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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 01:59 AM
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"The match is about to begin" and "Tomorrow is zero hour."
By 7:30 in the morning on that June day in 2002 when Cheney called Graham, the chairmen and ranking members of the Senate and House Intelligence committees met in a secure room in the Capitol. They discussed how to prevent fallout from the administration's threat that they could not be trusted with classified information. Present at the meeting were Graham, Goss, Shelby, and Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, then the ranking Democrat on the House panel. Senior aides were excluded.

The four lawmakers emerged from their meeting and told their staffs that they had decided to take the unprecedented step of requesting the Justice Department to conduct a criminal inquiry into whether they, any other members of their committees, or their aides were responsible for leaking the NSA intercepts to the media.

A key participant in the events recalled in an interview: "It was a hastily made decision, made out of a sense of panic... and by people with bleary eyes."

Another person involved recalled: "There was a real concern that any meaningful oversight by Congress was very much at stake. The political dynamic back then -- not that long after September 11 -- was completely different. They took Cheney's threats very seriously."

Graham said, "Looking back at it, I think we were clearly set up by Dick Cheney and the White House. They wanted to shut us down. And they wanted to shut down a legitimate congressional inquiry that might raise questions in part about whether their own people had aggressively pursued Al Qaeda in the days prior to the September 11 attacks. The vice president attempted to manipulate the situation, and he attempted to manipulate us." Graham added: "But if his goal was to get us to back off, he was unsuccessful."

Graham said that Goss shared his concerns. In 2003, according to Graham, he speculated to Goss that the White House had set them up in an effort to sabotage the joint September 11 congressional inquiry. Graham says that Goss responded: "I often wondered that myself."



ON RECORD: U.S. Senator & CIA Chief Implicate Cheney in 9/11 Cover-up!! Look!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=220174&mesg_id=220174


224209, here is an article about Graham & Glass..thanks OMMMMMMMMM!!
Posted by flyarm on Fri Feb-16-07 12:43 AM

from my files..from Paul Thompson's timeline...fly

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=1000#a0801glass


Early August 2001: Government Informant Warns Congressmen of Plan to Attack the WTC
Randy Glass. Randy Glass, a former con artist turned government informant, later will claim that he contacts the staff of Senator Bob Graham and Representative Robert Wexler at this time and warns them of a plan to attack the WTC, but his warnings are ignored. Glass also tells the media at this time that his recently concluded informant work has “far greater ramifications than have so far been revealed,” and, “potentially, thousands of lives at risk.” Glass was a key informant in a sting operation involving ISI agents who were illegally trying to purchase sophisticated US military weaponry in return for cash and heroin. He later claims that in July 1999, one ISI agent named Rajaa Gulum Abbas pointed to the WTC and said, “Those towers are coming down.” Most details apparently remain sealed. For instance Glass will claim that his sealed sentencing document dated June 15, 2001, lists threats against the WTC and Americans. Florida State Senator Ron Klein, who had dealings with Glass before 9/11, later will say he is surprised it took so many months for the US to listen to Glass: “Shame on us.” Klein will recall getting a warning from Glass, though he cannot recall if it mentions the WTC specifically. He will say he was told US intelligence agencies would look into it. Senator Graham later will acknowledge that his office had contact with Glass before 9/11, and was told about a WTC attack: “I was concerned about that and a dozen other pieces of information which emanated from the summer of 2001.” However, Graham will say that he personally was unaware of Glass’s information until after 9/11. In October 2002, Glass will testify under oath before a private session of the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry, stating, “I told I have specific evidence, and I can document it.”
Entity Tags: Randy Glass, Ron Klein, Bob Graham, Pakistan Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, Robert Wexler, Rajaa Gulum Abbas, World Trade Center
Category Tags: Warning Signs, Randy Glass/ Diamondback



more:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&projects_and_programs=randyGlass


