Operation Gladio: A conspiracy theory turns out to be historical truth

[Andre II]

Just thought this would be interesting.
Operation Gladio did several terrorist act to blame it on the extreme left.
eg the Bologna bombing in 81 which killed over 80 people.
Here is a great BBC documentary nobody should miss.


Do I say everything is a conspiray and accidents don't happen?
Certainly not.

Do I say everything are accidents and conspiraciys never happen?
Certainly not.


Watch the film and maybe people stop calling everything conspiracy theory but start looking for the facts.

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-4900756773650110959&q=%22Operation+Gladio%22

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=-7384572060848760784&q=%22Operation+Gladio%22

http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=5740740737600611346&q=%22Operation+Gladio%22

[OneBlueSky]

1. k/r . . . bookmarked for later viewing . . . n/t

[Tim Howells]

16. Kick! (NT)

[Andre II]

2. What does this have to do with 9/11????

Sorry, but why was this transfered into the dungeon????
The very idea of this thread was to show that what once was considered a crazy conspiracy theory turned out to be the historical truth.

Or does any mode question the statements of the
European Parlament
European Commission
Italian Parlament
Italian Judge
etc etc etc etc

Btw the mentioned Bologna bombing:
We even have the confession of the culprit stating he worked for Gladio. The stay-behind army of NATO countries.


Or is BBC not mainstream enough?

Sorry, I really don't get this decision.

[pauldp]

3. Well even if it's true, we don't want anything out in the open

that would help those whack-jobs prove a point.
;-)

[rman]

5. Especially if it's true...

The more true it is, the more damaging it is.

[defendandprotect]

62. Operation Gladio certainly did happen, sadly ....and this isn't "conspiracy-free-America" -- !!

[Tim Howells]

4. Sorry Andre - I admire your effort here.

The fact is, the two political parties are funded by the same
people and are tightly integrated into the same system together
with most of academia and all of the mainstream media. Do not
expect the light of reason to prevail here in a newsgroup
maintained by people loyal first and foremost to the Democratic
Party. When you get to the REAL scandals - which include
Gladio and September 11 - you will find that the scandals are
bipartisan and the coverups are bipartisan.

I guess we should be grateful that we even have the dungeon!

Tim

[LoZoccolo]

6. I agree; there hasn't been one mention of the GRCT by the Democratic Party.

Even when some Democratic politicians said freedom fries were silly, that just trivialized the issue that the government used a potato on 9/11.

[Bryan Sacks]

7. Very parsimoniously put, Tim

Expect more of the same silliness-passing-for-irony from LoZocollo and his ilk until they tire of it, or until their paradigmatic assumptions crash down on them. Whichever comes first.

[LoZoccolo]

8. Come back after you read this link, and then see if you accept the OCT or any CCT.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=134311&mesg_id=134311

[PufPuf23]

61. So you have been an apologetic for years? Revealing. nt

[Bolo Boffin]

9. Bryan Sacks, that's two of my pet peeves!

Someone who gives credit to silly-ass right-wing bullshit about Vince Foster as a presidential primary featuring Hillary Clinton gets underway...

...and someone who uses the word "ilk". Jeez, nothing makes me want to yell, "Pull the cork out!" more than someone who uses the word "ilk."

[Bryan Sacks]

11. Gladio bothers me a bit more, I have to say n/t

[Tim Howells]

15. Me too ...

... and the reference to Hillary "Bomb Iran Yesterday!" Clinton
was particularly revealing. The warmongering neoliberals have
no shame and no sense of decency.

Tim Howells

[mirandapriestly]

10. I know, it's depressing...eom

[quickesst]

66. "What does this have to do with 9/11????"

Because it's what they do. From aliens being in control, to anything as crazy as they can come up with, they'll post it in clearly what is labled " September l1" It only helps their lameass arguments by lumping every lameasss "conspiricy theory" from the moon landing to aliens controlling our government with 9/11, only to demean and hopefully in their gov controlled world will further the myth that the government was not involved in any way, shape, or form. Thanks.
quickesst

[SDuderstadt]

67. "hopefully in their gov controlled world"

Nice strawman, dude. Why, if I didn't know better, I'd say you're some sort of anti-government type. Did you lose a zoning hearing or something?

