on top of it again rebel

[RebelYell]

18. Email from Hopsicker this morning

An urgent communication from:
Daniel Hopsicker


Friends of the MadCowMorningNews,

In five years of investigating officially-sanctioned drug smuggling, arms dealing and the Mob and Intel-led financial fraud which inevitably swirl around both, I have only communicated through my investigative journalism.

That’s the way it should be. I’m a writer and an investigative reporter, not a social activist. (I did my duty in that regard back during the Vietnam War, when I led a student strike against the Vietnam War while a student at UCLA.)

But with the recent discovery that Mike Ruppert thinks its all right to take money from people we've been investigating for over five years, that now needs to change.

The 'pod people,' the Pentagon missile theorists, and 9/11 Armchair Adventurers are trying to take over and subvert any real 9/11 investigation.

We're not going to let them. But we need help--financial, moral, & strategic. Because the playing field has changed...


Standing in the shadows behind Michael C. Ruppert and his phony 9/11 'Truth Movement' is a money man who owes everything he has to Adnan Khashoggi and a company incorporated by Barry Seal’s attorney, Michael Roy Fugler... yes, the very same man who is currently suing us (three years after "Barry & the 'boys' came out) for 'emotional distress.'

If you believe in the tooth fairy, you might believe this is just a coincidence.


It is, instead, the shoddy tradecraft of third rate wanna-be's too incompetent to qualify for more-glamorous posting. 'White Noise' from this sponsored disinformation campaign (see our current series of stories) designed to drown out real revelations, like the ones in "Welcome the Terrorland," the first full-length investigative look into Mohamed Atta and his terrorist thugs in Florida, backed up by official court documents, eyewitness accounts... Facts.


Facts both big and small: Mohamed Atta dressed like a Mobster, wore gold jewelry, had a stripper girlfriend, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US., drank daily, did cocaine, had seven close German associates in Florida, sent regular emails to a list which included people working for U.S. Defense Dept. contractors...much more.

The effort is led by the “Saudi Genesis” companies created by Khashoggi underlings to spam Americans wherever they could find them. There's an infomercial division; author and speaker bureau; even a guy named “Larry."


"Larry James - Internet secrets revealed! Larry reveals what he considers to be the most important key to shameless self-promotion on the Internet. This article has loads of shameless examples! This article appears in the book, "Confessions of Shameless Internet Promoters."

Sound like anybody you know?

We accept the challenge of defeating this campaign. The Truth is a powerful ally. But we need help. Advice. Expertise. Financing. And a boost in sales to allow a targeted response.

I'm old-fashioned enough to find asking for help uncomfortable.. But if you find our work valuable, please support us now by buying another book, a video, a book AND a video, donate money, anything.

Use our 800 number ( 800.556.2012 ) Or order from the MadCowMorningNews at www.madcowprod.com.

We have major improvements coming, airing a lot more video, including our 2-hour interview with Amanda Keller, Mohamed Atta’s erstwhile American girlfriend, and new resource like this detailed briefing on the San Diego terror ring and why the FBI’s protecting it. (story here)

We will not be drowned out by bullshit artists.

We have not yet begun to fight.

best,

Daniel Hopsicker
www.MadCowProd.com

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19. grandg - please post the email

in the general discussion thread. I couldn't find it. Thanks.

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17. 911 Citizen's Inquiry - hindsight is 20/20

There are always things that can be improved, but imo, this was a valiant effort by well meaning citizen volunteers.

From what I witnessed, attendees's perspectives of the Inquiry varied greatly.
I spoke with many people there, and was surprised to hear completely
different interpretations.

(btw, The Canadians whom I spoke with were all wonderfully gracious,
tolerant and intellegent. Would that those traits were contagious to their
southern neighbors . . . )

http://911inquiry.org/

I found four photo albums from the Inquiry events here:
http://911inquirytoronto.digitalstyledesigns.com/May%2029-31/index.htm