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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-24-06 03:58 PM
Original message
9/11 Whistle Blower Speaks Out to the Editor of the Cincinnati Post
Edited on Sun Sep-24-06 04:00 PM by peanutbrittle
Greetings Mr. White,

I felt it necessary to follow up to a recent story that
was published in Cincinnati Post. It was the 1 in 3 believe 9-11
conspiracy theory. I must admit that at first I was overwhelmed with
joy that our local paper was actually starting to have real journalism
and talk about real issues. Then I read the story and it was a total
debunk to make the actual people around the world who feel there was
something not right about 9-11, to look like over reacting
conspiracy theorists.

Im utterly outraged. My 9 year old daughter could have done more
research in this, as opposed to just trying to throw the publics ideas
and feelings out. Is this not what journalism is supposed to represent
- real issues? There have been many, many polls done in major cities
that actually ask people how they felt about the 9-11 tragedy. One
such poll is called the Zogby poll; which was offered in New York City.

Honestly I could care less what is done with this letter, but I feel
that I should speak my mind and Ill tell you some things that I have
not told many people at all. From 1995 till 2002 I was a Sergeant in
the United States Army. Not only this, but I was stationed at United
States Central Command, which is located at MacDill AFB in Tampa
Florida. I was on active duty when 9-11 happened. In the days prior to
the tragedies, we were involved in many exercises. Some of these
exercises included the scenarios of hijacked planes crashing into, our
building the world trade center, the White House, Sears Tower, and the
Pentagon. These drills or exercises as we called them, where
classified Top Secret. Having a Top Secret rated clearance I was
dumbfounded that they would ever push a training exercise above the
level of Secret. Over my 8 years in the Army, I had participated in
many exercises around the world, none of which were ever classified
over the Secret level.

Ill start by saying a few months prior it was announced by President
Bush that Dick Cheney would be heading up operations over NORAD our
North American Aerospace Defense Command. Along with many of my peers,
we were shocked. Over the years, if you research NORAD, it has always
been under the command of a Military officer. It was done this way
because the defense of this country has always been in the hands of
such. Prior to the months before 9-11 this was all of the sudden
changed. Like I said, if you research NORAD and the command structure
you will find that it was imposed long ago that the military should be
in control of the order to scramble planes in the defense of American
air space. For some strange reason, Bush changed this and gave that
power to a civilian person on his Staff team yes I know, very
interesting.

Back to the morning of 9-11; the command was busy with this training
exercise. We were instructed to bring all our gear in to prep for a
mock (staged) deployment to the Middle East. On the morning of 9-11 I
had been on base prepped and ready to go since about 0400am. During my
time at the base that morning, they were setting up barriers around
the command and placing gun posts on the roofs. When I questioned one
of the security officers about the machine gun and shoulder fired
rockets on the roof I was given the answer its a precaution for a
plane attempting to crash into this building.

So, I was standing in the SCIF (Secure Compartmented Information
Facility), which is basically this underground bunker command post for
USCENTCOM, when the first plane hit. We were watching the fly patterns
of all the planes on the aerospace grid. This contained not only all
commercial flights at the time, but all military flights, and fake
enemy planes that were supposedly put on there for the exercise. Many
of the planes sent to intercept the fake blips were scrambled from
Andrews which is an air defense AFB for the East Coast. They were sent
across the US and left very few planes to defend the capital. After
the first plane hit the tower we were all in disbelief. After the
initial shock was over, our questions were what are the odds this
could happen for real, during a training exercise thats covering the
same scenario? We were all at wits end. Then to top all of this off,
Cheney gave NORAD the order to stand down scrambling jets to
intercept. A few moments later tower 2 was hit. Only after the
Pentagon was hit, did he give the orders to scramble the jets to
intercept the plane bound for the White House.