[pauldp]

12. This doc pulls no punches.

The opening Voice Over:

"In 1980 a bomb exploded at Bologna railway station which killed 86 people.
Six years later an official report revealed the existence of an invisible government
in Italy, run by the State Secret Services and groups of political terrorists. It also
identified a secret civilian and military organization under which Neo-Fascist groups
were allowed to commit atrocities against civilians for political motives"

Then Vincenzo Vinciguerra, a former member of the neo-fascist group "Ordino Nuovo", talks:

"When you were on the Right you were not supposed to attack the State
or it's representatives. You were supposed to attack civilians, women, children,
innocent people outside the political arena. For one simple reason:
To force the Italian public to turn to the State, turn to the regime and ask for greater security.
This was precisely the role of the right in Italy

:wow:

[Andre II]

14. Thanks for these quotes, pauldp

Gladio is extremely important. And it is officially acknowledged historical fact and be sure there will be no OCTer who will ever loose a word about Gladio because somehow Gladio sobers the big party to call everybody who has questions a "conspiracy nut".

I would still very much appreciate to know why Gladio isn't allowed in GD?
It is a historical fact.
And the post contains MSM sources only.
So, where is the problem?

[Taxloss]

17. Gladio proves nothing on its own.

It's just a historical curiosity.

To relate it to 9/11, you have to go via the route of the Wayne Madsen "The Jews control the Italian Mafia" uber-conspiracy which is nuts and, needless to say, anti-semitic.

So ... what's your point?

[Bryan Sacks]

19. What it proves is that false-flag terrorism is official policy n/t

[Taxloss]

20. Uh ... "official" for far-right groups in Italy decades ago.

That's a loooooong stretch to 9/11.

[John Q. Citizen]

23. Um ,that group in Italy and other W. Europeans countries would be called NATO,

I believe?

Aren't they still around somewhere?

[Taxloss]

25. You're really stretching now.

Yes, Italy is in NATO, well done. Decades ago Italian intelligence tries to frame some leftist groups for bombings. What relevance does this have to 9/11?

[Bryan Sacks]

26. It was a NATO operation, Taxloss. Don't obfuscate.

They didn't just try to frame leftists. They commissioned the bombings. A bit different.

[Taxloss]

27. ... And what does this have to do with 9/11? n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

29. And did NATO murder Vince Foster, too? n/t

[John Q. Citizen]

30. That is a stupid question. Read it again and learn why some DUers pick on you

by putting you on the brand new ignore feature.

Now do you understand?

If not, reread your question and then think about the relationship between that sort of question and why some DUers put you on their brand new ignore feature list.

Got it yet? even an inkling?

[Bolo Boffin]

31. So you don't have any problem with a new poster showing up and hawking

Vince Foster conspiracy theories at Democratic Underground?

I could give a fig why people "pick on me". It's not a concern of mine in the least.

[John Q. Citizen]

33. OK, I'm sorry. I didn't understand what Foster had to do with the topic, but

I now see you felt you had your reasons for that comment.

In my defense, it wasn't apparent in the context of your post. But that's how this form of communication goes sometimes.

Peace.

[John Q. Citizen]

28. Gladio was a NATO operation. It demonstrates that NATO countries are

perfectly willing to engage in false flag operations for political expediency.

There are some who believe 9/11 was a false flag operation as well, and there is quite a bit of evidence to back up that belief.

Have you read the Triple Threat Time line, Welcome to Terrorland, and Synthetic Terror;Made in the USA?

Webster Tarpley, who wrote the last book (Synthetic Terror) wrote one of the first books exposing the Gladio false flag operation. So he has some knowledge about false flag operations.

As a guy who says he's interested in conspiracy, I would think you would find it interesting.

All three works are available for free reading on the web, the first at Peter Lance's web site, and the last two at the americanbuddha.com online reading library.

While Tarpley believes 9/11 was a false flag operation, neither of the other two authors make that charge. But if you read their (first two) investigative journalism, there is a lot of information that could support that thesis.

While Tarpley engages in many of the well known areas of the 9/11 inside jobbers (as well as in other very interesting facts and theories , the first two authors concentrate on the terrorists, and their associates

I hope you check out all three works so as to better answer your question of how Gladio relates to 9/11.

[Taxloss]

32. The thing is

that point would only have significance if someone here had claimed that there had never been any false-flag operations anywhere ever. It's like me saying that the 1972 Olympics proves that Islamic terrorism exists, so 9/11 was an act of Islamic terrorism.

As for Gladio, have you ever heard of the Liberator pistol? It was designed during the Second World War, a cheap, simple pistol intended for production on a massive scale. Hundreds of thousands of these pistols would be made, it was planned, and then dropped into Nazi-held Europe. The aim was to arm Europe's civilians so that they could resist the occupiers, or alternatively just sow mayhem. But the plan was abandoned because it was realised that after the war was won there would be no way of getting these pistols back. They would create a massive public order problem for the restored democracies.

