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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:36 PM
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Webster Tarpley author of "9/11 Synthetic Terror" on Mike Malloy now
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 09:37 PM by JohnyCanuck
From an review:

A remarkable look under the skin of the lurid scarecrow figure of modern terrorism to reveal the bones and sinews of a man-made monster, one with very direct genetic links to the Bader-Meinhof gang and the "strategy of tension" deployed after WW-II to justify the militarization of society and the targeting of selected groups. Once society gets used to the idea that odd little groups or demented individuals occasionally pull off spectacular attacks, the mask of any desired target group (leftists, hippies, Arabs) can be easily fitted to the patsy who will be blamed for the attack.

The National Security State needs its terrorists, and leaves nothing to chance in their care and feeding. By revealing the mundane operational details of these programs, and the continuity over time of both the strategies and the personnel involved, Tarpley brings these deliberately shadowy enterprises into the realm of normal human activities. In this view, the series of staged events leading up to 9-11 (Waco, the Murrah building and all the rest) comes into clear focus as the successive elaborations of the same schema on an ever larger scale.

The use of visible patsies to focus blame, the networks of moles that protect and manage them, the aggressive coverups with blatent destruction of evidence and violent suppression of potential whistle-blowers, the fake investigations and popular press debunking... the pattern repeats with remarkable consistency, and the growing boldness of a cabal that has tasted success and has so far crushed all those who have tried to reveal the extent of their crimes.

Tarpley's deep knowledge of the Bush family and NATO secret terror operations in Europe make him the ideal historian to put the distinctly post-WW-II phenomenon of synthetic terrorism in it's proper historical perspective, and in so doing he in effect does create a new field of historical inquiry. This is truly an important work, written with great precision and elegance.

If you need a link for a stream check this thread:
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:43 PM
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1. Here is a video link to Webster Tarpley's presentation excellent
Webster Tarpley - The 9/11 issue - How to stop World War III
2 hr 0 min 47 sec - Jun 3, 2006
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:46 PM
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2. A well-educated kook.
But a kook, nonetheless.

The guy is certifiable, but I find him interesting.

More disappearing airliners, invisible controlled demolitions, invisible missles, etc.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:05 PM
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10. I agree..
Tarplay is the kind of wacko that gives the left a bad name. I love Mike's show, but more like this! Webster would make a great caller, but not a guest! :tinfoilhat:
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 05:51 PM
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25. I don't think he is a kook.
And we could do with a few more like him.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:51 PM
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3. Thanks Johny
Live & "coming up" broadcast notices are extraordinarily useful; I wish more DUers would post them.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 09:57 PM
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4. Malloy is doing a masterful job here.
He's keeping things focussed fairly tight.

You go, Mike.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:19 PM
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5. So I'm listening to this
and I have one question for my fellow DUers - should I be scared shitless?
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:30 PM
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7. Well according to some

If you aren't already scared shitless, you just haven't been paying attention.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:36 PM
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8. Believe me I've been paying attention eom
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:15 PM
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11. Nothing to fear.
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 11:16 PM by longship
At least as far as this guy's paranoid delusions go. He sees all sorts of conspiracies every where. He's very interesting, but he's totally wacked out.

But worry about the utter incompetence of ChimpCo? You bet.

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:34 PM
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12. bushco is so incompetent they
stole 2 presidential elections, got us into the wars they wanted which impoverish us but make them rich, stole our constitutional rights, and have avoided any real investigation into 9/11.

We should be so incompetent.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 12:01 AM
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15. "Nothing to fear"
:rofl: A little bit of comic relief is always appreciated.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:22 PM
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6. Important show tonight!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 10:56 PM
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9. IF this is not true, it's the most amazing story I've ever heard
Whoever buys the movie rights will have a guaranteed blockbuster on their hands.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:41 PM
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13. Okay! I've had it with this guy.
He's f*cking nuts.

Disappearing airliners, invisible missiles, invisible controlled demolitions (which nobody witnessed), etc.

He's making sh*t up. The man is delusional and seriously mad.