All of this is very interesting to me it sickened me so that I left
the Army after coming back from an 8 month deployment to Afghanistan.
There were just too many questions that no one could answer, too many
things that did not make sense. How is it possible to have a training
exercise about planes hitting the WTC and then actually have planes
hit the WTC? This kind of thing just does not happen unless its
pre-planned. What reason would there be to have this type of exercise
on that morning, Ill tell you if you are placing fake planes all
over the north American aerospace grid then you have no way of
knowing which planes are real and which are fake. Then to thicken the
plot you put a civilian in charge of NORAD so that the military does
not have the power to initiate the order for jets to be scrambled to
intercept. If the military would have still commanded power over NORAD
they would have scrambled jets because they would have simply
followed the procedures that had been in place for this type of
situation for years and years and scrambled jets.

To delve even further, as Im standing there watching the towers
collapse, next to me is one of my good friends and a former commander
of the Army Corps of Engineers. He is a demolitions expert. He was
even more surprised than me. When the towers collapsed he kept saying
this isnt right, this isnt right. When I asked him what he was
talking about he told me that steel buildings dont fall down that
way. Even if they are struck by objects; he went on to say that in
theory if the top 10 floors were hit, then possibly just that part of
the building would fall over and off, but the rest would remain
standing. When I asked him, not understanding the implications of
demolitions, he told me that it looked as if they were brought down by
controlled demolitions. I was utterly amazed, but after he said that
it did sort of appear that way.

Ill tell you what gave this whole thing away was building 7. If
they would not have brought this building down, then they probably
could have gotten away with it all. It was the most amazing site I
have ever seen. Not only was it amazing, it bore reality to the truth
of the situation something was not right here. Now, Im going to
tell you all I have learned, but I urge anyone to just spend 1hr
reading about this incident on the internet and learning the facts.
There have been numerous scholars, numerous physicists that have
analyzed this over and over and over again. And they all come to the
same conclusion, something does not add up. Building 7 was never
directly hit by a plane. Now it was stated that a piece of one of the
towers fell onto the side of building 7 and caught one of the floors
on fire. A few moments later we all witnessed the most perfect example
of controlled demolitions to ever be caught on camera. It could not be
proved that building 7 fell due to fire. My friend and I standing
there in the SCIF watching in uninterruptible awe with all those other
military members; watching building 7 fall perfectly onto its
footprint; my friend stating that it was beautifully done.

We all knew then we all realized that this was not some group of
unorganized cave dwellers from Afghanistan orchestrating a perfect hit
on American soil. It was impossible. Shortly after the Pentagon was
struck I called my close friend that I went to Basic Training with.
All civilian lines were down and I had to contact him via STU which is
a black line classified phone system. He did not answer, but one of
his soldiers did. I asked if SGT Worthington was ok and he said yes. I
asked if the plane did severe damage and he told me I didnt see any
plane. Then when I finally got to speak to my friend, he started
acting strange saying he could not talk about the incident over this
line. He was shipped off overseas a few weeks later and I never to
this day have had the chance to speak with him.

The Pentagon crash tape was released a few months back after 5 years.
You need to watch that tape no where can you see a plane strike the
Pentagon. This is because it was not a plane. I cannot tell you
exactly what hit the Pentagon, but its unanimous; it was definitely
not a plane. I can assure you that there is more than one CCTV camera
around the Pentagon. On September 25, 4 days before my 25th birthday,
I deployed to Afghanistan. Over the 8months I was there I had never
seen one intelligent Afghani soldier. They were all tattered and
scrawny and could barely shoot their weapons straight. This does not
mean that there were not men that could fly a plane, but after what I
saw it was extremely hard to believe they could be taught to fly a
sophisticated piece of aeronautical equipment.

My point Mr. Editor is that I spent 8 months in combat watching my
brothers die in the name of Freedom. I killed, in the name of Freedom
and to this day my brothers are still being killed for this
illusionary war we call the War on Terror. Where the enemy has no face
where there is no clear objective. In this War, anyone with ill
thoughts toward this country can be defined as a terrorist. Well, I
guess that includes me in this group as well as everyone else who
questions the events of 911, because we all hold ill thoughts toward
the leadership of this country and I say the real terrorists in this
world sit right in the heart of its capital.

I have bled for this country and would do so again in a heart beat
but only to protect its people, the true Americans that live here. I
would never again offer my life under the leadership whose real goal
is oil and money. The same ones who staged the most perfect
illusionary tactic in our history that was a pretext to a war on
terror that would never again go away. Their goal was to scare the
American public into submission making it easier for the world powers
to do their evil and get away with it.