Gladio seems to me to have been an idea much like the Liberator pistol.

I will check out the books you recommend.

[Diane_nyc]

58. What the existence of Operation Gladio does and does not indicate about 9/11

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=134875&mesg_id=135619">Taxloss wrote:

32. The thing is

that point would only have significance if someone here had claimed that there had never been any false-flag operations anywhere ever. It's like me saying that the 1972 Olympics proves that Islamic terrorism exists, so 9/11 was an act of Islamic terrorism.

Of course, the mere existence of Operation Gladio proves nothing about 9/11. It certainly does not prove that 9/11 was a similar false flag operation. It shows only that the idea of government complicity in the 9/11 attacks is not as a priori preposterous as it might seem to someone who had never heard of false flag operations. And there do seem to be a lot of Americans who either have never heard of false flag operations or who assume that only someone like Hitler would ever have dreamed of doing such a thing.

[defendandprotect]

63. Plus the fact of CIA coups all over the world vs liberal/progressive governments post WWII....

including our efforts to keep liberals out of government in Japan, as well as

in other nations!

[midwestnerman]

60. Our Joint Chiefs tried to make it official with Operation Northwoods

Yes, Kennedy rejected the proposals. But he was snuffed a year later. Interesting coincidence.

[defendandprotect]

64. And, in between, JFK was betrayed by Joint Chiefs and CIA ...

and IKE before him, as well --

and Carter -- and probably Clinton --

[John Q. Citizen]

34. My guess is the tone of the OP and the liberal usage of the "C"

word was what got it here.

This post, on the other hand, made it into greatest and stayed there.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3128752&mesg_id=3128752

[wildbilln864]

13. Thank once again, Andre II!

:hi:

[Anarcho-Socialist]

18. What's this got to do with 9/11?

[John Q. Citizen]

22. Everything, unless one suffers from a "lack of imagination," which is the term

i believe I've seen a number of OCTers use to make excuses for why 9/11 occurred.

In fact, this has far more to do with 9/11 than potatoes, the Implosion World article, or your "no towers" theory, though I'm not too confident that you have the faculties to see how and why.

[greyl]

24. You disagree with the OP, then, at least if he's being honest

when he asks "What does this have to do with 9/11?" while complaining that it was moved to the 9/11 forum.

[Tim Howells]

36. How clever! Do you think this is a parlour game?

[greyl]

40. If a parlour game is where you post pathetic replies, yes. nt

[rman]

21. 2 short clips from "Gladio"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1fH3YpQciQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skYk-In0QxU


And one from "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORnbxbwd8KM

[Spoonerian]

35. I watched

all 3 episodes a few months ago for the first time. For me, it answered a lot of questions about how the U.S.'s War For Communism morphed into the U.S.'s War For Fascism almost overnight.

Or think of it like this. Let's say its 1945 and you crawl out of a meat locker where you were lucky enough to survive after Dresden was fire-bombed for a week by the Churchill-Roosevelt-Stalin mafia...and then you find out a little later that the Churchill-Roosevelt mafia has joined up with all of the surviving Hitler mafia to defend you from the Stalin mafia? This BBC series explains a lot about how the lower level mechanics of things like that work.

[ma2007]

37. so let us give it a kick

says medienanalyse

[Andre II]

39. Is this you?

medienanalyse?

[greyl]

41. ...and people wonder why 9/11 forum polls aren't worth a shit. nt

[treestar]

38. Northwoods too.

I think it is naive to completely dismiss the possibility of false flag operations by this time in history, as so many Americans do. Whether 911 is one or not is still an open question, but the idea that it would never be possible is just naive.

[TheWraith]

42. A subtle difference between this and the conspiracy theories touted around here.

This is based on fact, meaning that there is evidence for it that would be accepted under the traditional definitions thereof.

Most conspiracy theories around here are based on mythology, and are backed up by subjective "proof" which is taken from misconceptions about the science involved, or perpetuated fabrications which have been treated as fact.

[Andre II]

43. Historically wrong

Let's say it clearly that claiming in the 80s eg that the Bolognoa bombing was a false flag operation was called what?
Exactly!
A conspiracy theory.

Only since the beginning of the 90s do we know that this conspiracy theory turned out to be historically correct.