Time to watch my Keith Olberman recording from earlier today.
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Sven77 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 12:32 AM
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16. some of the information discussed at the Symposium
9/11 - Day of Drills (15+)

(Amalgam Virgo), Vigilant Guardian
Northern Guardian, Vigilant Warrior
Northern Vigilance, Amalgam Warrior
Global Guardian, Crown Vigilance, Apollo Guardian
National Reconnaissance Office (NRO)
Fort Meyer Va. firemen (Pentagon)
NYC area: TRIPOD II, Timely Alert II

9/11: Northern Guardian

Paired with Northern Vigilance as attacker/defender??
Result of air drills: peak total of twenty-nine (29) aircraft reported hijacked on 9/11

9/11: Operation Northern Guardian

"real" defense against Russia - not a drill
6 planes from Langley AFB sent to Keflavik, Iceland

9/11: Amalgam Warrior

NORAD exercise
Large scale live-fly air defense and air intercept, tracking surveillance
Simulated intruders, hijacked planes, mock intercepts - B-1s vs. F-18
Sometimes combined with Global Guardian

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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 12:42 AM
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17. The guy asks very good questions
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 12:43 AM by longship
But his answers come off like delusional ravings.

There's absolutely no evidence that anything but those specific airliner flights hit those buildings. We have too many witnesses to these events (which include eyewitnesses, people on the planes phoning their loved ones, disaster relief people, independant on-the-scene investigators, etc.). I don't see any definitive evidence from the conspiracy crowd, only special pleadings, straw men, bad science, and a lot of bad mannered screeching.

If only the 9/11 truth movement would focus on the questions, and not on these wild-assed speculations, maybe we could get some real answers.

But this guy on Malloy tonight is a raving lunatic.
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Sven77 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 01:05 AM
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18. not speculations
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 01:10 AM by Sven77
listen to the Norad Tapes

from rman's post in another thread


In the background, several troops can be heard trying to make sense of what's happening.

09:04:50Is this explosion part of that that we're lookin' at now on TV?Yes.Jesus And there's a possible second hijack alsoa United Airlines Two planes?Get the fuck out I think this is a damn input, to be honest.PLAY | STOP

The last line"I think this is a damn input"is a reference to the exercise, meaning a simulations input. It's either gallows humor or wishful thinking. From the tape, it's hard to tell.


old article if you still don't understand
Wargames Were Cover For the Operational Execution of 9/11
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 01:27 AM
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19. It's called confusion.
Yes, there was a simulation scheduled that day. It happens.
But this kook wants to turn the simulation which was scheduled into a wild conspiracy for which there is not one shred of evidence.

One has to look at all the information available, and not draw conclusions from select facts. Yes, the officers were talking about "input" and "real world" vs "simulation" and stuff like that. But that's precisely what would happen if there were exercises. This guy crowbars clips from individual messages out of their context and turns them into something fantastic, and something equally unreal. Listening to the whole tape one comes up with an entirely different conclusion.

The scandal here is not that the government themselves flew airliners (or god only knows what this nutcase thinks flew) into those buildings, it's that the system broke down severely that day. From the top (Chimp) to the bottom (FAA), the country was unable to handle the highjacking of four planes. That's the scandal and it's big enough to bring down this whole crowd of incompetent asshats.

Stick with that and we have these Repugs. Shoot for the lunatic ravings of a paranoid and we miss the target.
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Sven77 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 05:03 AM
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20. you are blind, evidence is clear
Coincidence that the government was running drills of hijacking jets and crashing them into the World Trade Center and Pentagon ? The evidence is all around, you just refuse to believe it. Time and time again the government was involved with the terrorists, running a drill the same time as the attack, and tried to cover it up. Look at the tapes >
"When they told me there was a hijack, my first reaction was 'Somebody started the exercise early,'" Nasypany later told me. The day's exercise was designed to run a range of scenarios, including a "traditional" simulated hijack in which politically motivated perpetrators commandeer an aircraft, land on a Cuba-like island, and seek asylum. "I actually said out loud, 'The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour,'" Nasypany recalled.

the best way to explain this>>>
The exercise fulfils several different goals. It acts as a cover for the small compartamentalized government terrorists to carry out their operation without the larger security services becoming aware of what they're doing, and, more importantly, if they get caught during the attack or after with any incriminating evidence they can just claim that they were just taking part in the exercise.
>>>>they did the same thing with the london bombing.