Now that may sound like a typical conspiracy theorist I guess, but how
many do you actually talk to? Im not here saying that Aliens came
down and used laser beams to bring the towers down or control the
planes that were flown; Im telling you as a sane, logical and
intelligent individual, something does not add up about this. Earlier
this year I was watching the Discovery channel. They have a PBS
program called Rebuilding America. This particular episode was about
the WTC building 7. They interviewed Larry Silverstein (the owner)
about building 7. He stated on national TV the following which is the
direct quote and can be found here: http://www.wtc7.net/pullit.html

I remember getting a call from the, ER, fire department commander,
telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain
the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the
smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull
and we watched the building collapse.

I actually have the program recorded and you are more than welcome to
come by my house and watch it. He actually stated this on national TV.
I was so amazed that I almost shat myself. I could not believe he
actually stated this on a nationally broadcasted TV program. You can
ask any person who has done controlled demolitions please interview
someone they will tell you it takes weeks of planning to do this. We
are expected to believe that this was facilitated and planned in a
matter of hours for building 7, while the damn thing was on fire you
have got to be kidding me. If that is not enough to make you believe
something was fishy well then nothing will ever do.

Since that time there have been numerous scholars, some of which have
actually been publicly broadcasted on CSPAN. The latest program was
called: Theories about 9-11. American Perspectives and you can watch
this (which I advise you do) per this link: Theories about 9-11
(American Perspectives) or you can go to www.c-span.org and look under
their video/audio section to find this title. Its an outstanding
video and encompasses the thoughts of not only the American public,
but also Dr Steven Jones from Brigham Young University a physics
professor that actually received a piece of the rubble from the WTC.
Not only does he profoundly agree that building 7 was a controlled
demolition he can prove it. After he analyzed the piece of debris
they found; there were large traces of sulfur and Thermite found. If
you did not know, Thermite is a chemical compound found in many
explosives including C4 which I have used many times in the Army. It
leaves a distinct smell and identifiable residue upon explosion. Dr
Jones found large traces of this from the rubble.

Sir, there are many things that I never wanted to know for one that
the government that is supposed to be caring for the American people
could be corrupt. This was the last thing that I ever wanted to be
true but its time we wake up and smell the bullshit because its
permeating throughout the American public and we are all starting to
realize whats really going on. If your news station actually did a
similar Zogby type poll here in Cincinnati, I think you would find
that a lot more than 1/3 of the people believe this. I know tons just
in this area.

I could literally write you 100 pages of truths that could prove that
9-11 was an inside job, but Id probably just be passed off as some
crazy conspiracy theorist. Instead I want to give you the tools to
look for yourself because the quest for wisdom is a journey we must
all take alone. So, to you I add the following links and if you just
spend a small portion of your day reading and watching some of this
footage, who knows you may wake up and stand along side the rest of us
in utter amazement.


Respectfully,

SGT Lauro Chavez
United States Central Command
http://www.v911t.org/SergeantLauroChavez.php
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-24-06 04:08 PM
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1. Drills as cover for a false flag operation


The problem is criminals have been for a long time in control of this country and the rest of the world.
This event "9-11" has the potential to expose them and turn around everything people believed in.
They won't stop and go simply to jail....

With 911 they clearly went too far and with the internet exposure was multiple times quicker than Tonkin.
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tenseconds Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-24-06 08:41 PM
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2. problem
The biggest problem I see is getting media exposure. Inching the privatized,"I got mine so leave me alone" crowd towards the light.

Maybe the first responder people and their testaments to the utter neglect of their death sentences by Ground Zero exposure by Bushco. The FDNY and NYPD.The EMTs.

http://kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=16240
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canetoad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-24-06 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Agree with you
Edited on Sun Sep-24-06 09:10 PM by canetoad
Assuming the letter is genuine (and I have no reason to think it is not), this guy has sat on this for five years. I've been criticized for my support of Loose Change, but it certainly seems that since the release of LC, it has become OK to talk about doubts of the official story.