[Tim Howells]

44. Kick! (NT)

[loop]

45. Misinformation about "Gladio/Stay Behind" Networks Resurfaces

Misinformation about "Gladio/Stay Behind" Networks Resurfaces
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2006/Jan/20-127177.html

Somebody is lying.
I don't think, that the persons in the three videeos are lying, so the US website must be lying.

[Andre II]

46. "Misinformation"....?

Many thanks for the link!
It's hard to call this piece "misinformation"...
the false notion that West European “stay-behind” networks engaged in terrorism

To call this a false notion implies to claim that the EU Parliament, the EU Comission, two European Parliaments, an Italian judge etc are all dead wrong (not to mention the witnesses presented in the BBC film).

[MinM]

49. ITALIAN SAYS 9-11 SOLVED

First here's a little more misinformation. Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal is trying to resurrect the myth of the "Red Brigades"

ITALIAN SAYS 9-11 SOLVED

Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies..

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2006/10/crucial-video-timewatch-operation.html
http://www.atlargely.com/2007/12/operation-condo.html

[wildbilln864]

50. Welcome to the dungeon MinM.

:hi:

[MinM]

51. Thanks | Sibel Speaks

One other recent story tied to Gladio:

Mehmet Eymur:

Connected to the MIT, Turkey's National Intelligence Organization (Turkey's CIA). Lukery incorrectly labels him the former head of the MIT; he actually directed the Department for Counter-Espionage. Forced out in 1987. Accused of involvement in the bloody Taksim Square Massacre of May 1 1977 and the March 30, 1972 Kizildere massacre. Linked with Operation Gladio, the Grey Wolves and other Turkish ultra-nationalist groups; see here, where he is accused of heading an "illegal group" within MIT. (I'm not nearly as informed on Tukish history as I ought to be; however, I am reminded of the parallel situation in Italy's SISMI.)

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/01/sibel-speaks.html

[wildbilln864]

52. good stuff, thanks! n/t

:hi:

[wildbilln864]

47. and an important...

kick! :hi:

[wildbilln864]

48. yet...

again!

[Name removed]

53. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MinM]

54. QinetiQ Goes Kinetic:

QinetiQ Goes Kinetic: Top Rumsfeld Aide Wins Contracts From Spy Office He Set Up

A Pentagon office that claims to monitor terrorist threats to U.S. military bases in North America -- and was once reprimanded by the U.S. Congress for spying on antiwar activists -- has just awarded a multi-million dollar contract to a company that employs one of Donald Rumsfeld’s former aides. That aide, Stephen Cambone, helped create the very office that issued the contract.

QinetiQ was created in 2001 when the British Ministry of Defense (MoD) split up the Defense Evaluation Research Agency (DERA), its equivalent to the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). One part of the company remained inside the MoD, but the other half was sold to the private sector and became QinetiQ.

February 2003, control slipped decisively out of government hands when 33 percent of its shares were acquired by the Carlyle Group, the powerful Washington-based private equity fund with close ties to the Bush administration. Carlyle invested $73 million in the company, and the MoD retained the other 66 percent. In an unusual arrangement, however, Carlyle was granted 51 percent of the voting shares, which meant that the investment fund and its appointed executives had effective control over the company. Carlyle sold off its remaining shares in February 2007, making a $470 million profit on its original investment..

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/01/power-corruption-and-spies.html

Four Characters in Search of a Prosecutor: Miller, Boykin, Cambone ( Grey Fox ) and Feith

Military Intelligence and the CIA (both operating extensively through creme de la creme special forces units and out of control private contractors) are at the heart of the torture policy.... which is itself at the heart of the entire counter-terrorist strategy.... which is in turn the lynch pin of the war on terror. Counter terrorism today--from what we know of such units as Rumsfeld's P2OG (Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group)--is modeled after the Gladio-type forces that ran the so-called "Strategy of Tension in Europe" in the aftermath of the Cold War and were used extensively to stage covert provocations and false-flag operations meant to discredit socialism.

So, trace Abu Ghraib back to MI and the CIA and Cambone knows you trace right it back to the people running the new Strategy of Tension....against the Muslim world. The people who have reframed real (and staged) terrorist acts as part of an endless World War IV --- while, not incidentally, standing to profit substantially from the reframing. You trace it back to defense contractors. You trace it back to the black heart of the Defense-Intelligence octopus.

And where does Cambone fit in the octopus?

As Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence (USD-I), the civilian boss directly in charge of the entire system of information gathering, he's part of the brain. A big part. The position was created by Rumsfeld as recently as 2003 for the sole purpose of wrenching control of intelligence away from independent outfits (the DIA, the NSA, each armed service's intelligence unit) and housing it in the Pentagon under one roof.

Moreover, Cambone, a ballistics missile and space weapons fanatic, had no background in intelligence and was hated by those who did ( A former senior Pentagon official told me of a conversation with a three-star general, who remarked: "If we were being overrun by the enemy and I had only one bullet left, I'd use it on Cambone.".

As part of the RMA, raw (unanalyzed) intelligence is made available to the military--supposedly with rules governing its use....but who really believes that rules like that don't quickly fold when needed? The intelligence is gathered through "persistent surveillance" and uses such new technologies as Space-Based Radar. Turns out "persistent surveillance" is suspiciously similar to what goes on under Rumsfeld's little false-flag franchise, P20G. Indeed, in April 2003, Rumsfeld placed Cambone in charge of the counter-terrorism initiative coded "Grey Fox."..

YouTube - Stop SPP Protest - Union Leader stops provocateurs

Agents Provocateurs Deployed at SPP Summit | 911Blogger.com

[wildbilln864]

55. thanks. n/t

:hi:

[MinM]

56. Weathermen | Operation CHAOS | COINTELPRO

We know that the FBI and CIA infiltrated groups like the "Weather Underground". And we know these agent provocateurs pushed for more violent forms of protest...

COINTELPRO

Ironically, many charges against the Weathermen had to be dropped because the FBI had violated the law with its "Cointelpro," a secret agency to discredit the left. After the war ended and the Weatherman movement faded away, Dohrn and Ayers lived in hiding for several years with their children--an existence some say inspired the 1988 movie "Running on Empty." Eventually they turned themselves in, and today are leading productive, unrepentant lives...

http://www.democracynow.org/2001/12/3/cointelpro_returns_the_bush_administration_asks
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Third_World_US/COINTELPRO60s_WAH.html
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/cointelpro.html

Operation CHAOS
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/CHAOS_CIAHits.html
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brussell%20Articles/Operation%20Chaos.html
http://www.cia-on-campus.org/surveil/chaos.html


so, how convenient is it now that these events are still being http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/16/stephanopoulos-left-field_n_97136.html">exploited by these fascists for propaganda purposes? :kick:

[victordrazen]

57. The media played/plays no small part in 911

and media giant Sumner Redstone, as one example, has a background in military intelligence. The media is the most overlooked part of 911 IMO.

[MinM]

59. Students for a Democratic Society

SDS has long been a front -- or at least an easily compromised tool -- for COINTELPRO.

Here's the latest example:

Democracy Now! Broadcast Exclusive: Declassified Docs Reveal Military Operative Spied on WA Peace Groups, Activist Friends Stunned

Newly declassified documents reveal that an active member of Students for a Democratic Society and Port Militarization Resistance in Washington state was actually an informant for the US military. The man everyone knew as “John Jacob” was in fact John Towery, a member of the Force Protection Service at Fort Lewis. The military’s role in the spying raises questions about possibly illegal activity. The Posse Comitatus law bars the use of the armed forces for law enforcement inside the United States. The Fort Lewis military base denied our request for an interview. But in a statement to Democracy Now, the base’s Public Affairs office publicly acknowledged for the first time that Towery is a military operative. “This could be one of the key revelations of this era,” said Eileen Clancy, who has closely tracked government spying on activist organizations...

Gladio-style terror in Istanbul, New York, Jakarta, Mumbai and London, linked to 'Moslem' militants

MinM's Journal - Austin-based agent provocateur Brandon Darby, Mary McFate...

[k-robjoe]

65. On the radio right now

"9/11 In Context with Tod Fletcher: Daniele Ganser on Operation Gladio"

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/resistanceradio

Right now the broadcast starts in 10 minutes.

But you can also "listen to the mp3 which is available at the same link right after the broadcast".

[spooked911]

68. some info on Ganser

Daniele Ganser, Ph.D. is a Swiss historian and peace researcher. He is the author of Nato's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe (Frank Cass, 2005). He explores the relevance of the history of terrorism in Europe in the 1960s, '70s and '80s to an understanding of the 9/11 false flag operation.

More here:
http://www.danieleganser.ch/Biographie.html

Daniele Ganser's website:
www.danieleganser.ch/Home.html?lang=en

Obviously, a total wacko.
:sarcasm:

[SidDithers]

69. Wow, look at all the tombstones in this almost 4 year old thread...

good times, good times.

Sid