Spring 1999: New Jersey HMO Is Possibly Funding al-QaedaRandy Glass is a con artist turned government informant participating in a sting called Operation Diamondback. He discusses an illegal weapons deal with an Egyptian-American named Mohamed el Amir. In wiretapped conversations, Mohamed discusses the need to get false papers to disguise a shipment of illegal weapons. His brother, Dr. Magdy el Amir, has been a wealthy neurologist in Jersey City for the past twenty years. Two other weapons dealers later convicted in a sting operation involving Glass also lived in Jersey City, and both el Amirs admit knowing one of them, Diaa Mohsen. Mohsen has been paid at least once by Dr. el Amir. In 1998, Congressman Ben Gilman was given a foreign intelligence report suggesting that Dr. el Amir owns an HMO that is secretly funded by bin Laden, and that money is being skimmed from the HMO to fund al-Qaeda activities. The state of New Jersey later buys the HMO and determines that $15 million were unaccounted for and much of that has been diverted into hard-to-trace offshore bank accounts. However, investigators working with Glass are never given the report about Dr. el Amir. Neither el Amir has been charged with any crime. Mohamed now lives in Egypt and Magdy continues to practice medicine in New Jersey. Glass’s sting, which began in late 1998, will uncover many interesting leads before ending in June 2001.
Entity Tags: Magdy el Amir, Osama bin Laden, Diaa Mohsen, Randy Glass, Mohamed el Amir, Operation Diamondback
Category Tags: Pakistani ISI, Randy Glass/ Diamondback, Terrorism Financing


more:

video...

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=glass-graham_video_wmv

New documentary, 9/11 Press for Truth, based on the Complete 911 Timeline.
View Trailer | Purchase 9/11 Press for Truth DVD
A fascinating video relating to an important unheeded warning of the 9/11 attacks was shown on WPTV, an NBC TV station in Florida on October 7, 2002. This video has been overlooked and forgotten until now.


What did Senator Bob Graham (left) and US intelligence know about the warning from Randy Glass (right) before 9/11?
In this video, Randy Glass, a private US citizen working as an undercover agent in a government sting operation, discusses how he learned about a threat to the World Trade Center and tried to warn various officials in government before 9/11. Florida State Senator Ron Klein and US Senator Bob Graham admit being given a warning by Randy Glass in the months before 9/11. What was the warning, who else knew about it, and why wasn’t it acted upon?

Though the video doesn’t discuss it, the sting operation Glass was part of recorded agents working for Pakistan’s secret service, the ISI, say on more than one occasion before 9/11 that the World Trade Center was “coming down.”

For more information about Glass, ready the Randy Glass timeline




thanks for bringing that up OMMmmSWEETOMMM!!..we have been at this since the get go haven't we??????!!!!!!!!!!!


fly
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 02:07 AM
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1. That's all in support of the basic OCT and
the cover-up after 9/11. Fyi.
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 02:51 AM
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2. It sure is curious
how 9/11 failures didn't hurt the career paths of Hayden, Rice or Hadley.

Also strange that Cheney freaked out about a leaked wiretap but didn't want an investigation.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:42 AM
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3. Isn't it? n/t
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 07:52 AM
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4. Yes, very strange.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 07:56 AM
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5. This -is- "The OCT". Part of it. Glad you've come over. Welcome.
I will see about getting you on the payroll.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 08:55 AM
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6. you do not know me at all
I do not need your welcome or your payroll
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 09:22 AM
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7. Are you here to make an alliance with fellow progressives, or
will you continue posting as though most of your audience is an enemy?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 10:04 AM
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9. not most of my audience
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 10:05 AM by seemslikeadream
just your little gang with your little snarky tactics

on edit
fellow progressives, I don't think that includes you
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 10:21 AM
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10. Hey! We're agreeing with you! What's snarky about that?
I even offered to put you on the payroll. Jeez.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 10:31 AM
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11. You and I are in the same gang, but
that doesn't mean I won't point out the hypocrisy of your posts which accuse others of being snarky when so many of your posts are nothing more than needling devoid of reasoned argument.
Recognizing fallacious logic isn't some inborn talent, it's a learned skill. I encourage you look into it when you have the time.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 02:33 PM
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15. There is a difference
between responding to snarkiness with snarkiness, and being snarky in general. If you look at the OP's posts, the majority of them are informative. However, her posts do seem to be often subjected to snark and ridicule. It is only human to respond back in kind.

Even if others who read this forum are silent, this does not mean there is agreement with the snark and ridicule of posts. I suspect it is the opposite.



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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:27 PM
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17. But, we are agreeing with her and welcoming her to our gang.
If her post was not in support of "The OCT", she should STATE CLEARLY what she -does- think that it means.