You have probably seen the insults dished out to those here that question the OS; tin foilers, pod people, no-planers, holo-hoaxers and worse. I consider the OCTers who act this way to be dangerous, intimidatory people. Not everyone lets the insults roll like water off a duck's back - it's taken this guy five years to work up to having his say and I seriously wonder if it's because he is just an average Joe who didn't want to be ridiculed and taunted with 'tin-foiler'.

Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck what the OCTers call me. The more lurid and derogatory the more I like it - it means they are defensive.

Edit:typo
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-24-06 09:50 PM
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4. I would hope that now he has revealed what he knows and has thought . . .
that he would be more willing to come forward and talk on progressive talk-radio maybe with Alex Jones or maybe other stations who are willing to look down the rabbit hole without peeing their pants. He has a lot to say. People need to hear him.

On the v911t website they give his contact info. He is a patriot and a very brave soul. His story needs to be told and spread wide and far. There are many more people just like him that should come forward. I hope they find the courage and the love of their country to come forward as he has and say what they know.

It must be liberating to let it all out and tell people the truth of what you know from the inside. By getting their story out in public they also make it harder for them to be silenced, and there is safety in letting it be known wide and far to as many people as possible.

If someone looses their life who is very vocal about 911 being an inside job, this is very sad, but I can only think it acts as a tale-tell sign and even more people come to know and question the truth.
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canetoad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-24-06 10:04 PM
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5. No. 1 on the wishlist
Is that Van Romero recants his recantation of his first response. Wow that would be some story.
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shugh514 Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 05:24 AM
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6. This refutes the OCT argument that thousands
of people would have to be involved in a 9/11 plot. It would only require a small number of people in command creating enough confusion within our defenses for the plot to be carried out successfully.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:50 AM
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7. I'd like to believe the validity of this letter, but
SGT Lauro Chavez says a little too much and the story is a bit too good to be true.

Snippets of the letter that I had problems with:

"...next to me is one of my good friends and a former commander of the Army Corps of Engineers. He is a demolitions expert."

That is extremely convenient.

"My friend and I standing there in the SCIF watching in uninterruptible awe with all those other military members; watching building 7 fall perfectly onto its footprint; my friend stating that it was beautifully done."

Since WTC 7 went down hours after WTC 1 and 2, they were standing there a very long time.

"We all knew then we all realized that this was not some group of unorganized cave dwellers from Afghanistan orchestrating a perfect hit on American soil. It was impossible."

Sgt. Chavez couldn't have thought this on 9/11 since bin Laden had yet to be singled out as the mastermind.

Although I do believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by elements within or associated with our government, this letter is not the Rosetta Stone for the 9/11 truth movement.

If Sgt. Chavez does exist and this letter is verified as authentic, then we will have a lot to talk about. Until that disclosure is made, I'm wary about this so-called letter to the editor.
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:25 AM
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8. Ezlivin, at the end of the letter he gives all his contact info.
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 11:43 AM by Klimmer
He gives where he works, his telephone number, and his email. I suppose anyone who doubted could contact him and check it out.
http://www.v911t.org/SergeantLauroChavez.php

If you ask me he is one great patriot and a very brave soul to come forward with what information he knows. I salute him.

He is also a member of Veterans for 911 Truth (v911t), and Alfons, the veteran and gentleman who started v911t screens all members. (*Actually checking the member list just now, I can't tell if he is a member of v911t or not. I just assumed. Sorry. Mybad? Maybe he is, and maybe he isn't???)

Here is the Yahoo Forum for v911t (have to be a member to get in):

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/v911t /
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 11:54 AM
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9. his discharge letter
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 12:03 PM
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10. Wow, he is a Brave American Patriot . . .
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 12:05 PM by Klimmer
He has the courage to publish his official DD Form 214 for the world to see. I double salute him. I don't know if I would be that brave? I ETSed from the US Army in the mid '80s.

Now, if we can just get Bush and all the Swift Boat Veterans (for Lies) to put-up or shut-up as he has.

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Brainster Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 01:34 PM
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14. No GWOT Expeditionary Medal?
If he served in Afghanistan, it should be there, or its successor, the Afghanistan Campaign Medal.