Tarpley thinks the Pentagon was hit by a unmanned Global Hawk.

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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:33 AM
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23. Name one piece of evidence
* that nullifies the thousands of people who witnessed Flight 11 crashing into the WTC 1.
* that nullifies the millions of people who witnessed Flight 175 crashing into WTC 2
* that nullifies the hundreds of people who witnessed Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon
* that nullifies the eye-witness accounts of the hundreds of on-scene disaster workers who were not government agents, but just people like you and me--firefighters, police, independent (not government) investigators, people from our neighborhoods.

Name one shred of evidence that substantiates this guy's lunatic ravings and nullifies what we already know to be true about the events of 9/11.

In your post you are cherry picking data. You cannot just rip words off those tapes out of context. It makes no sense at all to do that. In context, "The hijack's not supposed to be for another hour," means nothing more than "the simulated hijack is not supposed to be for another hour." Interpreting it any other way is lunacy.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 11:51 PM
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14. The absolute best interview - Malloy & Tarpley
This guy Web Tarpley is just awesome.

He is right - we need to expose the 911 MIHOP

It humbles me to know that I am just an ant on Earth. But when all ants rise up - we kill the grasshoppers.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 05:32 AM
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21. Yeah, I heart Webster Tarpley, eom
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 05:33 AM by mirandapriestly
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 06:03 AM
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22. DOWNLOAD at link.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 02:08 PM
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Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 02:12 PM by seemslikeadream


Able Danger is a Pandora's Box that will blow up in the RW's face.
Re-open the 9/11 investigation? BRING IT ON! Here's why:

So the responsibility for stopping DIA program Able Danger, which had Identified Atta and 3 other hijackers and linked them to 56 other al-Queda terrorists overseas, has been laid at the feet of Bill Clinton--except he and Richard Clarke were never told about it at all.

That's right. Bill Clinton was never told about Able Danger and the ID of Atta because Richard Clarke was never told about AD. How do I know? He never wrote about it in his book, nor did he testify about it's existence before the 9-11 Commission!

You see Richard Clarke was known for being obsessed with Osama Bin Laden and HE was the guy the neo-con moles did not want to find out about Atta and the gang. Schoomaker and the neo-cons knew telling the FBI would inform Clarke and then Mr. Laser Beam himself, President of the United State William Jefferson Clinton, would have gotten involved--and the Pearl Harbor-type attack would never take place (the neo-cons talked about the need for a Pearl Harbor-type attack before the PNAC Plan would be accepted by the American people--so when one presented itself, they let it happen).

General Pete Schoomaker, who were later heavily rewarded by the neo-cons in the Bush Administration, blocked the upward motion of the DIA information by having Shaffer and Philpott meet with Pentagon lawyers opinions--lawyers who were rubberstamping ridiculous legal opinions to carry out the neo-con plan. These certain people were neo-cons in the Clinton Administration, covertly carrying out the PNAC plan to let a Pearl Harbor-type attack occur so Iraq and 6 other countries could be invaded.





DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.


Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking

Able Danger: Short Time-line

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?

Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005

Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing

Condi in Middle of Able Danger Cover Up"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger will shake the country to its roots."


If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Spans Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? Thats the big question right now, we have to ask that. I dont know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, Im a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger. Thats what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, Im talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?

Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.

Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader

Specter Wants Answers About 'Able Danger'

NYT/Reuters: Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist

NOW - ON CAPITOL HILL - Able Danger Inquiry CSPAN3 9:30am et

Able Danger ties Condi Rice to Chinese espionage! (really!)

VIDEO-the Senate Judicial Committee ABLE DANGER saga ?

Official: (Curt Weldon) Attack on Cole foreseen (ABLE DANGER)

New 9/11 Timeline update, with new Able Danger page ?

Weldon seeks Defense testimony on al-Qaida

Weldon rips 9/11 commission over intelligence failures

General gave OK for Able Danger (confirms al-Qaida mission prior to 9/11)
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