This --is not-- a snarky request. It is simply the course of ordinary rational discussion.

This is NOT a Truther site.

But, if you want snarky, post on JREF.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:33 PM
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18. I do not wish to be welcomed into your gang
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 03:34 PM by seemslikeadream
get it?
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:37 PM
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19. But you posted part of "The OCT". Did you mean something else by that?
I am really disappointed.

But, please, explain what you -do- think the text in the OP means.

Please.

I'll hold up your salary for a while.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 05:55 PM
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21. The logic is a little off here, methinks
one belief in common does not mean that all beliefs are shared.

Also, not sure what you mean "This is NOT a Truther site". But, as I see it, it is a discussion forum where ALL points of view are discussed.

"I calls 'em as I sees 'em".
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 08:11 PM
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22. "Not a Truther site": Try posting a dissenting opinion on Loose Change, or..
some others I won't mention.

If anyone wants to post Controlled Demolition or Dustification nonsense and get universal praise for it, this ain't the place.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 01:21 AM
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23. I find it quite odd that I am of such great interest to these folks
actually to tell you the truth it's really very strange, don't you think? Why all the attention? You would think they'd have way more important things to do.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 01:30 AM
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24. It seems you want to make every post a personal issue rather than dealing with
the substantive topics at hand. In this thread, you dumped some info into the OP, and haven't bothered to talk about it at all in your 5 following posts. Those 5 posts are only ad hominem fluff.
I would think you'd have way more important things to post about.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 01:48 AM
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25. Why are you so obsessed with me?
It truly bizarre, don't you have more important things to do? Just take a deep breath and try letting it go sweetie.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 02:25 AM
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26. That's your 6th ad hominem post in this thread.
You'd prefer to talk about the meaning of your OP rather than attempt to insult me, wouldn't you?
I'm only trying to carry on a conversation and express my views - normal behavior for a discussion board.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 04:39 AM
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27. I find the interest quite strange and interesting n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 01:13 PM
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28. For you this Saturday morning Hope2006, I don't believe it's all for nothing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOmkW-BEYKQ

Are you out there
Can you hear me
Can you see me in the dark

I don't believe it's all for nothing
It's not just written in the sand
Sometimes I thought you felt too much
And you crossed into the shadowland

And the river was overflowing
And the sky was fiery red
You gotta play the hand that's dealt ya
That's what the old man always said

Fallen Angel
Casts a shadow up against the sun
If my eyes could see
The spirit of the chosen one

In my dream the pipes were playing
In my dream I lost a friend
Come down Gabriel and blow your horn
'Cause some day we will meet again

Fallen Angel
Casts a shadow up against the sun
If my eyes could see
The spirit of the chosen one

All the tears
All the rage
All the blues in the night
If my eyes could see
You kneeling in the silver light

Fallin', fallin', fallin' down
Fallin', fallin' down
Fallin', fallin', fallin' down
Fallin', fallin' down

Fallen Angel
Casts a shadow up against the sun
If my eyes could see
The spirit of the chosen one

All the tears
All the rage
All the blues in the night
If my eyes could see
You kneeling in the silver light

If you're out there can you touch me
Can you see me I don't know
If you're out there can you reach me
Lay a flower in the snow



Soldier of fortune
He's a man of war
Just can't remember
What he's fighting for
Start a revolution
Right before your eyes
When you hear the big bang
Don't you be surprised


Showdown at big sky
Darkness at high noon
Showdown at big sky
That day may be soon

People, people
Can you hear the sound
From every village and every town
Let the bells ring out
Hear the bells ring in
Let the bells ring out
Keep them ringing, ringing

Can't predict the future
Can't forget the past
Feels like any moment
Could be the last
All you believers
Standing inside this room
Can't you see it coming
Shooting out across the moon

Save this place
In the valley of tears
By the river of time
From weapons race
In the Book of David
In the holy Bible
When it's laid to waste
It will be written
By the children of Eden
I said save this place
And the Holy Ghost

Showdown at big sky
Darkness at high noon
Showdown at big sky
That day may be soon
People, people
Can you hear the sound
From every village and every town
Let the bells ring out
Hear the bells ring in
Let the bells ring out
Keep them ringing, ringing