Let me guess, next he'll tell us it's because he was in on a sooper sekrit mission?
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 02:06 PM
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15. I think he missed the presidential order from the gracious AWOL leader
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 02:14 PM by FoxOnTheRun
given in 2003

You can read about this medals on this site
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/2003031...
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Brainster Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 02:10 PM
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16. The GWOT Expeditionary Medal Preceded 2005 n/t
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Brainster Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 12:31 PM
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11. Uh, 0400am?
And that's just one of the many things wrong with this article. A sergeant whose "good friend" is the former commander of the Army Corps of Engineers (a three-star general)? SCIF stands for "Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility", not "Secure Compartmented Information Facility". Thermite is not used in C4. More details on what's wrong with this "soldier's" story here.

This guy's another Jesse Macbeth.
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 01:07 PM
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12. v911t is top story on Rense, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, and many other
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 01:13 PM by Klimmer
Sgt. "LJ" is a member of v911t. They just haven't put his name on the member list yet I guess.

Here is the news from v911t yahoo forum "Operation Vigilant Truth":

"New members are coming in droves now!

The v911t site is getting thousands of hits, 6,254 so far today, the
story about our new v911t member Sergeant Lauro "LJ" Chavez is the
top story on Rense, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, and many other sites. We
are getting lots of new members because of it, and likely because of
the story on 911blogger as well.
http://www.v911t.org/SergeantLauroChavez.php

Veterans for 9/11 Truth was and is a great idea. Operation Vigilant
Truth is catching on like the flue.

Many thanks to those who forth the effort, to make 9/11 Truth the
issue it truly deserves to be.

Keep up the great work, what we are doing is changing history,
hopefully in a way that it has never been changed before.

Just a reminder to members, we have a Mission, and I would ask that
you please keep your posts on topic, and on course with our urgent
Mission.

General Douglas MacArthur:
"No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom, unless he be
vigilant in its preservation."

Our Mission Statement - http://www.v911t.org/MissionStatement.php

Alfons v911t"


I guess all the skeptics can give him a call --- right?

Be forwarned, it seems according to his official discharge form DD Form 214, that he has some 14 weeks of "Special Forces Qualification Course" training. So, I wouldn't piss him off if I were you.
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Ferry Fey Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 01:30 PM
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13. More questions being raised
There are questions being raised at the Rigorous Intuition board.

http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMes...
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 04:14 PM
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20. I think asking questions is valid. Alex Jones is asking him to . . .
come forward and if he checks out, and he is legit, to get him on his show.

If he is a fraud, what purpose would it serve to do this? It doesn't serve to negate the truth of 9/11. The only thing he would accomplish is to ruin his life and be called out as a fraud and piss a lot of people off. Why would anyone want to do that? It won't change anything if he is a fraud. My hunch is he is legit. I have been wrong at times; I'm not afraid to admit that.

I suppose it could be a Carl Rove like move, but then it is quickly exposed. It doesn't change the fact that 9/11 was an inside job. So why???

We'll see.
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tenseconds Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 04:59 PM
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21. have you heard?
Have you heard the first respoders speeches in NY during the 9-11 weekend?

http://kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=16240

I've listened to it numerous times. It has really been giving me a morale boost.
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jacklambert Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:30 PM
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17. This letter is completely laughable...
First of all, he is "stationed" in Tampa, why is he writing to the Cincinnati Post about a story that was printed everywhere. The Cincy Post is the second or junior paper in the city of Cincinnati.
Why the Post??

And in his letter, he is seemingly associated with every "questionable" aspect in the 9/11 conspirists playbook.

- He's stationed at US Central Command performing military excercises on planes flying into buildings.

- He's watching the destruction of the Twin Towers with a former commander in the Corps of Engineers who happens to be a demolitions expert.

- He calls the Pentagon, and talks to someone who says he didn't see any plane, and then his suspicious friend who works at the Pentagon is shipped to Afghanistan, never to be heard from again.


I live in Cincinnati, keep up on the news, and am pretty aware of what happens in town, and I have never heard any of this before. What part of Cincinnati is he in?? Why would other news outlets not be interested in this??

I can hardly contain myself. Anyone with an iota of common sense can spot a fake. And this is a fake.
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OldSiouxWarrior Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:47 PM
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18. And a lowly E-5 is going to be privy to ALL of that? I call "BULLSHIT"!
I am a veteran. I know how military security works. No way is a mere E-5 going to be a contact person in all of that. This is a guy who wants his 15 minutes.

And he is racist in the bargin. He says: Over the 8months I was there I had never
seen one intelligent Afghani soldier.
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. The military cashed Taxi drivers, and goat herders
for Gitmo.
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tenseconds Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #18
22. listen
Listen to these guys and tell me they are fakes...

http://kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=16240
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:27 PM
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24. Wow. Absolutely moving testimonies. No doubt.
I hadn't heard this before. Thanks for linking this.

Now I got this mist in my eyes. I'm pissed. We need our country back.
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OldSiouxWarrior Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:36 PM
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27. The toxic problems are a different matter.
The first responders, for weeks, and even months breathed a horrible mixture of fumes from the fires that still burned. Certainly many of those chemicals had to have been really bad for a person's health, deadly - albiet slowly - in fact. And certainly the nation needs to do more for them, in appreciation of their sacrifice at that time.

But that is an entirely different matter, than claims that no planes hit the buildings, or much of the other BS put forward by the MIHOP idiots.

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tenseconds Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:13 PM
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29. re: idiots
Speaking of idiots....
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:22 PM
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26. Did anything substantive he said sound false, in your opinion?

If so, what is it?
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OldSiouxWarrior Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:45 PM
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28. His claim to have inside knowledge of all the different MIHOP aspects.
Military security is tightly compartmentalized. You will be told only what you need to know to do YOUR job. You won't know anything about what is happening with someone else, unless you NEED to know it to do your job.

This guy's claims violate that - big time.

In addition it runs into the usual problems that MIHOPers run into. The immpossibilities and illogic involved in the many MIHOP scenarios have been debunked many times over the past several years in this forum.

Of course, for personal psychological reasons, a MIHOPer needs to believe the MIHOP. A CTer can't deal with a random world, so they invent someone who is in control - a grand puppeteer. That their puppeteer is evil doesn't matter as it gives them hope that if only the grand wizard can be overthrown, then all will be right with the world. But there is no Ring of Power, no Sauron, and no Frodo to throw the Ring into Mt. Doom. The world swims in a sea of Chaos Mathematics, and CTers can't handle that.

Remember a few weeks ago, when that nutcase confessed to killing Jon Bennet? This guy is lying to get attention. His story doesn't check out, just like the other guy's didn't.
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:03 AM
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31. If the government is behind 9/11, that would make it an act of

State-Sponsored Terrorism, not a conspiracy theory. The various claims made about OBL & Company as 9/11 perps, are conspiracy theories.


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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 10:54 PM
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38. Why is Jon Mark Karr getting hype attention when Israel is losing
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 10:55 PM by FoxOnTheRun
1 tank division in Lebanon?

Seymour Hersh reported that Lebanon should be the curtain raiser for Iran.
http://www.voltairenet.org/en reported that Bush told Chirac this was not a Israeli operation supported by the USA,
it was a US operation conducted by the IDF


Karr confessed years before and he is guilty of something .(but he can't have been the murder of Ramsey)

Gonzalez told on Alex's radio show that he had seen an open document on an computer screen while he was waiting, it contained information about drills.
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Sven77 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 06:17 PM
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23. another link
Claim: USCENTCOM Sergeant Blows Whistle On 9/11 Inside Job

TODAY ON THE
ALEX JONES SHOW
Alex welcomes a former US Central Command Systems Administrator who has now come forward with personal knowledge which offers further proof that 9/11 was an inside job.

good interview today, sounded legit. I will read the letter to the editor next.
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 08:15 PM
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25. Here is the interview with Sgt. LJ!
This link comes from v911t via Alfons from the Alex Jones interview:
http://www.v911t.org/M/Lauro%20LJ%20Chavez.mp3

I'm listening to it now.
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-25-06 09:29 PM
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30. Everybody must listen to this interview!
Edited on Mon Sep-25-06 10:25 PM by Klimmer
He has the goods. LJ seems credible to me.