Save this place
In the valley of tears
By the river of time
From weapons race
In the Book of David
In the holy Bible
When it's laid to waste
It will be written
By the children of Eden
I said save this place
And the Holy Ghost

Showdown at big sky
Darkness at high noon
Kiss tomorrow goodbye
That day could be soon
Give us strength
Give us wisdom
And give us the morals
Let the bells ring out
Hear the bells ring in
Let the bells ring out
Keep them ringing, ringing
Let the bells ring out
Hear the bells ring in
Let the bells ring out
Keep them ringing, ringing


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLjNjSpZxzg&eurl=

They say ev'rything can be replaced,
Yet ev'ry distance is not near.
So I remember ev'ry face
Of ev'ry man who put me here.
I see my light come shining
From the west unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
I shall be released.

They say ev'ry man needs protection,
They say ev'ry man must fall.
Yet I swear I see my reflection
Some place so high above this wall.
I see my light come shining
From the west unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
I shall be released.

Standing next to me in this lonely crowd,
Is a man who swears he's not to blame.
All day long I hear him shout so loud,
Crying out that he was framed.
I see my light come shining
From the west unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
I shall be released.

Lay a flower in the snow



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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 04:55 PM
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29. beautifully done
Thank you so very much, seemslikeadream!

This has really touched me.

:hug:

PS: Sorry I did not see this until now. I have been out all day.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. Odd or no, were you supporting "the OCT"? If not, then WHAT?
Edited on Sat Feb-17-07 06:40 PM by MervinFerd
What was the point of your post?

I will hold your wages until we get this cleared up.


edit: spelling
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 03:13 AM
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32. you can keep it
The Gift
Once there was a holy man who traveled between villages in his home country. He was very wise and stories of his great teachings had spread across the land. Hundreds of people followed him wherever he went to listen to his teachings. One day he came to a new village, and many people gathered in the Village Square to greet him. Suddenly a very angry peasant came up to him and began to verbally assault him. He said he was a fake and that he was misleading people telling them lies and using them for his own greedy purposes. He went on and on and on, using every foul language in the book, red in the face and spitting as he ranted. The holy man just waited until the man had totally exhausted himself and stopped talking. Then in a deep and calm voice he asked him the following question. "If someone offers you a gift but you don't accept it, whose gift is it?" The man was completely taken aback, but blurted out that the giver most certainly still owned the gift. The holy man then said "I don't want your gift of offensive accusations, you can keep them to yourself" and he walked quietly away from the stunned man.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. I am definetly NOT in the same gang with you
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 03:18 PM by seemslikeadream
on edit

please don't insult me

oh and could you point me to something you've posted that's progressive? I don't spend all my time here, like you do, so I could have missed it.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 04:19 PM
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20. If you say so. It really depends on the definition of the group you're identifying with.
oh and could you point me to something you've posted that's progressive? I don't spend all my time here, like you do, so I could have missed it.


You must not realize it, but that statement is the latest in a long list of illogical needling posts made by you, directed toward me. Odd that your previous post was implying that I wasn't progressive - as if you knew - but now, you're claiming ignorance while at the same time attempting to insult me by saying I spend all my time here.

Feel free to search through all of my posts in order to reach a wise conclusion about my progressive cred.
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. Well, "Welcome" anyway. Can you name a charity where I can send your pay?
Seriously, you apparently think these quotes have some significance. Can you state -clearly- what that is? We might agree on more than you think.

But, you -must- make clear statements of your hypotheses.

What do you think these facts mean?
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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 10:51 AM
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12. Those statements mean "run the wargames tomorrow."
Edited on Fri Feb-16-07 10:52 AM by Bushwick Bill
;-)
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MervinFerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Really? The war games are part of "The OCT" too.
But, show me where it says that.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-16-07 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Absolutely no evidence for that.
In their proper context, those statements mean the hijackings.

You can have your own opinions, but not your own facts.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-18-07 01:35 AM
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31. As the Murray Waas article makes clear
Edited on Sun Feb-18-07 01:41 AM by Contrite
the message is: Cheney/Bush/White House leaked classified information in order to target Congress, the press and the CIA in order to roadblock FBI and Congressional investigations.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=263404&mesg_id=263527
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