He needs to jog his memory and get the name of that Lt. Colonel who turned to him and said NORAD had told CENTCOM to stand down, that's why jets aren't scrambling.

Sounds like Alex is going to be talking to him more later this week. This is good stuff.
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Brainster Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 03:28 PM
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32. Veterans For Truth Backing Away from Lauro
Looks like the suspicions I posted here yesterday are starting to seep down to the VfT website:

The Veterans for 9/11 Truth have a Mission Operation Vigilant Truth so we do try to be as truthful as possible, and we have some issues with the story told by Lauro, on the Alex Jones Radio Show. Listen to Lauro on Alex Jones

Chavez: "Yeah, I was deployed to Afghanistan for 8 months. About 2 weeks
after 9/11 happened. I was there in support of the United States SOCOM,
which if everybody has played the game SOCOM they are actually a real
entity, located all at MacDill Airforce Base, and I provide them with
communications, for the special ops teams. We flew into Kabul Airport, we
were actually under fire as we flew in."

Editor Note: The war started on Oct 7, 2001 almost 4 weeks after 9/11.

I find it odd that Lauro was deployed in Afghanistan, and has no ribbon on
his DD 214.
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:34 PM
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33. Another v911t aux. member talked with "LJ" over the phone . . .
Edited on Tue Sep-26-06 05:45 PM by Klimmer
A little hard to read since she also included all the aahhhs . . . buts . . . etc. but a little more about what he experienced on 9/11, perhaps a little less ready to talk and more off-the-cuff. The Alex Jones interview was really good. Between the two he hasn't contradicted himself.

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=13644


I don't think Alfons of v911t is completely backing away, just asking good questions. Weren't some troops sent into Afghanistan prior to the official public pronounced troop movement? Yes. So how do you honor and award those who were there before, whom aren't supposed to be there officially yet or aren't supposed to ever be there? We don't do that in the US do we (Cambodia, or how about Iran at this very moment)? Having our troops illegally sent into a sovereign nation, prior to officially declaring war, or publically announcing our troop movements, or maybe not ever supposed to be there --- that never happens :eyes:

Asking questions and being skeptical is good. We have to check it out. But I don't think v911t are backing away, just being cautious.

Mistakes do happen on DD form 214s. I have a good conduct medal listed on my DD Form 214, but never actually was given one in person. So I don't have the actual ribbon or metal. How ever I did earn it. The bastards. I suppose I could go and get one. Mistakes can happen.

I'm sure it will all be worked out. He seems legit to me. We'll see.
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-26-06 05:58 PM
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34. Cathy G. (v911t) gives her impression on"LJ" after the interview . . .
This is from the v911 Yahoo forum . . .

"Hi All,

After Lauro Chavez joined V911T and his story was posted, I was more than intrigued and wanted to speak with him myself. What I really wanted to know is why anyone would finally be bold and brave enough to suddenly come out of the woodwork a full five years later? It seemed unfathomable to me that any person would be that courageous. This is heavy duty stuff.

And so, to cure my own curiosity, the other day we spoke.

And as far as I can tell, this fellow is as real as it gets. One of my friends asked me, how do I know for sure? And to answer that, I thought, how does one ever know about a total stranger on the telephone who we speak with for one hour? We don't. We can only go by our entire life's experiences in listening to people to try to help us figure out who seems genuine and who does not. Sometimes we're right. And admittedly, even someone trained to listen carefully during phone conversations (as a personal coach) could be mistaken.

But as best as I can tell, friends? This gentleman seems genuine.

Here's the transcript of our conversation.

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=13644


Thank you.

Cathy Garger"
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-27-06 12:41 AM
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39. Not sure why those were deleted??? "LJ" responds to critics . . .
Sgt. "LJ" responds to criticism in a new article at the Prison Planet website.

THIS IS A NEW ARTICLE. Not the same as the others. Is it not ok to link to Prison Planet.com? What gives?

Please go there to see the article. Is it not ok to let people know where to go to get this information? Seems a bit over zealous to me.
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